Haoqi24:



SHARRAP THERE WITH YOUR CHRISTIAN BIAS

DESTITUTE WITH NO TRACE LET ME KNOW YOUR IDENTITY IF YOU AREN'T ASHAMED OF YOURSELF AND YOUR TRIBE. I AM PROUDLY YORUBA AND KNOW MY HISTORY. WHAT IS YOUR STORY?TELL ME YOUR FAMILY TREE.....

Olu317:
DESTITUTE WITH NO TRACE LET ME KNOW YOUR IDENTITY IF YOU AREN'T ASHAMED OF YOURSELF AND YOUR TRIBE. I AM PROUDLY YORUBA AND KNOW MY HISTORY. WHAT IS YOUR STORY?TELL ME YOUR FAMILY TREE.....

Lolz.

Hope you doing fine bro?

absoluteSuccess:


Lolz.

Hope you doing fine bro?

I am doing good and can't ask for more. Thanks for asking. And you?

Olu317:
I am doing good and can't ask for more. Thanks for asking. And you?

I'm up and about, as usual.

Keep up the good work.

Olu317:
DESTITUTE WITH NO TRACE LET ME KNOW YOUR IDENTITY IF YOU AREN'T ASHAMED OF YOURSELF AND YOUR TRIBE. I AM PROUDLY YORUBA AND KNOW MY HISTORY. WHAT IS YOUR STORY?TELL ME YOUR FAMILY TREE.....

Mamuno, I am Yoruba... And you trying to reconcile your slave masters folklore to give yourself an identity is shameful to your roots. You don't even know it wasn't David who wrote the psalms. You suggesting Yoruba is the cursed lost 10 tribes how insulting. That they don't know what they do?

Haoqi24:


Mamuno, I am Yoruba... And you trying to reconcile your slave masters folklore to give yourself an identity is shameful to your roots. You don't even know it wasn't David who wrote the psalms. You suggesting Yoruba is the cursed lost 10 tribes how insulting. That they don't know what they do?

YOU ARE NOT YORUBA . AND STOP FOOLING YOURSELF. COME OUT WITH YOUR IDENTITY. I KNOW MY HISTORY AND I WILL ALWAYS STAND FOR IT. DID THE WHITE MEN THOUGHT ANCIENT YORUBA PEOPLE SUPREME BEING WHOM THEY CALLED ELEDUMARE? ASHÉDA? ÉLÉDUA? ÉLÉDA? WHAT ETHNICITY PRACTICE LEVIRATE APART FROM ANCIENT ISREAL AND YORUBA?, WHICH ETHNICITY APART FROM YORUBA AND ANCIENT ISRAEL USES RAM FOR SACRIFICE AND CLEANSING?THE PART ISRAELITE SCRIPTURE BEING WORSHIPPED AT ILE IFE CALLED “IDI".WHERE DID IT COME FROM? THE CHIEF PRIEST IS CALLED ASARA, AND ANCIENT ISRAEL CHIEF PRIEST WAS CALLED ANASARA. HOW COME YORUBA HAVE SIMILARITIES WITH THEM. HOW COME ISRAEL AND YORUBA GIVE RIGHT TO BOTH MOTHER (MATRILINEAL) AND FATHER(PATRILINEAL )SIDES OF THE FAMILY? DO YOU EVEN KNOW MAJORITY OF YORUBA DEITIES BEFORE WERE YORUBA MEN THAT WERE DEIFIED AFTER THEIR DEMISE OF THE GREAT YORUBA MEN WHO HAD KNOWLEDGE OF GOD? HOW COME YORUBA POWER OF CONJURING WORD INTO BEING(WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM MAGIC)WHICH CALLED ASHÉ IN YORUBA AND MASHÁH IN ANCIENT ISRAEL?etc. WHY IS YORUBA THE MOST RESEARCHED ETHNICITY IN THE WORLD? YOU ARE NOT YORUBA BLOOD. STOP FOOLING YOURSELF. EVEN IF YOU CLAIM IT, YOU MAY BE ONE OF THOSE WHO BECAME YORUBA THROUGH NATURALIZATION. I DOUBT IT.

absoluteSuccess:


I'm up and about, as usual.

Keep up the good work.

LET US KEEP WORKING TO SUSTAIN OUR HISTORY. NO MAN IS AN ISLAND BECAUSE FACTS CAN BE OVERRIDDEN ONCE A NEW FACT EMERGES. ALTHOUGH I HAVE SEEN SOME YORUBA GUYS WHO HAVE STREAMLINED THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF WHOM YORUBA PEOPLE ARE TO ILE IFE. AFTER ALL, WE AREN'T KNOWN AS YORUBA UNTIL 16TH CENTURY CENTURY SCHOLAR OF SONGHAI EMPIRE REFERRED TO US WITH SUCH WORD AS YORUBA. AS FAR AS AM CONCERNED I KNOW WITH MORE EFFORT WE WILL UNRAVEL MANY MYSTERIES ABOUT YORUBA RACE WITH MORE ARTICULATED FINDINGS. AND I STRONGLY BELIEVE ALL OF US CAN MAKE THE DIFFERENCE IRRESPECTIVE OF DIFFERENCES AND NOT WAIT FOR WHITE MEN TO FIND OUT OUR IDENTITY FOR US. IT WILL BE A SHAME. AFTER ALL AGBAJOWO LA FI N SO AYA. GOD BLESS

Olu317:
LET US KEEP WORKING TO SUSTAIN OUR HISTORY. NO MAN IS AN ISLAND BECAUSE FACTS CAN BE OVERRIDDEN ONCE A NEW FACT EMERGES. ALTHOUGH I HAVE SEEN SOME YORUBA GUYS WHO HAVE STREAMLINED THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF WHOM YORUBA PEOPLE ARE TO ILE IFE. AFTER ALL, WE AREN'T KNOWN AS YORUBA UNTIL 16TH CENTURY CENTURY SCHOLAR OF SONGHAI EMPIRE REFERRED TO US WITH SUCH WORD AS YORUBA. AS FAR AS AM CONCERNED I KNOW WITH MORE EFFORT WE WILL UNRAVEL MANY MYSTERIES ABOUT YORUBA RACE WITH MORE ARTICULATED FINDINGS. AND I STRONGLY BELIEVE ALL OF US CAN MAKE THE DIFFERENCE IRRESPECTIVE OF DIFFERENCES AND NOT WAIT FOR WHITE MEN TO FIND OUT OUR IDENTITY FOR US. IT WILL BE A SHAME. AFTER ALL AGBAJOWO LA FI N SO AYA. GOD BLESS

Ododo oro a maa da bi isokuso nigba miran,

Alagba, mo kiyin kuuse opolo.

Olu317:
YOU ARE NOT YORUBA . AND STOP FOOLING YOURSELF. COME OUT WITH YOUR IDENTITY. I KNOW MY HISTORY AND I WILL ALWAYS STAND FOR IT. DID THE WHITE MEN THOUGHT ANCIENT YORUBA PEOPLE SUPREME BEING WHOM THEY CALLED ELEDUMARE? ASHÉDA? ÉLÉDUA? ÉLÉDA? WHAT ETHNICITY PRACTICE LEVIRATE APART FROM ANCIENT ISREAL AND YORUBA?, WHICH ETHNICITY APART FROM YORUBA AND ANCIENT ISRAEL USES RAM FOR SACRIFICE AND CLEANSING?THE PART ISRAELITE SCRIPTURE BEING WORSHIPPED AT ILE IFE CALLED “IDI".WHERE DID IT COME FROM? THE CHIEF PRIEST IS CALLED ASARA, AND ANCIENT ISRAEL CHIEF PRIEST WAS CALLED ANASARA. HOW COME YORUBA HAVE SIMILARITIES WITH THEM. HOW COME ISRAEL AND YORUBA GIVE RIGHT TO BOTH MOTHER (MATRILINEAL) AND FATHER(PATRILINEAL )SIDES OF THE FAMILY? DO YOU EVEN KNOW MAJORITY OF YORUBA DEITIES BEFORE WERE YORUBA MEN THAT WERE DEIFIED AFTER THEIR DEMISE OF THE GREAT YORUBA MEN WHO HAD KNOWLEDGE OF GOD? HOW COME YORUBA POWER OF CONJURING WORD INTO BEING(WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM MAGIC)WHICH CALLED ASHÉ IN YORUBA AND MASHÁH IN ANCIENT ISRAEL?etc. WHY IS YORUBA THE MOST RESEARCHED ETHNICITY IN THE WORLD? YOU ARE NOT YORUBA BLOOD. STOP FOOLING YOURSELF. EVEN IF YOU CLAIM IT, YOU MAY BE ONE OF THOSE WHO BECAME YORUBA THROUGH NATURALIZATION. I DOUBT IT.

Are you aware most of the knowledge in the Torah is foreign to the Israelites... Go and research the origin of the Torah.

By the way the Israelites supreme being culture was a concept gotten from Egypt - the center of the world's civilization then. Moses even went so far as to declare that Yahweh, like the God of Egypt, was one (Deut. vi.4).
Remember according to the story he was educated in the Egyptian palace.

The idea of an all powerful god was developed in Egypt and spread with the migration of the Yoruba people. This spiritual conception of god and the universe was begun in the Nile valley 4000 years before the Christian era.

The main thing you should realise is that natural culture has parallels no matter your geographic location.

Babalawos:




The Yoruba history begins with the migration of an east African population across the Trans African route leading from Mid Nile river area to the Mid Niger. Archaeologists discovered that the Nigerian region was inhabited more than forty thousand years ago or as far back as 65,000 BC.

During this period, the Nok culture occupied the region. The Nok culture was visited by the Yoruba people between 2000BC and 500BC. This group of people was led, according to Yoruba historical accounts by king Oduduwa who settled peacefully in the already established Ile-Ife, the sacred city of the indigenous Nok people.

This time period is known as the Bronze Age, a time of high civilization of both of these groups. The Yoruba, during antiquity, lived in ancient Egypt before migrating to the Atlantic coast.

The Ekiti section of the Yorubas migrated to their present area around 638AD when the Muslims took over Egypt and forced some of the Yoruba people to migrate to their present area.

So, we see that the Yoruba did not come in one migration, but in many different migrations. The first possible migration might be connected with the Hyksos invasion.
Some words in the Yoruban vocabulary echo the words used in Egypt in predynastic times and in the early dynastic periods. Some Egyptian gods of this period have strong identities with Yoruban deities.

