asuustrike2009:

The original rebellion was initiated by two angels of Lucifer called Belial and Leviathan. The two angels told Lucifer that he should be like God. The question Lucifer why should he work for God? And that he should be running things in the universe instead of taking orders from Yahweh. At first Lucifer declined. He refused to rebel against Yahweh. The lord casted those angels into hell for counseling rebillion,. This made Lucifer upset with God because they were his two closest friends. He told Yahweh that if he punished his friends he rather remain king in hell than to continue to be servant in heaven. Lucifer then left heaven on his own( at that time he wasn't casted yet) and went to hell to be with his friends. However, when he got there he didn't like the place at all. When he got there he realized that he had made a mistake rather than seeking for repentance and mercy he decided to fight Yahweh. Lucifer was able to convince 1/3 of the trillions of angels by appealing to them that Yahweh's government was unjust and dishonest. He told them that he would establish a better and more equitable government. He promised the angels greater positions of authority in the universe. Interesting Yahweh didn't interfer in what he plotted.he allowed them just as he gives moral beings the choice to choose. The battle started and there was war in heaven. The one third of angels fought together with Lucifer, Leviathan and Belial. They lost the battle and were thrown down to the earth.

Apologies o, how did u get this please because m flummoxed right now

DonBobes:


Apologies o, how did u get this please because m flummoxed right now

That is not in the Bible.

Pls disregard it.

asuustrike2009:

The original rebellion was initiated by two angels of Lucifer called Belial and Leviathan. The two angels told Lucifer that he should be like God. The question Lucifer why should he work for God? And that he should be running things in the universe instead of taking orders from Yahweh. At first Lucifer declined. He refused to rebel against Yahweh. The lord casted those angels into hell for counseling rebillion,. This made Lucifer upset with God because they were his two closest friends. He told Yahweh that if he punished his friends he rather remain king in hell than to continue to be servant in heaven. Lucifer then left heaven on his own( at that time he wasn't casted yet) and went to hell to be with his friends. However, when he got there he didn't like the place at all. When he got there he realized that he had made a mistake rather than seeking for repentance and mercy he decided to fight Yahweh. Lucifer was able to convince 1/3 of the trillions of angels by appealing to them that Yahweh's government was unjust and dishonest. He told them that he would establish a better and more equitable government. He promised the angels greater positions of authority in the universe. Interesting Yahweh didn't interfer in what he plotted.he allowed them just as he gives moral beings the choice to choose. The battle started and there was war in heaven. The one third of angels fought together with Lucifer, Leviathan and Belial. They lost the battle and were thrown down to the earth.
You may be wondering how I got this? I got it through revelation, rhema

Now I see

E b like say i go cut 5 here coz m really interested in dis story.
Mak i carry my sleeping materials Abeg

Originakalokalo:



Gbam!!!

Let's create man in our image after our LIKENESS.

man is body, soul and Spirit

In our LIKENESS?

Think!!!!

I mean the 'OUR' he talked about isn't angels but himself (the trinity)

Originakalokalo:



That is not in the Bible.

Pls disregard it.

I know its not
He sed thru revelation n I don't c dat as bn wrong in any way

asuustrike2009:

The original rebellion was initiated by two angels of Lucifer called Belial and Leviathan. The two angels told Lucifer that he should be like God. The question Lucifer why should he work for God? And that he should be running things in the universe instead of taking orders from Yahweh. At first Lucifer declined. He refused to rebel against Yahweh. The lord casted those angels into hell for counseling rebillion,. This made Lucifer upset with God because they were his two closest friends. He told Yahweh that if he punished his friends he rather remain king in hell than to continue to be servant in heaven. Lucifer then left heaven on his own( at that time he wasn't casted yet) and went to hell to be with his friends. However, when he got there he didn't like the place at all. When he got there he realized that he had made a mistake rather than seeking for repentance and mercy he decided to fight Yahweh. Lucifer was able to convince 1/3 of the trillions of angels by appealing to them that Yahweh's government was unjust and dishonest. He told them that he would establish a better and more equitable government. He promised the angels greater positions of authority in the universe. Interesting Yahweh didn't interfer in what he plotted.he allowed them just as he gives moral beings the choice to choose. The battle started and there was war in heaven. The one third of angels fought together with Lucifer, Leviathan and Belial. They lost the battle and were thrown down to the earth.

