TATIME:
Whoever claims to be a Christian no matter what he or she practices as in his/her worship!

If you need help on those questions asked relating to who is a BELIEVER, just ask, make we find something for you to read.

OneJ:

Mark 12:29 ,Jesus quoted Deut 6:4. "Jehovah our God is one Jehovah" (The Lord no dey Hebrew manuscript, if U quoted another person, U stick to his statement in your mother tongue).
One God, the only true God, Yahweh/Jehovah (John 17:3) is not Jesus Christ.

the son , the Father and the ghost is indeed 3gods, triune Gods.

"I am " does not exist in Hebrew language. (pls research. )Exo 3:14 have no link with John 8:58, where your mind dey.
The Hebrew. "I will be what I will be" was mistranslated as. " I am" in Exo 3:14.
More later...

Look at it this way.
The script said and she was found with the child of the Holy Spirit.
Then Jesus Himself said that God was his father. Later He said that Him and His Father are One.
When the Jews took up stones to throw at Him, He said asked them, of all the good deeds you see me do from the Father, which one are you beating me up for? They answered Him saying, for good work we stone thee not, but thou being a man and maketh thyself God. You see, they understood the meaning of what it meant to be The Son of God, it means God incarnate. But they were only helping Him get to the cross. They were fulfilling scripture. After He rose from the dead, in Revelation He was now back to His true form. He said "I am the First and the Last" read everything He was saying, it was like God is talking
Jehovah of the Old testament is Jesus of the New testament

OneJ:
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Shut up your BLASPHEMOUS mouth there..
Every person conversant with Hebrew language is aware that "she" in Hebrew is different from "she" in English language.
Your fellow Trinitarian online site , gotquestions.com and other sources confirmed the solid fact U are here kicking against.

U make yourself look FOOLISH whenever U come online to display your "IBERIBEISM".
SERIAL LIAR

Proverbs 31:10-31
10 A wife of noble character who can find?
She is worth far more than rubies.
11 Her husband has full confidence in her
and lacks nothing of value.
12 She brings him good, not harm,
all the days of her life.
13 She selects wool and flax
and works with eager hands.
14 She is like the merchant ships,
bringing her food from afar.
15 She gets up while it is still night;
she provides food for her family
and portions for her female servants.
16 She considers a field and buys it;
out of her earnings she plants a vineyard.
17 She sets about her work vigorously;
her arms are strong for her tasks.
18 She sees that her trading is profitable,
and her lamp does not go out at night.
19 In her hand she holds the distaff
and grasps the spindle with her fingers.
20 She opens her arms to the poor
and extends her hands to the needy.
21 When it snows, she has no fear for her household;
for all of them are clothed in scarlet.
22 She makes coverings for her bed;
she is clothed in fine linen and purple.
23 Her husband is respected at the city gate,
where he takes his seat among the elders of the land.
24 She makes linen garments and sells them,
and supplies the merchants with sashes.
25 She is clothed with strength and dignity;
she can laugh at the days to come.
26 She speaks with wisdom,
and faithful instruction is on her tongue.
27 She watches over the affairs of her household
and does not eat the bread of idleness.
28 Her children arise and call her blessed;
her husband also, and he praises her:
29 “Many women do noble things,
but you surpass them all.”
30 Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting;
but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised.
31 Honor her for all that her hands have done,
and let her works bring her praise at the city gate.


Did you see the she they used to scatter this passage? I guess it's a man they were talking about.

I no fit laff o. Jehovah's witnesses will not kill me with laff. This one is saying she in English doesn't mean woman/girl in Hebrew scriptures because he wants to force us to believe his assumption that wisdom in proverbs 8 is Jesus Christ and wisdom is a man. Lol o.

Hi, I have been quite busy. I will make time and respond appropriately. Now, if John 1:1 is translated as "a god" that will make Christians Polytheist no doubt. We have instances where the definite article didn't preceed theos but was still rendered God (I will provide scriptures from sources later). Christians are not Polytheist because Christians have only One God and One Lord. My question is if most scholars agree that the word was divine, why didn't the NWT leave it as such? Why say "a god" when that will make Christianity Polytheist. Have a nice day.

zodiakzax:


...

