Olu317 9jakool and Scholes0 have added some unique spice to this section. I love it! You can't even post nonsense in this section. Mans are already on standby to call your lies

I remember when this whole section was like some potor village with mod and his headwarmer crew running things. 9jacrip and the other traditionalist guy had left so they were just spamming the whole section with lies - potor style

Good to see y'all running things again

Konquest I like your posts breh

Probz:


Are you okay?

Not really necessary for such words. The man was only appreciative of what he saw as an information..... Easy!

In places within Abeokuta axis, names such as shobowale, Shoyinka, Shokoya, Sholanke, Shodeke etc are more prevalent than other regions. In places within Eastern Yoruba, especially the buffer zone to Edo(South west Akoko) enclave,names like Orungbemi, Olubodun, Ologunpesi, OlogunAgba, Aduloju, Ologunope etc are prevalent. In an area in Northern Yoruba,such as Oyo, Ogbomosho axis, names like Sangotade, Sangokoya etc are more prevalent. IJebu also bear names linked to Oshinaike, oshinbajo, Okunuga, Adenuga ,Odunuga etc. In all the names with “sh" sound can also be pronounced in this way or used plainly with “s" sound but naturally most names with “s" sound ought to be pronounced in “sh" sound. Lastly , I strongly believe that names of any person of Yoruba descent associated with any deity linked to one's ancestors can be bore in any location one find himself which most of time is linked to names people bear. If One put into consideration, the fact that migration and emigration did happened in Yoruba land during war times and sometimes according to IFA dictates.

9jakool:

The word "koro" means bitter in Yoruba. It has nothing to do with the word man. Yes, the root word "kọ" is used for words relating to a man. For example ọkọrin/ọkọren in Yoruba means man and akọ means male and ọko means husband.

Some Yoruba like Ilajes bear Omawumi, Omasola. Oma means child in Eastern Yoruba dialects.

In some places within Eastern Yoruba, okinrin is pronounced. While, the four letter k-o-r-o word can also mean something different, depending on the accent. For example, Koro (bring forth wealth), koro (second person singular form of pronoun for someone to rise) , koro (Second person singular pronoun; to tell someone to have a thought over discussed issue) .

Efewestern:


to my little understanding it means big crew in edoid.

Will verify later and repost.

Big crew? How does an Ijesa man end up with an Edo name meaning "big crew"

Efewestern:


to my little understanding it means big crew in edoid.

Will verify later and repost.

Oh k. I do appreciate your own research if it is true.Furthermore, Ògèdèngbè was a fusion of Ogèdè + ngbè. A more or less ,meaning a statement or promise, in which such is enrooted in its efficacy on the law of nature. In summary, Ogèdè is efficacy of law of Nature + aided or supported by same nature on peculiar human being.

Olu317:
Oh k. I do appreciate your own research if it is true.Furthermore, Ògèdèngbè was a fusion of Ogèdè + ngbè. A more or less ,meaning a statement or promise, in which such is enrooted in its efficacy on the law of nature. In summary, Ogèdè is efficacy of law of Nature + aided or supported by same nature on peculiar human being.

my bad, actually thought they had the same meaning, since yoruboid and edoid shares alot especially in words and language, for example some urhobo words means exactly the same in Yoruba, eg olori, Oda (Udah in ilaje), Omo, etc.

Hope I didn't derailed your thread?

where is lalasticlala and seun self..

Efewestern:


my bad, actually thought they had the same meaning, since yoruboid and edoid shares alot especially in words and language, for example some urhobo words means exactly the same in Yoruba, eg olori, Oda (Udah in ilaje), Omo, etc.

Hope I didn't derailed your thread?

where is lalasticlala and seun self..

Is this not my thread?

Efewestern:


my bad, actually thought they had the same meaning, since yoruboid and edoid shares alot especially in words and language, for example some urhobo words means exactly the same in Yoruba, eg olori, Oda (Udah in ilaje), Omo, etc.

Hope I didn't derailed your thread?

where is lalasticlala and seun self..

