tdayof:


F16 and Rafale will perform same task well. Yes, that's my point exactly funds.

.....tan has the money to spend just like her best friend ......a with various jets. Once you have the money, you'll play the game well.

Nemesis4u,

"F16 and Rafale will perform same task well"

sir not necessarily

let me give u a example

F16 being a single engine jet will be easily forward based since its logistic/maintenance footprint is small

Rafale will need to be housed much deeper since it will need dedicated resources / facilities away from reach of hostile assets

thus u can have the F16 conduct interception, CAP etc duties at a faster response time as first responders or during peace times while the same will not be possible for rafale unless on alert

as per their economists they dont have the money , google

but as they say where there is a will there is a way

tdayof:


Once there's opportunity there's friendship. Maybe we can find some between ....ia and ....ia at least there's something similar between the two nation ( voodoo and witchcrafts) then we can get some free flankers from you.

witchcrafts gone out of practice

now we have the pretty and dangerous witches only

IMO optimally NAF should have 3 types

1. SU35 / SU30 (deterrence)
2. JF17 (work horse)
3. tucano (coin etc)

in... with lowest squadron strength till date with shortage of around 400 fighters , sure feel free to donate some aircrafts of ur own , they will bless u

nemesis4u:


witchcrafts gone out of practice

now we have the pretty and dangerous witches only

IMO optimally NAF should have 3 types

1. SU35 / SU30 (deterrence)
2. JF17 (work horse)
3. tucano (coin etc)

in... with lowest squadron strength till date r at the risk to get assfuuccked by 2 nations with combined aircrafts strengths in excess of 5000 aircrafts , sure feel free to donate some aircrafts of ur own , they will bless u

Believe me, Nigeria won't buy Russian stuff again after Super Tucano. One hour flying, five hours shutdown for maintenance..what rubbish.
Russian stuff are not industrial strength.

Most wars are three year, four year affairs and believe me, no Roossian plane can do what Alpha jets have been doing in terms of reliability day in day out for the past three decades. Russian aircraft will fall apart fast and before you know you start spending all your country's money on support.
In the area of support specifically, ordinary Ukraine, Belarus and Czech Republic are even more responsive on Russian aircraft than the Ruskies themselves. They have displayed more modification innovation and agile support capability for the third world than those funny mamushka/ papushka people.

I suspect Nigeria will keep trying for F16s, Tornadoes, Typhoons and Grippens for a long time. Sudanese, Chadian or whatever Russian scraps they are flying are no threats. I struggle to see these guys do bombing runs every week for two months in the event of war.

What i fear for Nigeria in West Africa are Rafales, Mirage 2000 and American MALE UAVs

Adminisher:


Believe me, Nigeria won't buy Russian stuff again after Super Tucano. One hour flying, five hours shutdown for maintenance..what rubbish.
Russian stuff are not industrial strength.

Most wars are three year, four year affairs and believe me, no Roossian plane can do what Alpha jets have been doing in terms of reliability day in day out for the past three decades. Russian aircraft will fall apart fast and before you know you start spending all your country's money on support.
In the area of support specifically, ordinary Ukraine, Belarus and Czech Republic are even more responsive on Russian aircraft than the Ruskies themselves. They have displayed more modification innovation and agile support capability for the third world than those funny mamushka/ papushka people.

I suspect Nigeria will keep trying for F16s, Tornadoes, Typhoons and Grippens for a long time. Sudanese, Chadian or whatever Russian scraps they are flying are no threats. I struggle to see these guys do bombing runs every week for two months in the event of war.

What i fear for Nigeria in West Africa are Rafales, Mirage 2000 and American MALE UAVs

While I agree Russians fighters are not as good as American fighters, they are by no means "Scraps". heck even Chinese fighters are not scraps. "Nigeria will keep trying for F16s e.t.c" have Nigeria shown interest in those aircrafts before that they will "keep trying"?

Adminisher:


Believe me, Nigeria won't buy Russian stuff again after Super Tucano. One hour flying, five hours shutdown for maintenance..what rubbish.
Russian stuff are not industrial strength.

Most wars are three year, four year affairs and believe me, no Roossian plane can do what Alpha jets have been doing in terms of reliability day in day out for the past three decades. Russian aircraft will fall apart fast and before you know you start spending all your country's money on support.
In the area of support specifically, ordinary Ukraine, Belarus and Czech Republic are even more responsive on Russian aircraft than the Ruskies themselves. They have displayed more modification innovation and agile support capability for the third world than those funny mamushka/ papushka people.

I suspect Nigeria will keep trying for F16s, Tornadoes, Typhoons and Grippens for a long time. Sudanese, Chadian or whatever Russian scraps they are flying are no threats. I struggle to see these guys do bombing runs every week for two months in the event of war.

