mnwankwo:
@OP. Spirituality is the unfolding of our real self, the living essence in us. Such unfolding leads to self realization and a recognition of who we are, our place in the cosmos and out inter-connectedness with all that exists. Buried in our essence is the unimaginable talent to love without reservation. Spirituality permits this love to unfold, transform it from a talent into ability and then overwhelms us and our near and far environments. This love links us to the invisible power that pulsates in the Universe, the last condensations of this power, you plataeo normally refer to as energies. In the course of this spiritual evolution, the individual will at some point come to the recognition of the source of the power that pulsates in the Universe. Now, giving and receiving love is the basis of spirituality and without it, their is no life, no motion and all is dead. Connection with the vibration of Love (conscious or unconscious to the human brain) is the source and driver of all lasting progress. There is no person that has not at one time or another experienced genuine love. In those moments, your are linked with the the living power that created and maintains all creations and at that moment you can tap into this power and exposed to "infinite" possibilities of progress in all spheres, from simple things as a spontaneous charming smile to your neighbor to the most astonishing scientific invention. The so called Eureka moments on which many scientific inventions spring from, I will argue are not because the inventor has become creative, rather he/she spontaneously tapped from the power of "LOVE". Genuine love is an inherent manifestation of true spirituality. Where there is no love, their is no life, no progress, no motion but a dead, motionless mass of creatures and creations. Stay blessed.

Sir, so delighted to see you here again.

DeepSight:


A car is visible just as a body is visible. A car carries a person in the same way as a body carries a person. The person is invisible to the physical eye.

We are all invisible, only rarely does the inner spirit and its inner eye or self genuinely see another person.

A car carries a person either in the drivers' seat or one of the passenger seats, or if you like in the boot.

Which part of the human body carries a person?

PastorAIO:
Oga Mark! I hail o! Long time.

Guess What? I found a copy of In The Light Of Truth. I've started reading it. But small small. I'm reading so many other book as well at present.

I found a metaphor I liked. About a tree at the foot of the mountain of spirituality, and some people have climbed that tree (false religions) and believe that they are advancing spiritually but they are totally unaware of the mountain. Until they fall from the tree before they can realise their error and begin the proper ascent of the mountain.

Recently on NL my motive has been to give those trees a good shake, or even if possible to chop the entire tree down. Lol. For this reason many have concluded that I'm an atheist, but I don't care. I even enjoy it.

Anyway, I just dey hail you.

Hello Pastor. It is always a joy to read from you. I hail you too. Stay blessed.

LoJ:

And here comes the Master Mnwankwo. So happy to read from you!!!

Hi LOJ. I am also happy to read from you. Stay blessed.

DeepSight:


Sir, so delighted to see you here again.

Hello Deepsight. Great to read from you. Stay blessed.

mnwankwo:
@OP. Spirituality is the unfolding of our real self, the living essence in us. Such unfolding leads to self realization and a recognition of who we are, our place in the cosmos and out inter-connectedness with all that exists. Buried in our essence is the unimaginable talent to love without reservation. Spirituality permits this love to unfold, transform it from a talent into ability and then overwhelms us and our near and far environments. This love links us to the invisible power that pulsates in the Universe, the last condensations of this power, you plataeo normally refer to as energies. In the course of this spiritual evolution, the individual will at some point come to the recognition of the source of the power that pulsates in the Universe. Now, giving and receiving love is the basis of spirituality and without it, their is no life, no motion and all is dead. Connection with the vibration of Love (conscious or unconscious to the human brain) is the source and driver of all lasting progress. There is no person that has not at one time or another experienced genuine love. In those moments, your are linked with the the living power that created and maintains all creations and at that moment you can tap into this power and exposed to "infinite" possibilities of progress in all spheres, from simple things as a spontaneous charming smile to your neighbor to the most astonishing scientific invention. The so called Eureka moments on which many scientific inventions spring from, I will argue are not because the inventor has become creative, rather he/she spontaneously tapped from the power of "LOVE". Genuine love is an inherent manifestation of true spirituality. Where there is no love, their is no life, no progress, no motion but a dead, motionless mass of creatures and creations. Stay blessed.

A pleasure, as always, to read from you.

But, as heartwarming and romantic as the above looks and sounds, isn't it nothing more than good poetry ?