Derail?Not at all. Beside it's not my thread. Platform such as this is for learning and information sharing. And , of course I do know Yoruba share certain words with Urhobo and other Niger Delta groups.

Olu317:
Not really necessary for such words. The man was only appreciative of what he saw as an information..... Easy!

Shut up your stinking mouth.

MasterChen:
Olu317 9jakool and Scholes0 have added some unique spice to this section. I love it! You can't even post nonsense in this section. Mans are already on standby to call your lies

I remember when this whole section was like some potor village with mod and his headwarmer crew running things. 9jacrip and the other traditionalist guy had left so they were just spamming the whole section with lies - potor style

Good to see y'all running things again

Konquest I like your posts breh

Thanks too for the acknowledgement. I do my things the way Eledumare and Ori bestowed such on me. You are indeed an omoluabi. Your humility has shown your identity. Have a blessed weekend.

Efewestern you are right bro don't let the Ibadan printing press liars make you feel otherwise !

Ogendengbè means Strong Willed or Strong in Confidence in Edo!

Cheers!

Funny how this Yoruba's try to read non existent meaning for words in thier language ..

So mediocre hahaha

AxxeMan:
Efewestern you are right bro don't let the Ibadan printing press liars make you feel otherwise !

Ogendengbè means Strong Willed or Strong in Confidence in Edo!

Cheers!

Funny how this Yoruba's try to read non existent meaning for words in thier language ..

So mediocre hahaha

Sorry the name we are talking about is "Ogedengbe" not Ogendengbe

macof:


Sorry the name we are talking about is "Ogedengbe" not Ogendengbe

we already trashed this.. I don't know why the guy can't pass his message without throwing tantrums.

they mean different things.

AxxeMan:
....

Ogendengbè means Strong Willed or Strong in Confidence in Edo!

Cheers!

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thanks for the clarification... I know it has to do with strong or big.. Urhobo also bear similar name.

Efewestern:


thanks for the clarification... I know it has to do with strong or big.. Urhobo also bear similar name.

Urhobo is part And parcel of the Edo CommonWealth .... #OneLove

MasterChen:
Olu317 9jakool and Scholes0 have added some unique spice to this section. I love it! You can't even post nonsense in this section. Mans are already on standby to call your lies

I remember when this whole section was like some potor village with mod and his headwarmer crew running things. 9jacrip and the other traditionalist guy had left so they were just spamming the whole section with lies - potor style

Good to see y'all running things again

Konquest I like your posts breh

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@ MasterChen

Thank you...I appreciate that my posts
are making an impact on this thread.

All the best!

AxxeMan:
Efewestern you are right bro don't let the Ibadan printing press liars make you feel otherwise !

Ogendengbè means Strong Willed or Strong in Confidence in Edo!

Cheers!

Funny how this Yoruba's try to read non existent meaning for words in thier language ..

So mediocre hahaha

Can you break "Ogedengbe" down etymologicaly. Yoruba says: Ogede=Incantation or Invocation. gbe=save. Meaning literally saved by invocation. I will understand if you have to resort to insult as your response. Thanks

TRUTHTOPOWER:


Can you break "Ogedengbe" down etymologicaly. Yoruba says: Ogede=Incantation or Invocation. gbe=save. Meaning literally saved by invocation. I will understand if you have to resort to insult as your response. Thanks

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Thanks for this clarification...!

Efewestern:


we already trashed this.. I don't know why the guy can't pass his message without throwing tantrums.

they mean different things.

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@ Efewestern
Thanks for your contributions on this thread.

Since you're Urhobo, I'd love you to kindly clarify what "Omo Agege" means in your language. Omo Agege is the family name of a very popular politician of Urhobo ancestry.

The word "Agege" in Lagos means "We Cut" in Yoruba.

"Ge" means to "Cut." As of 1910s, elephants still roamed in the thick forests of that part of Lagos State called Agege. Based on the accounts I read over 20 years ago in some archival materials, the first Awori-Yoruba settlers had to "CUT" through the "thick forest" and this is HOW the name "Agege" evolved.

