johnw47:



and that's also how you wolves in sheeps clothing appear, modest in speech and attitude, wanting to appear as a lamb, some of the time,
but of course some false jw's speech and attitude shows your true colors though:



see your lies

a christian not always being mild in speech and attitude
is far far better than a false jw's idiotcy and habitual lying

Mat_7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

false jw's are among the peoples Jesus was talking and prophesying off there
they are an org. of false prophets and more
later or tomorrow i will post some of false jw's false prophecies

Hmmmmmmmmmm it's appropriate avoiding you since you're always calling others who have contrary opinions "sons of Satan" quoting John 8:44
But i feel obliged to set matters straight because of others who might be interested in the correct applications of Jesus' statements.
First of all what happened surely buttress my point that "social media is not the appropriate place for preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom". Jesus sent His own followers out to go and meet people in their homes so that people can learn from them not only verbally but including their activities and attitudes. So sitting on a chair or walking along the streets and spewing all sort of things in the air without talking ONE ON ONE with your audience won't yield any positive effect. At Pentecost, Christians were preaching in different tongues. Certainly each one of them is speaking directly with an individual whose language the spirit grants them to speak.
If all those claiming Christians are to go from house to house in their neighborhood like Jehovah's Witnesses(Act 20:20) i wonder how easy it would be for a Christian to be insultive or lacking self-control. But facelessly on social media or just talking to no one in particular such a person could be as worthless as anything else after all there is no room for confrontation!
As regards directly quoting scriptures that's condemning against anyone having contrary opinion,you need to meditate on what led to such events. First of all Jesus has been preaching and teaching in the neighborhood, most of His audience are changing their attitudes, many are putting faith in Jehovah for fulfilling HIS promise to send a Messiah, His followers are also going about zealously preaching and teaching people, demons are loosing their dominance in all the territories, Jesus Himself is leading like a harmless leader. Despite all of these the religious leaders of the day are trying to frustrate Jesus and to stop His preaching and teaching program, just because of their own selfish interest and positions.
So Jesus being the Messiah or anointed one from JEHOVAH could rightly say those critics are WORKING for Satan. But referring to people having contrary opinion as satanic,whereas those ones are ACTIVELY doing something demonstrating their faith simply means you're not competent enough to convince them on what you're saying. Jesus had followers and everyone could see those acting on His teachings, that's why i kept asking all of you to name a group that's actively following what you're all claiming at least to show observers that you're yielding fine fruits just like Jesus did! Jehovah's Witnesses have ACTIVE members all across the globe and everyone can easily recognise them by their WORKS! Act 11:26
They're saying "we're the only group doing what Jesus said" so if you're claiming they aren't getting it right, then present another group that's performing better that's all. It's just as simple as ABC

johnw47:


@bold, you false jw cap believe Jesus wounds and scars are a dishonor to Him,
they don't come any more evil than you satans mob, that's for certain

@underline, Jesus never sinned, He was neither buried in dishonor or raised in dishonor

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

U are making a fool of yourself, peddling half truth ,"he was neither buried in dishonor or raised in dishonor".. What has Christ burial got to do with his dishonored body with various wounds & marks of abuse?
Christ was labeled a. "criminal" and was executed along with 2 other criminals. John 18:28-32.
He died in dishonor & was raised in glory. 1 cor 15:43,44. Make U no twist am.

{James 5:19-20} Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
If you were to look at it from this point of view, instead of looking for the excuses, and calling it barbaric you would know frustration is always standing at the door-"for those that preach to those who refuse the Word of God..