Words used in both Egypt and Yoruba:

Adumu "a water god" Adumu "a water god"

Ausar "Ausa"

Beru "force of emotion" Beru "fear"

Bu bi "evil place" Bubi "evil place"

Edjo "cobra" Edjo "cobra"

Enru "fear / terrible" Eru "fear / terrible"

Fa "carry) Fa "pull"

Fare "wrap" Fari "wrap"

Feh "to go away" Feh "to blow away"

Ged "to chant" Igede "a chant"

Hepi "a water god" Ipi "a water god"

Horise "Orise"

Ka "rest" Ka "rest / tired"

Kaf "pluck" Ka "pluck"

Kom "complete" Kon "complete"

Khu "to kill" Ku "die"

Ma "to know" Ma "to know"

Mu "water" Mu "drink water"

Omi "water" Omi "water"

Oni "title of Osiris" Oni "title of the king of Ife"

Osa "time / tide" Osa "time / tide"

Osiri "a water god" Oshiri "a water god"

Pa "open" Pa "break open"

Po "many" Po "many / cheap"

Sami "water god" Sami "a water god"

Sen "group of worshippers" Sen "to worship"

Shekiri "water god" Shekiri "a water god"

Ta "sell / offer" Ta "sell / offer"

Tebu "a town" Tebu "a town"

Unas "lake of fire" Una "fire"

More than fifty percent of the Yoruboid vocabulary of today can be deduced either directly or indirectly from the ancient Egyptian. These are the original ancient Egyptian language devoid of Arab and Latin words that are very few in the Yoruboid vocabulary

It is not really certain when king Oduduwa came from Egypt. He must have come in one of the many migrations. But since the Yoruba religious discourse has a lot of identities with Egyptian, Oduduwa would have left Egypt at a very early period perhaps after the Hyksos invasion of 2000-1500BC but not later than 30BC.

It should be noted that Abraham "the Arab patriarch of the Jews" learnt circumcision from Hagar, his Egyptian slave wife, whence the custom spread to the Jews.

The towns of ancient Egypt: On (Annu) or Heliopolis, Hermonthis, Dendera, Tebu...etc were developed by Annu, the pre-dynastic blacks of Egypt. Skeletons of the Negro Annu were ubiquitous in ancient Egypt...

Mene, the first pharaoh of the first dynasty, sometimes identified with the God-man Osiris (A black forerunner of Christ) was a Blackman. Zoser, Sesostris, Amenhopis, Khufu, Menthuhotep, Queen Amuses, Nefertari...etc were also all Negroes.

Kindly overlook grammatical errors, feel free to correct my translations. The most important thing is that the message was conveyed to you and you understood it.

Hope I answered your questions? Thank you

Haoqi24:




Are you aware most of the knowledge in the Torah is foreign to the Israelites... Go and research the origin of the Torah.

By the way the Israelites supreme being culture was a concept gotten from Egypt - the center of the world's civilization then. Moses even went so far as to declare that Yahweh, like the God of Egypt, was one (Deut. vi.4).
Remember according to the story he was educated in the Egyptian palace.

The idea of an all powerful god was developed in Egypt and spread with the migration of the Yoruba people. This spiritual conception of god and the universe was begun in the Nile valley 4000 years before the Christian era.

The main thing you should realise is that natural culture has parallels no matter your geographic location.

....Before, One comment, it seems you have realised your error. I have seen many of you that profess Yoruba identity but lacked the TRUE identity of YORUBA. The reason is that being called MODERN YORUBA OR ANCIENT PEOPLE WHO MIGRATED TO ILE IFE HAD one great trait called ‘OMOLUABI'.LEARN TO BE ONE. OTHER ETHNICITY pretend to love themselves and Yorubas antagonise themselves most of the times EXCEPT they have Issues with INVADERS. THAT IS THE ONLY TIME THEY SHEATHE THEIR SWORDS AGAINST EACH OTHER. WHY MUST THIS BE SO? I AM A YORUBA WHOSE PRIDE IS AS HIGH FROM THE EARTH TO INFINITY. So learn to a good Yoruba and not like the BAD ONES.

Haoqi24:




Are you aware most of the knowledge in the Torah is foreign to the Israelites... Go and research the origin of the Torah.

By the way the Israelites supreme being culture was a concept gotten from Egypt - the center of the world's civilization then. Moses even went so far as to declare that Yahweh, like the God of Egypt, was one (Deut. vi.4).
Remember according to the story he was educated in the Egyptian palace.

The idea of an all powerful god was developed in Egypt and spread with the migration of the Yoruba people. This spiritual conception of god and the universe was begun in the Nile valley 4000 years before the Christian era.

The main thing you should realise is that natural culture has parallels no matter your geographic location.

DONT BE CARRIED AWAY BY WHAT “OLUMIDE JONATHAN LUCAS" WROTE ON YORUBA PEOPLE IN 1948. THOUGH CREDIT MUST GO TO HIM BECAUSE HE DID SOME TREMENDOUS WORK ON FINDING THE IDENTITY OF YORUBA PEOPLE THROUGH THEIR LANGUAGE AND MIGRATION TO THE PLACE THEY REFERRED TO AS ILE IFE AND NOT TO BE SEEN AS ABORIGINES. HOWEVER, HE DIDN'T TELL YOU TO LIMIT YOURSELF BUT WAS SHOWING YOU THE TRUTH ABOUT YORUBA ORAL HISTORY OF MIGRATION THEORY.

Haoqi24:




Are you aware most of the knowledge in the Torah is foreign to the Israelites... Go and research the origin of the Torah.

By the way the Israelites supreme being culture was a concept gotten from Egypt - the center of the world's civilization then. Moses even went so far as to declare that Yahweh, like the God of Egypt, was one (Deut. vi.4).
Remember according to the story he was educated in the Egyptian palace.

The idea of an all powerful god was developed in Egypt and spread with the migration of the Yoruba people. This spiritual conception of god and the universe was begun in the Nile valley 4000 years before the Christian era.

The main thing you should realise is that natural culture has parallels no matter your geographic location.

.Torah has no connection with Egyptians because it is all about the five books(scripture) of the ancient is'ra' el that specifically identified with the dealing with one SUPREME GOD CALLED EL/ JE O VA ..The Egyptians are magicians and had different gods to the four elements of LIFE, WHICH ARE WATER,EARTH(SANDS), AIR AND WATER. AND MY BELOVED YORUBA HAD ONE SUPREME GOD CALLED ELEDUMARE(ALMIGHTY BEING) or OLORUN etc (CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH AS WELL AS BEING CALLED OWNER OF ALL THINGS)..Let me inform you more about the Yoruba God whom the ancient worshipped too. it has nothing to do with religion of Christians or Muslim. The ancient Is' ra' El returned to Egypt when there was a military agreement was signed.... That Info will be later but not to digress, the God cannot die according to IFA.

Haoqi24:




Are you aware most of the knowledge in the Torah is foreign to the Israelites... Go and research the origin of the Torah.

By the way the Israelites supreme being culture was a concept gotten from Egypt - the center of the world's civilization then. Moses even went so far as to declare that Yahweh, like the God of Egypt, was one (Deut. vi.4).
Remember according to the story he was educated in the Egyptian palace.

The idea of an all powerful god was developed in Egypt and spread with the migration of the Yoruba people. This spiritual conception of god and the universe was begun in the Nile valley 4000 years before the Christian era.

The main thing you should realise is that natural culture has parallels no matter your geographic location.

....SHOW ME ANY PART OF AFRICA THAT HAS PROOF LIKE THE YORUBA WHOSE GOD SPOKE LIKE THIS THROUGH IFA APART FROM ANCIENT ISRAEL.... THIS IS THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION BUT STILL NOT ACCURATE BUT NEARER TO THE MEANING. IT GO THUS

KOROFO,the cult of the underground,
is the one which Consulted the Oracle
about ELEDUMARE/OLODUMARE and
he declared that his death would never be heard
Another One say
ELEDUMARE/OLODUMARE has rubbed his head with bar wood(IYEROSUN)
He will never die
(His) whole head is become exceedingly hoary.

All these are recorded in OGBE(O)YEKU by Bolaji Idowu. THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION DO NOT SEEM TO BE EITHER THE MOST APPROPRIATE OR THE MOST ACCURATE AND FAITHFUL. THE SECOND LINE OF THE FIRST IFA QUOTED SPEAKS AS IF IT WAS NOT OLODUMARE/ELEDUMARE THAT HIMSELF CONSULTED KOROFO,THE IFA PRIEST OF THE UNDERGROUND,BUT KOROFO,WHO DID THE CONSULTATION WITHOUT ANY REQUEST ABOUT ELEDUMARE/OLODUMARE. ALSO THE SECOND ONE SPEAKS OF THE ORACLE AS SUPPORTING THE IMMORTALITY OF ELEDUMARE/OLODUMARE. HOWEVER,PROPERLY UNDERSTOOD, IT WILL BE OBVIOUS THAT IT WAS ELEDUMARE/OLODUMARE WHO CONSULTED HIS WISE MEN. IN THE SAME VEIN

OKANRAN SAYS;

The young never hear that cloth is dead
but cloth only wear old to shreds
The old never hear that cloth is dead
but cloth only wear old to shreds
The young never hear that Eledumare/Olodumare is dead
cloth only wear old to shreds
The old never hear that Eledumare/Olodumare is dead
cloth only wear old to shreds




THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YORUBA GOD THAT NEVER DIES AND CAN SPEAK.... SHOW ME IF EGYPT HAVE THIS KIND OF GOD?

Olu317:
....SHOW ME ANY PART OF AFRICA THAT HAS PROOF LIKE THE YORUBA WHOSE GOD SPOKE LIKE THIS THROUGH IFA APART FROM ANCIENT ISRAEL.... THIS IS THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION BUT STILL NOT ACCURATE BUT NEARER TO THE MEANING. IT GO THUS

KOROFO,the cult of the underground,
is the one which Consulted the Oracle
about ELEDUMARE/OLODUMARE and
he declared that his death would never be heard
Another One say
ELEDUMARE/OLODUMARE has rubbed his head with bar wood(IYEROSUN)
He will never die
(His) whole head is become exceedingly hoary.

All these are recorded in OGBE(O)YEKU by Bolaji Idowu. THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION DO NOT SEEM TO BE EITHER THE MOST APPROPRIATE OR THE MOST ACCURATE AND FAITHFUL. THE SECOND LINE OF THE FIRST IFA QUOTED SPEAKS AS IF IT WAS NOT OLODUMARE/ELEDUMARE THAT HIMSELF CONSULTED KOROFO,THE IFA PRIEST OF THE UNDERGROUND,BUT KOROFO,WHO DID THE CONSULTATION WITHOUT ANY REQUEST ABOUT ELEDUMARE/OLODUMARE. ALSO THE SECOND ONE SPEAKS OF THE ORACLE AS SUPPORTING THE IMMORTALITY OF ELEDUMARE/OLODUMARE. HOWEVER,PROPERLY UNDERSTOOD, IT WILL BE OBVIOUS THAT IT WAS ELEDUMARE/OLODUMARE WHO CONSULTED HIS WISE MEN. IN THE SAME VEIN

OKANRAN SAYS;

The young never hear that cloth is dead
but cloth only wear old to shreds
The old never hear that cloth is dead
but cloth only wear old to shreds
The young never hear that Eledumare/Olodumare is dead
cloth only wear old to shreds
The old never hear that Eledumare/Olodumare is dead
cloth only wear old to shreds




THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YORUBA GOD THAT NEVER DIES AND CAN SPEAK.... SHOW ME IF EGYPT HAVE THIS KIND OF GOD?