What i fear for Nigeria in West Africa are Rafales, Mirage 2000 and American MALE UAVs

yes i understand ur point about Russian aircraft's regarding maintenance etc. it is true to a large extent but not necessarily

the difference lies between the way the west and the russian OEM conduct their after sales business.

the west OEMs creates a global chain with multiple local centers in different countries to support their products in a timely and cost effective manner.

while the russians try to keep it within their country which increases time factor , costs and creates other wahalas

lol the in.... guys were reduced to threatening , begging , crying when the russians relented with localizing spares/maintenance inside the country , it was a herculean and amazonian task but availability of su30mki is now 75% during peace time.

anyways i cannot comment vis a vis russian and western aircrafts becz in reality when it comes to buying aircraft's there r other unrelated factors which influences a nations choice other than technical competency .

eg Russian aircraft's generally comes with no strings attached , western ones comes with varying degree of extra luggage

interesting info f16 which were sent to in... for flight testing , some of their onboard systems were found to vulnerable to hacks , intentional or not i dont know

anyways if the russians dont clean up their act they will have serious problems conducting sales plus the buyer nation has to include ironclad sureties with regard to after sales services etc with penalty option if there is break in agreed upon terms

frumentius:
Some classified ultra-secret 70mm guided rockets from around the world


PIC1: Lockheed DAGR;

PIC2: Raytheon Talon;

PIC3: Elbit GATR;

PIC4: Rocketsan Cirit;

PIC5: FZ275 LGR;

PIC6: BAE APKWS.

Summon courage and tell us which one of them is technologically advanced enough with 93% hit rate on target ?

nemesis4u:


witchcrafts gone out of practice

now we have the pretty and dangerous witches only

IMO optimally NAF should have 3 types

1. SU35 / SU30 (deterrence)
2. JF17 (work horse)
3. tucano (coin etc)

in... with lowest squadron strength till date with shortage of around 400 fighters , sure feel free to donate some aircrafts of ur own , they will bless u

I'll be good with 300 aircrafts

J10c single engine strike aircraft
Su30 strategic long range strike aircraft
Su35 Air interceptors and Su30 complement
Tucano coin and surveillance.

120 j10, 60 su30, 40 su35 and some Jf17. The dream Naf

SupremeCourt:


When technical facts are used to debunk your illogical arguments, you call it confrontation. I proved all guided weapons are not equal, some far better than others because $30,000 guided missiles miss target completely. 93% hit rate for APKWS proved you wrong so I must get banned for proving you wrong because being correct is against Nairaland rules abi?

Last time I got banned you too got banned as quickly. Learn your lesson,
Stop starting fights you cannot finish.

Augustine.

No one was talking about hit rates, you pivoted to hit rates after your "super secret technology" statement got debunked. You brought up the Makopa when no one was talking about ATGMs.

Why? Because you want to argue.

And no, I didnt get banned - only you.

nemesis4u:
kill probability etc given by OEM r calculated under test conditions , in real world one will get surprised more often if one decides to take the same as the gospel truth

every weapon system has counters (which again has counters and again.............so forth , actually it is a game of ringa ringa roses ), it depends on activating the right one at the right time at the right place .

eg. laser guided systems can be defeated by laser beam dispersing aerosol mists

There is no point.

You are arguing with a guy who believes one miss under unique conditions has a statistical relevancy.

tdayof:


F16 and Rafale will perform same task well. Yes, that's my point exactly funds.

Pakistan has the money to spend just like her best friend India with various jets. Once you have the money, you'll play the game well.

Nemesis4u,

F16 is single engine multi-role

Rafael is twin engines air-superiority fighter

Why do people not understand this?

Cannonleo:
apologies not accepted, retrace your mistakes

merry christmas jlnn

Fixed

SupremeCourt:


When technical facts are used to debunk your illogical arguments, you call it confrontation. I proved all guided weapons are not equal, some far better than others because $30,000 guided missiles miss target completely. 93% hit rate for APKWS proved you wrong so I must get banned for proving you wrong because being correct is against Nairaland rules abi?

Last time I got banned you too got banned as quickly. Learn your lesson,
Stop starting fights you cannot finish.

The irony..... There was literally no argument until you started one!!!

No one even mentioned the mokopa, before you brought it up!!

barineh:



Jf17 is not a good plane. It's an average plane. That's why Pakistan is still buying J10 and F16. With our neighbors having Mig29, Su30 and Su35 I don't think Jf17 is good enough to be our frontline fighter. We should buy a fighter that we won't have to replace in at least 2 decades. Jf17 is 4,4+ at best we should buy a 4++. I prefer the Fa50 to Jf17. We should look at J10c, Su35, Mig35, or Su30.