The following points make me reject this Revelation"

1. It is not scriptural. During the fall, Leviathan and Belial were not mentioned. The Bible is the center of all Revelation.

2. The Bible recorded that Pride made Lucifer to fall. Not anger towards "Injustice"

3. No angel will speak of God's " Injustice"

Lucifer was always in the presence of God, moving in the place of God's fire.

He wasn't an errand Arch angel.

If he left "to go and meet his friends in hell"

That is a sin already because he has left his original place.

God Will not allow him to come back and then start a fight.


The Bible mention Leviathan as a piercing SERPENT.

The Serpent is the devil.

Originakalokalo:



The following points make me reject this Revelation"

1. It is not scriptural. During the fall, Leviathan and Belial were not mentioned. The Bible is the center of all Revelation.

2. The Bible recorded that Pride made Lucifer to fall. Not anger towards "Injustice"

3. No angel will speak of God's " Injustice"

Lucifer was always in the presence of God, moving in the place of God's fire.

He wasn't an errand Arch angel.

If he left "to go and meet his friends in hell"

That is a sin already because he has left his original place.

God Will not allow him to come back and then start a fight.


The Bible mention Leviathan as a piercing SERPENT.

The Serpent is the devil.

Lucifer is and will remain a pride being. But how the pride set in was what was illustrated in my article. This is based on revelations and studies from the scriptures and books. There are some hidden truth that man can't understand. This is revealed from the scriptures were it say in 1 Cor 2:10 "But it was to us that God revealed these things by his Spirit. For his Spirit searches out everything and shows us God's deep secrets"

I said before that Devil and his Principalities cannot work directly on Earth because the church is present.


They are hindered from working directly by the Holy Ghost.

If the church is present, the holy Spirit is present.

asuustrike2009:

The original rebellion was initiated by two angels of Lucifer called Belial and Leviathan. The two angels told Lucifer that he should be like God. The question Lucifer why should he work for God? And that he should be running things in the universe instead of taking orders from Yahweh. At first Lucifer declined. He refused to rebel against Yahweh. The lord casted those angels into hell for counseling rebillion,. This made Lucifer upset with God because they were his two closest friends. He told Yahweh that if he punished his friends he rather remain king in hell than to continue to be servant in heaven. Lucifer then left heaven on his own( at that time he wasn't casted yet) and went to hell to be with his friends. However, when he got there he didn't like the place at all. When he got there he realized that he had made a mistake rather than seeking for repentance and mercy he decided to fight Yahweh. Lucifer was able to convince 1/3 of the trillions of angels by appealing to them that Yahweh's government was unjust and dishonest. He told them that he would establish a better and more equitable government. He promised the angels greater positions of authority in the universe. Interesting Yahweh didn't interfer in what he plotted.he allowed them just as he gives moral beings the choice to choose. The battle started and there was war in heaven. The one third of angels fought together with Lucifer, Leviathan and Belial. They lost the battle and were thrown down to the earth.

Jesus!! What a misfortune, they all lost it.. Too bad for them. See maturity, the Lord did not even interfere in their plans, he let them drive themselves to their doom unhm, this is spectacular. And Michael and his Angels did justice to them that's good for them, next time Lucifer will learn how to surround himself with good friends and wise counselors lolzz.

Originakalokalo:


I said before that Devil and his Principalities cannot work directly on Earth because the church is present.


They are hindered from working directly by the Holy Ghost.

If the church is present, the holy Spirit is present.

where-is-the-devil-working-from:-And-how-is-he-able-to-possesse-some-pple-if-he-is-not-working-directly-on-earth?

Interesting read but the op should understand something there are more than 3 Arch Angels even after lucifer fell.. And everything cannot be written in the scripture, Apostle John confirms that, if everything Jesus did were to be written in the scripture, the world won't be able to contain it. There are some things Jesus did and told his disciples to write and there are some he told them never to write or tell anyone and there are some they are permitted to write only after his ascension. As we have the scripture on earth here we also have in heaven, but the one in heaven is entirely voluminous than the one on earth. So if you want to know more, you seek.

