This is why Moslems/ Christians have issues.

It is about Jesus, God and Allah.

Read this and follow the statements slowly take note of each word.


God is the Almighty, the Ancient of Days.
HE IS INVINCIBLE all powerful, all knowing THE FATHER.

The holy Spirit (Spirit of God) Came upon Mary and it was said, That which you shall give birth to, is the son of God. Luke 1 vs 37.

God who is a spirit, has a spirit. Wonderful!!!!

Now, God Almighty is invincible.

From the SPIRIT OF GOD AND HIS POWER Jesus was conceived. Luke 1 vs 35.

Now think...........God Almighty is invincible, UNSEEN, The all knowing, all powerful.

Suddenly, there came through him, a physical bodily being, not from sperm and egg. (Pause here)

John 1 vs 18......No man hath seen God anytime. But the son declare him.

Jesus said.....

The father judge No man. He has committed the judgement to the Son.

Why will God do that? He said " because he is the son of man".

Meaning........?

God in man form, judging man.

(Pause Here. Do not forget God as the invincible and Jesus his bodily form).


Jesus made a lot of clear distinctions between him and the father,

." I can of my own self do nothing. AS I HEAR I JUDGE. Talking about hearing from the father.

The disciples said show us the father. He replied

If you have seen me, you have seen the father. Why look for the Father? (Take note of the clear distinction that I mentioned and yet, this statement)


Isaiah said, " Unto us a son is given. His name shall be called THE EVERLASTING FATHER. (Pause here. A son, being called EVERLASTING FATHER.)

Jesus said.... I and my father are one.

Lastly, John 16 vs 27.....The father loves you because you believe that I CAME OUT FROM GOD.

Summary: When you glorify Jesus, You Glorify God in bodily form. I and my father are one.

If I say " God Almighty, thank you for my life" I speak about him as THE UNSEEN , ALMIGHTY GOD.

IF I say, Jesus I worship you,
It means I am referring to the bodily form of the ALMIGHTY. I AM STILL WORSHIPING GOD.

The Christians worship no other God, than The Almighty, the unseen, whose name is YAWEH.

Worshiping any other God is Idolatry.

Whom "you call" Allah.

WHAT ARE YOU EVEN SAYING?

Is that not What you were born to believe

Muslims are also born to believe What they believed!

At the end of the line we are only practicing religion by inheritance believe it or not

Now, Sango has a mode of worship, prayer, teachings, style, etc. This includes all other gods.

Yahweh and Allah who we call God Almighty,has different style of worship, teachings, style, etc.

It is evidently clear that they are not the same.

Moslem FAITHFULS might want to indeed worship the Almighty, but we have a problem here.

Christians worship God Almighty too.

Why are their ways different?

Is it possible that one of them ( Yahweh, Allah) is not who it was meant to be?

This is the main problem. This is where we difer.

I will furnish you with Yaweh's way. Do same with Allah.

You will see a clear difference.

THUNDAR:
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN SAYING?

Everything I said is from the scriptures.


There is no Assumption whatsoever.

Following

mimopel:
Following

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Well done.

Now, I Introduce to you The Almighty God, God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

1. In Creation God said; Come LET US creat man in our Image and after be our likeness.(Genesis)

At the tower of Babel he said....This people will not be restrained from what they have set to do. Come LET US go down and confound their language. (Genesis )

Let Us? Definitely, not the angels.

God Almighty spoke as though he was calling out somebody.

Jesus said in John ....

If you love me, and keep my words, WE will come to you and make OUR abode with you.

Clearly, John 14 vs 18 - 23 is talking about The Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit. ( This is not by interpretation. It is clearly written there)

Point Number One.......God Almighty is one and only true God...with "some associates" which are of Himself.

2. He introduced himself to Abraham and said.....

I am the Almighty God. Walk before me and be thou Perfect.