Yes, I do agree that we all experience and battle with different emotional states, from joy and ecstacy to sadness and madness.

What are the tangible benefits of the pursuit of the spiritual?
What does a spiritually enlightened person do for his society besides , perhaps founding a new religion , and adding to the confusion ?

Is the pursuit of scientific truth not the better arbiter of reality by encouraging better, more reliable understanding of reality ?

Which helps in giving us a longer, more useful life, -spiritual diagnosis( if there is such a standard) or medical diagnosis ?

Other than his after-death insurance policy, what good, for example, is a spiritually enlightened person in a cesspool of corruption, hate and violence such as we live currently in ?

My opinion is that the fact that spirituality has no standard upon which it can be measured, makes it superfluous and redundant to an evolving humanity.

PastorAIO:


A car carries a person either in the drivers' seat or one of the passenger seats, or if you like in the boot.

Which part of the human body carries a person?

Actually the Pineal Gland or the 'Spiritual eye' aka Tisra til is 'refered' to as the Seat of Soul. It is a spot between and a little above the two eyebrows.

If you do an MRI for someone purportedly having their 'spiritual eye' open, you find extra-ordinary brain activity than the average person. Like Einstein.

This is cos some parts of the body literally corresponds to 'power houses' of Soul. Develop the seat of soul and some will call you an Angel.

chieveboy:




If you do an MRI for someone purportedly having their 'spiritual eye' open, you find extra-ordinary brain activity than the average person. Like Einstein.

Can you kindly give us a reference or links to where this study or experiment was performed or observed ?

plaetton:


Can you kindly give us a reference or links to where this study or experiment was performed or observed ?

I hope he doesn't disappoint.

plaetton:


Can you kindly give us a reference or links to where this study or experiment was performed or observed ?

My brother, this question of yours and that of sonofluc1fer...I just hope I didn't walk into a den of
argumentative naysayers. Cos to me I assumed you would have figured out logically that concentrated mental activity in relation to an object be it part of your body or otherwise creates...well: abilities like a footballer. Also this 'ability' was an aftermath of an actual growth of certain part of the brain, so why didn't you guys figure that the Before an After MRI scan result and IQ of that person wouldn't be the same? I guess you haven't really understood the concept of 'spiritual' and 'relativity' Meanwhile read:

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/06/what-happens-to-brains-during-spiritual-experiences/361882/

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2002/04/meditation-dramatically-changes-body-temperatures/

On your own, I think you could research how science discovered 'unaccounted' energy in the human body. Further there is th case of a guy who developed mathematical skills after an accident:

http://www.livescience.com/45349-brain-injury-turns-man-into-math-genius.html

...in addition: if you think those guys with 'extra ordinary' brain activity from the MRI tests are the bomb, be rest assured that they are actually the 'learners' compared to others who won't just come out to be tested... Albert Einstein is a joke compared to them.

chieveboy:


http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/06/what-happens-to-brains-during-spiritual-experiences/361882/
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2002/04/meditation-dramatically-changes-body-temperatures/

Thanks. Will go through them.

chieveboy:

Further there is th case of a guy who developed mathematical skills after an accident:

http://www.livescience.com/45349-brain-injury-turns-man-into-math-genius.html

...in addition: if you think those guys with 'extra ordinary' brain activity from the MRI tests are the bomb, be rest assured that they are actually the 'learners' compared to others who won't just come out to be tested... Albert Einstein is a joke compared to them.

baba...its called savant syndrome

PastorAIO:


A car carries a person either in the drivers' seat or one of the passenger seats, or if you like in the boot.

Which part of the human body carries a person?

Good question. I have asked this exact same question several times - and in at least one case I recall asking this same question, and some people were irritated at it -

https://www.nairaland.com/1565324/person

The human person is very lightly attached through its soul to its mind: which mind is lightly attached to its physical brain - this physical brain is the transponder if you like, which enables the physical body to move about and perceive in the physical world: which physical world, is of course, a temporary illusion.

chieveboy:


Actually the Pineal Gland or the 'Spiritual eye' aka Tisra til is 'refered' to as the Seat of Soul. It is a spot between and a little above the two eyebrows.