For what you pay, the JF17 is the perfect plane for NAF... There have also been talks of integrating the A-Darter and umbani,,although the fa50 isn't a bad choice either.

The other 3 you mentioned are all heavy twin engined fighter, that cost a fortune to keep in the air.

And I don't think the J10 has been exported yet!!

barineh:


I'll be good with 300 aircrafts

J10c single engine strike aircraft
Su30 strategic long range strike aircraft
Su35 Air interceptors and Su30 complement
Tucano coin and surveillance.

120 j10, 60 su30, 40 su35 and some Jf17. The dream Naf

You should play Supreme Ruler....there you can play as Nigeria and buy all the J10s,Su30s and JF17s as you want, you can build your dream NAF, dream NN and dream army..........and build an economy that actually grows

barineh:


I'll be good with 300 aircrafts

J10c single engine strike aircraft
Su30 strategic long range strike aircraft
Su35 Air interceptors and Su30 complement
Tucano coin and surveillance.

120 j10, 60 su30, 40 su35 and some Jf17. The dream Naf

What will you do with all this? Your dream is not a good one believe me. Nigeria shouldn't get more than 6 squadrons of fighter jets.

2 squadron of Su30
2 squadron of F16 / Gripen E/F
2 squadron of JF17

This will give Nigerian Air Force the flexibility of weapon procurement from west, Chinese and Russians at any moment.

jln115:

You should play Supreme Ruler....there you can play as Nigeria and buy all the J10s,Su30s and JF17s as you want, you can build your dream NAF, dream NN and dream army..........and build an economy that actually grows

any link to get the game?

jln115:

You should play Supreme Ruler....there you can play as Nigeria and buy all the J10s,Su30s and JF17s as you want, you can build your dream NAF, dream NN and dream army..........and build an economy that actually grows

Our economy grows lol; D; D; D
Besides it doesn't have to be done a go. A ten year plan would work.

iblawi:


What will you do with all this? Your dream is not a good one believe me. Nigeria shouldn't get more than 6 squadrons of fighter jets.

2 squadron of Su30
2 squadron of F16 / Gripen E/F
2 squadron of JF17

This will give Nigerian Air Force the flexibility of weapon procurement from west, Chinese and Russians at any moment.

The Russians are money hungry. I doubt there's anything we would do to annoy them to the extent of having place a ban on us. Besides we've always been Neutral. Besides Western planes are very very expensive.

barineh:


The Russians are money hungry. I doubt there's anything we would do to annoy them to the extent of having place a ban on us. Besides we've always been Neutral. Besides Western planes are very very expensive.

Interest is everything in life. Just try join US coalition against Russia and expect them to sell weapons to you.

Adminisher:


Believe me, Nigeria won't buy Russian stuff again after Super Tucano. One hour flying, five hours shutdown for maintenance..what rubbish.
Russian stuff are not industrial strength.

Most wars are three year, four year affairs and believe me, no Roossian plane can do what Alpha jets have been doing in terms of reliability day in day out for the past three decades. Russian aircraft will fall apart fast and before you know you start spending all your country's money on support.
In the area of support specifically, ordinary Ukraine, Belarus and Czech Republic are even more responsive on Russian aircraft than the Ruskies themselves. They have displayed more modification innovation and agile support capability for the third world than those funny mamushka/ papushka people.

I suspect Nigeria will keep trying for F16s, Tornadoes, Typhoons and Grippens for a long time. Sudanese, Chadian or whatever Russian scraps they are flying are no threats. I struggle to see these guys do bombing runs every week for two months in the event of war.

What i fear for Nigeria in West Africa are Rafales, Mirage 2000 and American MALE UAVs

dis crap u penned down is it a joke or wot.

iblawi:


What will you do with all this? Your dream is not a good one believe me. Nigeria shouldn't get more than 6 squadrons of fighter jets.

2 squadron of Su30
2 squadron of F16 / Gripen E/F
2 squadron of JF17

This will give Nigerian Air Force the flexibility of weapon procurement from west, Chinese and Russians at any moment.

The funniest part is we can end up getting F16 but won't be of a good specification. Probably a base model.


JF17 is okay for us but we obviously need another aircraft to compliment it which is where the flankers or Mig 35 should come in.

tdayof:


The funniest part is we can end up getting F16 but won't be of a good specification. Probably a base model.


JF17 is okay for us but we obviously need another aircraft to compliment it which is where the flankers or Mig 35 should come in.