MsNgo40:



Ok....so the brother said it was from a book......which explains it more clearly.
We shouldn't take away Lucifer's role in this controversy.....
He wasn't swayed by anyone....sin arose in his own heart...
I guess where I'm having difficulty is the part about you saying that Lucifer was not wanting to rebel against God. Not only did he rebel, but he swayed 1/3 (of probably miliions) of the angels to agree with him.
Lucifer did that.....by himself.
Remember correct interpretation of scripture should be the basis for making statements....
However, i do tend to agree with a number of your posts in general.
This one.....ummmm....

do you think good deeds or sin just arose from people's heart, lolzz, at that moment there will be a demon or an angel staying behind and marketing you, giving you correct marketing in order to buy his idea by the time you now key into it then that desire will now arise from your heart to do what he's been marketing to you. That's why it's better to fill your heart with the word of God in order to counter the wiles and the deception of the devil.

Tosinex:
Jesus!! What a misfortune, they all lost it.. Too bad for them. See maturity, the Lord did not even interfere in their plans, he let them drive themselves to their doom unhm, this is spectacular. And Michael and his Angels did justice to them that's good for them, next time Lucifer will learn how to surround himself with good friends and wise counselors lolzz.

You're funny. . God has always given his creation choice to choose good or evil

Originakalokalo:



Gbam!!!

Let's create man in our image after our LIKENESS.

man is body, soul and Spirit

In our LIKENESS?

Think!!!!

this is just the perfect answer as to our originality as Sons of God as against the Angels.. However Angels are also Sons of God, remember Job 1. When Angels appear on earth, do they appear with wings, capital NO! Some of us have even entertained Angels Unaware.

asuustrike2009:

You're funny. . God has always given his creation choice to choose good or evil

yes ooooo, he let himself to be marketed by leviathan and belial.. May God deliver us from wicked marketing lolzz

Tosinex:
this is just the perfect answer as to our originality as Sons of God as against the Angels.. However Angels are also Sons of God, remember Job 1. When Angels appear on earth, do they appear with wings, capital NO! Some of us have even entertained Angels Unaware.

Yeah. True.

Tosinex post=61684257[b:
]do you think good deeds or sin just arose from people's heart, lolzz, at that moment there will be a demon or an angel staying behind and marketing you, giving you correct marketing in order to buy his idea by the time you now key into it then that desire will now arise from your heart to do what he's been marketing to you. [/b]That's why it's better to fill your heart with the word of God in order to counter the wiles and the deception of the devil.

Hi brother,
I'm not quite sure I understand the part in bold print? But yes, you are right about what us humans need to do....

MsNgo40:


Hi brother,
I'm not quite sure I understand the part in bold print? But yes, you are right about what us humans need to do....

There is a demon trying to sell an idea to you.

Once you have bought it,

That evil desire will then rise in your heart.

For instance,

Fornication starts from simple look.
Then the idea is given.

Then there is acceptance.

Then the man starts to plan and finally executes it.


I believe that is what he is trying to say.

asuustrike2009:

Lucifer is and will remain a pride being. But how the pride set in was what was illustrated in my article. This is based on revelations and studies from the scriptures and books. There are some hidden truth that man can't understand. This is revealed from the scriptures were it say in 1 Cor 2:10 "But it was to us that God revealed these things by his Spirit. For his Spirit searches out everything and shows us God's deep secrets"

We are also asked to test all Spirits.

To see whether they are of God.

MsNgo40:


Hi brother,
I'm not quite sure I understand the part in bold print? But yes, you are right about what us humans need to do....

OK, you see, when you see a bundle of currency note on the floor, your thought will counsel you, which arises from the table of your mind, whatever dominate your mind at that time will give you the counsel you will follow, your mind is just like a room with an open door, connected to the spiritual. Within this door is the voice of good and evil. And whichever voice you've listened to will sit at the table of your mind directing you, while the other is still within the door, trying hard for you to hearken to its voice. Fill your heart with the word of God, so you will be able to recognize the tactics of the devil and then rebuke him to flee..

Tosinex:
OK, you see, when you see a bundle of currency note on the floor, your thought will counsel you, which arises from the table of your mind, whatever dominate your mind at that time will give you the counsel you will follow, your mind is just like a room with an open door, connected to the spiritual. Within this door is the voice of good and evil. And whichever voice you've listened to will sit at the table of your mind directing you, while the other is still within the door, trying hard for you to hearken to its voice. Fill your heart with the word of God, so you will be able to recognize the tactics of the devil and then rebuke him to flee..

Exactly.

God bless you.