If you do an MRI for someone purportedly having their 'spiritual eye' open, you find extra-ordinary brain activity than the average person. Like Einstein.

This is cos some parts of the body literally corresponds to 'power houses' of Soul. Develop the seat of soul and some will call you an Angel.

I was going to mention this. However I don't think its just the pineal gland. I cant tell though.
There is however an interesting old Egyptian drawing showing the pineal gland as the all seeing eye.

Anyone who has ever had an out-of-body experience will understand this a little more aptly.
Many people tend to dwell in the world whereas a thinker dwells mostly in the recesses of the mind.

plaetton:


My opinion is that the fact that spirituality has no standard upon which it can be measured, makes it superfluous and redundant to an evolving humanity.

And a sorry and sad low minded opinion it is.

DeepSight:


And a sorry and sad low minded opinion it is.

History is on my side.

plaetton:

A pleasure, as always, to read from you.

But, as heartwarming and romantic as the above looks and sounds, isn't it nothing more than good poetry ?

Yes, I do agree that we all experience and battle with different emotional states, from joy and ecstacy to sadness and madness.

What are the tangible benefits of the pursuit of the spiritual?
What does a spiritually enlightened person do for his society besides , perhaps founding a new religion , and adding to the confusion ?

Is the pursuit of scientific truth not the better arbiter of reality by encouraging better, more reliable understanding of reality ?

Which helps in giving us a longer, more useful life, -spiritual diagnosis( if there is such a standard) or medical diagnosis ?

Other than his after-death insurance policy, what good, for example, is a spiritually enlightened person in a cesspool of corruption, hate and violence such as we live currently in ?

My opinion is that the fact that spirituality has no standard upon which it can be measured, makes it superfluous and redundant to an evolving humanity.

Hello Plaetton. Thanks a lot for your response. The point I am trying to convey is that energies which you accept exists is a specie or the lowest gradation of spirit. I can explicitly say that energies are spirit particles enveloped by material cloak. Now, their is no life or reflection of life in matter without it being animated by various gradations of the spirit including energies (spirit particles). The absence of motion which we refer to as death is indeed the separation of the animating spirit (various gradations of it) from the material envelope. A dead man does not pursue scientific knowledge or produce arts or design buildings. What I am saying is that all activities of man including scientific pursuit and discovery is the direct or indirect work of the spirit.

Both spiritual diagnosis and medical diagnosis are activities of the spirit. One is making use of the spiritual laws enveloped by physical substances (scientific), the other make use of the same spiritual laws that are enveloped by non-physical substance. Both are not mutually exclusive but can work together in solving and finding answers to the so-called mysteries of life. There are of course charlatans in both fields of endeavor but that is not enough to dismiss the spiritual part of this endeavor as non-existent.

A spiritually enlightened person spreads the fruit of the spirit including love, humility, compassion, honesty, wisdom, insight, creativity, innovation, faithfulness, purity, forgiveness etc. You can accurately measure your stand spiritually by how much selfless love you radiate to all creatures and creations. Hate, bitterness, violence and all the other evils are not the fruit of the spirit and are absolutely incompatible with the nature and works of a spiritually enlightened person. Do not conflate religious vigor with spiritual enlightenment.

Science which you accept, is carried out by Spirits in physical bodies. A dead person ( a body without a Spirit) cannot do science. It is dead and will soon decay because only the Spirit can form and maintain the physical body. It is pure reductionism in my opinion to state that since spiritual things cannot be observed and investigated with material senses and instruments, then the spiritual does not exist. I am sure you will not say that viruses do not exist because you cannot see them with your naked eyes. Science uses physical senses, sensors and instrument but the spiritual uses spiritual faculties. Love, Love and love, then, sooner rather than later the spiritual faculties which appear to be silent at the moment will roar into life and the spiritual environments, planes, and realms will become more real than the physical universes. Then the interconnections of all that exists in both the spiritual and physical worlds will be crystal clear. Stay blessed.

plaetton:


History is on my side.

It is not.