TATIME:
There is nothing evil in discussing about God's word at any point in time according to Jesus, but it's BARBARIC when someone who supposed to be a preacher is found cursing or verbally insulting someone simply because that one holds a contrary opinion. Matthew 5:22 [

Then Why, do you judge someone that doesn't practice Watchtower literature? and why do you belittle them? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat.
{Matthew 7:2-4} For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ while there is still a beam in your own eye?…

TATIME:
Sorry my friend this post escaped my notice!
Well Jesus and His friends or followers were going from village to village and preaching about God's Kingdom in all Israel to both Jews and Samaritans, the lady is from the nearby Samaritan village and so Jesus seized the opportunity to preach about God's Kingdom to her. John 4:34 Notice that Jesus likens His preaching to FOOD and WORK!
There is nothing evil in discussing about God's word at any point in time according to Jesus, but it's BARBARIC when someone who supposed to be a preacher is found cursing or verbally insulting someone simply because that one holds a contrary opinion. Matthew 5:22
The Greek text translated "PREACH" could also be rendered to plead as in begging someone to have a change of mind towards something, that's why a Christian must always be watchful of his utterances. 1Peter 3:15 compared to Psalms 19:14
You can do well to read through the comments or posts of those claiming Christians in this podium and imagine how Jesus will react if He should stand at a distance watching those who are PLEADING with a supposed unbeliever whom to them needs changes as in mindset! Matthew 5:43-48

{Romans 10:17} So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Your faith comes from the Watchtower-your works is based upon where you stand within the Watchtower-either you are one of the 144000 to be with Jehovah, or maybe by your works you will be with those left on Earth spending eternity with Jehovah's first son Michael the archangel..

TATIME:
I would have loved this debate if we're making any progress in the discussion.
"FAITH" according to Apostle Paul of blessed memories "is the assured expectation of what is hoped for the evident demonstration of realities though not seen".Hebrews 11:1 Though i'm not so much good in English class but at least i can grasp the words "assured expectation" "hope" and "demonstration". To me these three words connotes specific actions taken to show none participants that those WORKING certainly have something they're "hoping" for even though such things aren't visible to those around them!
So if you're now convinced that Paul should have stated it the other way round as in "works without faith is dead" then you should realise that it's not my fault for working towards my faith because that's what i read in my own Bible "faith without works is dead"
Of course some Israelites were busy trying to work out there salvation by the WORKS of the Mosaic Law, but it's only by putting faith in the blood of Christ that can save. Yet putting faith in the blood of Jesus to me still means doing certain things that this new mediator commissioned. Moses brought the 600 laws and those putting faith in it will surely be able to recognise the Messiah when He arrives but putting faith in the Messiah is what can bring everlasting life. Both of them need WORKS but while one must come to an end at the commencement of the other, the second will continue to be in operation till eternity! Hebrews 7:11,12 compared to Luke 1:33
That's why Paul said Christ is the END of the law (Romans 10:4) but that doesn't implies that in Christ there is no WORKS, it simply means that whatever a believer would do as WORKS for God henceforth must be in accordance with what Jesus (Christ or Messiah)commanded! Philippians 2:12,4:8
Once again i'll say thanks my dear friend, God bless you!

Gruni1234:


Young Sir, I would like to ask some questions, I will be glad you can answer me and not ignore me.

From your speculation, you said because theos lack definite article it should translated "a god"

Now my question is:

1.is theos always translated as " a god" whenever there's no definite article preceding it?


2. Are Christians Polatheist or Monotheist?

Thank you

Sir ,Gruni1234,

1) It is not speculation, But, SOLID FACT.
KJV Bible was translated from the Textus Receptus ,16th century manuscript.
Acts 28:6 (word for word transliteration to English):
" They said god him to be" (in other words , they said he is god".

Acts 28:6 kJV Bible...
"...they changed their minds, and said that he was a god"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_1:1

1B).
"... they changed their minds and said he was a god" Acts 28:6 (NIV)

"... they changed their minds and said he was a god" Acts 28:6 (CSB).

Different Bible versions has virtually the same rendition.

https://biblehub.com/acts/28-6.htm


"....they shouted, this is the voice of a god, not a man". Acts12:22. NIV

"....And the people gave a shout, saying, it is the voice of a god, not of a man"
Acts12:22. KJV.
https://biblehub.com/acts/12-22.htm

The various Bible versions confirmed the fact
" a god" is the proper rendition because the grammatical construct is the same with John 1:1.
The grammatical construct of the original language manuscript as well as the context determines the placement of indefinite article.
"a god or divine or godlike" , any of this is appropriate.

