The Vatican church, or the Roman Catholic church, has a long history of corruption and deception.

Why Did The Vatican Remove 14 Books From The Bible in 1684?
John Peterson | March 8, 2017 | World
The Vatican church, or the Roman Catholic church, has a long history of corruption and deception.



In the year 1611 the Bible was translated from Latin into English. Back then the Bible contained a total of 80 books and the last 14 books, which today have been excluded, made up the end of the Old Testament and were as follows:

1 Esdras
2 Esdras
Tobit
Judith
The rest of Esther
The Wisdom of Solomon
Ecclesiasticus
Baruch with the epistle Jeremiah
The Songs of the 3 Holy children
The history of Susana
bel and the dragon
The prayer for Manasses
1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees

In 1684 all of these books were removed from all versions except for a 1611 edition, which was the very first edition translated into English.

In this first edition you will also actually find that Jesus’ name is spelled IESUS and pronounced Yahashua. So why then does everyone continue to call him Jesus, when the letter J did not even being used at the time?

One of these books that is particularly interesting, is the “Wisdom of Solomon”. For those who don’t know Solomon is one of the most legendary characters from the Bible. He was the son of David and is alleged to be the wisest man that has ever lived. He is painted largely as a benevolent figure. But what you read in this book will make you question everything you were told to believe about him.

Observe the following excerpt;

[b]Wisdom of Solomon 2:1-24

1 For the ungodly said reasoning with them selves, but not aright, our life is short and tedious and in death of a man there is no remedy: neither was there any man known to have returned from the grave.

2 For we are born at all adventure: and we shall be hereafter as though we had never been: for the breath of our nostrils is as smoke, and the little spark in the moving of our heart

3 Which being extinguished, our body shall be turned into ashes, and our spirit shall vanish as the soft air,

4 And our name shall be forgotten in time, and no man shall have our works in remembrance, and our life shall pass away as the trace of a cloud, and shall be dispersed as a mist, that is driven away, with the beams of the sun, and overcome with the heat thereof.

5 For our time is very shadow that passeth away; and after our end there is no returning: for it is fast sealed, so that no man cometh again.

6 Come on there for let us enjoy the good things that are present: and let us speedily use the creatures like as in youth.

7 Let us fill ourselves with costly wine and ointments: and let no flower of the Spring pass by us.

8 Let us crown ourselves with rosebuds, before they be withered:

9 Let none of us go without his part of our voluptuousness: let us leave tokens of our joyfulness in every place: for this is our portion and our lot is this.

10 Let us oppress the poor righteous man, let us not spare the widow, nor reverence the ancient gray hairs of the aged.

11 Let our strength be the law of justice: for that which is feeble is found to be nothing worth.

12 Therefore let us lie in wait for the righteous; because HE is not of our turn, and HE is clean contrary to our doings. He upbraideth us with our offending of the law, and ojecteth to our infamy the transgression of our education.

13 HE professeth to have the knowledge of the MOST HIGH, and calleth HIS self the child of the LORD.

14 HE was made to reprove our thoughts

15 HE is grievous unto us even to behold, for HIS life is not like other men’s, HIS ways are of another fashion.

16 We are esteemed of HIM as counterfeits: HE abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness: HE pronounceth the end of the just to be blessed, and maketh HIS boast that GOD is HIS father.

17 Let us see if HIS words be true: and let us prove what shall happen in the end of HIM.

18 For if the just man be the Son of THE MOST HIGH, HE will help HIM and deliver HIM from the hands of HIS enemies.

19 Let us examine HIM with despitefulness and torture, that we may know HIS meekness and prove HIS patience.

20
Let us condemn HIM with a shameful death: for by HIS own mouth HE shall be respected…. [/b]

This raises a number of important questions

Who is Solomon speaking of killing with a “shameful death”?
Why did the Vatican vote to have these 14 books removed from the Bible?
Why did Solomon sound so crazy and evil in this book?
It seems that Solomon was speaking of Jesus. But Jesus was born roughly 900 years after his death. Could he have prophesied Jesus’ coming? Let’s consider why this could be who Solomon was talking about;

