true2god:
It is God's judgement on corrupt priest. If you read Malachi 2:1-9 you will understand better. Yahweh, unlike the fake allahh, is very clear in the Bible. I don't need to use the hadith and tasfir to understand malachi 2:3. An unbiased and unislamic mind will understand the context much more easily.

OK so God literally tossed IGBE (Dung) at corrupted people. Fantastic!

Thanks for speaking the truth

And I can remember 3yrs ago when I posed same question at ifean, she interpreted the verse

Empiree:
OK so God literally tossed IGBE (Dung) at corrupted people. Fantastic!

Thanks for speaking the truth

And I can remember 3yrs ago when I posed same question at ifean, she interpreted the verse

Thank God you are a Yoruba muslim who might have a fair understanding of how metaphoric sentences are used. If a Yoruba man says 'maa fo e lenu' (speaking literarily that he will damage your mouth) what he actually mean is that he will punish the person.

I forgive you because you are a Muslim, so I expected you interprete the verse the way you did. What the verse is simply saying is that God will disgrace the corrupt and rebellious priests. A dung on the face of anybody is a sign of disgrace and humiliation. You don't need be a student of literature in English to understand that simple and basic statement (Malachi 2:3) unless you want me to believe that you are a typical Muslim who needs an hadith, Islamic 'scholars' and tasfir to understand what allahh says in the Quran.

true2god:
Thank God you are a Yoruba muslim who might have a fair understanding of how metaphoric sentences are used. If a Yoruba man says 'maa fo e lenu' (speaking literarily that he will damage your mouth) what he actually mean is that he will punish the person.

I forgive you because you are a Muslim, so I expected you interprete the verse the way you did. What the verse is simply saying is that God will disgrace the corrupt and rebellious priests. A dung on the face of anybody is a sign of disgrace and humiliation. You don't need be a student of literature in English to understand that simple and basic statement (Malachi 2:3) unless you want me to believe that you are a typical Muslim who needs an hadith, Islamic 'scholars' and tasfir to understand what allahh says in the Quran.

Did i ask you for "tafsir" of Malach 2:3?. Why did you interpret the verse?. That's my point. plainbibletruth can relate. He knows what i am talking about. If the bible is clear why did you have to interpret DUNG?

The questions we've asked are so simple. Yet it appears our Moslem guys need some basic English Language and Compression training.

All I read them say is:
"I rather use my time to train my dog than waste it on explaining things to a fool"
"last I check it u dat can't comprehend a simple self explanatory verse."
"is clear just like that."
"What he and the other guy explained to you is "extended tafsir" i:e explanation."
"Take it or leave it."

The issue is simple. One verse of the quran. Sura 3:81.

Who are the Prophets who are to help Mohamed when he comes?

Our Moslem guys have been unable answer this and other simple questions. Why? They just cannot bring themselves to see any fault in the quran. So, no matter what is pointed out, their "CONDITIONING" tells them to reject every objection. They lose objectivity. Even when they see a fault they have to convince themselves that it is not a fault and that there must be a way out.

That is why they would rather quote the passage over and over again instead of simply telling us the answer to our questions.

^^^^

Just show us what you ever agreed with Muslims on nl?. None. Why do you think we will waste our time knowing too well you ain't here to reason?

Have told you to read 3 to 4 preceeding verses. That clears the air.

Empiree:
^^^^

Just show us what you ever agreed with Muslims on nl?. None. Why do you think we will waste our time knowing too well you ain't here to reason?

Have told you to read 3 to 4 preceeding verses. That clears the air.

You guys speak from both sides of the mouth.

You lack honesty. Maybe you're following the path of "the best of deceivers".

This is what you said sometime back:

“I was going to post the ayah more appropriately in a very clear term bcus you denied explanation posted by the brother yesterday. Just wait for me in few hours from now to do that. Maybe you will get thte picture.It doesn't change the context or meaning of the verse, rather it gives clear view of what the verse is talking about”

Now instead of making us ‘get the picture’ and giving us ‘clear view of what the verse is talking about’ you are asking us to read 3 to 4 preceding verses. The 3 to 4 preceding verses have NOTHING to do with the verse in question. Don’t try to confuse matters. No air has been cleared.

Tell us; are you able to answer the question or not?

UmarIbnShittu:



Hadiths on Importance of Cleanliness

Here the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) gave the greatest importance to remaining clean by declaring it as a part of faith.