2) The Christianity taught & practiced by Jesus Christ is monotheistic , just like Judaism.

Gruni1234:


Young Sir, I would like to ask some questions, I will be glad you can answer me and not ignore me.

From your speculation, you said because theos lack definite article it should translated "a god"

Now my question is:

1.is theos always translated as " a god" whenever there's no definite article preceding it?


2. Are Christians Polatheist or Monotheist?

Thank you

Sir, my response to Q2 ,

The Christianity taught & practiced by Jesus Christ is strictly monotheism, similar to Judaism.
Jesus answered, "the first is ' Hear O Israel, Jehovah (Yahweh) our God is one Jehovah (Yahweh)" Mark 12:29. Deut 6:4.


That's the reason Jesus called Jehovah (Yahweh), his God & Father, " the ONLY TRUE GOD.
John 17:3. Exodus 6:3. Psalms 83:18.
Trinity , (the triune god )is counterfeit Christianity.
Shalom.

johnw47:


oh duh, the Word was with "the God", of course He was, the word was not with "a god"
john is talking about "the God" and he then says "and God was the Word"
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word

john is not talking about two gods there as false jw's believe in, a almighty god and a mighty god


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For your mind U think U're educated
but. your education is useless to U & your society.

Where, when & how did two distinct spirit beings ,the Word & the God transformed into one spirit being, Almighty God ?
Johnw47, pls reply.

One of the men who invented Trinity , before the Council of Nicene was convened, Tertullian , (one of the Early Church Fathers) in the early third century wrote:
" Now if this one ("the Word" is God according to John (" the Word is God", then you have two: one who speaks that it may be, and another who carries it out. However, you should accept this as "another" I have explained: as concerning person, not substance, and as distinct, not division"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_1:1


the man Tertullian write say U be mumu with no sense but stupidity.

OneJ:


Sir ,Gruni1234,

1) It is not speculation, But, SOLID FACT.
KJV Bible was translated from the Textus Receptus ,16th century manuscript.
Acts 28:6 (word for word transliteration to English):
" They said god him to be" (in other words , they said he is god".

Acts 28:6 kJV Bible...
"...they changed their minds, and said that he was a god"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_1:1

1B).
"... they changed their minds and said he was a god" Acts 28:6 (NIV)

"... they changed their minds and said he was a god" Acts 28:6 (CSB).

Different Bible versions has virtually the same rendition.

https://biblehub.com/acts/28-6.htm


"....they shouted, this is the voice of a god, not a man". Acts12:22. NIV

"....And the people gave a shout, saying, it is the voice of a god, not of a man"
Acts12:22. KJV.
https://biblehub.com/acts/12-22.htm

The various Bible versions confirmed the fact
" a god" is the proper rendition because the grammatical construct is the same with John 1:1.
The grammatical construct of the original language manuscript as well as the context determines the placement of indefinite article.
"a god or divine or godlike" , any of this is appropriate.

2) The Christianity taught & practiced by Jesus Christ is monotheistic , just like Judaism.

My dear OneJ, thanks for the answer. Can I point to you where the definite article isn't proceeding theos but was still translated as God " Almighty" . I will shortly do that. Now taking a look at your claim, I have read the Acts 28:6 and there's something we need to analyse here. Someone was writing an account concerning what happened on a journey. The writer of Acts said the people said Paul was a god. This is the people saying so. Now the people making this statement should be polytheist because they say Paul was "a god", meaning they believed in different gods and Paul was one of them. There was an account in Acts where the Greeks thought, Pual and Barnabas were gods, one Mercurius and the other Jupiter, these were greek gods of old. The priest even went ahead to make sacrifices to them. You see my dear, this was written because it was witnessed by the writer, not to imply that these gods were accepted by Christianity. In Acts 28 another similar things happened when they thought Paul was a god. But in the case of Jesus Christ and John 1:1, the writer was speaking specifically about the epitome of your faith, Jesus Christ, if he assumes that Jesus was a type of god, another god and not the Almighty then Christians are Polytheist and not Monotheist. I hope this find you well. Your colleagues accuse me of me being a pretender, and fake etc the thing is it doesnt take rocket science to understand the written words in a book. I'm an open person, I love reading and doing researches, I have done great deal of research into Islam to know that Islam is false, and Muhammed is a sex addict, and was occasionally possessed by the devil, how do I know this? Logic, the quran tells you many things, and common logic will show you the truth.