Whatever we choose to see is what we'll see...
You choose to see a separation but I assure you nobody serves a different God from the other. I say this because everything is a manifestation/extension of the most high that we can't contain.

Yoruba oh, Igbo, Israel, Kemet, etc as long as they practice their natural spirituality, they are all reaching out to God. Shogbo.

You equating Eledumare and El, is you just seeing the parallels in the practice of two different people trying to reach God naturally.

And you should get your facts write about the ancient Israel records that claims to be historical, it's all allegory and myths. Stories stolen from other civilizations and told to be theirs.

Yoruba has more than one origin, hence the confusion. Present Yorubas = Atlantis, Nok, Egyptians, Kush, Jews, Phoenician, Barubas, Tapa, Igala and some other Jewish tribes from present Spain. The name Yoruba was coined from Oyo + Baruba by Songhai scholar; that is why some refused to be called Yoruba. Have you ever imagined why Oyo population was so big after the fall of Oyo empire that cities like Ibadan emerged and small settlements like Ede, Ogbomoso, Osogbo,Ilorin, etc became cities? They already integrated with other tribes!

Haoqi24:


Whatever we choose to see is what we'll see...
You choose to see a separation but I assure you nobody serves a different God from the other. I say this because everything is a manifestation/extension of the most high that we can't contain.

Yoruba oh, Igbo, Israel, Kemet, etc as long as they practice their natural spirituality, they are all reaching out to God. Shogbo.

You equating Eledumare and El, is you just seeing the parallels in the practice of two different people trying to reach God naturally.

And you should get your facts write about the ancient Israel records that claims to be historical, it's all allegory and myths. Stories stolen from other civilizations and told to be theirs.

I TELL YOU OF A TRUTH THAT IN YORUBA LAND,SPIRITUALISM BELONGS TO THOSE THAT QUERIES NATURAL THINGS AND SEEK IT OUT . I DON'T HATE ANY TRIBE OR ETHNICITY BUT I INFORM YOU ON THE THINGS I HAVE TAKEN MY TIME TO STUDY WHILE COMPARING DIFFERENT HISTORIANS OF YORUBA DESCENTS AND EUROPEAN DESCENTS. IF I AM GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ASKED,IF I WANT TO BE CALLED AN ISRAELI OR YORUBA? I WILL OBLIGE MY YORUBA IDENTITY OOH HAAA!. YORUBA LAND IS THE MOST ECOLOGICALLY FRIENDLY IN THE WHOLE OF WEST AFRICA. DO YOU DOUBT ME?, GO VERIFY THE RESOURCES YORUBA LAND IS ENDOWED WITH. THE MOST CRITICAL FROM NATURAL RESOURCES ARE TWO IN WHICH THE YORUBA LAND HAVE THEM; THE MOST ARABLE LAND FOR CULTIVATION AND GOOD RAINFALL YEAR IN YEAR OUT. JAPAN DOESN'T HAVE ONE SINGLE NATURAL RESOURCES BUT HUMAN CAPITAL YET THEY ARE TOP TEN ECONOMICALLY BUOYANT NATION. WHY THEN DO WE HAVE A GEOGRAPHICAL EXPRESSION WITH NOTHING TO GAIN FROM BUT SUCK YOU DRY. AS IT STAND, TRUTH NEEDED TO BE SET STRAIGHT. THERE ISN'T ANY CRIME KNOWING WHERE YOU AND I CAME FROM. THE REASON THE EUROPEANS OR ASIATIC EVEN THE MOST TROUBLESOME ARABS HAD ADVANTAGES MORE THAN THE HAMITIC RACE/ SUB SAHARA AFRICANS HAS ALWAYS BEEN BECAUSE OF THEIR IRRATIONAL QUESTIONING OF EVERYTHING. THIS HAS GIVEN THEM MORE AND ADEQUATE TRIAL AND ERROR THEORIES THAT HAD OPENED DOORS OF INVENTION. THESE PEOPLE CAN EVEN TELL YOU FOUR OR FIVE OR EIGHT GENERATIONS OF THEIRS,etc ,CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOUR THREE GENERATIONS BEFORE YOU?, DO YOU KNOW THERE ARE MORE THAN 100S BLACK INVENTORS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, YET THEY ARE NOT KNOWN ANYMORE OR CELEBRATED BECAUSE EVEN THE CURRENT GENERATIONS OF INDIGENOUS BLACK AMERICANS ONLY INVOLVED IN LAMENTATIONS, DRUG DEALINGS AND GUN WIELDING EGOCENTRISM. ASK YOURSELF, HOW MANY OF THOSE MORONS OF AMERICAN SLAVES GENERATIONS HAVE COME BACK TO AFRICA TO INVEST THEIR FUNDS? YET YOU SEE THE WHITES TAKING ALL THESE RISKS. BRO OPEN YOUR EYES AND DO RESEARCH THOROUGHLY. GOD IS REAL AND HE GAVE POWER TO ALL FOR SELF AND GROUP DEVELOPMENT.

Olu317:
I TELL YOU OF A TRUTH THAT IN YORUBA LAND,SPIRITUALISM BELONGS TO THOSE THAT QUERIES NATURAL THINGS AND SEEK IT OUT . I DON'T HATE ANY TRIBE OR ETHNICITY BUT I INFORM YOU ON THE THINGS I HAVE TAKEN MY TIME TO STUDY WHILE COMPARING DIFFERENT HISTORIANS OF YORUBA DESCENTS AND EUROPEAN DESCENTS. IF I AM GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ASKED,IF I WANT TO BE CALLED AN ISRAELI OR YORUBA? I WILL OBLIGE MY YORUBA IDENTITY OOH HAAA!. YORUBA LAND IS THE MOST ECOLOGICALLY FRIENDLY IN THE WHOLE OF WEST AFRICA. DO YOU DOUBT ME?, GO VERIFY THE RESOURCES YORUBA LAND IS ENDOWED WITH. THE MOST CRITICAL FROM NATURAL RESOURCES ARE TWO IN WHICH THE YORUBA LAND HAVE THEM; THE MOST ARABLE LAND FOR CULTIVATION AND GOOD RAINFALL YEAR IN YEAR OUT. JAPAN DOESN'T HAVE ONE SINGLE NATURAL RESOURCES BUT HUMAN CAPITAL YET THEY ARE TOP TEN ECONOMICALLY BUOYANT NATION. WHY THEN DO WE HAVE A GEOGRAPHICAL EXPRESSION WITH NOTHING TO GAIN FROM BUT SUCK YOU DRY. AS IT STAND, TRUTH NEEDED TO BE SET STRAIGHT. THERE ISN'T ANY CRIME KNOWING WHERE YOU AND I CAME FROM. THE REASON THE EUROPEANS OR ASIATIC EVEN THE MOST TROUBLESOME ARABS HAD ADVANTAGES MORE THAN THE HAMITIC RACE/ SUB SAHARA AFRICANS HAS ALWAYS BEEN BECAUSE OF THEIR IRRATIONAL QUESTIONING OF EVERYTHING. THIS HAS GIVEN THEM MORE AND ADEQUATE TRIAL AND ERROR THEORIES THAT HAD OPENED DOORS OF INVENTION. THESE PEOPLE CAN EVEN TELL YOU FOUR OR FIVE OR EIGHT GENERATIONS OF THEIRS,etc ,CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOUR THREE GENERATIONS BEFORE YOU?, DO YOU KNOW THERE ARE MORE THAN 100S BLACK INVENTORS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, YET THEY ARE NOT KNOWN ANYMORE OR CELEBRATED BECAUSE EVEN THE CURRENT GENERATIONS OF INDIGENOUS BLACK AMERICANS ONLY INVOLVED IN LAMENTATIONS, DRUG DEALINGS AND GUN WIELDING EGOCENTRISM. ASK YOURSELF, HOW MANY OF THOSE MORONS OF AMERICAN SLAVES GENERATIONS HAVE COME BACK TO AFRICA TO INVEST THEIR FUNDS? YET YOU SEE THE WHITES TAKING ALL THESE RISKS. BRO OPEN YOUR EYES AND DO RESEARCH THOROUGHLY. GOD IS REAL AND HE GAVE POWER TO ALL FOR SELF AND GROUP DEVELOPMENT.

I'm not saying God isn't real G. All I'm saying is the only reason you see parallels with the Israelites is cause of the stolen and refrabicated culture of the Egyptians and Sumerians.

The spiritual practice of the Yoruba people is older than 10000 years, all nature practices are the same only influences from other culture saying the same makes it evolve.

G, as I said earlier you see the connections you are looking for. That's the Universe in general for you. You choose the path to link the Israelites with the Yoruba, the evidence is a while lot, but I am still of the opinion that is valid only cause they learnt natural culture from the Sumerians n Egyptians and refused to credit their source of knowledge.

Haoqi24:



I'm not saying God isn't real G. All I'm saying is the only reason you see parallels with the Israelites is cause of the stolen and refrabicated culture of the Egyptians and Sumerians.

The spiritual practice of the Yoruba people is older than 10000 years, all nature practices are the same only influences from other culture saying the same makes it evolve.

G, as I said earlier you see the connections you are looking for. That's the Universe in general for you. You choose the path to link the Israelites with the Yoruba, the evidence is a while lot, but I am still of the opinion that is valid only cause they learnt natural culture from the Sumerians n Egyptians and refused to credit their source of knowledge.

