AjiereTuwo:

Its funny how Igbos came here to claim Ijaw land and ended up showing they dont even know their own origin, what do you think owu means, and owu ogbo, imo and abia state have Ijaw influences, dey even do the Iria ceremony, the question now is since the modus operandi of these ipob ppl is to claim anyplace without evidence, why cant the Ijaws claim Ndoki, azumini, abriba, ohambele, the igalla claim anioma, the benin claim onitsha, ibibio should claim arochukwu et al, Igbos should learn their history before talking others own,
Udmaster, eastlink, and the rest of the ipob crew

AjiereTuwo:



If Oyigbo were an Igbo lga, that has an "Igbo" king ruling over "Igbo" people, what is the need for another eze, or do you have an eze ndigbo of onitsha ?

AjiereTuwo:
Firstly I would like to commend ChinenyeN for her unbiased analysis, truly a tribe shouldnt be judged by its bad elements even though those elements are in the majority
1) the Ibani people of Opobo and Bonny are Ijaws all aspects from there leadership(amanyanabo), culture, naming traditions, religion.
2) Their main language is Ibani egere one of the purest Ijaw dialect.
3) the people of azumini, abriba, ohambele et al have had trading relationships with the Ibani and as an a result d culture has become mixed

Eastfield1:

Keep Dreaming About Opobo.
Opobo Is a no go area for U Ijaws.
And if Nigeria Eva divide Opobo ois Our Navy Base.
This may be d last tym i will Tell U this.
We the People of AmaIgbo have Already made a meeting about it n theres no going back

AjiereTuwo:

http://riversstate.net.ng/people-and-culture/ that magnus abe site you quoted was hacked by ipob and is not a legit source

jayrule:

You're funny, you are the one they employed to hack it!

All the info on the website are genuine...

AjiereTuwo:

Lol, the people of amaigbo have taken a decision for Ibani people , you are even more stupid than I thought, who did you discuss that one with? The amanyanabo of Opobo? u hv come again with your war speech, the over 30k igbo soldiers that died are not enough for, If you want war carry it to your village and leave the ppl of Niger delta out of it

Eastfield1:

ppl of Niger delta?
lols.
we shall see
keep screaming amayanabo.
U will see that it wont save u as Reason will always stand legal against name

AjiereTuwo:

The Amanyanabo of Opubo ama King Dandeson Douglas Jaja, is an authority in the Niger Delta , and hes part of an elite group of mornachs recognized by the queen pre-independence, so don't worry I understand wer you are coming from, you come from a dynasty of never do wells, heck who even knows amaigbo talkless of your king without a google search, so you want to associate with greatness, ur father must be a nwa osu, only osu ppl reason like you

Eastfield1:

console urself.
its allowed

Eastfield1:

console urself.
its allowed

jayrule:


Do you have to keep arguing with a dimwit?
When the signatures are godly written.
Those in self denial knows where their loyalty lies.

People like Amaechi said it on National Telly that he is Igbo.
Nyesom Woke also made it clear that he will go to war with them like Ojukwu.

Even Dakuku Peterside who is from Opobo made a statement on National Telly about his Igboness. The self denial is all political. When the time comes, Ijaw land will be reduced to a minute faction in Bayelsa state.

AjiereTuwo:

Dey deceive yourself dakuku peterside don turn igbo name because of nairaland, I dey laf una, i'm sure goodluck Jonathan is an igbo too , we go continue to use and dump una, get that tru ur thick osu skull. As for ur useless biafra, i will liv dat to our amiable Governor Nyesom Wike to kill of your ipob members and honour great men like Yakubu Gowon

jayrule:


Lol. See delusions. You mumu.

Jonathan never said anything relative to being Igbo so he can never be quoted!
And his land where is from has nothing relative with Igbos!

Get that into your thick skull.

Dakuku peter on his own side made reference to his Igboness during a political campaign. And we all know where he is from (Opobo).

Nyesom Wike is a bonafide Igbo man as Amaechi said about himself. I Dont have to argue with you on these two.

As I said earlier, when the time comes, Ijaw land and their delusional expansionist agenda will be reduced to a minute faction in Bayelsa



And goat, e be like say u blind small, did I ever mention that Dakuku is an Igbo name?
I'm only making a sharp statement to pierce that bigotic and Igbophobic mind of yours, Numbskull. And the statement is that Dakuku Peterside claimed Igbo on National Telly! Period!

We all know why Ikwerre keeps ruling in Rivers state! And forever will!

Dakuku wan attach to Igbo by force (Tho he is a mudblood Igbo man! Not a blue blood like Amaechi and Nyesom Woke).

And point of correction, you are OSU! And I can prove it to you that you are. Ignoramus!

You said you will live to see Wike kill Biafrans and give praise to Yakubu Gowon
Well, he already gave praise to Ojukwu through the statement he made. Ojukwu is a god! Ojukwu bu odogun! Owu diken!

Chiwude:
Owu (Ooo high high, ghu low low) is what its known in my place, the 'w' consonant is low in stress and replaced with a gh. The Ogbo at the suffix differentiates that done by the Ijaws from ours. Owu-Ogbo may be Ijaw, but Owu is ours. However they may be certain degree of difference in how both celebrate their festivals. Hope you concur!

ChinenyeN:
Marcelini, I'm going to tell you the same thing I told Chiwude. That is not how cultural diffusion works. You cannot place constraints on cultural diffusion. It doesn't work like that. Cultural diffusion only requires one thing to happen, that a cultural aspect, idea or practice is adopted from one community to the next. Once that adoption occurs, you have cultural diffusion. How that adoption took place is a separate matter.