brocab:
{James 5:19-20} Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
If you were to look at it from this point of view, instead of looking for the excuses, and calling it barbaric you would know frustration is always standing at the door-"for those that preach to those who refuse the Word of God..

Then Why, do you judge someone that doesn't practice Watchtower literature? and why do you belittle them? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat.
{Matthew 7:2-4} For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ while there is still a beam in your own eye?…

You're trying but let's reason together to see clearly how those quoted scriptures should be applied to make sense.
"For with the judgement you pronounce, you shall be judged and with the measure you use, it shall be measured to you" Matthew 7:1,2
Jesus is the RIGHTEOUS judge who will judge everyone according to what they measured out to others, of course i can decide not to be your friend because of some things i dislike but if i now condone the same thing from others, of what reason am i refraining from you? So Jesus is saying you shouldn't judge hypocritically because if you're telling people that smiling is a SIN of course it's not so from God's standpoint but you mustn't smile otherwise God will judge you according to your own measurement!
As for those preaching the TRUTH from God's word, they're always happy whether people accept their preaching or not. So there is nothing like "Frustration" for TRUE Christians, rather they're happy people even if you inflict pain on them talkless merely rejecting their message. Act 5:41,42
On the other hand it's Satan's agents that do become enraged with frustration,and they look forward to stopping or harming those having contrary opinion. Act 5:33-40 compared to Luke 21:12
If you're claiming to be a Christian and i say you're not getting it right, Jesus never said a Christian should start cursing or abusing such a person. What Master Jesus said is let such a person becomes to you like the tax collectors.{Matthew 18:15-17} Meaning you should stop farther sacred services with such a person in other not to contaminate your worship before the true God. Psalms 1:1,2
But as for the judgment of those at fault, it's Jesus that's coming to handle that not you or me{Revelations 22:10-12} The only thing i can do is to avoid having anything regarding spirituality with you. 2John 10,11
In all of these, FRUSTRATION shouldn't come in because each person will carry his own load. Galatians 6:4,5
So my friend, whether people accept Christ or reject Him it's not our own to place curses on them or engage them in verbal abuse. Luke 9:51-56
God bless you!

OneJ:


Sir, my response to Q2 ,

The Christianity taught & practiced by Jesus Christ is strictly monotheism, similar to Judaism.
Jesus answered, "the first is ' Hear O Israel, Jehovah (Yahweh) our God is one Jehovah (Yahweh)" Mark 12:29. Deut 6:4.


That's the reason Jesus called Jehovah (Yahweh), his God & Father, " the ONLY TRUE GOD.
John 17:3. Exodus 6:3. Psalms 83:18.
Trinity , (the triune god )is counterfeit Christianity.
Shalom.

My dear, Thank you for the answer, kindly out of respect answer zodiakzax too because we are all here to ascertain truth, I'm keen to know the answer to that question where he asked you if Charles Russell was the founder of the Jehovah Witnesses organization. At least the dictionary says he was don't know why he's asking you but kindly answer as you deem fit to answer mine.

Now, I'm glad you said Christains are Monotheist and not polytheist. Can you kindly explain why you still consider Christianity as being Monotheist even though you say Jesus is "a god"? Because we have two gods, one greater than the other.