I look forward to your response.

Konquest:

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@ Efewestern
Thanks for your contributions on this thread.

Since you're Urhobo, I'd love you to kindly
clarify what "Omo Agege" means in
your language. Omo Agege is the family
name of a very popular politician of Urhobo
ancestry.

The word "Agege" in Lagos means "We Cut" in Yoruba.

"Ge" means to "Cut." As of 1910s, elephants
still roamed in the thick forests of that part of
Lagos State called Agege. Based on the accounts I read over 20 years ago in some
archival materials, the first Awori-Yoruba
settlers had to "CUT" through the "thick forest"
and this is HOW the name "Agege" evolved.

I look forward to your response.

Omo means child in urhobo, but Agege has no root in urhobo, I can't really place any meaning to the name.. obviously i think it's a Yoruba name adopted by an urhobo family ,which is common anyways.

Efewestern:


Omo means child in urhobo, but Agege has no root in urhobo, I can't really place any meaning to the name... obviously i think it's a Yoruba name adopted by an urhobo family , which is common anyways.

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@ Efewestern

OK... thanks for your prompt response!
So Omo also means "child" in Urhobo like in
Bini-Edo and Yoruba languages.

Well since Urhobo people are of Edoid ancestry,
I'm not surprised.

When you have the time to respond again, what
do you think may have led to this adoption
of Yoruboid names by a few Urhobos? Was there
some immigration into Urhoboland by a few
Yoruba like the Olukumis did by migrating into Delta North
from Benin, to Esanland and finally into the Olukumi
areas of Aniocha North and parts of Ikaland?



I saw a YouTube video of "waphyguy" an
Urhobo man in the U.S. who did a DNA test with
DNALand. It showed that his paternal
ancestry has links with Esan and
maternal ancestry is connected to Yoruba...
his mum is actually an Itsekiri woman.


The DNA was very accurate because if you
look at it critically, Esans are also Edoid like Binis, it is clear that Urhobos and Isokos
had a strong Esan migrant population
centuries back!

Thanks again!

Konquest:

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@ Efewestern

OK... thanks for your prompt response!
So Omo also means "child" in Urhobo like in
Bini-Edo and Yoruba languages.

Well since Urhobo people are of Edoid ancestry,
I'm not surprised.

When you have the time to respond again, what
do you think may have led to this adoption
of Yoruboid names by a few Urhobos? Was there
some immigration into Urhoboland by a few
Yoruba like the Olukumis did by migrating into Delta North
from Benin, to Esanland and finally into the Olukumi
areas of Aniocha North and parts of Ikaland?



I saw a YouTube video of "waphyguy" an
Urhobo man in the U.S. who did a DNA test with
DNALand. It showed that his paternal
ancestry has links with Esan and
maternal ancestry is connected to Yoruba...
his mum is actually an Itsekiri woman.


The DNA was very accurate because if you
look at it critically, Esans are also Edoid like Binis, it is clear that Urhobos and Isokos
had a strong Esan migrant population
centuries back!

Thanks again!

Most urhobos traces their origin to Benin, but there are some certain kingdoms in urhobo land who traces their origin directly to ile-ife, present day osun state.

The okpe people for example believes they migrated from ile-ife, passed through Benin, before reaching their present destination, some other few towns in urhobo also traces their origin to ife. some Urhobos adopts some Yoruba name due to proximity with some yoruboid group like the itsekiris example, mofe Richard damijo , also those days people tend to name their kids according to situation surrounding the child's birth, for example an urhobo child who was born In agege, Lagos, the Urhobo parents might just decide to name their child Omo-agege meaning Child from agege. And if you check urhobo migration pattern they tend to settle in south western state, so reason you see them adopting Yoruba names.

As for the DNA part, you are actually correct, Urhobo migrated from various Edo kingdom before arriving at their present destination, as for the itsekiris, it's not news that they migrated from Yoruba, they only adopted a bini prince.

Efewestern:


Most urhobos traces their origin to Benin, but there are certain kingdom in urhobo land who traces their origin directly to ile-ife, present day osun state.