They killed the SON with a shameful death
The SON’s actions or fashions were different from everyone else’s
HE claims to be and IS the child of The MOST HIGH
He was a righteous poor man who would look at Solomon and others like him as “counterfeits”.
HE professeth to have knowledge of The MOST HIGH
Then listen to what Solomon has to say:

HE was made to reprove (criticize) our thoughts
We are esteemed of HIM as counterfeits: HE abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness: HE pronounceth the end of the just to be blessed, and maketh HIS boast that GOD is HIS father
For if the just man be the Son of THE MOST HIGH, HE will help HIM and deliver HIM from the hands of HIS enemies.
And one last thing I would like to point out is when Solomon says;

Let us oppress the poor righteous man, let us not spare the widow, nor reverence the ancient gray hairs of the aged.
This really disrupts everything we thought we knew. Solomon really and truly sounds evil. He is also alleged to be the wisest man in history.

Whatever is really going on here, we should certainly research it further.

source: http://ariseuniverse.com

PS: I got this article from http://reflectionofmind.org/vatican-remove-14-books-bible-1684-2/

The eyes usually finds whatever it want to see...

Hnmmm. The ones wey remains, we never follow and obey them finish, you dey ask why dem remove some

you can go and confirm from your Church.... Catholics are the only church using this books you claimed they removed.

old things shall pass away but new things will come , we are living by GOD grace and by new testament were GOD salvation is sufficient for mankind that want to be save .

Oscar4real:
you can go and confirm from your Church.... Catholics are the only church using this books you claimed they removed.

He doesn't own and probably haven't read the good news Bible

OP, IF YOU ARE THAT HOLY AND WANT OR REALLY DESIRE TO BRING OUT THE TRUTH, WHY NOT GO AHEAD AND ADD THOSE BOOKS YOU CLAIM WERE REMOVED FROM THE BIBLE AND START DISTRIBUTING IT AS THE NEW BIBLE?

The question,should be why do other churches reject Goodnews bible. get one and see all the books you are looking for. better still,get a Catholic bible. Other churches rejects it because of the teachings in it.

Oscar4real:
you can go and confirm from your Church.... Catholics are the only church using this books you claimed they removed.

Sometimes you ignore this people, allow them to wallow in their ignorance.....

Udodasco1:
The question,should be why do other churches reject Goodnews bible. get one and see all the books you are looking for. better still,get a Catholic bible. Other churches rejects it because of the teachings in it.

simple and short....... Nice

The Books were not consistent with Reality.

orisa37:
The Books were not consistent with Reality.

Is being born of a virgin consistent with reality?

All those books u mentioned are in the catholic bible, That is why catholics have 73 books in their bible while protestants have 66 books in their bibles.

It is the protestants who removed the books.

Hahn, there are two types of bibles in the west, the catholic bible and the protestant bible. The catholic bible has the books above and they have been so since the 4th century as presented in the council of cathage and hippo, it was confirmed again and officially closed in the council of trent in the 16th century.
Where when protestanism began the reformers decided to mutilate the bible since is didnt support them so they removed some books about the 16th and 17th century.

It was the protestants that removed them so when next u met ur pastor ask him why?

Ubenedictus:
Hahn, there are two types of bibles in the west, the catholic bible and the protestant bible. The catholic bible has the books above and they have been so since the 4th century as presented in the council of cathage and hippo, it was confirmed again and officially closed in the council of trent in the 16th century.
Where when protestanism began the reformers decided to mutilate the bible since is didnt support them so they removed some books about the 16th and 17th century.

It was the protestants that removed them so when next u met ur pastor ask him why?

Cool

Do you mind commenting on the points in the op?

hahn:


Cool

Do you mind commenting on the points in the op?

Do you have an eye problem? or is it comprehension? is the op not address in the post u quoted?

