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Lennycool:
During an argument with a Nairalander he asserted that DNA code cannot come about without an intelligent mind, my answer to him was so long I decided to turn it into a new thread.
First off by following his logic we come upon an infinite regress. If DNA as complex as it is, cannot come without an intelligent mind and hence must need a creator. The question woukd then be, Who created the creator? As the creator must be more intelligent than his creation(DNA) and hence must need a creator because he too is complex. And then the queation again would be, Who created the creator's creator? and again and again till infinity, an infinty that can only be broken when you accept that something in that circle must have existed without being created and if it can exist without being created, then so can DNA(which is much simpler compared to the creators).

But taking the question at face value and without much deep logic, I want you to examine several pictures that are at the end of this post.

As beautiful and complex as those snow flakes seem those snow flakes were made without any guiding hand. Non whatsoever. I doubt that any of you can make such intricate shapes out of thin ice, but these occur naturally and ironically they start from much simpler beginnings to such complex states, evolutionist propose the same about life.
You can read more about how snowflakes are formed here

http://www.its.caltech.edu/~atomic/snowcrystals/faqs/faqs.htm

DNA coding is a natural process and is not proof of an intelligent mind. Ponder on these points.

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Are you cloudgoddess?

It is sheer folly to state that snowflakes were made without any guiding hand. Jesus did duh. This is written FYI all over scriptures.

Image123:
It is sheer folly to state that snowflakes were made without any guiding hand. Jesus did duh. This is written FYI all over scriptures.

Mmhmm are you serious?

Lennycool:
During an argument with a Nairalander he asserted that DNA code cannot come about without an intelligent mind, my answer to him was so long I decided to turn it into a new thread.
First off by following his logic we come upon an infinite regress. If DNA as complex as it is, cannot come without an intelligent mind and hence must need a creator. The question woukd then be, Who created the creator? As the creator must be more intelligent than his creation(DNA) and hence must need a creator because he too is complex. And then the queation again would be, Who created the creator's creator? and again and again till infinity, an infinty that can only be broken when you accept that something in that circle must have existed without being created and if it can exist without being created, then so can DNA(which is much simpler compared to the creators).

But taking the question at face value and without much deep logic, I want you to examine several pictures that are at the end of this post.

As beautiful and complex as those snow flakes seem those snow flakes were made without any guiding hand. Non whatsoever. I doubt that any of you can make such intricate shapes out of thin ice, but these occur naturally and ironically they start from much simpler beginnings to such complex states, evolutionist propose the same about life.
You can read more about how snowflakes are formed here

http://www.its.caltech.edu/~atomic/snowcrystals/faqs/faqs.htm

DNA coding is a natural process and is not proof of an intelligent mind. Ponder on these points.

[size=13pt]Infinite Regress OR Uncontrolled Complexity[/size]


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. They will still argue

GRIMMJOE:
. They will still argue

especially that felix guy, I swear he's stalking me, already he has gone to consult.

Lennycool:


especially that felix guy, I swear he's stalking me, already he has gone to consult.

That guy? Even if God appears before him,and give him a dirty slap.
And say: I do not exist,the clown will still argue

Ask the same question in different ways and your answer will remain the same.

This is your answer:https://www.nairaland.com/2816262/god-created-everything-created-god


Infinite regress is totally your making and yours alone.

There is something called eternal or timelessness. It is a scientific fact that TIME and space has a beginning.

Whatever or Whoever was acting before time began is timeless/eternal i.e no beginning, no end.

Its tiring repeating the same thing over and over again. Nature does not jump. Nothing exists by itself. Immense Beauty is not accidental.

Go chill out, we will continue to believe in God.

A snow flake is as good as a drop of water.

Comparing the complexity of DNA to the complexity of a snowflake is the highest form of intellectual dishonesty.

Why ?
very simple

A snowflake holds no information.
A snow flake does not communicate nor does it give any instruction nor comand
A snow flake is not a "code"
A snow flake requires no programmer

On the other hand,
DNA is a 3 billion character code
DNA gives command and gives instructions
DNA determines human, animal and even lower life form external and physiologic features

DNA is so complex that it is programmed or written by highly intelligent enzymes which in itself is regulated by DNA (Fear God!)


You may make a little sense by comparing DNA to giant codes like microsoft windows of Bill Gates or Facebook of zuckenberg and his friends.
Not comparing it with a frozen drop of water, kid.

So lets assume we never got to know of bill gates and co, somebody like you would create threads to actually argue that facebook and windows automatically evolved from biro and paper?

Shameful!

I am here to learn.

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Who or what created or predated energy?

What was the earliest/first state of energy and how did that come about?

Scholar8200:
I am here to learn.

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Who or what created or predated energy?