...YORUBA ISN'T AS OLD AS 10,000 YEARS. DON'T LET ANYONE FOOL YOU. EVEN AROCHUKWU OF THE IBOS IS OLDER THAN YORUBA'S PRESENCE AT ILE IFE. THE EXISTENCE OF YORUBA AT ILE IFE WAS AROUND 3BC/6BC. FROM WHICH MOVEMENT BEGAN. AND THE YORUBA AREN'T SEPARATE PEOPLE BUT ONE SAME RELATED GROUP WHO HAD ONE BELIEVE OF ONE GOD. EVEN IF THEIR ADVENTURISM MADE THEM DEVIATE INTO ABSORBING FEW BELIEFS OF OTHER PEOPLE. THEY HELD ON TO THEIR DIVINE IDENTITY AS A PEOPLE WHO DESCENDED FROM GOD. TRIBAL MARKS, EGUNGUN FESTIVALS WERE BORROWED IDEOLOGY IN TERMS OF MAKING THEIR BELIEFS OF AFTER LIFE TO LOOK MORE REAL BECAUSE YORUBA TRADITION EMPHASISE AFTER LIFE EXISTENCE WHICH THE KEMET/EGYPTIANS/ISRAEL ETC BELIEVES. THEN ON THE ISSUE OF RELIGION WITH DISPARITY WITH EGYPT IS TRUE AND ISRAEL DIDN'T STOLE ANYTHING FROM EGYPT. IN FACT, CHILDREN OF ISRAEL HELPED EGYPT BECOME THE WORLD POWER DURING THOSE ANCIENT TIMES. HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN SO EASILY?, THE GOD OF ISRAEL GAVE COMMANDMENT TO ISRAEL THROUGH MOSES. HOW DO YOU CLAIM EGYPT HAD MORE SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE MORE THAN CHILDREN OF ISRAEL?, JOSEPH INTERPRETED DREAMS TO KINGS AND PEOPLE DESPITE WHAT NO MAGICIANS COULD DO WHEN HE WAS IN JAIL IN EGYPT, HOW DO YOU NOW REFER TO EGYPT HAVING MORE KNOWLEDGE OF DEITY CALLED ONE GOD TO EGYPT?, THE SAME GOD DESTROYED THE WHOLE ARMIES OF EGYPT INSIDE THE RED SEA, HOW DO YOU COMPARE EGYPT WITH ISRAEL? EVEN THE ARABS DESCENDANTS RECOGNISED ISRAEL AS FROM THE SAME FATHER WITH DESPITE THEIR DIFFERENCES. WHAT ARE YOU NOT SEEING?. EGYPT WORSHIP RAM AND DON'T KILL IT OR USE IT AS SACRIFICE. THE ISRAEL KILL RAM AND USE IT FOR ATONEMENT OF SINS AND FOR SACRIFICES. I DON'T HATE AFRICA BUT LET THE TRUTH BE FOUND. TEN TRIBES + ONE (10+1=11) OF ISRAEL WHO ARE THE LARGEST GROUP OF ISRAEL VANQUISHED INTO THE THIN AIR YET THEY ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE WORLD POPULATION. THE WHITE RESEARCHERS ARE LOOKING FOR THEM. BECAUSE GOD WANT TO PROOF A POINT TO THE WHOLE WORLD. DESPITE THE FACT THAT ACCORDING TO CHRISTIANITY, CHRIST CAME TO SAVE THE WORLD. EVEN ISLAM TESTIFY TO EXISTENCE OF GOD LIKEWISE ALL OTHER BOOKS BUT GOD IS ONE AND NOT DIVISIBLE LIKE SOME CALL DIFFERENT WONDERS as gods. EGYPT KNOWS NO GOD MONOTHEISTIC GOD. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

Olu317:
...YORUBA ISN'T AS OLD AS 10,000 YEARS. DON'T LET ANYONE FOOL YOU. EVEN AROCHUKWU OF THE IBOS IS OLDER THAN YORUBA'S PRESENCE AT ILE IFE. THE EXISTENCE OF YORUBA AT ILE IFE WAS AROUND 3BC/6BC. FROM WHICH MOVEMENT BEGAN. AND THE YORUBA AREN'T SEPARATE PEOPLE BUT ONE SAME RELATED GROUP WHO HAD ONE BELIEVE OF ONE GOD. EVEN IF THEIR ADVENTURISM MADE THEM DEVIATE INTO ABSORBING FEW BELIEFS OF OTHER PEOPLE. THEY HELD ON TO THEIR DIVINE IDENTITY AS A PEOPLE WHO DESCENDED FROM GOD. TRIBAL MARKS, EGUNGUN FESTIVALS WERE BORROWED IDEOLOGY IN TERMS OF MAKING THEIR BELIEFS OF AFTER LIFE TO LOOK MORE REAL BECAUSE YORUBA TRADITION EMPHASISE AFTER LIFE EXISTENCE WHICH THE KEMET/EGYPTIANS/ISRAEL ETC BELIEVES. THEN ON THE ISSUE OF RELIGION WITH DISPARITY WITH EGYPT IS TRUE AND ISRAEL DIDN'T STOLE ANYTHING FROM EGYPT. IN FACT, CHILDREN OF ISRAEL HELPED EGYPT BECOME THE WORLD POWER DURING THOSE ANCIENT TIMES. HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN SO EASILY?, THE GOD OF ISRAEL GAVE COMMANDMENT TO ISRAEL THROUGH MOSES. HOW DO YOU CLAIM EGYPT HAD MORE SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE MORE THAN CHILDREN OF ISRAEL?, JOSEPH INTERPRETED DREAMS TO KINGS AND PEOPLE DESPITE WHAT NO MAGICIANS COULD DO WHEN HE WAS IN JAIL IN EGYPT, HOW DO YOU NOW REFER TO EGYPT HAVING MORE KNOWLEDGE OF DEITY CALLED ONE GOD TO EGYPT?, THE SAME GOD DESTROYED THE WHOLE ARMIES OF EGYPT INSIDE THE RED SEA, HOW DO YOU COMPARE EGYPT WITH ISRAEL? EVEN THE ARABS DESCENDANTS RECOGNISED ISRAEL AS FROM THE SAME FATHER WITH DESPITE THEIR DIFFERENCES. WHAT ARE YOU NOT SEEING?. EGYPT WORSHIP RAM AND DON'T KILL IT OR USE IT AS SACRIFICE. THE ISRAEL KILL RAM AND USE IT FOR ATONEMENT OF SINS AND FOR SACRIFICES. I DON'T HATE AFRICA BUT LET THE TRUTH BE FOUND. TEN TRIBES + ONE (10+1=11) OF ISRAEL WHO ARE THE LARGEST GROUP OF ISRAEL VANQUISHED INTO THE THIN AIR YET THEY ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE WORLD POPULATION. THE WHITE RESEARCHERS ARE LOOKING FOR THEM. BECAUSE GOD WANT TO PROOF A POINT TO THE WHOLE WORLD. DESPITE THE FACT THAT ACCORDING TO CHRISTIANITY, CHRIST CAME TO SAVE THE WORLD. EVEN ISLAM TESTIFY TO EXISTENCE OF GOD LIKEWISE ALL OTHER BOOKS BUT GOD IS ONE AND NOT DIVISIBLE LIKE SOME CALL DIFFERENT WONDERS as gods. EGYPT KNOWS NO GOD MONOTHEISTIC GOD. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

You still keep quoting myths as historical events... it's pointless if you regard the bible as an historical book. Research "did moses exist" and find out how before the story of Moses there were law givers. These law givers were the prototype the scriptures were written after and given a false name.

The Exodus too is a hoax

I knew you had a christian/Jewish bias from the beginning. If we are to give credit to the originals it will have to be to the Sumerians and Egyptians.

And isn't it of recent the Oduduwa people were called Yoruba?

Now I'm not talking about when the "Yorubas" settled in Ile Ife. I'm talking about traces of their culture.

Haoqi24:



You still keep quoting myths as historical events... it's pointless if you regard the bible as an historical book. Research "did moses exist" and find out how before the story of Moses there were law givers. These law givers were the prototype the scriptures were written after and given a false name.

The Exodus too is a hoax

I knew you had a christian/Jewish bias from the beginning. If we are to give credit to the originals it will have to be to the Sumerians and Egyptians.

And isn't it of recent the Oduduwa people were called Yoruba?

Now I'm not talking about when the "Yorubas" settled in Ile Ife. I'm talking about traces of their culture.

.. I SAW, WHAT YOU WROTE ON EXISTENCE OF YORUBA AT ILE IFE AND SCIENTIFIC'S CARBON TEST HAS SHOWN THAT HUMAN SETTLEMENT DATED BACK BETWEEN THE YEAR I MENTIONED 3BC/6BC AND NOT 10,000 YEARS AS BIASELY CLAIMED IN SOME QUARTER. ON THE DIFFERENT IDENTITIES YOU POSITED, I WILL TELL YOU THAT MAJORITY OF YORUBA DESCENDED FROM SAME FAMILY TREE OF YEB AND (ASWAN) ÉLEPHANTE IN THE NILE DELTA REGION OF EGYPT AND SOMETIMES CALL THE PLACE AMMON(THESE WAS WHERE THE YORUBA ONCE LIVED AND BEING REFERRED TO AS ISRAEL). IN FACT YORUBA WERE ONCE CALLED USERE MAGBO(IS' RA 'EL) AND ONE PERSON DISAGREED AND MENTIONED OBATALA BEING CALLED THAT NAME BUT I SAID THE TRUTH AND MY INFORMATION SOURCING IS QUITE ALL ENCOMPASSING. THE WORD BEING ABUSED AS ODUDUWA(JUDAH)WAS JU ADUA, A HOLY LAND IN ISRAEL. WHY DO YOU THINK NO MATTER HOW TREASONOUS ANY YORUBA GROUP OR INDIVIDUALS WAS,YORUBA DONT WAGE WAR AGAINST ILE IFE? IT WAS SEEN AS HOLY LAND OF GOD OF JUDAH /JADUA/ADUA/ODUA/ODUDUWA.DO YOU HAVE ANY ANSWER WHY ILE IFE WAS NEVER ATTACKED APART FROM AFTER MENTIONED? EVEN IF YORUBA GOT MARRIED INTO ANOTHER TRIBE THE STORY ARE TOLD FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION. THE YORUBA TRADITION HAS IT THAT THE PATRILINEAL AND MATRILINEAL IS ALWAYS RECOGNISED. YORUBA DID MARRIED OTHER TRIBES BUT MAJORITY OF YORUBA ARE PATRILINEAL. IF YOU DOUBT, VERIFY FROM YOUR OWN TOWN, YOU WILL BE AMAZED.WHAT SO DO YOU CALL MYTH? BIBLE?YOU ARE A JOKING. EITHER AS A CHRISTIAN OR MUSLIM OR EVEN OF TRADITIONAL BACKGROUND. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FACT. THE SUMERIANS OR EGYPTIANS,YOU SO LAY EMPHASIS ON NEED NOT BE CREDITED ONLY BECAUSE THE CUSHITES WERE KNOWN,ETHOPIANS,LIBYANS ETC ARE ALL IN THE BIBLE. THIS IS MY PROBLEM WITH COLOURED PEOPLE TRYING TO CONTRADICT THE TRUTH. THE BIBLE IS SEEN AS HISTORICAL BOOK BY HISTORIANS/EXPLORERS OF WHITE BACKGROUND WHO ARE SEARCHING FOR TREASURES AND MANKIND PAST EVENTS. WITHOUT THE SAME BIBLE,EGYPT WON'T BE KNOWN TODAY AS THE CRADLE OF CIVILIZATION BECAUSE CHRISTIANS CRUSADERS(WHO DONT TRULY BELIEVE GOD BUT HIDE UNDER IT AS AN ESCAPE ROUTE TO STEAL AWAY TREASURE)AND ISLAM JIHADISTS ALMOST DESTROYED EVERYTHING THAT WAS IDOLISED. AND HERE YOU ARE CALLING ME BIASED. I AM NOT AN ATHEIST BECAUSE MY FOREFATHERS YORUBA RELIGION TESTIFY TO SPIRITUAL POWER....