Your op say the catholic church removed some books of the bible and listed them, i responded by telling you that tobit, sirac, macabee...etc are all in the catholic bible, the catholic church didnt remove them, it was the protestants.

Do u understand that i have addressed d points in the op?

Ubenedictus:
Do you have an eye problem? or is it comprehension? is the op not address in the post u quoted?

Your op say the catholic church removed some books of the bible and listed them, i responded by telling you that tobit, sirac, macabee...etc are all in the catholic bible, the catholic church didnt remove them, it was the protestants.

Do u understand that i have addressed d points in the op?

Christianity sprung from the catholic church. Whatever comes after that is an adulteration

Besides, you didn't address the King Solomon issue. I don't know why you sound so angry. Maybe you need to kneel down and pray for patience to have a decent conversation

Another proof that religion doesn't teach manners

hahn:


Christianity sprung from the catholic church. Whatever comes after that is an adulteration

Besides, you didn't address the King Solomon issue. I don't know why you sound so angry. Maybe you need to kneel down and pray for patience to have a decent conversation

Another proof that religion doesn't teach manners

1st i apologise for my outburst and lack of patience, and yes maybe i'll pray for more charity in discussions, i am not angry but i hate repeating myself i had already responded to ur post and asking me to respond to it again seemed like u were not reading what i wrote but instead trying to fraustrate me.

Ubenedictus:
1st i apologise for my outburst and lack of patience, and yes maybe i'll pray for more charity in discussions, i am not angry but i hate repeating myself i had already responded to ur post and asking me to respond to it again seemed like u were not reading what i wrote but instead trying to fraustrate me.

Na wa for you. I do not even know you na

Oya, what do you think about the Solomon verse?

hahn:


Christianity sprung from the catholic church. Whatever comes after that is an adulteration

Besides, you didn't address the King Solomon issue. I don't know why you sound so angry. Maybe you need to kneel down and pray for patience to have a decent conversation

Another proof that religion doesn't teach manners

As for the wisdom of solomon, that book is also found in the catholic bible and the passage quote has a lot of parallels to the passion of Christ.

Ubenedictus:
As for the wisdom of solomon, that book is also found in the catholic bible and the passage quote has a lot of parallels to the passion of Christ.

The catholic church is the foundation of Christianity. Am I right?

hahn:


Na wa for you. I do not even know you na

Oya, what do you think about the Solomon verse?

In those verse solomon doesnt apear to be wicked instead he is telling us how the wicked think.
v1 And this is the false argument they use, 'Our life is short and dreary, there is no remedy when our end comes, no one is known to have
come back from Hades.

IN VERSE 1 he begins by telling us d way d wicked justify their sins
SEE HOW HE CONCLUDES THE CHAPTER

21 This is the way they reason, but they are misled, since their malice makes them blind. 22 They do not know the hidden things of God, they do not hope for the reward of holiness, they do not believe in a reward for blameless souls. 23 For God created human beings to be immortal, he made them as an image of his own nature; 24 Death came into the world only through the Devil's envy, as those who belong to him find
to their cost. www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?bible_chapter=2&id=27

hahn:


The catholic church is the foundation of Christianity. Am I right?

the apostles are the foundations of christianity, the catholic church is the community they founded.

hahn:


Na wa for you. I do not even know you na

Oya, what do you think about the Solomon verse?

To get the full gist i encourage u to read the book from the begining. www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=27&bible_chapter=1

hahn:
The Vatican church, or the Roman Catholic church, has a long history of corruption and deception.

Why Did The Vatican Remove 14 Books From The Bible in 1684?
John Peterson | March 8, 2017 | World
The Vatican church, or the Roman Catholic church, has a long history of corruption and deception.



In the year 1611 the Bible was translated from Latin into English. Back then the Bible contained a total of 80 books and the last 14 books, which today have been excluded, made up the end of the Old Testament and were as follows:

1 Esdras
2 Esdras
Tobit
Judith
The rest of Esther
The Wisdom of Solomon
Ecclesiasticus
Baruch with the epistle Jeremiah
The Songs of the 3 Holy children
The history of Susana
bel and the dragon
The prayer for Manasses
1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees

In 1684 all of these books were removed from all versions except for a 1611 edition, which was the very first edition translated into English.

