Emmanystone:

Ignored.

superhumanist:


First, the argument started from you and winner01 trying to deny that there were atheists/freethinkers who worked against slavery.

I gave you ingersoll who as an agnostic campaigned against slavery. You are here still asking me about Ingersoll. You cannot read the man's biography for yourself? You dey mad?

Let me make a fool of you now.
Slave trade was abolished in the United States in 1865 ----- how?

When did ingersoll start advocating for free speech, women's rights, and the rest?

Butterflyleo:


All this your long story is not what I asked you. I was specific with my question. Let me repeat it for sale of memory lapse on your part.




Oya answer and see who dey mad.

superhumanist:
Cc butterflyleo, winner01, emmanystone, felixomor



Here is another slave mentality problem with black people and religion-

Ugandans had to employ a white/Arab looking guy to play Jesus on palm Sunday.

winner01:
Okay. May God help them.

winner01:
Isn't it remarkable that atheists, who did virtually nothing to oppose slavery, condemn Christians, who are the ones who abolished it?

Consider atheist Sam Harris, who blames Christianity for supporting slavery. Harris is right that slavery existed among the Old Testament Jews, and Paul even instructs slaves to obey their masters. During the civil war both sides quoted the Bible. We know all this. (Yawn, yawn.)

But slavery pre-dated Christianity by centuries and even millennia. As we read from sociologist Orlando Patterson's work, all known cultures had slavery. For centuries, slavery needed no defenders because it had no critics. Atheists who champion ancient Greece and pre-Christian Rome somehow seem to forget that those empires were based on large-scale enslavement.
Atheist Michael Shermer says Christians are "late comers" to the movement against slavery. Shermer advanced this argument in our Cal Tech debate in December. That debate is now online, and you can watch it at michaelshermer.com.
But if what Shermer says is true, who were the early opponents of slavery who got there before the Christians did? Actually, there weren't any. Shermer probably thinks the Christians only got around to opposing slavery in the modern era.

Wrong. Slavery was mostly eradicated from Western civilization--then called Christendom--between the fourth and the tenth century. The Greco-Roman institution of slavery gave way to serfdom. Now serfdom has its problems but at least the serf is not a "human tool" and cannot be bought and sold like property. So slavery was ended twice in Western civilization, first in the medieval era and then again in the modern era.

In the American South, Christianity proved to be the solace of the oppressed. As historian Eugene Genovese documents in Roll, Jordan, Roll, when black slaves sought to find dignity during the dark night of slavery, they didn't turn to Marcus Aurelius or David Hume; they turned to the Bible. When they sought hope and inspiration for liberation, they found it not in Voltaire or D'Holbach but in the Book of Exodus.
The anti-slavery movements led by Wilberforce in England and abolitionists in America were dominated by Christians. These believers reasoned that since we are all created equal in the eyes of God, no one has the right to rule another without consent. This is the moral basis not only of anti-slavery but also of democracy.
Jefferson was in some ways the least orthodox and the most skeptical of the founders. Yet when he condemned slavery he found himself using biblical language. In Notes on the State of Virginia Jefferson warned that those who would enslave people should reflect that "the Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in such a contest." Jefferson famously added, "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that His justice cannot sleep for ever."


But wasn't Jefferson also a man of science? Yes he was, and it was on the basis of the latest science of his day that Jefferson expressed his convictions about black inferiority. Citing the discoveries of modern science, Jefferson noted that "there are varieties in the race of man, distinguished by their powers both of body and of mind...as I see to be the case with races of other animals." Blacks, Jefferson continued, lack the powers of reason that are evident in whites and even in native Indians. While atheists today like to portray themselves as paragons of equal dignity, Jefferson's scientific and skeptical outlook contributed not to his anti-slavery sentiments but to his racism. Somehow Harris and Shermer neglect to point this out.
In the end the fact remains that the only movements that opposed slavery in principle were mobilized in the West, and they were overwhelmingly led and populated by Christians. Sadly the West had to use force to stop slavery in other cultures, such as the Muslim slave trade off the coast of Africa. In some quarters the campaign to eradicate slavery still goes on.
So who killed slavery? The Christians did, while everyone else generally stood by and watched.



https://townhall.com/columnists/dineshdsouza/2008/01/14/how-christians-ended-slavery-n962085

Judas2013:


This is an idiot who believes Jesus died for him. What a fool.