1. Abu Malik Al-Ash`ari (RA) reported that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said:
“Purity is half of iman (faith). “

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) provided Muslims with a means to please Allah (SWT) through something that is beneficial to them.

2. Aisha (RA) reported that the Prophet (SAW) said, “The miswak (a twig used for tooth brushing) cleanses and purifies the mouth and pleases the Lord.”
(An-Nasa’I and IbnKhuzaimah; authenticated by Al-Albani)

3. Abu Hurairah (RA) reported that the Messenger of Allah (SAW) said,
“Were it not that I might overburden my followers, I would have commanded them to use the miswak before every prayer.”
(Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) declared personal hygiene to be basic human nature.

4. Abu Hurairah (RA) reported that the Prophet (SAW) said:
“Five practices are of the fitrah (natural disposition): circumcision, shaving the pubic region, clipping the nails and cutting the moustaches short.”
(Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) informed us of one of the ways on how to gain forgiveness on the best day for Muslims

5. Abu Dharr (RA) reported that the Prophet (SAW) said:
“Whoever takes a bath on a Friday and does it well, and purifies himself and does it well, and puts on his best clothes, and puts on whatever Allah decrees for him of the perfume of his family, then comes to the mosque and does not engage in idle talk or separate (pushing between) two people; he will be forgiven for (his sins) between that day and the previous Friday.”
(IbnMajah and authenticated by Al-Albani)

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) not only gave importance to personal hygiene by also informed us to keep the environment clean.

6. Mu`adh (RA) reported that the Prophet (SAW) warned,
“Beware of the three acts that cause you to be cursed: relieving yourselves in shaded places (that people utilize), in a walkway or in a watering place.”
(Ranked sound, hasan,by Al-Albani)

7. Abu Dharr Al-Ghafari (RA) reported that the Prophet (SAW) said,
“Removing harmful things from the road is an act of charity (sadaqah).”
(Authenticated by Al-Albani)



So is either you are lying or they don't knw what they are doing or they are not muslims

Wall'Allahu a'alam

Why then do Muslims smell so badly? Men, those people smell. With the washing you claim you wash, yet you Smell. Ewww. I wonderdul how Women who marry Muslims cope.

saintmark88:
Amneron, Analice, oladegbu pls leave Muslims alone...what kind of people r u....u criticize catholics, cricize jw, cele, latter day saint, now Muslims.......what is ur problem...can't u live without criticizing other peoples belief, if u don't stop this den that thing ur looking for u will find it o...be careful

Hahahahahahahahaha. Answer simple questions, and leave threats alone. We no dey fear una bombs.

UmarIbnShittu:
in d bible there are not prophet which must have been misinterpreted to keep you sinking in ignorance


Ismael and his father built the kaabah. Where all muslims face to worship Allah


Sir pls let end this discussion here because some guys are provoking me already to avoid venting the anger on the wrong person pls sir let's end it here

I can't see any provocation in any post to you nah? It's only questions that have been asked so far. Why donyou feel provoked?

Empiree:
we are acquainted with them. They are dull.

Do you believe that?

Empiree:
Did i ask you for "tafsir" of Malach 2:3?. Why did you interpret the verse?. That's my point. plainbibletruth can relate. He knows what i am talking about. If the bible is clear why did you have to interpret DUNG?

And you were told that reinterpretation is not the same thing as interpretation, but because you want to dodge the main point, you refused to take it.

Emmanystone:

And you were told that reinterpretation is not the same thing as interpretation, but because you want to dodge the main point, you refused to take it.

Emmanystone:

Do you believe that?

Emmanystone:

Hahahahahahahahaha. Answer simple questions, and leave threats alone. We no dey fear una bombs.

U sef sha want to contribute. Clap yourself.

iamgenius:


U sef sha want to contribute. Clap yourself.

If only you can school me based on the simple question the Op asked. You are running around shutting your feet.

Emmanystone:

Why then do Muslims smell so badly? Men, those people smell. With the washing you claim you wash, yet you Smell. Ewww. I wonderdul how Women who marry Muslims cope.

did u read d comment u quoted to the end or u just felt like quoting it

UmarIbnShittu:
did d coment u quoted or u just like quoting it

You hauled koranic verses which enjoins you muslums to bath, but you still smell. Hence, i asked, why do you muslums smell so much. I have worked with Lebanese and Syrian Muslums, they smell all the same.

UmarIbnShittu:



Hadiths on Importance of Cleanliness

Here the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) gave the greatest importance to remaining clean by declaring it as a part of faith.