The okpe people for example believes they migrated from ile-ife, passed through Benin, before reaching their present destination, some other few towns in urhobo also traces their origin to ife. some Urhobos adopts some Yoruba name due to proximity with some yoruboid group like the itsekiris example, mofe Richard damijo , also those days people tend to name their kids according to situation surrounding the child's birth, for example an urhobo child who was born In agege, Lagos, the Urhobo parents might just decide to name their child Omo-agege meaning Child from agege. And if you check urhobo migration pattern they tend to settle in south western state, so reason you see them adopting Yoruba names.

As for the DNA part, you are actually correct, Urhobo migrated from various Edo kingdom before arriving at their present destination, as for the itsekiris, it's not news that they migrated from Yoruba, they only adopted a bini prince.

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@Efewestern

WOW! ... Thanks for this brilliant post.
That is why I have been following you
on NL because I know that you are deep
with firsthand history of Urhoboland.


You shed more light on some historical
FACTS that I never knew today on Urhobo
history... such as the Okpe people.


Somehow, I noticed that Urhobos and Yorubas
tend to even marry a lot... even Urhobos
and Itsekiris have a lot of intermarriages.


I have Urhobo friends that have Itsekiri mothers and Itsekiris that I know
like Prof. Itse Sagay and the Vanguard Newspaper Publisher, Chief Sam Amuka-Pemu
have Urhobo mothers!


RMD's father is actually an Urhobo man
while his mother is Itsekiri. That is where
Eyimofe the Itsekiri name comes from!


A lot of what you wrote are NOT even known
to people in the public domain. And should
be taught in all institutions and special online educational channels so that Nigerians will
know that we have ALWAYS interacted even
before the British colonialism era began.

I see Urhobos in a newer light from today...


Thanks for your kind response!

All the best!


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Efewestern:


It's a known fact, for example the culture of the ilajes are similar to that of bini, not only ilaje almost all yoruboid group in Ondo and also itsekiri.

Those areas were at some time controlled by the binis, thou they still retain their original Yoruba language.

I am from ondo state, the northern part that share boundary with Edo (akoko Edo) state, we were never under the control of the benis in our history. We have interaction with eghira and Nupe but can't remember any written history about beni influence

abdulwastecx:


I am from ondo state, the northern part that share boundary with Edo (akoko Edo) state, we were never under the control of the benis in our history. We have interaction with eghira and Nupe but can't remember any written history about beni influence

What of ikale?
Ilaje?

Those areas were at some point in time controlled by Bini, this can be seen in their cultures, Festival etc.

Lagos , ondo and Delta are extension of Bini culturally.

Efewestern:


What of ikale?
Ilaje?

Those areas were at some point in time controlled by Bini, this can be seen in their cultures, Festival etc.

Lagos , ondo and Delta are extension of Bini culturally.

Culture, festival is not what stands as proof.

Most of Bini festivals are Yoruba in origin and the culture is majorly a shared one.

The Ikale and Akure/Owo tell it themselves as part of their history so do some Ekiti towns..and I think that is stronger than any festival or culture you might think started from Bini (I have not come across an Ilaje source attesting to being under Bini)

Please be careful with "Lagos". Lagos state is not Lagos town(Eko; on the island)
Putting Lagos on the same list as Ondo and Delta makes me assume you meant Lagos state as a whole

And the issue is still unclear to many outsiders, but the general knowledge in Lagos is that the Awori chiefs kept their sovereignty in return for land which was given to Oba Gabaro to form his Kingdom

Eko was a small kingdom within a larger Awori political territory which was mainly controlled by the Idejo not the Oba

macof:


Culture, festival is not what stands as proof.

What then makes a people if not for culture and tradition?, All eastern Yoruba have similar culture, believes and traditions which can all be traced to Bini, Example of such bini influence can be seen in ilaje and itsekiri cultural practices and beliefs.

Most of Bini festivals are Yoruba in origin and the culture is majorly a shared one.