Be perfect? Ha!! Blasphemy!!! How?.... By his Mercy, our Perfection is certain if we obey him. Eventho In our weakness, he wants perfection from a mere dust.

Oh. What a loving God.


3. God said.... I will NOT HIDE anything from my servant Abraham. He was talking about Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Here, Abraham was pleading with God for the sake of this city.

Abraham: Abegi, if we see 50 righteous people? You go destroy the city?

God: No

Abraham: I know am a dust. No vex. What of 40? Would you?

God: No

He went on to 45, 40,30,20 righteous people. Each time, each responce.Imagine!!!

Like a conversation between two intimate Persons?.....God Almighty and Man!!!!!!!!

Isaiah 63 vs 16...O Lord thou art Our Father
Jeremiah 3 vs 19..... I said ,you shall call me MY FATHER

Allah cannot and should not be called FATHER.

It is blasphemy.

YAweh is happy if you do especially if you honour him. He said .....I will HONOR those that HONOUR ME.

God honouring man. Blasphemy again? Nah. He said it himself.

I have painted the image of an Almighty God who is Loving, Patient with man, and wants to be called Father.

Jesus called him FATHER.

I am building his personality. Pls follow me small small.

3. He is a dreadful God in Judgement. When he promised the Israelites, they disbelieved
(On entering into Cannan)
People below 20 perished in the wilderness. Hundreds of thousands died in the wilderness.
Their children were then given the Land.

He is merciful, patient but fearful. That is his Almightiness.

Be careful.


4. Let's look at his throne.

He is sitted between the Cherubims. Whose wings cover the throne. (The ark of convenant has this set up, and other verses confirmed this)

There are 24 elders, which cast down their crowns. There are angels.

They all say.... HOLY Holy Lord God Almighty. The Earth is full of his glory.

Please compare this throne with that of Allah. I will study this too.

We will compare his mode of worship, and other aspects. If they are the same God, these comparisons should agree.

These are pictures of the Ancient Synagogue.Where God Almighty was being worshiped.

No Moon Shape at the top. Right?

Place of worship, clearly different.

You seem determined to confuse yourself and confuse everyone else.

Prayer. We don't face a particular place to pray.

Prayers have no time.

Even before christ, there was no place for ablution before worship.

Are they still the same God? Despite all these differences?

I will speak Lastly on Sacrifice and remission of sins.

This aspect is very important.

Pls give me some hours.

EazyMoh:
You seem determined to confuse yourself and confuse everyone else.

Yes. There is a confusion. But I am not confused.

The confusion is this:

God Almighty....... God,........ Christians.
God Almighty,........ Allah,....... Muslims

With A lot of difference....

Who is serving the Almighty God?

Nobody should say they are the same Anymore.

PLS, NOT ANYMORE.

Originakalokalo:






Yes. There is a confusion. But I am not confused.

The confusion is this:

God Almighty....... God,........ Christians.
God Almighty,........ Allah,....... Muslims

With A lot of difference....

Who is serving the Almighty God?

Nobody should say they are the same Anymore.

PLS, NOT ANYMORE.

The same Christian God Yahweh Jews can claim you aren't worshiping the same God with then. Simply because you understand them differently.
Or is that what you are saying? That Christian and Jews have two different Yahwehs?

EazyMoh:
You seem determined to confuse yourself and confuse everyone else.

And many of the Jews said,

He hath a devil, and is mad. Why hear ye him?

Others said....These are not the words of him that hath the devil. Can a devil do these wonderful works?

And there was division among the Jews.

I am not confused sir. No nobody should.

EazyMoh:

The same Christian God Yahweh Jews can claim you aren't worshiping the same God with then. Simply because you understand them differently.
Or is that what you are saying? That Christian and Jews have two different Yahwehs?

Let me explain the division among the Jews.


Moses gave them the law, mode of worship, etc.

The prophets had hundreds of prophesies about the Messiah.

They were all Expecting him. Place of birth, works, wisdom, signs, etc.