In this first edition you will also actually find that Jesus’ name is spelled IESUS and pronounced Yahashua. So why then does everyone continue to call him Jesus, when the letter J did not even being used at the time?

One of these books that is particularly interesting, is the “Wisdom of Solomon”. For those who don’t know Solomon is one of the most legendary characters from the Bible. He was the son of David and is alleged to be the wisest man that has ever lived. He is painted largely as a benevolent figure. But what you read in this book will make you question everything you were told to believe about him.

Observe the following excerpt;

[b]Wisdom of Solomon 2:1-24

1 For the ungodly said reasoning with them selves, but not aright, our life is short and tedious and in death of a man there is no remedy: neither was there any man known to have returned from the grave.

2 For we are born at all adventure: and we shall be hereafter as though we had never been: for the breath of our nostrils is as smoke, and the little spark in the moving of our heart

3 Which being extinguished, our body shall be turned into ashes, and our spirit shall vanish as the soft air,

4 And our name shall be forgotten in time, and no man shall have our works in remembrance, and our life shall pass away as the trace of a cloud, and shall be dispersed as a mist, that is driven away, with the beams of the sun, and overcome with the heat thereof.

5 For our time is very shadow that passeth away; and after our end there is no returning: for it is fast sealed, so that no man cometh again.

6 Come on there for let us enjoy the good things that are present: and let us speedily use the creatures like as in youth.

7 Let us fill ourselves with costly wine and ointments: and let no flower of the Spring pass by us.

8 Let us crown ourselves with rosebuds, before they be withered:

9 Let none of us go without his part of our voluptuousness: let us leave tokens of our joyfulness in every place: for this is our portion and our lot is this.

10 Let us oppress the poor righteous man, let us not spare the widow, nor reverence the ancient gray hairs of the aged.

11 Let our strength be the law of justice: for that which is feeble is found to be nothing worth.

12 Therefore let us lie in wait for the righteous; because HE is not of our turn, and HE is clean contrary to our doings. He upbraideth us with our offending of the law, and ojecteth to our infamy the transgression of our education.

13 HE professeth to have the knowledge of the MOST HIGH, and calleth HIS self the child of the LORD.

14 HE was made to reprove our thoughts

15 HE is grievous unto us even to behold, for HIS life is not like other men’s, HIS ways are of another fashion.

16 We are esteemed of HIM as counterfeits: HE abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness: HE pronounceth the end of the just to be blessed, and maketh HIS boast that GOD is HIS father.

17 Let us see if HIS words be true: and let us prove what shall happen in the end of HIM.

18 For if the just man be the Son of THE MOST HIGH, HE will help HIM and deliver HIM from the hands of HIS enemies.

19 Let us examine HIM with despitefulness and torture, that we may know HIS meekness and prove HIS patience.

20
Let us condemn HIM with a shameful death: for by HIS own mouth HE shall be respected…. [/b]

This raises a number of important questions

Who is Solomon speaking of killing with a “shameful death”?
Why did the Vatican vote to have these 14 books removed from the Bible?
Why did Solomon sound so crazy and evil in this book?
It seems that Solomon was speaking of Jesus. But Jesus was born roughly 900 years after his death. Could he have prophesied Jesus’ coming? Let’s consider why this could be who Solomon was talking about;

They killed the SON with a shameful death
The SON’s actions or fashions were different from everyone else’s
HE claims to be and IS the child of The MOST HIGH
He was a righteous poor man who would look at Solomon and others like him as “counterfeits”.
HE professeth to have knowledge of The MOST HIGH
Then listen to what Solomon has to say:

HE was made to reprove (criticize) our thoughts
We are esteemed of HIM as counterfeits: HE abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness: HE pronounceth the end of the just to be blessed, and maketh HIS boast that GOD is HIS father
For if the just man be the Son of THE MOST HIGH, HE will help HIM and deliver HIM from the hands of HIS enemies.
And one last thing I would like to point out is when Solomon says;

Let us oppress the poor righteous man, let us not spare the widow, nor reverence the ancient gray hairs of the aged.
This really disrupts everything we thought we knew. Solomon really and truly sounds evil. He is also alleged to be the wisest man in history.