1. Abu Malik Al-Ash`ari (RA) reported that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said:
“Purity is half of iman (faith). “

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) provided Muslims with a means to please Allah (SWT) through something that is beneficial to them.

2. Aisha (RA) reported that the Prophet (SAW) said, “The miswak (a twig used for tooth brushing) cleanses and purifies the mouth and pleases the Lord.”
(An-Nasa’I and IbnKhuzaimah; authenticated by Al-Albani)

3. Abu Hurairah (RA) reported that the Messenger of Allah (SAW) said,
“Were it not that I might overburden my followers, I would have commanded them to use the miswak before every prayer.”
(Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) declared personal hygiene to be basic human nature.

4. Abu Hurairah (RA) reported that the Prophet (SAW) said:
“Five practices are of the fitrah (natural disposition): circumcision, shaving the pubic region, clipping the nails and cutting the moustaches short.”
(Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) informed us of one of the ways on how to gain forgiveness on the best day for Muslims

5. Abu Dharr (RA) reported that the Prophet (SAW) said:
“Whoever takes a bath on a Friday and does it well, and purifies himself and does it well, and puts on his best clothes, and puts on whatever Allah decrees for him of the perfume of his family, then comes to the mosque and does not engage in idle talk or separate (pushing between) two people; he will be forgiven for (his sins) between that day and the previous Friday.”
(IbnMajah and authenticated by Al-Albani)

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) not only gave importance to personal hygiene by also informed us to keep the environment clean.

6. Mu`adh (RA) reported that the Prophet (SAW) warned,
“Beware of the three acts that cause you to be cursed: relieving yourselves in shaded places (that people utilize), in a walkway or in a watering place.”
(Ranked sound, hasan,by Al-Albani)

7. Abu Dharr Al-Ghafari (RA) reported that the Prophet (SAW) said,
“Removing harmful things from the road is an act of charity (sadaqah).”
(Authenticated by Al-Albani)



So is either you are lying or they don't knw what they are doing or they are not muslims




And u didn't c d bolded

Empiree:
what's miss ifeann aka parisbookaddict doing here, to back up your brothers?

How's Finland doing?.

I heard muslims are taking over finland faster than federal express in that country

Nope.
Finland isn't germany

Emmanystone:

If only you can school me based on the simple question the Op asked. You are running around shutting your feet.

Too blind to see my first reply to the thread?

parisbookaddict:


Nope.
Finland isn't germany

At least Germany is powerful economically and politically than finland. Once muslims take over Germany, by default, finland is nothing but stooge

Thank God you indirectly confirmed Germany is gradually conceding to islam

plainbibletruth:


You guys speak from both sides of the mouth.

You lack honesty. Maybe you're following the path of "the best of deceivers".

This is what you said sometime back:


Now instead of making us ‘get the picture’ and giving us ‘clear view of what the verse is talking about’ you are asking us to read 3 to 4 preceding verses. The 3 to 4 preceding verses have NOTHING to do with the verse in question. Don’t try to confuse matters. No air has been cleared.

Tell us; are you able to answer the question or not?

would have wasted my time if i didnt know you before

iamgenius:

Too blind to see my first reply to the thread?

You mean quoting back the koranic verse is a reply?

To the puny brains of Moslem guys here, quoting back a quran passage amounts to an answer.

They will then run around claiming "refuted!" "Refuted! " "We have refuted you!"

Ask them where and how; they will say "Didn't you see it? If you didn't then it must be that you're dull. We wouldn't waste time repeating what has been CLEARLY stated"

What has been CLEARLY stated was actually the repeat of the passage.

plainbibletruth:
To the puny brains of Moslem guys here, quoting back a quran passage amounts to an answer.

but when they explained to you, you said (unsatisfactorily) that they interpreted and reinterpreted quran. Now you taking about they quoted the verse again. What do you want?. You see now that your are dull?

Empiree:
but when they explained to you, you said (unsatisfactorily) that they interpreted and reinterpreted quran. Now you taking about they quoted the verse again. What do you want?. You see now that your are dull?

plainbibletruth:

you know that's the truth. ...so why are you showing me your EWEDU infested brown teeth?

Empiree:
you know that's the truth. ...so why are you showing me your EWEDU infested brown teeth?

The truth:
Jesus said to him, “ I am the [only] Way [to God] and the [real] Truth and the [real] Life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
JOHN 14:6

plainbibletruth:

The truth:
Jesus said to him, “ I am the [only] Way [to God] and the [real] Truth and the [real] Life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
JOHN 14:6

This verse you quoted is restricted to time BECAUSE when Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Enoch, Lot and countless of others [peace be upon them] were life, they were the [only] Way [to God] and the [real] Truth and the [real] Life; no one comes to the Father but through them in their respective times.