What was the earliest/first state of energy and how did that come about?

That is something science doesn't know or claim to know, unlike religion that will point to GOD. Just because there is no answer doesn't mean you should make one up.

Lennycool:
Mmhmm are you serious?

More serious than your teacher.

felixomor1:
A snow flake is as good as a drop of water.

Comparing the complexity of DNA to the complexity of a snowflake is the highest form of intellectual dishonesty.

Why ?
very simple

A snowflake holds no information.
A snow flake does not communicate nor does it give any instruction nor comand
A snow flake is not a "code"
A snow flake requires no programmer

On the other hand,
DNA is a 3 billion character code
DNA gives command and gives instructions
DNA determines human, animal and even lower life form external and physiologic features

DNA is so complex that it is programmed or written by highly intelligent enzymes which in itself is regulated by DNA (Fear God!)


You may make a little sense by comparing DNA to giant codes like microsoft windows of Bill Gates or Facebook of zuckenberg and his friends.
Not comparing it with a frozen drop of water, kid.

So lets assume we never got to know of bill gates and co, somebody like you would create threads to actually argue that facebook and windows automatically evolved from biro and paper?

Shameful!

lol. lennycool just said that there's no answer. Not cool at all.

felixomor1:
A snow flake is as good as a drop of water.

Comparing the complexity of DNA to the complexity of a snowflake is the highest form of intellectual dishonesty.

Why ?
very simple

A snowflake holds no information.
A snow flake does not communicate nor does it give any instruction nor comand
A snow flake is not a "code"
A snow flake requires no programmer

On the other hand,
DNA is a 3 billion character code
DNA gives command and gives instructions
DNA determines human, animal and even lower life form external and physiologic features

DNA is so complex that it is programmed or written by highly intelligent enzymes which in itself is regulated by DNA (Fear God!)


You may make a little sense by comparing DNA to giant codes like microsoft windows of Bill Gates or Facebook of zuckenberg and his friends.
Not comparing it with a frozen drop of water, kid.

So lets assume we never got to know of bill gates and co, somebody like you would create threads to actually argue that facebook and windows automatically evolved from biro and paper?

Shameful!

You have come again with your badly put arguments, do you know that no two snowflakes are ever alike, the tiniest shift in win or temperature creates entirely new patterns. Snow flakes besides being so intricate are reproduced billions of times each year with no intelligence behind it. It forms and intricate hexagonal pattern and is packed with billions of water molecules. Beautiful without intelligence.

winner01:
Ask the same question in different ways and your answer will remain the same.

This is your answer:https://www.nairaland.com/2816262/god-created-everything-created-god


Infinite regress is totally your making and yours alone.

There is something called eternal or timelessness. It is a scientific fact that TIME and space has a beginning.

Whatever or Whoever was acting before time began is timeless/eternal i.e no beginning, no end.

Its tiring repeating the same thing over and over again. Nature does not jump. Nothing exists by itself. Immense Beauty is not accidental.

Go chill out, we will continue to believe in God.

If time hadn't began then how was the creator acting, as he too must not exist. Infinite regress?

Image123:

lol. lennycool just said that there's no answer. Not cool at all.

And saying an intelligent creator who led a bunch of desert tribe people to conquer other desert tribe people is the cause. Is cool?

Lennycool:

You have come again with your badly put arguments, do you know that no two snowflakes are ever alike, the tiniest shift in win or temperature creates entirely new patterns. Snow flakes besides being so intricate are reproduced billions of times each year with no intelligence behind it. It forms and intricate hexagonal pattern and is packed with billions of water molecules. Beautiful without intelligence.

Hehehe.
Thats very simple, because there are trillions and higher amount of dust particles in the air and also all particles in the atmosphere vary from each other.

By thw way, Why not compare DNA to a snow man?
Why snow flake?
Afterall DNa creates something externally similar to snow man. Just that its superior.

Likewise, have u seen any 2 different snowmen that are exactly the same?

Tell me this snow man was created by "forces of nature"?

Lame argument.

felixomor1:


Hehehe.
Thats very simple, because there are trillions and higher amount of dust particles in the air and also all particles in the atmosphere vary from each other.

By thw way, Why not compare DNA to a snow man?
Why snow flake?
Afterall DNa creates something externally similar to snow man. Just that its superior.

Likewise, have u seen any 2 different snowmen that are exactly the same?

Tell me this snow man was created by "forces of nature"?

Lame argument.

A snow flake is proof of undesigned complexity, you cannot compare it to a snow man that is just lumps of snow. You've run out of points to make so now you're just being silly. Isalright

Lennycool:

And saying an intelligent creator who led a bunch of desert tribe people to conquer other desert tribe people is the cause. Is cool?