I actually can't say who copied each other, I don't like involving my self in Yoruba vs Bini Supremacy battle.

The Ikale and Akure/Owo tell it themselves as part of their history so do some Ekiti towns..and I think that is stronger than any festival or culture you might think started from Bini (I have not come across an Ilaje source attesting to being under Bini)

The ilaje Marriage and Burial rites are exactly same with Edo, no doubt they won't agree to be under bini, but all facts still points towards that.

Please be careful with "Lagos". Lagos state is not Lagos town(Eko; on the island)
Putting Lagos on the same list as Ondo and Delta makes me assume you meant Lagos state as a whole

And the issue is still unclear to many outsiders, but the general knowledge in Lagos is that the Awori chiefs kept their sovereignty in return for land which was given to Oba Gabaro to form his Kingdom

I meant to say Eko, not all part of Lagos state was influenced by Bini.

Eko was a small kingdom within a larger Awori political territory which was mainly controlled by the Idejo not the Oba

Efewestern:


What then makes a people if not for culture and tradition?, All eastern Yoruba have similar culture, believes and traditions which can all be traced to Bini, Example of such bini influence can be seen in ilaje and itsekiri cultural practices and beliefs.

Yes culture and tradition makes a people, hence the culture and tradition of Ilaje, Ikale and all that area makes them Yoruba.

But the issue here isn't identity but their history and relationship with Bini. I wanted to make you understand that having some festivals that Bini have doesn't mean Bini controlled their lands because these festivals are from Yoruba land to begin with.

Unless we are talking about a typical Bini festival here...like Igue festival
But eastern Yorubas don't perform Igue

And culture! Well is it dressing, music, dance? These can be shared cultural elements and doesn't necessarily mean that they came from Bini.

The ilaje Marriage and Burial rites are exactly same with Edo, no doubt they won't agree to be under bini, but all facts still points towards that.

You may have to go into more details on the marriage and burial rites.

Actually there's no big deal about being under someone at a time in history. However, I didn't say Ilaje do not have such history, I just haven't come across any such history from an Ilaje source

Ogedengbe was not the man’s name.

Ogedengbe is an excerpt of a congnomen or nickname if you will.

Ogedengbe agbe ogun gbe oro is the full thing.

It is the same way Ayikiti was written out in Samuel Johnson’s work and that had a good number of us looking for whom Ayikiti was in the list of past Oonis but it was a congnomen too - Ayikiti ninu aran (roll around or wrapped in aso oke) whose name was Ogunwusi.

Several examples abound but my point is that, Ogedengbe should not be treated or interpreted as a stand alone name.

Konquest:

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@ Efewestern
Thanks for your contributions on this thread.

Since you're Urhobo, I'd love you to kindly
clarify what "Omo Agege" means in
your language. Omo Agege is the family
name of a very popular politician of Urhobo
ancestry.

The word "Agege" in Lagos means "We Cut" in Yoruba.

"Ge" means to "Cut." As of 1910s, elephants
still roamed in the thick forests of that part of
Lagos State called Agege. Based on the accounts I read over 20 years ago in some
archival materials, the first Awori-Yoruba
settlers had to "CUT" through the "thick forest"
and this is HOW the name "Agege" evolved.

I look forward to your response.

Agege is an elision of ‘Age ri ge’.

A town occupued by Awori like Otta & came under threat of Egba invasion and conquest.

Y0ruba:
Ogedengbe was not the man’s name.

Ogedengbe is an excerpt of a congnomen or nickname if you will.

Ogedengbe agbe ogun gbe oro is the full thing.

It is the same way Ayikiti was written out in Samuel Johnson’s work and that had a good number of us looking for whom Ayikiti was in the list of past Oonis but it was a congnomen too - Ayikiti ninu aran (roll around or wrapped in aso oke) whose name was Ogunwusi.

Several examples abound but my point is that, Ogedengbe should not be treated or interpreted as a stand alone name.

Was an Ogunwusi ever Ooni? Or an ancestor of the Ogunwusi family ie. Ojaja I