Before yoy answer kindly research about the Greek gods and goddesses, Egyptian gods, etc you will understand how the gods are viewed in ancient greece and Egypt,.some are higher than some in power, strength,might, wisdom, beauty etc but they are all gods. Thank you.

Gruni1234:

My dear, Thank you for the answer, kindly out of respect answer zodiakzax too because we are all here to ascertain truth, I'm keen to know the answer to that question where he asked you if Charles Russell was the founder of the Jehovah Witnesses organization. At least the dictionary says he was don't know why he's asking you but kindly answer as you deem fit to answer mine.
Now, I'm glad you said Christains are Monotheist and not polytheist. Can you kindly explain why you still consider Christianity as being Monotheist even though you say Jesus is "a god"? Because we have two gods, one greater than the other.
Before yoy answer kindly research about the Greek gods and goddesses, Egyptian gods, etc you will understand how the gods are viewed in ancient greece and Egypt,.some are higher than some in power, strength,might, wisdom, beauty etc but they are all gods. Thank you.

Professor Atheist/Trinitarian Gruni1234, You're running away from your own shadow after your cover has been blown open.
Polytheism or Monotheism has nothing to do with the true God, HE said there are many Gods and that means people from different nationalities worship them NOT HIS own faithful servants!
So if anyone agrees with different doctrines and teachings, automatically such a person can't be a worshipper of the true God. Deuteronomy 6:4 compared with Mark 12:29.
HE made both Moses and Jesus served as God at some point in time but "they're not to be worshipped" rather they both served as HIS representative in the midst of their respective confused contemporaries.
That's why when the Israelites couldn't figure out Moses's whereabout they instantly go for a graven image, undoubtedly this confused people were viewing Moses as their God who was leading them! Exodus 32:1
Jesus asked His own followers this question to know how they're viewing Him "who do you say i am?" Matthew 16:15
Peter quickly responded "you're the Messiah, the son of the living God" Matthew 16:16
Jesus Commended Peter and said on this (platform) He will build His congregation. After His resurrection He told Mary "i am returning to my father your father, and to your God my God" John 20:17
What is confusing you is the meaning of the title "God" and things associated with that title. Whoever practices interfaith is surely a worshipper of Gods not God,you're making references to ancient Egypt, Greece and others but failed to realize that you're also doing the same thing they did back then,if you can't stick to and continue worshiping with a group having unique qualities! Those nations hate Israel simply because Israelites won't accept worshipping with them, all of them do come together during their festivals NO delegates from Israel will attend their festivities!
Today all of you though having different thoughts, conflicting teachings and contradicting doctrines do things in common with the exception of Jehovah's Witnesses, that's the secret behind the hatred, nothing more,if you have ears listen and learn!

Christianity is the most appealing way of life there is. Even those who never heard anything about Christianity were moved after listening to a Christian defending his faith before an audience. Act 26:25-28
But the idea of Trinity stinks, that's why those publicizing it back then had to continue killing whoever demand for an explanation of the theory, they burned William Tyndale alive for making the Bible accessible to common people.

OneJ:


Sir ,Gruni1234,

1) It is not speculation, But, SOLID FACT.
KJV Bible was translated from the Textus Receptus ,16th century manuscript.
Acts 28:6 (word for word transliteration to English):
" They said god him to be" (in other words , they said he is god".

Acts 28:6 kJV Bible...
"...they changed their minds, and said that he was a god"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_1:1

1B).
"... they changed their minds and said he was a god" Acts 28:6 (NIV)

"... they changed their minds and said he was a god" Acts 28:6 (CSB).

Different Bible versions has virtually the same rendition.

https://biblehub.com/acts/28-6.htm


"....they shouted, this is the voice of a god, not a man". Acts12:22. NIV

"....And the people gave a shout, saying, it is the voice of a god, not of a man"
Acts12:22. KJV.
https://biblehub.com/acts/12-22.htm

The various Bible versions confirmed the fact
" a god" is the proper rendition because the grammatical construct is the same with John 1:1.
The grammatical construct of the original language manuscript as well as the context determines the placement of indefinite article.
"a god or divine or godlike" , any of this is appropriate.