The Gripen E/F should be almost the same price as the F16 and I believe it's even better in terms of maintenance, cost of operation and maybe performance.

slimthugchimee:
any link to get the game?

Bought mine from steam....For the newest Supreme Ruler Ultimate it's like R87(BARGAIN!!) on steam now.....plus R110 if you want to buy the Great War DLC which literally means you can play from 1914 to 2070.

It is quite complex to learn since you have to manage your economy(Inflation,GDP,Tax,Social Spending, Trade and diplomacy ect ect) and the Military is even more complex(If done properly) since you have to group units in to effective battlegroups(Brigade size) and terrain and especially supply play a major role.

The detail in the game is incredible though, for example when starting as South Africa in the 2017 or 2020 sandbox mode, SA already has Olifant MK1b and 2, Ratel, Rooikat, Gripen, Valour class frigates, Type 209 Subs, Rooivalk ect ect I think Nigeria also starts with a squadron of JF17s...even the presidents of each country is up to date.

This a rather complicated Grand Strategy game so i would say you need at least 20 hours of playing time to understand just the basics......overall i have around 150 hours on SR ultimate and around another 150 hours on the previous SR games, AND im literally still learning, especially with regards to military since it is much more in depth than it looks and than i originally thought!

http://store.steampowered.com/app/314980/Supreme_Ruler_Ultimate/

NORA B-52 Self Propelled Gun-Howitzer tested by Algerian army

newafricaken254:
First Egypt’s A400M military transporter spotted in Spain

fake pic , its a malysian A400M photoshoped

Moroccan air force


F-16 Block 50/52+

Engine : Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 EEP

Radar : AN/APG-68 (V) ---> 290 km max range
Missiles air-air :
- AIM120 C7
- AIM-9M / AIM-9X Block 2

Missiles air-ground/surface :
- JDAM / LJDAM
- AGM-88 HARM
- AGM-65 Maverick
- Divers bombes guidées GBU Paveway

Pods :
- Pod Sniper ATP
- Pod DB-110 Goodrich
- Pod LANTIRN

+ CFT Conformal Fuel Tanks

MF-2000 ASTRAC

Engine : Snecma ATAR 9K50

Radar : RDY-3 150 km max range

Missiles air-air :
- MBDA R-550 Magic 1/2
- MATRA Super 530D
- Raytheon AIM-9 Sidewinder
- MICA IR/EM
+ Canon 30 mm

Missiles air-ground/surface :
- AASM

Pods :
- Damocles Pod
- ASTAC Elint Pod
- PAJ-FA ECM Pod
- Dassault Core 2 Reco Pod

F-5 Tiger III

Engine : General Electric J85

Radar : EL/M 2032 -----> 100 km max range



Missiles air-air :
- AIM-9P/M Sidewinder (capacité missiles Python 4 et Derby)
+ Canon 30 mm

Missiles air-ground/surface :
- AGM-65 Maverick
- GBU bombs

Pods:
- Litening II
- ELT-555 ECM Pod

http://guardian.ng/business-services/russia-urges-nigeria-to-develop-nuclear-technology/
INTERESTING

most african countries face a serious problem of poor or lack of infrastructure,it would be wise for them to spend their revenue in infrastructure development than in 4th generation jets

Tunisian UH-60M Black Hawk Helicopter

jln115:

Bought mine from steam....For the newest Supreme Ruler Ultimate it's like R87(BARGAIN!!) on steam now.....plus R110 if you want to buy the Great War DLC which literally means you can play from 1914 to 2070.

It is quite complex to learn since you have to manage your economy(Inflation,GDP,Tax,Social Spending, Trade and diplomacy ect ect) and the Military is even more complex(If done properly) since you have to group units in to effective battlegroups(Brigade size) and terrain and especially supply play a major role.

The detail in the game is incredible though, for example when starting as South Africa in the 2017 or 2020 sandbox mode, SA already has Olifant MK1b and 2, Ratel, Rooikat, Gripen, Valour class frigates, Type 209 Subs, Rooivalk ect ect I think Nigeria also starts with a squadron of JF17s...even the presidents of each country is up to date.

This a rather complicated Grand Strategy game so i would say you need at least 20 hours of playing time to understand just the basics......overall i have around 150 hours on SR ultimate and around another 150 hours on the previous SR games, AND im literally still learning, especially with regards to military since it is much more in depth than it looks and than i originally thought!

http://store.steampowered.com/app/314980/Supreme_Ruler_Ultimate/

(he doesnt know about Graviteam Tactics)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RPAaxXSt7I


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoG4e1_pskw

They have an entire DLC dedicated to the war in Angola - with multiple battles to run through.

$5-15 on Steam rights now - but be warned, you are gunna need a decent rig to run it nicely