They are no more and their books are not eternal for the entire mankind but for their people. Now we are in the TIME of MUHAMMAD the MESSENGER and the PROPHET of GOD, whose message is ETERNAL(Islam) with FINAL TESTAMENT (Qur'an).


Q21:107

And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW) not but as a mercy for the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).



But for Jesus ONLY sent to Israelites as reported in Matthew 15:24

Then Jesus said to the woman, "I was sent only to help God's lost sheep--the people of Israel."

Empiree:
This verse you quoted is restricted to time

NOTHING in that verse says it is restricted to time.

See other sayings of Jesus:

“For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life.
JOHN 3:16 AMP

Once more Jesus addressed the crowd. He said, “ I am the Light of the world. He who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.”
JOHN 8:12 AMP

Did you notice 'the world' in these two verses?
Jesus was sent to ALL THE WORLD but Islam's prophet wanted to claim that for himself and twisted things.

plainbibletruth:


NOTHING in that verse says it is restricted to time.

If u are smart enough you would see that Matthew 15:24 is that restriction. But you if disagree, it amounts to CONTRADICTION. Either way is lose lose situation for you.

See other sayings of Jesus:

“For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life.
JOHN 3:16 AMP

Again WORLD mentioned in the verse is ONLY understood in the context of The Nation Of Israel. If you disagree, it means there is corruption in your Bible btw this verse and Matthew 15:24. Choose one.

Once more Jesus addressed the crowd. He said, “ I am the Light of the world. He who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.”
JOHN 8:12 AMP

Did you notice 'the world' in these two verses?
Jesus was sent to ALL THE WORLD but Islam's prophet wanted to claim that for himself and twisted things.

Onus is on you to solve your puzzle. You either admit distortion or agree with "world" mentioned in this english version means the nation of israel. Anything apart from this is gross distortion.

Empiree:
If u are smart enough you would see that Matthew 15:24 is that restriction. But you if disagree, it amounts to CONTRADICTION. Either way is lose lose situation for you.

Again WORLD mentioned in the verse is ONLY understood in the context of The Nation Of Israel. If you disagree, it means there is corruption in your Bible btw this verse and Matthew 15:24. Choose one.



Onus is on you to solve your puzzle. You either admit distortion or agree with "world" mentioned in this english version means the nation of israel. Anything apart from this is gross distortion.

Background
Israel is God’s covenant people. God’s plan was for Israel to send his message to the rest of the world. God’s plan was also for the Saviour to come through Israel. If he was accepted by Israel, the people will then carry his message to the rest of the world. God had promised as far back as Abraham that through him ALL THE NATIONS OF THE EARTH will be blessed. The seed of Abraham that was to be a blessing and mercy to all mankind is Jesus Christ.

Fulfilment
When Jesus came therefore, he was to present himself first to Israel. If they had accepted him AS A NATION his message of salvation would then be preached by his followers (not necessarily by himself) to other people.

They rejected him en mass, as a result he instituted the church which he still gave the same mandate to: “… you will be my witnesses both in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and Samaria, and even to the ends of the earth.” Acts 1:8

So, Jesus was right in saying that he was primarily to Israel. Yet his message was for all the world.

Empiree:
This verse you quoted is restricted to time BECAUSE when Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Enoch, Lot and countless of others [peace be upon them] were life, they were the [only] Way [to God] and the [real] Truth and the [real] Life; no one comes to the Father but through them in their respective times.

They are no more and their books are not eternal for the entire mankind but for their people. Now we are in the TIME of MUHAMMAD the MESSENGER and the PROPHET of GOD, whose message is ETERNAL(Islam) with FINAL TESTAMENT (Qur'an).


Q21:107

And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW) not but as a mercy for the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).



But for Jesus ONLY sent to Israelites as reported in Matthew 15:24

Then Jesus said to the woman, "I was sent only to help God's lost sheep--the people of Israel."

Where did Moses or Abraham claim to be the way to God?

Show us

alBHAGDADI:
Where did Moses or Abraham claim to be the way to God?

Show us

Very simple. In the time of Moses, who was the leader of Israelite and led them through from Pharaoh, was there another way to God or savior at that time besides Moses?


In the time of Abraham, was there another way to God besides the "father of faith", Abraham?.