Proximity does not define the limits of cultural diffusion. Interaction defines the limits of cultural diffusion, and the interaction need not be direct. For instance, southern Igbo-speaking communities wearing red "cheiftaincy" cap, despite having no direct interaction with Igala who introduced the cap to Nsukka, is an example of cultural diffusion.

Also, if you attempt to place proximity constraints on diffusion from Ijaw to the Imo hinterland, then you should logically place constraints going the opposite direction (from Imo hinterland to Ijaw). Meaning that you and Chiwude are in fact claiming the Ijaw to have learned owu second-hand from southern Igbo-speaking communities. But here's the problem... all the southern Igbo-speaking communities with historical Ijaw interaction credit the Ijaw with the introduction of owu. They do not credit the Isu, Oru East, Njaba, mbaitolu areas, nor do they credit themselves. This means that there is no basis with which to credit "Igbo".

The cultural context presented above invalidates the assertion by you and Chiwude that the Ijaw learned owu from the Igbo. To continue stating such in the face of available, contradictory evidence makes you obstinate to the true historical context of southern Nigeria and it also shows that you know little to nothing about the historical interactions between southern Igbo-speaking communities and their Ijaw-speaking counterparts.

This is one of my main issues with Igbo people. You all are just as bad as the Ijaw when it comes to this. The only difference is that you talk out of ignorance while Ijaw purposefully reauthors the entire story.

Igboid:
I can't believe that ChinenyeN managed to keep her non Igbo origin hidden this long.
Even on this thread, you can see her pandering to Ijaws revisionist opinions while claiming neutral.
She was raising all the red flags of of an impostor even then.

Igboid:
I can't believe that ChinenyeN managed to keep her non Igbo origin hidden this long.
Even on this thread, you can see her pandering to Ijaws revisionist opinions while claiming neutral.
She was raising all the red flags of of an impostor even then.

Eastlink:
Glad you could see. When I told you guys that Ijaws began this renewed anti-Igbo divisive battle in early 2000's you thought I was lieing.

ChinenyeN:



Feel free to have your Igbo propagandist feathers as ruffled as you like over my identity and ethnic affiliations, but I’m obviously a proud Ngwa, Alayi and Igbo man, and I’ve come to accept that you all are just simply obsessed with me. It’s a little bit of an unhealthy obsession that you all have, but that’s okay. You’re simply my fans, and I’ll take that for what it is. So don’t worry, I’m not going anywhere. I will always bless my fans with more of me to come.

Eastlink:
An old Leopard can never hide it's spot. So how did you do it Mr Ijaw?
For long you fooled a lot of Igbos (except me), because the signs were there.

ChinenyeN:
Alright. Let me come and finish addressing the rest of your post.

#1. While it is true that Ndoki villages have ancestral relations with other Igbo-speaking culture groups, the existence of Ijaw elements in Ndoki as well as historical relations with Ijaw cannot be denied. As a case in point, one of the Ndoki village groups has some Ijaw-derived place names. Even more so the name "Ndoki" is a name adopted from an Ijaw expression. However, you are correct. Ndoki are not Ijaw in diaspora.

#2. Opara Ndoli was neither a king nor a founder. Opara Ndoli was simply an Opara (eldest male member). As was the culture of the people, Ndoli, being an Opara, held sacred authority and served as a custodian of the community. It was his responsibility to interpret the communal laws, settle disputes and officiate any of the ceremonies, rights and rituals of the people. Currently, oral traditions state that Opara Ndoli never made it to the final destination. He died at the last sojourn. Actual kingship did not manifest in Bonny until the time of Asimini. It was during their interaction with the Portuguese that Asimini effectively became the first king of Bonny. Or, perhaps it is better stated that the shift towards monarchy began at this point, and Bonny's history as a kingdom starts here.

#3. I already covered that earlier.

Your item #4 is duplicated (you have two #4s). So I will simply answer as such:

#4.1 No problem here. The information is correct.

#4.2 Today's Ibani music is undoubtedly Ijaw. At the very least, Ibani music is dominated by Ijaw cultural themes, from the style of play to the instruments used. Bonny's current musical culture is heavily connected with the canoe house system that was introduced some time later in Bonny history. In fact, one might be able to say that the music culture is as a result of the canoe house system. However, details about the music culture prior to the introduction of the canoe house system are scant and not enough to develop an idea of what music was like in Bonny's earliest days. Nwutam was also introduced later in Bonny history. By the time it was introduced, in fact, the canoe house system was already firmly in place. Hence why the Ibani Nwutam performance is rather distinct, while in the Ngwa-Ndoki axis, Nwutam is just a masquerade. Owuogbo is not an Igbo festival. Its origin is Ijaw. The owu-named performances you see in Abia and Imo are as a result of cultural diffusion.

#5. Bonny and Opobo are both Ijaw-speaking and Igbo-speaking populations (Opobo leans more heavily toward the Igbo-speaking side).

#6. I already addressed that.

#5 (you repeated your numbering again) This is actually not a lie. It's a truthful statement. BUT... it does not do much to further your premise since Ibani is just as much connected to Igbo as it is to Ijaw.

Eastlandx:
How no one saw all this Red flags littered her back then Surprise me.

ChinenyeN:

I maala whne agu? O nu m la i maa ta o bu la nkohnu ndi ikohnu gh. Nsogbu adighi. O ga-adiri Igbo na mma, but you, maybe not so much.

Eastlandx:
Continue FOOLING YOURSELF.

ChinenyeN:

Kutu jii. Otherwise, o ga-adi ka i na-ekwu maka onwe gi. O bughi m.

Eastlandx:

Childish & Typical,you think if you continue regurgitating that adulterated ngwa dialet that may be one day we will accept that you are igbo.
If you Ijaws failed woafully at your repeated lies becoming the truth as regards bonny & Opobo is it at this one you will succeed?
Learner.