As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and Lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1 Corinthians 8:4‭-‬6 KJV


But unto US THERES BUT ONE GOD AND ONE LORD, AGAINST THEIR MANY GODS AND MANY LORDS....WE HAVE ONLY ONE GOD AND ONE LORD.. ..pagan..idol worshipper..

Where did the sovereign Lord said in heaven angels Are gods and Jesus is a god... .... what kind of sovereign Lord is He if He's not the One Lord.... ... We only have ONE ONE ONE ONE ONE LORD NOT TWO LORDS.. ...dirty pagans...liar...trying to put your words in the bible...we catch you

U dey quote 1 Cor 8:4-6 wey U done shut down your brain to reject, make the truth no sink in.

"For though there be that are called gods , whether in heaven or in earth" vs 5,

Zodiakzax , who are those called gods in heaven?

Everybody dey see your lies with korokoro eyes.

Barristter07:

Sovereign Lord is over ALL.

Jesus is not the one addressed as sovereign Lord. That renders your postulation weak and useless

Don't forget someone made him Lord , But no one made the Father God.

So it's basically senseless comparing the two

My dear Barristter07, if God the Father is the sovereign Lord then why is Jesus the Christ the One Lord? This question by zodiakzax is clear enough for me. If I come to your house and your father is head of the house but delegates that authority you, does it mean that your Father stops being the head? Nay, He is the overall head right? So in this case when I come and ask who is the One head of the family, your Father should be the one in question not you the son for you were only sharing in the authority of your Father, you are not the authority. Now it is very interesting that there is One God and One Lord. And these are both the Father and the Son. The Father is God and the Son is the Ruler and Master.

OneJ:
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Shut up your BLASPHEMOUS mouth there..
Every person conversant with Hebrew language is aware that "she" in Hebrew is different from "she" in English language.
Your fellow Trinitarian online site , gotquestions.com and other sources confirmed the solid fact U are here kicking against.

U make yourself look FOOLISH whenever U come online to display your "IBERIBEISM".
SERIAL LIAR

I actually give you a hard time because I don't fall for your gibberish. She is not woman/girl in Hebrew scriptures. Rotflol. Your are frustrated already lol.

Gruni1234:
Hi, I have been quite busy. I will make time and respond appropriately. Now, if John 1:1 is translated as "a god" that will make Christians Polytheist no doubt. We have instances where the definite article didn't preceed theos but was still rendered God (I will provide scriptures from sources later). Christians are not Polytheist because Christians have only One God and One Lord. My question is if most scholars agree that the word was divine, why didn't the NWT leave it as such? Why say "a god" when that will make Christianity Polytheist. Have a nice day.

1)
Christians are not polytheists if John 1:1 reads Jesus "the Word is a god".
It perfects & solidify the harmony of the holy scriptures.

2) U already know that various credible sources confirmed that " Divine" is synonymous with " a god, godlike" ,(just as six & half dozen),but your biase& lack of objectivity is the problem here.
I can't fathom why U are bringing this up again.

3). Mr Gruni, remove indefinite articles from Acts 12:22 ,Acts 28:6 & defend the rendition of both verses without indefinite articles.
That's what every unbiased observer (that U had claimed to be) would do.

Until U do the needful (1) above, U are running away from the truth


4). Psalms 82:6, is Yahweh wrong to call his sons "gods"?

1 Cor 8:5, who are the gods in heaven ?

5) Is the one God in 1 Cor 8:6 contradicting your "the word is God" John 1:1 ?
Shalom.

Gruni1234:
Hi, I have been quite busy. I will make time and respond appropriately. Now, if John 1:1 is translated as "a god" that will make Christians Polytheist no doubt. We have instances where the definite article didn't preceed theos but was still rendered God (I will provide scriptures from sources later). Christians are not Polytheist because Christians have only One God and One Lord. My question is if most scholars agree that the word was divine, why didn't the NWT leave it as such? Why say "a god" when that will make Christianity Polytheist. Have a nice day.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

What do you make of this?

OneJ:

No.
Christians are not polytheists if John 1:1 reads Jesus "the Word is a god".
It perfects & solidify the harmony of the holy scriptures.

1). Mr Gruni, remove indefinite articles from Acts 12:22 ,Acts 28:6 & defend the rendition of both verses without indefinite articles.
That's what every unbiased observer (that U had claimed to be) would do.

Until U do the needful (1) above, U are running away from the truth


2). Psalms 82:6, is Yahweh wrong to call his sons "gods"?