Haoqi24:



You still keep quoting myths as historical events... it's pointless if you regard the bible as an historical book. Research "did moses exist" and find out how before the story of Moses there were law givers. These law givers were the prototype the scriptures were written after and given a false name.

The Exodus too is a hoax

I knew you had a christian/Jewish bias from the beginning. If we are to give credit to the originals it will have to be to the Sumerians and Egyptians.

And isn't it of recent the Oduduwa people were called Yoruba?

Now I'm not talking about when the "Yorubas" settled in Ile Ife. I'm talking about traces of their culture.

..YOU CANNOT TALK ABOUT TRACES OF CULTURE WITHOUT THE SETTLEMENT. THEN TO CLARIFY EGYPT DIFFERENCE FROM IS' RA 'EL . EL IS A WORD USED BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT MEANINGS. FOR INSTANCE, EL IS A SINGULAR WORD USED FOR ISRAEL ‘GOD'. WHILE IT WAS ALSO USED IN ANCIENT EGYPT god KNOWN AS ARIES WHO IS KNOWN AS HEAVENLY RAM. THE WORD RAM COMES DOWN TO US FROM ANCIENT EGYPT NEAR THE NILE DELTA. IT WAS SUCH AN IMPORTANT SYMBOLS THAT SOME EGYPTIANS PHARAOHS WERE NAMED AFTER RAM. FOR INSTANCE,RAMESSES,AND THE WORD PY-RAM-ID, MEAN THE ‘ PATERNAL POWER OF RAM '
IN EGYPT MYTHOLOGY, THE RAM OF MENDES, JUPITER AND OSIRIS WERE KNOWN TO REPRESENT THE SOUL OF THE WORLD AND KING OF HEAVEN, JUPITER.
IN THE ANCIENT TIMES,ONE OF THE MAIN CITIES FOR THE WORSHIP OF THE RAM WAS MENDES WHICH IS ALSO KNOWN BY THE EGYPTIANS NAME ‘TO-BANEBDJEDET'. A NAME MEANING‘THE DOMAIN OF RAM DJEDET GENTLEMEN'. THIS WAS THE CENTER OF WORSHIP OF RAM BA.......DOES THE EGYPTIANS FROM THESE FEW OUT OF MANY FACT SHOW EGYPT AS HAVING KNOWLEDGE OF SUPREME MONOTHEISM. THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE.

Olu317:
.. I SAW, WHAT YOU WROTE ON EXISTENCE OF YORUBA AT ILE IFE AND SCIENTIFIC'S CARBON TEST HAS SHOWN THAT HUMAN SETTLEMENT DATED BACK BETWEEN THE YEAR I MENTIONED 3BC/6BC AND NOT 10,000 YEARS AS BIASELY CLAIMED IN SOME QUARTER. ON THE DIFFERENT IDENTITIES YOU POSITED, I WILL TELL YOU THAT MAJORITY OF YORUBA DESCENDED FROM SAME FAMILY TREE OF YEB AND (ASWAN) ÉLEPHANTE IN THE NILE DELTA REGION OF EGYPT AND SOMETIMES CALL THE PLACE AMMON(THESE WAS WHERE THE YORUBA ONCE LIVED AND BEING REFERRED TO AS ISRAEL). IN FACT YORUBA WERE ONCE CALLED USERE MAGBO(IS' RA 'EL) AND ONE PERSON DISAGREED AND MENTIONED OBATALA BEING CALLED THAT NAME BUT I SAID THE TRUTH AND MY INFORMATION SOURCING IS QUITE ALL ENCOMPASSING. THE WORD BEING ABUSED AS ODUDUWA(JUDAH)WAS JU ADUA, A HOLY LAND IN ISRAEL. WHY DO YOU THINK NO MATTER HOW TREASONOUS ANY YORUBA GROUP OR INDIVIDUALS WAS,YORUBA DONT WAGE WAR AGAINST ILE IFE? IT WAS SEEN AS HOLY LAND OF GOD OF JUDAH /JADUA/ADUA/ODUA/ODUDUWA.DO YOU HAVE ANY ANSWER WHY ILE IFE WAS NEVER ATTACKED APART FROM AFTER MENTIONED? EVEN IF YORUBA GOT MARRIED INTO ANOTHER TRIBE THE STORY ARE TOLD FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION. THE YORUBA TRADITION HAS IT THAT THE PATRILINEAL AND MATRILINEAL IS ALWAYS RECOGNISED. YORUBA DID MARRIED OTHER TRIBES BUT MAJORITY OF YORUBA ARE PATRILINEAL. IF YOU DOUBT, VERIFY FROM YOUR OWN TOWN, YOU WILL BE AMAZED.WHAT SO DO YOU CALL MYTH? BIBLE?YOU ARE A JOKING. EITHER AS A CHRISTIAN OR MUSLIM OR EVEN OF TRADITIONAL BACKGROUND. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FACT. THE SUMERIANS OR EGYPTIANS,YOU SO LAY EMPHASIS ON NEED NOT BE CREDITED ONLY BECAUSE THE CUSHITES WERE KNOWN,ETHOPIANS,LIBYANS ETC ARE ALL IN THE BIBLE. THIS IS MY PROBLEM WITH COLOURED PEOPLE TRYING TO CONTRADICT THE TRUTH. THE BIBLE IS SEEN AS HISTORICAL BOOK BY HISTORIANS/EXPLORERS OF WHITE BACKGROUND WHO ARE SEARCHING FOR TREASURES AND MANKIND PAST EVENTS. WITHOUT THE SAME BIBLE,EGYPT WON'T BE KNOWN TODAY AS THE CRADLE OF CIVILIZATION BECAUSE CHRISTIANS CRUSADERS(WHO DONT TRULY BELIEVE GOD BUT HIDE UNDER IT AS AN ESCAPE ROUTE TO STEAL AWAY TREASURE) AND ISLAM JIHADISTS ALMOST DESTROYED EVERYTHING THAT WAS IDOLISED. AND HERE YOU ARE CALLING ME BIASED. I AM NOT AN ATHEIST BECAUSE MY FOREFATHERS YORUBA RELIGION TESTIFY TO SPIRITUAL POWER....

It's obvious you have a christian bias se. "The truth and your information is quite all encompassing" this statement makes me understand you already have a conviction on whatever you've come to believe about the race and this is harmful to learning new things.

The bible has been long dismissed as an historical book cause archaeological findings have come to discover that most of the mentioned cities at the dates time the scriptures where writing was not existing or was just a small settling much smaller than a village.

Only the bible is evidence of its claims and no nonbiblical evidence to back the authenticity apart from forgeries that aren't even dated as the same time the scriptures were written.

But I understand your bias.

My question now is what made you start researching the connection between Israeliteand Yoruba

Haoqi24:



It's obvious you have a christian bias se. "The truth and your information is quite all encompassing" this statement makes me understand you already have a conviction on whatever you've come to believe about the race and this is harmful to learning new things.

The bible has been long dismissed as an historical book cause archaeological findings have come to discover that most of the mentioned cities at the dates time the scriptures where writing was not existing or was just a small settling much smaller than a village.

Only the bible is evidence of its claims and no nonbiblical evidence to back the authenticity apart from forgeries that aren't even dated as the same time the scriptures were written.

But I understand your bias.

My question now is what made you start researching the connection between Israeliteand Yoruba

^^

The same curiosity that makes you choose to find out what you don't know. The man has 'christian biases', you have 'science biases'. Is one bias greater than another bias?

Do you have 'legal entitlements to facts' based on your 'opposing biases' or just for the fact that you don't believe his basis of assertion, then that makes him less intelligent to come to an informed conclusions on observations?

To want a scientific parrallel to everything bible says is to make bible a natural science textbook, but the writers never promised you that. Get it right please. Everything about mankind does not revolve around science, there are diverse perspectives and interests. Don't chain the world to your worldview.

People talk about Nok civilisation, just as Plato reveal about the unknown Atlantis, what did science tell us of these places? Art did. By art we know about the collosal attainments of classic Greece and Egypt.

The claim that ife is the source of the Yoruba, what did your science say? Is it an example of forgery you blame the bible for? If you want a science based bible records, you must be able to tell us what tomorrow holds as a scientist.

Otherwise all your idea of the past will be about the error of the bible, without which you have no genuine story to tell convincing enough to refute biblical 'forgery claims'.

absoluteSuccess:


^^

The same curiosity that makes you choose to find out what you don't know. The man has 'christian biases', you have 'science biases'. Is one bias greater than another bias?

Do you have 'legal entitlements to facts' based on your 'opposing biases' or just for the fact that you don't believe his basis of assertion, then that makes him less intelligent to come to an informed conclusions on observations?

To want a scientific parrallel to everything bible says is to make bible a natural science textbook, but the writers never promised you that. Get it right please. Everything about mankind does not revolve around science, there are diverse perspectives and interests. Don't chain the world to your worldview.

People talk about Nok civilisation, just as Plato reveal about the unknown Atlantis, what did science tell us of these places? Art did. By art we know about the collosal attainments of classic Greece and Egypt.

The claim that ife is the source of the Yoruba, what did your science say? Is it an example of forgery you blame the bible for? If you want a science based bible records, you must be able to tell us what tomorrow holds as a scientist.

Otherwise all your idea of the past will be about the error of the bible, without which you have no genuine story to tell convincing enough to refute biblical 'forgery claims'.

Now who knows tomorrow? Only Eledumare is their and he reveals the secrets to the Oracle. Dont get me wrong, I am not a scientist.

And I don't say any bias is greater than the other but when it comes to historical events, the mention of the biblical records sound like a joke to me. He should try researching on the writings than inspired the biblical scriptures and understand why he can find the false connection to the most glorified stolen story of the world.

Haoqi24:



It's obvious you have a christian bias se. "The truth and your information is quite all encompassing" this statement makes me understand you already have a conviction on whatever you've come to believe about the race and this is harmful to learning new things.

The bible has been long dismissed as an historical book cause archaeological findings have come to discover that most of the mentioned cities at the dates time the scriptures where writing was not existing or was just a small settling much smaller than a village.

Only the bible is evidence of its claims and no nonbiblical evidence to back the authenticity apart from forgeries that aren't even dated as the same time the scriptures were written.

But I understand your bias.