Aaronsrod:
If the Bible supports slavery then so do I! We Christians must stop being ashamed and clothe ourselves fully in our faith.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBkGNId8jsw

Judas2013:


This is an idiot who believes Jesus died for him. What a fool.

Aaronsrod:
If the Bible supports slavery then so do I! We Christians must stop being ashamed and clothe ourselves fully in our faith.

dalaman:


A honest christian here. Winner01, you better learn from him.

Judas2013:


This is an idiot who believes Jesus died for him. What a fool.

winner01:
Bros, Jesus died for me . Kill yourself.

I don't understand, what happens if you are a fool in an inconsequential universe, will evolution send people to arrest me
The thing is anybody can be anything. An atheist has no moral grounds to blame anybody for anything. Even dalaman know this.

winner01:
Aaronsod is not a Christians. I also don't believe anything anyone says just because he's a christian.

dalaman:


The guy in the video is, and he's the one I was alluding to.

winner01:
Do you believe everything an atheist says?, I have some quotes to show you.

superhumanist:




there is slavery in the bible whether you like it or not

winner01:
Actually I like it, and I explained it effectively in my previous thread

superhumanist:


You explained nothing.

You only claimed that there is good slavery in the bible. How silly

Butterflyleo:


And someone saying there is GOOD slavery does not mean he liked it?

You understand nothing

superhumanist:


You explained nothing.

You only claimed that there is good slavery in the bible. How silly

winner01:
I explained everything perfectly.

Slavery is as old as humanity, people sold themselves into different forms of servitude due to financial reasons, criminals who otherwise should have gotten the death penalty were also forced into servitude. The bible gave human and legal conditions protecting such persons.

This is not similar to the transatlantic slave trade. No matter what you say, history is on our side .

winner01:
I explained everything perfectly.

Slavery is as old as humanity, people sold themselves into different forms of servitude due to financial reasons, criminals who otherwise should have gotten the death penalty were also forced into servitude. The bible gave human and legal conditions protecting such persons.

This is not similar to the transatlantic slave trade. No matter what you say, history is on our side .

superhumanist:



The Bible clearly said that slaves are the property of their masters.

The Bible allows beating of the slaves except when he beating leads to death.

The Bible has never been human to normal people not to talk of slaves. Prostitutes and blasphemers were stoned to death. How well would a slave be treated in the Bible.

Dalamama:


When humans were primitive and barbaric and engaged in things like owing and selling themselves into slavery, Yahweh was there with them giving them instructions on how to do it. In fact when they actually believed that stoning to death their disobedient children was the right thing to do, Yahweh was also there giving them instructions on how to stone their disobedient children to death.

winner01:


Can you give me an example of a parent stoning his child to death in the Bible

Also, slavery was economical, cultural and ethical in ancient times.

Checkmate

winner01:
When people sold themselves as slaves, of course they were properties.

Beating a slave was punishable by death, I proved that in my last thread.

The bible has been human to billions of people and has been the baseline for most Democratic foundations. The bible records prostitutes being stoned to death and still records Jesus (the focal point of christianiry) standing against religious zealots who were ready to stone a prostitute.

superhumanist:



You and your brother are born from the same root of lies. You are natural liars.


Beating a slave is allowed in the bible. Stop telling lies.

superhumanist:



Slavery was ethical in ancient times? Slaves that were sacrificed to ancient gods? Slaves that were worked to death? Slaves that were forced into wars? Slaves that were used as cannon fodder?

Please, do not reproduce. We already have enough foolishness in this country

winner01:


Did you not see where I said that the economic and legal positions regarding slavery varied amongst nation, cultures and religion?

You really think slavery began with the bible don't you?

All the nonsense you're talking about are not found in the BIble.

Christians also rose up to rid the world of slavery.

Just read my last thread and educate yourself na