You miss the point, it has nothing to do with deserts and cities, stop creating distractions. The intelligent Creator is the intelligent position to take.

Image123:


You miss the point, it has nothing to do with deserts and cities, stop creating distractions. The intelligent Creator is the intelligent position to take.

And what is the proof for this creator

Lennycool:

You have come again with your badly put arguments, do you know that no two snowflakes are ever alike, the tiniest shift in win or temperature creates entirely new patterns. Snow flakes besides being so intricate are reproduced billions of times each year with no intelligence behind it. It forms and intricate hexagonal pattern and is packed with billions of water molecules. Beautiful without intelligence.

Define intelligence please.

Lennycool:

A snow flake is proof of undesigned complexity, you cannot compare it to a snow man that is just lumps of snow. You've run out of points to make so now you're just being silly. Isalright

Even desert sand dunes is a sign of undesigned complexity.
At least according to u people.

Ur trying to compare 1 dollar complexity with that of a billion dollars is the fallacy and fraud here.

U can only but pretend by fraudulently lumping all of them together as "complexity".
It wont work.

Did anybody say there is nothing like mere undesigned complexity?

The point is there is nothing like an unwritten code.
There is no code without an author.

Period.

Alert us when u find a code without an author.

Lennycool:
And what is the proof for this creator

You.

felixomor1:


Even desert sand dunes is a sign of undesigned complexity.
At least according to u people.

Ur trying to compare 1 dollar complexity with that of a billion dollars is the fallacy and fraud here.

U can only but pretend by fraudulently lumping all of them together as "complexity".
It wont work.

Did anybody say there is nothing like mere undesigned complexity?

The point is there is nothing like an unwritten code.
There is no code without an author.

Period.

Alert us when u find a code without an author.

Correction...comparing an ice crystal with dna is like comparing 1 dollar with 1 gazillion dollars. Its insane and dishonest.

4everGod:



Correction...comparing an ice crystal with dna is like comparing 1 dollar with 1 gazillion dollars. Its insane and dishonest.

Thank you sir.!

Image123:

You.

And the proof of evolution is you

felixomor1:


Even desert sand dunes is a sign of undesigned complexity.
At least according to u people.

Ur trying to compare 1 dollar complexity with that of a billion dollars is the fallacy and fraud here.

U can only but pretend by fraudulently lumping all of them together as "complexity".
It wont work.

Did anybody say there is nothing like mere undesigned complexity?

The point is there is nothing like an unwritten code.
There is no code without an author.

Period.

Alert us when u find a code without an author.

But the Snow flake has a very intricate and complex structure, it forms a definite and precise shape, it is not random nonsense, it is indeed code, those hexagonal patterns are not a product of randomness.

Image123:


Define intelligence please.

The dictionary defines intelligence as
Capacity of mind, especially to understand principles, truths, facts or meanings, acquire knowledge, and apply it to practice; the ability to learn and comprehend.

Do snowflakes have the ability to learn and comprehend?

4everGod:



Correction...comparing an ice crystal with dna is like comparing 1 dollar with 1 gazillion dollars. Its insane and dishonest.

The complexity of one thing does not discredit the complexity of another. The theist argument has always been that complex things (DNA,snowflake, man) cannot come from randomness, it must be created. The snowflake proves that assertion wrong.

Lennycool:


But the Snow flake has a very intricate and complex structure, it forms a definite and precise shape, it is not random nonsense, it is indeed code, those hexagonal patterns are not a product of randomness.

Haba,
Did somebody put a gun to your head?
To be this desperate?

That snowflake is now a "code" ?

Haba now?

Lennycool:

The complexity of one thing does not discredit the complexity of another. The theist argument has always been that complex things (DNA,snowflake, man) cannot come from randomness, it must be created. The snowflake proves that assertion wrong.

Your lack of depth when making postulations is mind boggling.

Is an snowflake DNA? NO

Are they comparable? NO

The snowflake which is simply frozen water molecules has never existed on its own as that would mean that water also evolved which it did not.

Can you tell me the very first origin of water? The same creative force that brought life to be and is responsible for DNA is responsible for a snowflake.

DNA is gotten from molecules while the snowflake is simply iced water molecule but have you seen DNA in this ice molecule b4?

Life has an author and its not evolution as you know it. Micro evolution had never resulted in Macro evolution.

felixomor1:


Haba,
Did somebody put a gun to your head?
To be this desperate?

That snowflake is now a "code" ?

Haba now?

It has a precise pattern,. Get sense

The dictionary defines code as
A set of rules for converting information into another form or representation.
Now the information would be, molecular structure of water, temperature, pressure, air movement e.t.c and the other representation would be the snowflake.
It converted something into another thing.

Hence code