2) The Christianity taught & practiced by Jesus Christ is monotheistic , just like Judaism.

If na we quote Wikipedia you will say is apostacy. Lol. Solid fact indeed

Gruni1234:


My dear OneJ, thanks for the answer. Can I point to you where the definite article isn't proceeding theos but was still translated as God " Almighty" . I will shortly do that. Now taking a look at your claim, I have read the Acts 28:6 and there's something we need to analyse here. Someone was writing an account concerning what happened on a journey. The writer of Acts said the people said Paul was a god. This is the people saying so. Now the people making this statement should be polytheist because they say Paul was "a god", meaning they believed in different gods and Paul was one of them. There was an account in Acts where the Greeks thought, Pual and Barnabas were gods, one Mercurius and the other Jupiter, these were greek gods of old. The priest even went ahead to make sacrifices to them. You see my dear, this was written because it was witnessed by the writer, not to imply that these gods were accepted by Christianity. In Acts 28 another similar things happened when they thought Paul was a god. But in the case of Jesus Christ and John 1:1, the writer was speaking specifically about the epitome of your faith, Jesus Christ, if he assumes that Jesus was a type of god, another god and not the Almighty then Christians are Polytheist and not Monotheist. I hope this find you well. Your colleagues accuse me of me being a pretender, and fake etc the thing is it doesnt take rocket science to understand the written words in a book. I'm an open person, I love reading and doing researches, I have done great deal of research into Islam to know that Islam is false, and Muhammed is a sex addict, and was occasionally possessed by the devil, how do I know this? Logic, the quran tells you many things, and common logic will show you the truth.

You know jws just quote phrases in a verse and never use the context the phrase was used in that verse or chapter.

Hairyrapunzel:


You know jws just quote phrases in a verse and never use the context the phrase was used in that verse or chapter.

Anti~JW virus loading.......

TATIME:
Anti~JW virus loading.......

You have still not given a name for the group they called Christians in the Bible.

Hairyrapunzel:

You have still not given a name for the group they called Christians in the Bible.

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TATIME:
Still loading......

I refused to be a dunce like you. I am free to use my brain and think independently whereas you on the other hand can't use the brain Jehovah gave you. You know you will be punished for using your brain.

Hairyrapunzel:


I refused to be a dunce like you. I am free to use my brain and think independently whereas you on the other hand can't use the brain Jehovah gave you. You know you will be punished for using your brain.

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TATIME:
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You just remind me of someone that used to always tell me I didn't comprehend. He later saw that your religion is just a scam. How will you scam 8 million people that they will live forever on earth after Their God finishes killing 8 billion people?

The reason for this worst genocide is that the 8billion people didn't join a New York based publishing company called watchtower and they didn't accept 8 imperfect, uninspired and fallible men as the only means of communication between God and man today.

Hairyrapunzel:



You just remind me of someone that used to always tell me I didn't comprehend. He later saw that your religion is just a scam. How will you scam 8 million people that they will live forever on earth after Their God finishes killing 8 billion people?

The reason for this worst genocide is that the 8billion people didn't join a New York based publishing company called watchtower and they didn't accept 8 imperfect, uninspired and fallible men as the only means of communication between God and man today.

Gbam! Alarm don blow!

TATIME:
Gbam! Alarm don blow!

Oya defend your beliefs. I am waiting for you to tell us about Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah.

Hairyrapunzel:


Oya defend your beliefs. I am waiting for you to tell us about Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah.

Walahi Talahi this anti~jw virus is worst oooooooo.

OneJ:


Everyone who viewed this thread is already aware that your other 4 fingers have judged & condemned U.
Because U no fit disprove all the scriptures that contradicted your flawed doctrine , u dey hide behind flimsy excuses.