1 Cor 8:5, who are the gods in heaven ?

3). Is the one God in 1 Cor 8:6 contradicting your "the word is God" John 1:1 ?
Shalom.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

What does it mean

OneJ:



U dey quote 1 Cor 8:4-6 wey U done shut down your brain to reject, make the truth no sink in.

"For though there be that are called gods , whether in heaven or in earth" vs 5,

Zodiakzax , who are those called gods in heaven?

Everybody dey see your lies with korokoro eyes.

My dear OneJ, let us be wise and read carefully all that your holy Scriptures say and let us in all honesty seek truth. For though they be that are called gods and lords etc, the writer says that about idols. False gods, he said for though there are some that are called gods and lords but unto the Christian the is but One God and One Lord. If Christianity Aknowledges that there are many gods then I'm sorry dear then your religion is Polytheism not monotheism. You see you might think im taking sides buts that's not the case. From every source Christianity is Monotheist but if Christianity believes in many gods then the religion is to be questioned. I'm very critical about this. I think ypubshould also stop playing games, we are learned and we know and understand what we read..thank.you.

OneJ:

No.
Christians are not polytheists if John 1:1 reads Jesus "the Word is a god".
It perfects & solidify the harmony of the holy scriptures.

1). Mr Gruni, remove indefinite articles from Acts 12:22 ,Acts 28:6 & defend the rendition of both verses without indefinite articles.
That's what every unbiased observer (that U had claimed to be) would do.

Until U do the needful (1) above, U are running away from the truth


2). Psalms 82:6, is Yahweh wrong to call his sons "gods"?

1 Cor 8:5, who are the gods in heaven ?

3). Is the one God in 1 Cor 8:6 contradicting your "the word is God" John 1:1 ?
Shalom.

My dear OneJ, like is said, we are not here to play nor do we lack understanding. 1cor 8:6 is clear to say there's is but only One God and One Lord in Christianity. Even though some worship many gods and many lords, we worship only One God and One Lord. Please kindly accept this or let it go. I am not unwise not to understand this for myself. If you still persist in fighting this lost cause then I do not think you are fit to.even understand your own bible.

Can you kindly tell me Who the sons are in Psalms 82?


So why not leave it to be and the Word was Divine? Why did the NWT insert another meaning? Is the translation not supposed to be accurate? You can put a foot note there if you want but to render it "a god" makes a laughing stock of your own belief my dear.

brodalokie:



1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

What do you make of this?

That's a famous fake ,falsified insertion added into the holy scriptures by Trinitarians to promote their falsehood.( Pls research).

"He who was manifest " is the authentic rendition of 1 tim 3:16.
U have claimed that Trinity dogma is falsehood. How come U are speaking with both sides of your mouth?

Gruni1234:


My dear OneJ, like is said, we are not here to play nor do we lack understanding. 1cor 8:6 is clear to say there's is but only One God and One Lord in Christianity. Even though some worship many gods and many lords, we worship only One God and One Lord. Please kindly accept this or let it go. I am or unwise not to understand this for myself. If you still persist in fighting this lost cause then I do not think you are fit to.even understand your own bible.

Can you kindly tell me Who the sons are in Psalms 82?

Psalms 82:6, is Yahweh wrong to call his sons "gods"?
Mr Gruni , in 1 cor 8:5, who are the gods in heaven ? straight forward question.

johnw47:

we have seen how false jw's are false prophets
and so not of God

here is a little on the contradictions of false jw's
written by a christian:


The Watchtower says it is God's only true organization: "Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book," (Watchtower, July 1, 1973, p. 402). It claims to speak for God, yet it has produced numerous contradictory statements. Therefore, it is not God's organization.

Who is the Faithful and Discreet Slave, the Watchtower Organization or Charles Taze Russell?