Christ came, and fulfill all the prophesies. Note the way film writers bring about the fulfillment of prophesies. It is how you least expect it.(just saying)

. " To them" very two basic ones were not fulfilled.



1. He was killed on the cross. The scriptures says. Cursed is he that hang on a tree.

Their Messiah? Killed on the cross? Someone that should restore the kingdom of Israel to them? Their king?......

No way!!!!!

Hence, Christ was rejected on this account.

Let's see some facts here before I go to the second point.

A. Jesus was crucified. Islam say otherwise?

Ask the Jews.

B. Their Messiah should not hang on the tree.

C. Their Messiah should restore the kingdom of Israel.

These are the reasons why some rejected Christ and rejected that we serve their Yaweh.

In Israel however, His disciples believed him. They were Jews.

To the extents of yielding to terrible deaths.

Paul was seriously persecuting those that believe on this same reason.

Later, he became the pioneer of the Gospel to the non- Jews.

There are other Christian Jew in the present day Israel. I watch them preach in the name of Jesus.

We don't serve different Yaweh. Some of them think so on the ground of the Messianic Prophesy.

I will give you some prophesies about Messiah, and you will see where they are wrong.

1. By their father Jacob. Gen 49 vs 10
Thousands of before christ.He was blessings Judah his son.

"The symbol of Authority shall not depart from Judah (Judah his son) Until Shiloh shall come. And unto him shall the GATHERING OF THE PEOPLE BE.

People, Nations and tribe gathered unto Christ. He is from Judah.

First you have to know that Almighty God didn't send people here to worship or serve him. The purpose of our being here is to make findings and discoveries of things of nature, make the universe greater by exploring it, etc. Yahweh, Allah, Moloch, Mazda, Vishnu, Baal and thousands of gods who were all created by God Almighty lost focus and turned the topic of discussion into religion and worshipping, but it's time to redirect our focus and face our purpose for life.

This one is not a prophesy. Let's see what happened in Exodus 12.

Summary.....

Children of Israel were in Egypt. Bondage.

For Salvation to come, God asked them to get a LAMB WITHOUT BLEMISH.

They should kill the Lamb and sprinkle the blood on their door post.

The Angel visited Egypt and killed all the First born.

Once the angel sees the blood, he will not enter that house.

If any Israel is in another room where there was no blood? And he happens to be a First born?

Hehehe......he is a goner.

What if an Egyptian find his way in a house with blood?…(These are possibilities) and he is a first born?

He would be saved.


1. Could God deliver the Israelites without these things in place? Yes he can. He is Almighty.

2. Why did he ask them to do this things as a memorial?

So that they won't forget? and when they see a similar situation as described in their prophesy they will remember?

Instead, they stopped these things completely and mixed with the World.


Jesus is the lamb....... without blemish.... Righteous

The Blood is needed to be saved. Same as now.

Egypt is the present world that do not know God. Egyptians are the people of the world.

Israelites are the Children of God in the world.

When the destruction of God will come, those with the blood of Jesus, the Lamb , will be spared.

Let's go back to the prophesy.

Is he really the lamb?

2. Shall be called God's Son.

Psalm 2 vs 1 -12.

Thou art my son, today I have begotten thee.

3. Shall be born of a virgin. Isaiah 7 vs 14.

Behold, the Lord himself shall give you a sign. A virgin shall conceive.......and shall call his name Emmanuel. Emmanuel means God is with us.

Shall be of the Descendant of David.

Isaiah 11 vs 1


A rod shall come forth out of Jesse. And a branch from his root. The spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him. He shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth


As A Lamb.....
Isaiah 53 vs 7.

He was oppressed and was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth.He is brought as a Lamb to the slaughter. Yet, he opened not his mouth.


To preach good news..... To heal the broken hearted, to set the captives free......To loose those that are bound.

Isaiah 61 vs 1.

Jesus quoted this and told the Jews that today, this promise is fulfilled in your eyes.