Whatever is really going on here, we should certainly research it further.

source: http://ariseuniverse.com

PS: I got this article from http://reflectionofmind.org/vatican-remove-14-books-bible-1684-2/

I just delve into this portion of the site for the first time and may be for a reason.
The books were removed because the authorship were in doubt.
Many people take the undue advantage that the Bible was to be compiled into single entity to bring all junks in the names that would look acceptable.
The canonizers used their God-given experience to detect these and removed them.They are referred to as Apocryphal.
.

oyejideogunjumo:
I just delve into this portion of the site for the first time and may be for a reason.
The books were removed because the authorship were in doubt.
Many people take the undue advantage that the Bible was to be compiled into single entity to bring all junks in the names that would look acceptable.
The canonizers used their God-given experience to detect these and removed them.They are referred to as Apocryphal.
.

It wasn't the canonisers who removed those books, infact those book can be found in the original list of books that were canonised. They were removed in the 16th and 17th century by the protestant heretics erm reformers.

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hahn:


The catholic church is the foundation of Christianity. Am I right?

Seems i mentioned u on d wrong thread.

Just wanted to know if u have other questions b4 i leave nairaland.

Ubenedictus:
Seems i mentioned u on d wrong thread.

Just wanted to know if u have other questions b4 i leave nairaland.

Lol. Not at all

I was wondering why no one was answering the op on what is simply a question of his comprehension of English. Thanks for this reply.....saved me from a whole lot of typing.

Ubenedictus:
In those verse solomon doesnt apear to be wicked instead he is telling us how the wicked think.
v1 And this is the false argument they use, 'Our life is short and dreary, there is no remedy when our end comes, no one is known to have
come back from Hades.

IN VERSE 1 he begins by telling us d way d wicked justify their sins
SEE HOW HE CONCLUDES THE CHAPTER

21 This is the way they reason, but they are misled, since their malice makes them blind. 22 They do not know the hidden things of God, they do not hope for the reward of holiness, they do not believe in a reward for blameless souls. 23 For God created human beings to be immortal, he made them as an image of his own nature; 24 Death came into the world only through the Devil's envy, as those who belong to him find
to their cost. www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?bible_chapter=2&id=27

this is blatantly incorrect, the catholics and other orthodox sects use these books that you just mentioned above. they are many types of bible and all of them varies in the number of books they comprise and even the usage and combination of these books.the

- The Septuagint ; this is used by catholics and other orthodox sects, it contains 77 books which includes the ones supposedly removed above. [ the books mentioned above are known as deuterocanonical books ]

- the protestant bible on the other hand lacks the books highlighted above, reason as argued is that these deuterocanonical books were not in the original canon of the jews and therefore cannot be sorely trusted as part of the inspired books.

So OP i wonder what you mean by vatican removing these books from the bible, last i checked the vatican was a catholic institution not protestant.

johnydon22:
this is blatantly incorrect, the catholics and other orthodox sects use these books that you just mentioned above. they are many types of bible and all of them varies in the number of books they comprise and even the usage and combination of these books.the

- The Septuagint ; this is used by catholics and other orthodox sects, it contains 77 books which includes the ones supposedly removed above. [ the books mentioned above are known as deuterocanonical books ]

- the protestant bible on the other hand lacks the books highlighted above, reason as argued is that these deuterocanonical books were not in the original canon of the jews and therefore cannot be sorely trusted as part of the inspired books.

So OP i wonder what you mean by vatican removing these books from the bible, last i checked the vatican was a catholic institution not protestant.

I hope you noticed there is a link, even two, to the source of the story