My question now is what made you start researching the connection between Israeliteand Yoruba

You condemn what the Bible had written as non conformist with reality. Now let me open up a little more for the benefit of those who are also Yorubas too reading this and others students of history . To be honest, I don't upload documents or info as some people do but I will inform you on someone hidden things I had come across. I have mentioned and educated you a little on some facts as I have seen them, vis à vis the Yoruba God (Eledumare/Olodumare/Eledua/Elerun/Olorun,Sacrifice using Ram in Yoruba tradition which is in contrast to Egypt's RAM,seen as “GOD", the Yoruba God who couldn't die and monotheism of Yoruba people at par with Israel and contrast to Egypt. In the 18th century,some Yoruba men did justice to standardise Yoruba language in which little harm was done to the phonetic sounds as some ancient words were replaced with the then modern ones. For instance, É(é) was interchange with Ó(ó). So,if you see “El"edumare being changed to“Ol"odumare, Ka-bi-“é" -si to ka-bi-“ó"-si, But word like “Él-a", Él-edá, Él-eduá etc are sustained till now because of the people who are traditionalists that don't follow the books written by educated Yoruba mindsets. Doubt this? Can you tell IFA PRIEST to change his IFA eulogy to a modern Yoruba words?, Impossible. You can still Kindly do a research trip to the remote Yoruba interior lands,you will be amazed at which the dialects are still retained with great jealousy. Now,I have questions for you too before I give an answer your question. And it goes thus; which group were in Egypt during 3BC-6BC?,Who are called Kititties tribes? Who are called the Elamites?,Who is called Sennacherib? Who is called Ashurbanipal?..Now to answer your question on the Bible, have you heard or seen on Television or visited some Historical sites being located in the Middle East in the past? These places confirm with near accuracy of the account of the Bible..DAMASCUS,ASSYRIAN,MECCA,EMPIRE,NINEVEH, etc authenticated the Bible as a guide to many scholars. If you visit London Museum, you will never and never argued over the Bible as being the Oldest Book because artifacts and most of the account recorded account in it that dealt with kingdoms and Empires over thousands (1000s) of years ago that are written in the Bible have excavated ruins being displayed at Museums. Visit England first to see for yourself or google it out or you can subscribe for books on Middle East history. Lastly, if Israel was a small village, how come the recorded account of Nebuchadnezzar on ISRAEL as being captives? Do you know that some ancient coins of Israel are in the MUSEUM today?, Make more research before you relay your views.

RedboneSmith:
Omoluabi don't say "ignorant", but they will say "uncultured", "lazy", etc?

the moment you see someone on nairaland making posts solely based on assumptions and expect others to accept his assumptions unchallenged

Haoqi24:



It's obvious you have a christian bias se. "The truth and your information is quite all encompassing" this statement makes me understand you already have a conviction on whatever you've come to believe about the race and this is harmful to learning new things.

The bible has been long dismissed as an historical book cause archaeological findings have come to discover that most of the mentioned cities at the dates time the scriptures where writing was not existing or was just a small settling much smaller than a village.

Only the bible is evidence of its claims and no nonbiblical evidence to back the authenticity apart from forgeries that aren't even dated as the same time the scriptures were written.

But I understand your bias.

My question now is what made you start researching the connection between Israeliteand Yoruba

YORUBA IDENTITY CRISIS MADE ME STARTED THE RESEARCH ON YORUBA. THEN, THE FIRST POINT OF INTEREST IN THE RESEARCH BETWEEN YORUBA AND ISRAEL WAS USERE-MAGBO, WHICH TO ME SOUNDED MORE LIKE IS'RA'EL, THOUGH I WASN'T CONVINCED BECAUSE I AM INQUISITIVE BUT NOT AGGRESSIVE TOWARD IT. THEN, THE YORUBA MODE OF MEN GREETING ELDERLY ONE BY “PROSTRATING" DREW MY ATTENTION,THEN OFO/ASHE/EGEDE(OGEDE)etc -all these are basically enshrined in FAITH, because, if anyone conjure words without FAITH in the YORUBA aforementioned words that manifest as a potent spiritual and active order,it will not manifest and this is similar to ISRAEL PATTERN in using the word of God to conjure , Take for instance, the places IN WHICH MOSES USED THE SAME FORMULA, JOSHUA USED THE SAME FORMULA, DAVID USED THE SAME FORMULA, and it all worked for these ISRAELITES. THE YORUBA USED SUCH METHOD TOO TO CALL THINGS FROM NON EXISTENT TO MANIFEST PHYSICALLY, THEN ANOTHER AREA WAS CIRCUMCISION OF SONS IN 8 DAYS/9 DAYS BEFORE CHRISTIANITY EXISTENCE IN YORUBA LAND. ANOTHER WAS THE TWIN BIRTH, THE ISRAELITES WAS THE FIRST TO BE CREDITED ACCORDING TO BIBLE AND IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND AS OF TODAY, YORUBA HAVE THE HIGHEST RATE OF TWINS BIRTH IN THE WORLD, ANOTHER ONE WAS THAT ISLAM HAD BEEN IN YORUBA LAND SINCE 14th Century YET,YORUBA DIDN'T ABSORB THE RELIGION NEITHER DID THEY ABSORB CHRISTIANITY DURING THE FIRST PERIOD WHEN THE COLONIALISTS CAME IN 18th CENTURY BUT YORUBA HAD SIMILAR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT ALMIGHTY GOD, CREATION MYTH OF GOD IN THE BIBLE( God,hen/dovelike,water,and earth/sands)AND BEING DESCENDANTS OF ALMIGHTY GOD THROUGH ODUA,OBATALA AND ORUNMIELA . THESE WERE THE ORIGINAL ATTRIBUTE AND CLAIMS OF ANCIENT IS'RA'EL. THE FEELING OF BEING DIVINE HUMAN BEINGS.THE NAMES THAT WE WERE CALLED WEREN'T OUR NAMES WE CALLED OURSELVES. THE ARE TWO ONLY NAMES THAT I HAD COME ACROSS WITHOUT ANY ONE GIVEN US THAT NAME WAS ADUA/ODUA/ODUDUWA AND USERE-MAGBO. APART FROM THESE NAMES. YORUBA WAS GIVEN TO US BY A SONGHAI SCHOLAR CALLED “AHMED BABA" IN 16TH CENTURY, WE WERE CALLED ANAGO BY FON(DAHOMEY)PEOPLE BECAUSE “ANAGO" WAS USED TO DESCRIBE US AS BEING TOO PROUD(TALKING TO MUCH OF THEMSELVES) OR ALSO CALLED AHORI, WE ARE CALLED AKU MUCH EARLIER BY PEOPLE BECAUSE OF MODE OF GREETING/SALUTATION.

Can you see why I became more curious? Why did you ask?

Haoqi24:



It's obvious you have a christian bias se. "The truth and your information is quite all encompassing" this statement makes me understand you already have a conviction on whatever you've come to believe about the race and this is harmful to learning new things.

The bible has been long dismissed as an historical book cause archaeological findings have come to discover that most of the mentioned cities at the dates time the scriptures where writing was not existing or was just a small settling much smaller than a village.

Only the bible is evidence of its claims and no nonbiblical evidence to back the authenticity apart from forgeries that aren't even dated as the same time the scriptures were written.

But I understand your bias.

My question now is what made you start researching the connection between Israeliteand Yoruba

I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS AND SEES YORUBA AS FROM ISRAEL. HERE ARE TWO RABBIS,ONE CATEGORICALLY SAID HE WAS AN ISRAELI LINEAGE OF YORUBA RACE AND THE OTHER ONE SAID HE WAS A FALASHAS LINEAGE(BETA ISRAEL) THE FIRST ONE IS FORD ARNOLD JOSIAH WHO WAS BORN 23 APRIL 1877-16th SEPT 1935. THE SECOND ONE WAS BORN IN LAGOS on 23RD JUNE 1892 - 3RD DECEMBER 1973 AS WENTWORTH ARTHUR MATTHEW. YOU CAN GOOGLE THESE TWO OUT OF THOSE WHO CLAIMED THE TRADITION OF ISRAEL AS THEIRS BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHO THEY WERE. SO DO YOU SEE THAT THERE ISN'T A SMOKE WITHOUT A FIRE.

Olu317:
YORUBA IDENTITY CRISIS MADE ME STARTED THE RESEARCH ON YORUBA. THEN, THE FIRST POINT OF INTEREST IN THE RESEARCH BETWEEN YORUBA AND ISRAEL WAS USERE-MAGBO, WHICH TO ME SOUNDED MORE LIKE IS'RA'EL, THOUGH I WASN'T CONVINCED BECAUSE I AM INQUISITIVE BUT NOT AGGRESSIVE TOWARD IT. THEN, THE YORUBA MODE OF MEN GREETING ELDERLY ONE BY “PROSTRATING" DREW MY ATTENTION,THEN OFO/ASHE/EGEDE(OGEDE)etc -all these are basically enshrined in FAITH, because, if anyone conjure words without FAITH in the YORUBA aforementioned words that manifest as a potent spiritual and active order,it will not manifest and this is similar to ISRAEL PATTERN in using the word of God to conjure , Take for instance, the places IN WHICH MOSES USED THE SAME FORMULA, JOSHUA USED THE SAME FORMULA, DAVID USED THE SAME FORMULA, and it all worked for these ISRAELITES. THE YORUBA USED SUCH METHOD TOO TO CALL THINGS FROM NON EXISTENT TO MANIFEST PHYSICALLY, THEN ANOTHER AREA WAS CIRCUMCISION OF SONS IN 8 DAYS/9 DAYS BEFORE CHRISTIANITY EXISTENCE IN YORUBA LAND. ANOTHER WAS THE TWIN BIRTH, THE ISRAELITES WAS THE FIRST TO BE CREDITED ACCORDING TO BIBLE AND IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND AS OF TODAY, YORUBA HAVE THE HIGHEST RATE OF TWINS BIRTH IN THE WORLD, ANOTHER ONE WAS THAT ISLAM HAD BEEN IN YORUBA LAND SINCE 14th Century YET,YORUBA DIDN'T ABSORB THE RELIGION NEITHER DID THEY ABSORB CHRISTIANITY DURING THE FIRST PERIOD WHEN THE COLONIALISTS CAME IN 18th CENTURY BUT YORUBA HAD SIMILAR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT ALMIGHTY GOD, CREATION MYTH OF GOD IN THE BIBLE( God,hen/dovelike,water,and earth/sands)AND BEING DESCENDANTS OF ALMIGHTY GOD THROUGH ODUA,OBATALA AND ORUNMIELA . THESE WERE THE ORIGINAL ATTRIBUTE AND CLAIMS OF ANCIENT IS'RA'EL. THE FEELING OF BEING DIVINE HUMAN BEINGS.THE NAMES THAT WE WERE CALLED WEREN'T OUR NAMES WE CALLED OURSELVES. THE ARE TWO ONLY NAMES THAT I HAD COME ACROSS WITHOUT ANY ONE GIVEN US THAT NAME WAS ADUA/ODUA/ODUDUWA AND USERE-MAGBO. APART FROM THESE NAMES. YORUBA WAS GIVEN TO US BY A SONGHAI SCHOLAR CALLED “AHMED BABA" IN 16TH CENTURY, WE WERE CALLED ANAGO BY FON(DAHOMEY)PEOPLE BECAUSE “ANAGO" WAS USED TO DESCRIBE US AS BEING TOO PROUD(TALKING TO MUCH OF THEMSELVES) OR ALSO CALLED AHORI, WE ARE CALLED AKU MUCH EARLIER BY PEOPLE BECAUSE OF MODE OF GREETING/SALUTATION.