Apostle Paul says to whom you give yourself to obey, you are his servant.

asuustrike2009:

There are things we don't know but beyond human comprehension. The history behind this was what was given. Do you think Lucifer just woke and started thinking of becoming like God? Such though never came to him. In the process of thinking that Leviathan and Belial brought such thoughts to him that's why in Isaiah 14:12-17 say " How art thou fallen from heaven, o Lucifer son of the morning star! How art thou cut down to the ground, in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exhalt the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north. Like the most high. Yet thou shall be brought down to hell,to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee,saying, is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms, that made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof, that opened not the house of his prisoners "
So the thought of being rebellious didn't spring forth just like that. It was initiated by those angels now demons.
It was when Yahweh casted them down to the earth that was when Lucifer decided to be rebellious as seen in Isaiah 14:12-17. He was able to convince half the angels to rebel against God as we see the battle in Rev 12:3-4 and 7-9. Lucifer was thrown down to the earth and was defeated.

Bro let's critically analyze this. If leviathian and his friend beliah really brought up the idea of rebellion to Satan, then that means, THEY WERE THE FIRST ENEMIES OF GOD. THEN THAT MEANS, THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE MAIN DEVIL. THEN THAT MEANS JESUS WOULD HAVE SAID THAT HELL WAS MADE for Leviathan AND BELIAH.....BUT HE SAID IT WAS MADE FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS. bro with utmost respect to u, please cast this idea aside. I once believed this after reading one book like that. The ruler of darkness was not deceived by anyone. Jesus said he was the first murderer. The father of lies. Peace bro

nnamdiosu:


Bro let's critically analyze this. If leviathian and his friend beliah really brought up the idea of rebellion to Satan, then that means, THEY WERE THE FIRST ENEMIES OF GOD. THEN THAT MEANS, THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE MAIN DEVIL. THEN THAT MEANS JESUS WOULD HAVE SAID THAT HELL WAS MADE for Leviathan AND BELIAH.....BUT HE SAID IT WAS MADE FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS. bro with utmost respect to u, please cast this idea aside. I once believed this after reading one book like that. The rules of darkness was not deceived by anyone. Jesus said he was the first murderer. The father of lies. Peace bro

This is why you should ask the holy Spirit to direct you on what you read when you seek knowledge.

Tosinex:
OK, you see, when you see a bundle of currency note on the floor, your thought will counsel you, which arises from the table of your mind, whatever dominate your mind at that time will give you the counsel you will follow, your mind is just like a room with an open door, connected to the spiritual. Within this door is the voice of good and evil. And whichever voice you've listened to will sit at the table of your mind directing you, while the other is still within the door, trying hard for you to hearken to its voice. Fill your heart with the word of God, so you will be able to recognize the tactics of the devil and then rebuke him to flee..

Ok....i understand now. Thanks

Originakalokalo:



There is a demon trying to sell an idea to you.

Once you have bought it,

That evil desire will then rise in your heart.

For instance,

Fornication starts from simple look.
Then the idea is given.

Then there is acceptance.

Then the man starts to plan and finally executes it.


I believe that is what he is trying to say.

I see....thanks a lot!

stardragon:
where-is-the-devil-working-from:-And-how-is-he-able-to-possesse-some-pple-if-he-is-not-working-directly-on-earth?

He uses demons. Called devils. He is a Spirit too. He can influence man's soul from wherever he is.

Him and some other deadly Demons are restricted. They don't stay on Earth.

They will be free during the end of time.
because the church will have gone.

Originakalokalo:



He uses demons. Called devils. He is a Spirit too. He can influence man's soul from wherever he is.

Him and some other deadly Demons are restricted. They don't stay on Earth.

They will be free during the end of time.
because the church will have gone.

But-why-did-it-take-you-up-to-three-days-to-answer-this-my-simple-question?-While-I've-seen-you-attending-to-other-ppl-questions-on-this-thread.

stardragon:
But-why-did-it-take-you-up-to-three-days-to-answer-this-my-simple-question?-While-I've-seen-you-attending-to-other-ppl-questions-on-this-thread.

Oversight

stardragon:
But-why-did-it-take-you-up-to-three-days-to-answer-this-my-simple-question?-While-I've-seen-you-attending-to-other-ppl-questions-on-this-thread.

Sorry. I didn't see the question until I went through the thread this morning.

Tosinex:
this is just the perfect answer as to our originality as Sons of God as against the Angels.. However Angels are also Sons of God, remember Job 1. When Angels appear on earth, do they appear with wings, capital NO! Some of us have even entertained Angels Unaware.

True.

God will send his angels to be on guard to keep his children in Jesus name.