@underline, ha ha that from false jw onej who is showed wrong in most every post
yoiu are of course talking about yourself again false jw, you do a lot of that

@bold, you mean every false jw who viewed this thread
ha ha, you couldnt say the truth if your life depended on it
and it does:

Rev_2:2  I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

TATIME:
Walahi Talahi this anti~jw virus is worst oooooooo.

No more threats of Noah and the ark and Sodom and Gomorrah? Lol. Una never start. You will die hoping and wishing but nothing will come. Lol

TATIME:
In all of these, FRUSTRATION shouldn't come in because each person will carry his own load. Galatians 6:4,5 So my friend, whether people accept Christ or reject Him it's not our own to place curses on them or engage them in verbal abuse. Luke 9:51-56 God bless you!

The truth is, its Hypocritical-you are not as innocent as you would like us to believe, you do the same things 'you accuse us off, you return evil with verbal abuse, every time the Word of God is said, you return it by trying to destroy it, you curse us when you can't find the answer, you steer the subject in another direction.
You start the arguments, knowing you can't finish them, we have always return the Word of God back to you-and yet you stumble against it..
You return our good conduct with evil! We are here to preach the gospel, you are here to preach Watchtower literature, we are here protecting the Word of God; We preach Christ the Son of God-you preach Michael as Christ the Son of God! We preach two different gospels. "You should take it from your own beliefs, do you not protect the Watchtower?}

TATIME:
There is nothing evil in discussing about God's word at any point in time according to Jesus, but it's BARBARIC when someone who supposed to be a preacher is found cursing or verbally insulting someone simply because that one holds a contrary opinion. Matthew 5:22 [

Do you have to be like those that sin against you? Do you have to give back evil for evil-you judge the world because they are not part of your congregation, and It's BARBARIC when someone disagrees with you, but it seems' it is not BARBARIC when you disagree with somebody else..
Hypocritical is my word for you today!

TATIME:
You're trying but let's reason together to see clearly how those quoted scriptures should be applied to make sense.
"For with the judgement you pronounce, you shall be judged and with the measure you use, it shall be measured to you" Matthew 7:1,2
Jesus is the RIGHTEOUS judge who will judge everyone according to what they measured out to others, of course i can decide not to be your friend because of some things i dislike but if i now condone the same thing from others, of what reason am i refraining from you? So Jesus is saying you shouldn't judge hypocritically because if you're telling people that smiling is a SIN of course it's not so from God's standpoint but you mustn't smile otherwise God will judge you according to your own measurement!
As for those preaching the TRUTH from God's word, they're always happy whether people accept their preaching or not. So there is nothing like "Frustration" for TRUE Christians, rather they're happy people even if you inflict pain on them talkless merely rejecting their message. Act 5:41,42
On the other hand it's Satan's agents that do become enraged with frustration,and they look forward to stopping or harming those having contrary opinion. Act 5:33-40 compared to Luke 21:12
If you're claiming to be a Christian and i say you're not getting it right, Jesus never said a Christian should start cursing or abusing such a person. What Master Jesus said is let such a person becomes to you like the tax collectors.{Matthew 18:15-17} Meaning you should stop farther sacred services with such a person in other not to contaminate your worship before the true God. Psalms 1:1,2
But as for the judgment of those at fault, it's Jesus that's coming to handle that not you or me{Revelations 22:10-12} The only thing i can do is to avoid having anything regarding spirituality with you. 2John 10,11
In all of these, FRUSTRATION shouldn't come in because each person will carry his own load. Galatians 6:4,5
So my friend, whether people accept Christ or reject Him it's not our own to place curses on them or engage them in verbal abuse. Luke 9:51-56
God bless you!