Micah 5 vs 2.

Shall be born in Bethlehem.

.. Bethlehem, out of you the ruler of Israel shall come forth.

Whose goings forth has been FROM EVERLASTING.

See?

They looked forward to him restoring the kingdom of Israel. Even Jesus disciples asked him when he is going to restore the kingdom of Israel.

Shall ride upon a Colt

Shall be sold for thirty piei of Silver

Shall be pierced . Was pierced with sword on the cross.

All fulfilled in Zechariah 9vs 9. Zechariah 11 vs 12- 13. Zechariah 12 vs 10

Lastly, John the Baptist, feared greatly by the Jews we said

Behold the Lamb of God that carry away the sins of the world.
Many Jews believed thru this testimony

Shall ride upon a Colt

Shall be sold for thirty piei of Silver

Shall be pierced . Was pierced with sword on the cross.

All fulfilled in Zechariah 9vs 9. Zechariah 11 vs 12- 13. Zechariah 12 vs 10

Lastly, John the Baptist, feared greatly by the Jews we said

Behold the Lamb of God that carry away the sins of the world.

Many Jews believed Jesus because of this testimony.

The kingdom of Jesus is an Everlasting Kingdom.

Which is the kingdom of God.

When the disciples asked him, When are you going to restore the kingdom of Israel? He said....It is not meant for you to know the time of the kingdom.

When Jesus died, the Jews were under the Roman Rule

No kingdom, no Liberation.

But this kingdom that was prophesied to be everlasting, IS NOT THE EARTHLY KINGDOM.

No earthly kingdom can be everlasting. Not if the world will pass away.

They failed to realize this.

That is the reason for the division.

They're still waiting for the Messiah.

So, we that believe are serving another God.

This is why they think so.

0temAtum:
First you have to know that Almighty God didn't send people here to worship or serve him. The purpose of our being here is to make findings and discoveries of things of nature, make the universe greater by exploring it, etc. Yahweh, Allah, Moloch, Mazda, Vishnu, Baal and thousands of gods who were all created by God Almighty lost focus and turned the topic of discussion into religion and worshipping, but it's time to redirect our focus and face our purpose for life.

God introduced himself to Moses as Yaweh. Exodus 6.

So, God cannot creat Yaweh. Lies from the pit of hell.

God destryed the Philistines because they worship Baal. Baal created by God? Another Lie.

Thou shall not worship any other gods except me. Ten commandments.


Who are those other man- made gods u mentioned?

I have not heard of them.

Am sure they are useless.

I will conclude this thread soon.


With the last issue of sacrifice and purification of sins.

Then we will compare it with what is obtainable in Islam.


Then a new thread will be created about The Bible.

Compilation/ Messages, of the Bible.

Originakalokalo:


God introduced himself to Moses as Yaweh. Exodus 6.

So, God cannot creat Yaweh. Lies from the pit of hell.

God destryed the Philistines because they worship Baal. Baal created by God? Another Lie.

Thou shall not worship any other gods except me. Ten commandments.


Who are those other man- made gods u mentioned?

I have not heard of them.

Am sure they are useless.

Majority of people in India have not heard of Yahweh. There Vishnu is their god. Yahweh isn't known in Arab countries, Allah is their god there. However, all of them are children of God Almighty. God Almighty created them all, but they all impersonate God Almighty there father. Well... it's allowed but the fact remains that God created them all. Yahweh himself cannot publicly say that God Almighty is not his father. Ask him in your prayers. Peace

0temAtum:
Majority of people in India have not heard of Yahweh. There Vishnu is their god. Yahweh isn't known in Arab countries, Allah is their god there. However, all of them are children of God Almighty. God Almighty created them all, but they all impersonate God Almighty there father. Well... it's allowed but the fact remains that God created them all. Yahweh himself cannot publicly say that God Almighty is not his father. Ask him in your prayers. Peace

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