Can you see why I became more curious? Why did you ask?

Have you searched the Yoruba-Kemet relationship and not seen parallels?

What I am trying to make you understand is the ancient people all have similar ways to reaching the Almighty God. The reason you do not see the Egyptians worship the Almighty is simply because the Almighty can't be perceived or understood so they use intermediaries to reach the Almighty, same thing goes on in the Yoruba land where Eledumare has no shrine. The Egyptians knew they can't contain the Almighty and use his manifestations to reach to the Almighty.

The aspect of Faith you spoke about yh, that's foriegn ti the Yoruba people because they do not believe, they aren't "onigbagbo" they know Eledumare is, it's more right to say what day do according to an ifa priest I listened to is "Igbokanle"

The oldest record on circumcision is credited to the Ancient Egyptains. Wiki can help you on that.

As of the record of twin birth please go and research on the original scripts the Torah stole from. I'll advice you to go and read "did moses exit by Archaya S"

She did justice with that research.

Haoqi24:


Have you searched the Yoruba-Kemet relationship and not seen parallels?

What I am trying to make you understand is the ancient people all have similar ways to reaching the Almighty God. The reason you do not see the Egyptians worship the Almighty is simply because the Almighty can't be perceived or understood so they use intermediaries to reach the Almighty, same thing goes on in the Yoruba land where Eledumare has no shrine. The Egyptians knew they can't contain the Almighty and use his manifestations to reach to the Almighty.

The aspect of Faith you spoke about yh, that's foriegn ti the Yoruba people because they do not believe, they aren't "onigbagbo" they know Eledumare is, it's more right to say what day do according to an ifa priest I listened to is "Igbokanle"

The oldest record on circumcision is credited to the Ancient Egyptains. Wiki can help you on that.

As of the record of twin birth please go and research on the original scripts the Torah stole from. I'll advice you to go and read "did moses exit by Archaya S"

She did justice with that research.

The Yoruba and Egyptians or Kemet as they are called never at any time have spiritual similarities. Below are the differences between Yoruba and Egypt
1. The Egyptians do use Ram to symbolise their gods pictorial..... Yoruba don't symbolise their God with any carved image of sort
2. The name of their gods are many and Netjer is seen as supreme god yet he manifest in different ways e. g Anpu, Aset... Ancient Yoruba God is unchangeable and doesn't have other forms
3.The Egyptians Supreme god is called Amun Ra that is been personified as Sun god.... Yoruba don't have sun god.......Yoruba don't have sun god but almighty God(Olorun/Elerun)the owner of heaven and Earth
4. Osiris is the god of afterlife,........ Yoruba ancient men didn't have god of afterlife though they had knowledge of it yet the had the owner of life Eledua/Olorun/Eledumare/Elemi(Owner of Life)
5. The Egyptians have a polytheism ways worship ........Yoruba had and still have a monotheistic ways of worship...
6. The description of ancient Egyptian or kemet gods are many and they look young,powerful and do take different forms from one another .... Yoruba ancient God is old and having white hairs who CANNOT DIE.
7. The Egyptians or kemet tradition on circumcision was not 7/8/9 days.........Yoruba tradition on circumcision was before Christianity 7/8/9 days
8. The Egyptians believed that human souls is made of five parts; the Ren,the Ba, the ka, the shuet,and the Ib....... Yoruba don't believe in the five part of human souls
9. The Egyptians don't use “El" to call gods...... Yoruba use nearly all word related to “El" to call almighty God
10. The Egyptians ancient way of writing is different. Example, “U"represent(10) ,while lotus flower represent(1000)......The writing on the Oranmiyan Obelisk nailed our differences with ancient Egyptians.
11. The Ancient Egyptians tradition doesn't believe in Levirate marriage...... Yoruba tradition believing in Levirate tradition

From the list above, you can see the core difference from Egypt. I have over time seen people using Jonathan Lucas case study, using it as the basis for Yoruba ancient people relating to Egypt because of language slight similarity but these set of people failed to note that language is dynamic. A child who was born in the bush cannot understand any language apart from the language of animals. Egypt as whole had a lot of immigrants to her place during 3BC/6BC. These people, included Israelites, Elamites, kittites,Ethiopians,Babyloninans, Ammonites, etc.. Do you know where these people are in today's world?
Do you even know that Yoruba had one time rested in Ancient Ethiopia briefly? Yet they differentiated themselves.
How on earth were these men claimed Israel and yet it was in the early 19th century.... RABBIS FORD ARNOLD JOSIAH AND RABBIS MATTHEW WENTWORTH ARTHUR..
But today, Yoruba aren't interested in all of these anymore. The Jewish people that came to South Eastern Nigeria is actually looking forward to YORUBA PEOPLE.
TORAH was found in the part of Yoruba land being observed. And it didn't HAPPEN IN ANY OTHER PLACE THAN IN YORUBA LAND.
there is even an evidence of ISRAEL KINGS IN YORUBA ORAL HISTORY ACCOUNT... WHO WAS KING HUISI? if not HOSEA. WHO WAS OLUASO? if not JOASH.... The account has a connection. Do you know there was a female KING(REGENT)in ancient YORUBA TRADITION?

Olu317:
The Yoruba and Egyptians or Kemet as they are called never at any time have spiritual similarities. Below are the differences between Yoruba and Egypt
1. The Egyptians do use Ram to symbolise their gods pictorial..... Yoruba don't symbolise their God with any carved image of sort
2. The name of their gods are many and Netjer is seen as supreme god yet he manifest in different ways e. g Anpu, Aset... Ancient Yoruba God is unchangeable and doesn't have other forms
3.The Egyptians Supreme god is called Amun Ra that is been personified as Sun god.... Yoruba don't have sun god.......Yoruba don't have sun god but almighty God(Olorun/Elerun)the owner of heaven and Earth
4. Osiris is the god of afterlife,........ Yoruba ancient men didn't have god of afterlife though they had knowledge of it yet the had the owner of life Eledua/Olorun/Eledumare/Elemi(Owner of Life)
5. The Egyptians have a polytheism ways worship ........Yoruba had and still have a monotheistic ways of worship...
6. The description of ancient Egyptian or kemet gods are many and they look young,powerful and do take different forms from one another .... Yoruba ancient God is old and having white hairs who CANNOT DIE.
7. The Egyptians or kemet tradition on circumcision was not 7/8/9 days.........Yoruba tradition on circumcision was before Christianity 7/8/9 days
8. The Egyptians believed that human souls is made of five parts; the Ren,the Ba, the ka, the shuet,and the Ib....... Yoruba don't believe in the five part of human souls
9. The Egyptians don't use “El" to call gods...... Yoruba use nearly all word related to “El" to call almighty God
10. The Egyptians ancient way of writing is different. Example, “U"represent(10) ,while lotus flower represent(1000)......The writing on the Oranmiyan Obelisk nailed our differences with ancient Egyptians.
11. The Ancient Egyptians tradition doesn't believe in Levirate marriage...... Yoruba tradition believing in Levirate tradition

From the list above, you can see the core difference from Egypt. I have over time seen people using Jonathan Lucas case study, using it as the basis for Yoruba ancient people relating to Egypt because of language slight similarity but these set of people failed to note that language is dynamic. A child who was born in the bush cannot understand any language apart from the language of animals. Egypt as whole had a lot of immigrants to her place during 3BC/6BC. These people, included Israelites, Elamites, kittites,Ethiopians,Babyloninans, Ammonites, etc.. Do you know where these people are in today's world?
Do you even know that Yoruba had one time rested in Ancient Ethiopia briefly? Yet they differentiated themselves.
How on earth were these men claimed Israel and yet it was in the early 19th century.... RABBIS FORD ARNOLD JOSIAH AND RABBIS MATTHEW WENTWORTH ARTHUR..
But today, Yoruba aren't interested in all of these anymore. The Jewish people that came to South Eastern Nigeria is actually looking forward to YORUBA PEOPLE.
TORAH was found in the part of Yoruba land being observed. And it didn't HAPPEN IN ANY OTHER PLACE THAN IN YORUBA LAND.
there is even an evidence of ISRAEL KINGS IN YORUBA ORAL HISTORY ACCOUNT... WHO WAS KING HUISI? if not HOSEA. WHO WAS OLUASO? if not JOASH.... The account has a connection. Do you know there was a female KING(REGENT)in ancient YORUBA TRADITION?

Please oh, kilo se awon Orisha?

An Orisha (spelled Òrìṣa) is an entity that possesses the capability of reflecting some of the manifestations of Olodumare. Yoruba Orishas (commonly translated "unique/special/selected heads" are often described as intermediaries between humankind and the supernatural. The term is also translated as "Deities" or "Divinities" or "Gods".[8]

Orisha(s) are revered for having control over specific elements by nature, thus being better referred to as the divinities or Imole. Even so, there are those of their number that are more akin to ancient heroes and/or sages.[3] These are best addressed as Dema Deities. Even though the term Orisha is often used to describe both classes of divine entities, it is properly reserved for the former one

Are you leaving them out of the picture...

As Written by FOLYKAZE

How is a spiritual system that recognise 401 Irunmoles a monotheistic religion?

How do you translate the word Orisha? Is Orisha a god to you? We have billions of Orisha (god) out there and you still call Ifa a monotheistic religion?

Ifa is polythiestic. It is a divination system created by Orunmila. Orunmila is an Orisha (God of wisdom). He is the Omniscient part of Eledumare. Eledumare does not even interfare in the affair of things among we humans. He set everything in motion and doesnt look forward for our prayers or sacrifce. So we can call Orisha religion system Deism.

It doesnt matter what the western world tag us. Been polytheistic or deistic is not a bad attribution. Eledumare is Olorun and as well one of 400 Irunmole. In Yoruba religion belief, we have 401 Irunmole. That is polytheistic considering the number of Imole (Divine ones) are more than one.

All Onifa worship all the Orishas esp Eshu, Ogun, Yemoja, Sango, Obatala and Appeal through scarifices to Eleye. This is polythism and far different from monotheism.

Monotheism is the belief in a single all-powerful god, as opposed to religions that believe in multiple gods.

Orisha religion system does not recognise a single all-powerful god but 401 Irunmales who govern the earth and the ancestors realm. Eledumare is one and part of the Irunmoles. Despite the fact the he owns all the Ashe (Energy), his subordinates in 400 Irunmoles are also Gods that are been worshipped in Yoruba religion system.

Ogun lakaye Osinmole is the chief of Irunmoles. Ogun is the deity of strength, war and Iron/metalic elements. Lakaye means the one whose influcence spread around the world (both physical and spiritual realm) while Osinmole from collison of Osin awon Imole meaning the one Imole worship and sees as head.