{John 2:18-22} NWT Bible Therefore, in response the Jews said to him: “What sign can you show us, since you are doing these things?”
Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
{Jesus said: He will raise Himself up in 3 day's {1 Corinthians 6:14, Acts 2:24} By His power God raised the Lord from the dead..
This must mean Jesus and the Father are One..
{Verse 20} The Jews then said: “This temple was built in 46 years, and will you raise it up in three days?”
But he was talking about the temple of his body. When, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples recalled that he used to say this, and they believed the scripture and what Jesus had spoken.

brocab:

The truth is, its Hypocritical-you are not as innocent as you would like us to believe, you do the same things 'you accuse us off, you return evil with verbal abuse, every time the Word of God is said, you return it by trying to destroy it, you curse us when you can't find the answer, you steer the subject in another direction.
You start the arguments, knowing you can't finish them, we have always return the Word of God back to you-and yet you stumble against it..
You return our good conduct with evil! We are here to preach the gospel, you are here to preach Watchtower literature, we are here protecting the Word of God; We preach Christ the Son of God-you preach Michael as Christ the Son of God! We preach two different gospels. "You should take it from your own beliefs, do you not protect the Watchtower?}

Do you have to be like those that sin against you? Do you have to give back evil for evil-you judge the world because they are not part of your congregation, and It's BARBARIC when someone disagrees with you, but it seems' it is not BARBARIC when you disagree with somebody else..
Hypocritical is my word for you today!

Hmmmmmmmmmm well all i'm saying is "there is no way you can work efficiently for someone who perfectly set the example if you're not doing it according to the laid down arrangement"
Jesus taught His followers to go and meet people face to face not hiding behind some forms of media only to start cursing and insulting those who disregard or disagree with them.
Whether a person is claiming to be a JW or any other group, it's BARBARIC cursing or insulting people when you're supposed to be pleading with them!
You can claim to be on the Lord's side but try to meditate thoroughly on how Jesus will react seeing you cursing or insulting your audience simply because they turned you or the word down.
That's what i called BARBARIC!

written by a christian,
some of false jw's false prophecies:

The Witnesses make many claims in their attempt to convert you to their faith. They profess to have the only true Christian church, to be the only true representatives of God, to have the only correct biblical teaching, and to be the only true announcers of Jehovah's coming kingdom.

If they are the only true church and are the only true voice of God's word, then what they say should prove to be true and especially in prophecy. When it comes to predicting the future, the Watchtower organization fails miserably. Following are some of the false predictions made over the years by the Watchtower organization. If you present these to a JW, he will probably say something like, "Those are taken out of context," or "They didn't claim to be the prophet of God," or "The light is getting brighter, and we are understanding Bible prophecy better now," etc. Make a copy of these false prophecies, found in the appendix, and give it to them to check. They are right out of the Witnesses' literature.

Remember Deut. 18:22, "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." If someone makes a false prophecy and they have claimed to be a prophet of God, then they are false prophets and are not to be listened to. Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes, they do.

In 1972 the Jehovah's Witness Watchtower claimed to be the prophet of God.

IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET"--"So does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? . . . This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian Witnesses . . . Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a 'prophet' of God. It is another thing to prove it," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1972, p. 197). (See Deut. 18:21.)

1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874," (Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 4, p. 621).
1899 " . . . the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).
1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873," (The Time Is at Hand, forward, p. ii).
1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection," (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).
1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).
1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).
1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year," (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1925, p. 3).
1925 "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work," (Watchtower, Sept., 1925, p. 262).
1926 "Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything," (Watchtower, p. 232).
1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time . . . and they also learned to quit fixing dates," (Vindication, p. 338).
1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end to the world', even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? . . . Missing from such people were God's truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them," (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968).
1968 "Why are you looking forward to 1975?" (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494).
A JW might say that the organization is still learning. If that is so, then how can they trust what they are taught now by the Watchtower? Will what they are being taught now change also?



A true prophet of God won't err in prophesying. Only a false prophet does. The Jehovah's Witness organization, that claims to be a prophet of God, is really a false prophet. Jesus warned us by saying, "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible" (Matt. 24:24).

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmmm it's appropriate avoiding you since you're always calling others who have contrary opinions "sons of Satan"

false jw tatime of course you cannot stop lying, you are sons of satan because you don't believe God and change the plain and clear meaning of His word

when the plain sense of scripture makes common sense
then seek no other sense
as false jw's do