You conflate spirituality with religion.

mnwankwo:


Hello Plaetton. Thanks a lot for your response. The point I am trying to convey is that energies which you accept exists is a specie or the lowest gradation of spirit. I can explicitly say that energies are spirit particles enveloped by material cloak. Now, their is no life or reflection of life in matter without it being animated by various gradations of the spirit including energies (spirit particles). The absence of motion which we refer to as death is indeed the separation of the animating spirit (various gradations of it) from the material envelope. A dead man does not pursue scientific knowledge or produce arts or design buildings. What I am saying is that all activities of man including scientific pursuit and discovery is the direct or indirect work of the spirit.

Both spiritual diagnosis and medical diagnosis are activities of the spirit. One is making use of the spiritual laws enveloped by physical substances (scientific), the other make use of the same spiritual laws that are enveloped by non-physical substance. Both are not mutually exclusive but can work together in solving and finding answers to the so-called mysteries of life. There are of course charlatans in both fields of endeavor but that is not enough to dismiss the spiritual part of this endeavor as non-existent.

A spiritually enlightened person spreads the fruit of the spirit including love, humility, compassion, honesty, wisdom, insight, creativity, innovation, faithfulness, purity, forgiveness etc. You can accurately measure your stand spiritually by how much selfless love you radiate to all creatures and creations. Hate, bitterness, violence and all the other evils are not the fruit of the spirit and are absolutely incompatible with the nature and works of a spiritually enlightened person. Do not conflate religious vigor with spiritual enlightenment.

Science which you accept, is carried out by Spirits in physical bodies. A dead person ( a body without a Spirit) cannot do science. It is dead and will soon decay because only the Spirit can form and maintain the physical body. It is pure reductionism in my opinion to state that since spiritual things cannot be observed and investigated with material senses and instruments, then the spiritual does not exist. I am sure you will not say that viruses do not exist because you cannot see them with your naked eyes. Science uses physical senses, sensors and instrument but the spiritual uses spiritual faculties. Love, Love and love, then, sooner rather than later the spiritual faculties which appear to be silent at the moment will roar into life and the spiritual environments, planes, and realms will become more real than the physical universes. Then the interconnections of all that exists in both the spiritual and physical worlds will be crystal clear. Stay blessed.

Awesome ! Eloquent, as always.

But , what about history ?

What can we extract from history about the pursuit, the human obsession with " the spiritual " ?

DeepSight:


It is not.

You conflate spirituality with religion.

Ok then.
From a historical perspective, kindly elaborate on the differences between the two.

mnwankwo:


Hello Plaetton. Thanks a lot for your response. The point I am trying to convey is that energies which you accept exists is a specie or the lowest gradation of spirit. I can explicitly say that energies are spirit particles enveloped by material cloak. Now, their is no life or reflection of life in matter without it being animated by various gradations of the spirit including energies (spirit particles). The absence of motion which we refer to as death is indeed the separation of the animating spirit (various gradations of it) from the material envelope. A dead man does not pursue scientific knowledge or produce arts or design buildings. What I am saying is that all activities of man including scientific pursuit and discovery is the direct or indirect work of the spirit.
....

Beautiful, Deep.

DeepSight:


Good question. I have asked this exact same question several times - and in at least one case I recall asking this same question, and some people were irritated at it -

https://www.nairaland.com/1565324/person

The human person is very lightly attached through its soul to its mind: which mind is lightly attached to its physical brain - this physical brain is the transponder if you like, which enables the physical body to move about and perceive in the physical world: which physical world, is of course, a temporary illusion.

Oga, I didn't ask you the quality of the question, whether it was a good question or not, neither did I ask you if you'd asked the question before.

I asked in direct response to your claim that just as a car carries a person so does a body carry a person.

Your other vague wishy washy notion of being lightly attached to some wishy washy thing such as mind or soul or whatever does not tally with your definite statement that

"A car carries a person in the same way as a body carries a person."

DeepSight:


A car is visible just as a body is visible. A car carries a person in the same way as a body carries a person. The person is invisible to the physical eye.

We are all invisible, only rarely does the inner spirit and its inner eye or self genuinely see another person.

A person in a car is not 'lightly attached' to the car.

plaetton:

Ok then.
From a historical perspective, kindly elaborate on the differences between the two.

Jesus vs Pharisees.

Spirituality is not religion: go and repeat this 1000 times until you absorb it sire.

Organized religion is simply establishment politics - finito.

It has very little to do with spirituality in most instances.