Allah could made jinns, Jehovah could form trinity and elders numbering 24 in the councils of heaven where queens of heaven, gods (Psalm 82:1) and sons of God congregate but the fact you failed to see is that no muslim worship Jinn and also no christian worship any of the elders, angels or queen of heaven. No one pray to the angels or gods. No one bow in prayer for Jinns. The muslim world admits there is no other god except Allah just like christians no other God is worthy of worship except Jehovah. Allah and Jehovah are single all powerful God to muslim and christian respectively. This makes Islam and Christianity a monotheistic religion.

Yoruba religion system is different entirely in the cases of Abrahamic religion (Christianity and Islam). The 400 Irunmoles and Orishas are been worshipped. Ones Ori is a deity which have a dedicated shrine/altar, prayed to and scarifices made to appeals to it. Egungun (dead living ancestors) are been worshipped in a dedicated shrine among families. This does not end with worshipping but a belief that these deity are closer to one and are powerful. The case of a single all-powerful God is ruled out here. This is polytheism.

On the other round, Eledumare is not been worship in Yoruba religion system. Eledumare does not have a dedicated shrine, ordain a special prayer or ask anyone for sacrifice. He does not seek for our faith. He only set everything in motion and interfare not in the system of things. This is classical deism.

Yoruba religion system could have been tagged Henotheism but there is no record that Eledumare been worshipped directly.

Now you need to understand what polytheism really is. Polytheism is the worship of or belief in multiple deities/gods usually assembled into a pantheon of gods and goddesses, along with their own rituals. In most aspect, the gods and goddesses are representations of forces of nature or ancestral principle, and can be viewed either as autonomous or emanating part of a creator God.

All the Orishas are representation of forces of the nature and are been worshipped as part and constellation of Eleduamre. This is polytheism not only in the number of God but belief in the existence of a specific pantheon of distinct deities called Orisha or Imole.

Yoruba religion system is far from been monotheism

Haoqi24:



Please oh, kilo se awon Orisha?

An Orisha (spelled Òrìṣa) is an entity that possesses the capability of reflecting some of the manifestations of Olodumare. Yoruba Orishas (commonly translated "unique/special/selected heads" are often described as intermediaries between humankind and the supernatural. The term is also translated as "Deities" or "Divinities" or "Gods".[8]

Orisha(s) are revered for having control over specific elements by nature, thus being better referred to as the divinities or Imole. Even so, there are those of their number that are more akin to ancient heroes and/or sages.[3] These are best addressed as Dema Deities. Even though the term Orisha is often used to describe both classes of divine entities, it is properly reserved for the former one

Are you leaving them out of the picture...

As Written by FOLYKAZE

How is a spiritual system that recognise 401 Irunmoles a monotheistic religion?

How do you translate the word Orisha? Is Orisha a god to you? We have billions of Orisha (god) out there and you still call Ifa a monotheistic religion?

Ifa is polythiestic. It is a divination system created by Orunmila. Orunmila is an Orisha (God of wisdom). He is the Omniscient part of Eledumare. Eledumare does not even interfare in the affair of things among we humans. He set everything in motion and doesnt look forward for our prayers or sacrifce. So we can call Orisha religion system Deism.

It doesnt matter what the western world tag us. Been polytheistic or deistic is not a bad attribution. Eledumare is Olorun and as well one of 400 Irunmole. In Yoruba religion belief, we have 401 Irunmole. That is polytheistic considering the number of Imole (Divine ones) are more than one.

All Onifa worship all the Orishas esp Eshu, Ogun, Yemoja, Sango, Obatala and Appeal through scarifices to Eleye. This is polythism and far different from monotheism.

Monotheism is the belief in a single all-powerful god, as opposed to religions that believe in multiple gods.

Orisha religion system does not recognise a single all-powerful god but 401 Irunmales who govern the earth and the ancestors realm. Eledumare is one and part of the Irunmoles. Despite the fact the he owns all the Ashe (Energy), his subordinates in 400 Irunmoles are also Gods that are been worshipped in Yoruba religion system.

Ogun lakaye Osinmole is the chief of Irunmoles. Ogun is the deity of strength, war and Iron/metalic elements. Lakaye means the one whose influcence spread around the world (both physical and spiritual realm) while Osinmole from collison of Osin awon Imole meaning the one Imole worship and sees as head.

Allah could made jinns, Jehovah could form trinity and elders numbering 24 in the councils of heaven where queens of heaven, gods (Psalm 82:1) and sons of God congregate but the fact you failed to see is that no muslim worship Jinn and also no christian worship any of the elders, angels or queen of heaven. No one pray to the angels or gods. No one bow in prayer for Jinns. The muslim world admits there is no other god except Allah just like christians no other God is worthy of worship except Jehovah. Allah and Jehovah are single all powerful God to muslim and christian respectively. This makes Islam and Christianity a monotheistic religion.

Yoruba religion system is different entirely in the cases of Abrahamic religion (Christianity and Islam). The 400 Irunmoles and Orishas are been worshipped. Ones Ori is a deity which have a dedicated shrine/altar, prayed to and scarifices made to appeals to it. Egungun (dead living ancestors) are been worshipped in a dedicated shrine among families. This does not end with worshipping but a belief that these deity are closer to one and are powerful. The case of a single all-powerful God is ruled out here. This is polytheism.

On the other round, Eledumare is not been worship in Yoruba religion system. Eledumare does not have a dedicated shrine, ordain a special prayer or ask anyone for sacrifice. He does not seek for our faith. He only set everything in motion and interfare not in the system of things. This is classical deism.

Yoruba religion system could have been tagged Henotheism but there is no record that Eledumare been worshipped directly.

Now you need to understand what polytheism really is. Polytheism is the worship of or belief in multiple deities/gods usually assembled into a pantheon of gods and goddesses, along with their own rituals. In most aspect, the gods and goddesses are representations of forces of nature or ancestral principle, and can be viewed either as autonomous or emanating part of a creator God.

All the Orishas are representation of forces of the nature and are been worshipped as part and constellation of Eleduamre. This is polytheism not only in the number of God but belief in the existence of a specific pantheon of distinct deities called Orisha or Imole.

Yoruba religion system is far from been monotheism

“ori/èri) MONOTHEISM IS HAVING KNOWLEDGE AND WORSHIP OF ONE GOD. this is the core part in Yoruba religion as it concerns the greatness and destiny bestowed upon the“being" created by almighty God. It is the paramount difference with Egyptians. The èri-sha do have reasons to be cleansed because of the complexity of the wickedness of spiritual world and the goodness of the spiritual world which can either mar or make one in a lifetime . Yoruba men and women of ancient times knew about the TI IBI TI IRE LO JO NRIN... IF you have some knowledge on why people SE—IFA/IGBOODU,
You will appreciate the difference no matter what you think. The Yoruba have a very deep knowledge of God and didn't at any time forget it even if Yoruba was corrupted with adoption of other ideologies. Yet they place almighty God ahead as ERI-SA OKE. Everything done on Earth by the IFA PRIEST solely lies IF THE ERI-SA OKE ACCEPT THE REQUEST/prayer of the person who seek to know his PURPOSE on EARTH (AKOSE—JAYE). You can see from my information that all the defied as deities are POWERLESS WITHOUT THE SANCTION OF YORUBA'S ELEDUMARE. This make YORUBA GOD WHOSE
DESCRIPTION FIT IN AS HAVING HUMAN IMAGE,ATTRIBUTES, BUT MORE ELDERLY WITH GRAY HAIRS AND ANCIENT OF DAYS GOD WHO CAN'T DIE and also likened to the God of Israel. This make YORUBA MONOTHEISM TRUE because No IFA PRIEST conclusively tell You the UMOLES/IMOLES will GRANT a EASY PASSAGE FOR ONES VICTORY ON EARTH FOR “ERI—EDA" That the elders will say “ERI/ORI ENI A JI BO, A JI KE, A JI PÈ ........ So, irrespective of the work of the 200+1 Deities of Yoruba been worshipped in the past and today,ELEDUA/ELEDUMARE determine WHO DIES TODAY, TOMORROW
OR ANYTIME or being BLESS at different time as he ordain it because YORUBA BELIEVE that Nothing happens in the PHYSICAL without the SPIRITUAL WORLD TO HAVE SEALED IT. ERI/ORI is even what the CHRISTIANS BELIEVE MORE IN WHEN SEEKING THE
FACE OF GOD because IT IS ALL THAT MATTERS TO THEM. WHY IS THIS HAVING CONNECTION WITH YORUBA TRADITION AS CONCERN ONE'S PURPOSE ON EARTH? There is more than that meet the eyes. AWA Yoruba are too spiritually deep so much that thy even have knowledge and the existence and practices of the two forces of SPIRITUALISM; WHITE INCLINED SPIRITUALISM AND DARK INCLINED SPIRITUALISM. This testify to the Knowledge of the advancement of Yoruba knowing the difference between the evil forces and Godly forces. Let me emphasis here that the cardinal Forces in which you
attributed to OGUN wasn't his own but to almighty Yoruba God. Have you forgotten that he was a man with blood in his vein and Mortal?, Do you not know all of these people defied are mode of communication with God even ogun? Do you not know he was a great warrior on Earth? People defied him and the rest because nobody knew how he and the rest communicated with God and the ancient Yoruba people didn't want to loose that connection so as to always have victories in all their battles, Have you not seen it in the BIBLE WHEN MEN, PROPHETS USE other prophet to connect to God?. And so people knew that
through him the almighty God of Yoruba who never lost a battle will be connected through him. Have you thought why OONI do go to OGUN's shrine to pay homage and pray (KO ÈSÈ). This to show the important role OGUN play in Yoruba land. WHY DOES OGUN'S SHRINE PREFER DARK DOG? BUT when you want to appease your ELEDA, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO USE WHITES stuffs.etc . So, Yoruba strongly knows the purpose of seeking what behold them as ANCIENT ISRAELI DOES. HAVE YOU HEARD ANY KING AS MIGHTY IN BATTLE TO COMPARE HIMSELF WITH GOD IN YORUBA HISTORY? NONE,
I REPEAT, NONE! Yoruba had always spread their hands and looked up to the sky and cry when calamity befell them either in group or individually. If EGYPT'S might and glory can only boast of 114 deities. How then do you think Yoruba HAVE UMOLES/IMOLES much more than Egypt?,YORUBA RELIGION IS SUPERIOR TO THAT OF EGYPT BECAUSE GOD WHO IS KNOWN AS OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT, AND OMNIPRESENT whom can't be CONFINED TO ONE SPOT AS GOD OF YORUBA. Even masquerade wasn't part of religion in ancient Yorubas but borrowed and adopted from NUPE/NOK culture though,so as
to make Yoruba own already established knowledge on afterlife had a spiritual doctrine and did make it look more informative when displaying the perception of the DEAD Ancestors.