PastorAIO:


Oga, I didn't ask you the quality of the question, whether it was a good question or not, neither did I ask you if you'd asked the question before.

I asked in direct response to your claim that just as a car carries a person so does a body carry a person.

Your other vague wishy washy notion of being lightly attached to some wishy washy thing such as mind or soul or whatever does not tally with your definite statement that

"A car carries a person in the same way as a body carries a person."



A person in a car is not 'lightly attached' to the car.

A person is indeed very lightly attached a a car. Only the body rides in it really.

The rest of what you wrote simply shows that you have not improved in your thinking over the last few years. Enjoy yourself.

If you say that a soul or mind is a wishy washy thing, that is your cup of tea: regardless how sadly it contradicts your own oft voiced notions. I have told you often that you are a futile mind, you engage in and rest in futility: and apparently this has not changed.

Try to ensure your existence is not futile as well.

PastorAIO:


Oga, I didn't ask you the quality of the question, whether it was a good question or not, neither did I ask you if you'd asked the question before.

I asked in direct response to your claim that just as a car carries a person so does a body carry a person.

Your other vague wishy washy notion of being lightly attached to some wishy washy thing such as mind or soul or whatever does not tally with your definite statement that

"A car carries a person in the same way as a body carries a person."





A person in a car is not 'lightly attached' to the car.

Ah, I see you are trying to get deepsight not to whargabl and woo-woo with nonsensical word salads

JackBizzle:



Ah, I see you are trying to get deepsight not to whargabl and woo-woo with nonsensical word salads

DeepSight:


Jesus vs Pharisees.

Spirituality is not religion: go and repeat this 1000 times until you absorb it sire.

Organized religion is simply establishment politics - finito.

It has very little to do with spirituality in most instances.

You are being evasive, sire.

Let me put it in another way.
Is there a difference between religion and Faith ?

Trying to separate religion and spirituality is like trying to separate Faith from religion.

DeepSight:


A person is indeed very lightly attached a a car. Only the body rides in it really.

The rest of what you wrote simply shows that you have not improved in your thinking over the last few years. Enjoy yourself.

plaetton:

You are being evasive, sire.

Let me put it in another way.
Is there a difference between religion and Faith ?

Trying to separate religion and spirituality is like trying to separate Faith from religion.

It's the same tactics as trying to separate a bad Christian from Christianity.

plaetton:

You are being evasive, sire.

Let me put it in another way.
Is there a difference between religion and Faith ?

Trying to separate religion and spirituality is like trying to separate Faith from religion.

Absolutely wrong sire.

There is indeed a difference between religion and faith. Many adhere to a religion and have no faith. Many have faith and adhere to no religion. I have faith and I do not adhere to any religion. Indeed, what is faith but belief and hope in something: in an idea, a person or an expectation? I have great faith in myself, I have great faith in love and I have immense faith in the grand order of all things (which many may call "the will of God" ).

In the grand scheme of things - a scintilla of which we cannot even conceive or apprehend, we are way too presumptuous to begin to judge and conclusively assess the justice of the Grand Order of things: of eras and epochs which we cannot and will never be able to conceive in the bird's eye view trajectory: we grope: worse than the blind men about an elephant: and ridiculously declare that which we know not.

Of all people: you ought to know better.

plaetton:


It's the same tactics as trying to separate a bad Christian from Christianity.

Not the same at all: see my revert above: and yet a bad Christian and Christianity are two different things.

DeepSight:


Absolutely wrong sire.

There is indeed a difference between religion and faith. Many adhere to a religion and have no faith. Many have faith and adhere to no religion. I have faith and I do not adhere to any religion. Indeed, what is faith but belief and hope in something: in an idea, a person or an expectation? I have great faith in myself, I have great faith in love and I have immense faith in the grand order of all things (which many may call "the will of God" ).

In the grand scheme of things - a scintilla of which we cannot even conceive or apprehend, we are way too presumptuous to begin to judge and conclusively assess the justice of the Grand Order of things: of eras and epochs which we cannot and will never be able to conceive in the bird's eye view trajectory: we grope: worse than the blind men about an elephant: and ridiculously declare that which we know not.

Of all people: you ought to know better.

For once, your word salad makes sense. There is truly a difference between religion and faith.