Watchtower Organization is Faithful and Discreet Slave:
"Jesus foretold that among his people there would be a "faithful and discreet slave" class who would be providing the spiritual food to God's family of devoted servants on earth, acting as his channel of communication and overseeing the carrying out of the Kingdom interests world wide. (Matt. 24:45-47) These anointed overseers serve as though being guided in their activities by the right hand of Christ," (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1969, p. 51).
Russell is Faithful and Discreet Slave:
"Thousands of the readers of Pastor Russell's writings believe that he filled the office of 'that faithful and wise servant,' and that his great work was giving to the household of faith meat in due season. His modesty and humility precluded him from openly claiming this title, but he admitted as much in private conversation," (Watchtower, Dec. 1, 1916, p. 357).
Watchtower Denies Russell ever claimed to be Faithful and Discreet Slave:
"From this it is clearly seen that the editor and publisher of Zion's Watch Tower disavowed any claim to being individually, in his person, that "faithful and wise servant." He never did claim to be such," (God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years has Approached, 1973, p. 346).
Watchtower claims to be only organization to find scriptural guidance yet condemns the Vatican for doing the same thing.
Watchtower is the only organization able to interpret the Bible:

I am not with the Jehovah's Witnesses, but just recently came across this while doing searches. I am particularly interested in what is being said about Charles Taze Russell. Contrary to the way it is often made to appear there was no "organization" such as the Jehovah's Witnesses associated with the Watch Tower in the days of Russell. Russell would not allow the Watch Tower of his day to be used for such sectarian authoritarianism. Evidently, however, there were those who were advocating a kind of sectarian authoritarianism even while Russell was alive, but it was held in restraint until after Russell died. Russell, however, was never a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses, and Rutherford created the 'Jehovah's Witnesses' organization by rejecting the core Biblical teachings of Russell, and replacing them with teachings that, as far as I am able to ascertain, are basically still held to by the Jehovah's Witnesses' leadership to this day.

It is true that Russell never claimed to be the faithful and wise servant. He never assumed any special authority to tell anyone what they should believe about this, but he did say:

Some of the dear brethren seem to find as much about Brother Russell in the Bible as they find about the Lord Jesus, and I think that is a great mistake. I do not find it there. Some of them say that I am blinded on that subject, that they all can see better than I can. Perhaps they can, I do not know, but I think, dear friends, that there is a danger in that direction, and I would like to put you all on guard. I think it is the Lord's will that we should recognize every agency God uses, but we are not to recognize any agency of God as being in any competition whatever with the Lord or with his divine arrangement. He is the fountain of blessing, he only is most to be praised. -- -1910; ("Convention Report Sermons", pg. 125)

The six volumes of SCRIPTURE STUDIES are not intended to supplant the Bible.... It is for each one to think for himself, however, and to guide his conduct in every way accordingly.... We should say, "I will not take it because these studies say so; I wish to see what the Bible says." And so we would study the Scriptures in the light of these SCRIPTURE STUDIES; we would prove every point, or disprove it, as the case might be. We would be satisfied with nothing less than a thorough investigation of the Bible from this standpoint... because the Scriptures are the standard.... "SCRIPTURE STUDIES" NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR THE BIBLE. -- Watch Tower, September 15, 1910, page 298.

The Bible is God's Word to us. And while prompt to acknowledge the channels and agencies honored by the Lord in bringing to our attention the things of his Word new and old, let us never forget that the Word itself is the final arbiter, and that if any teaching fails to harmonize with that Word it is because there is no light in it. (Isa. 8:20) -- "The Child Samuel", Watch Tower, October 15, 1895.

What Christendom needs today is a return to the Bible, an investigation of its teachings and, correspondingly, a rejection of all human creeds, which are admittedly more or less defective. Let us "stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free." Let us accept the Bible as the only standard. Let us study it and understand it to the extent of our ability. Let us rejoice in every degree of harmony we all attain in the correct understanding of it. Let us fellowship as Christians all who acknowledge its Divine authenticity and who, in harmony with its presentation, are trusting in Jesus as their redeemer; and who, in acceptance of His invitation, have forsaken all to be His footstep followers.
These are the real Christians, with whatever sect or party they may have become identified, through the supposition that they were doing the will of God. These alone are the saints; these alone are running in the race course; these alone have the opportunity of making their "calling and election sure." -- DIVINE OMNISCIENCE AND ALMIGHTY POWER, St. Paul Enterprise, December 11, 1917, as reprinted in Harvest Gleanings, Volume 3 (begins on page 140).

We preach not ourself but Christ. We substantiate nothing except by his Word. We make no laws, formulate no creed, deprive no sheep of his full liberty in Christ; but merely on every question quote the Word of the Lord, through the apostles and prophets. We boast nothing, claim nothing of ourself. We are content to serve the Lord and his flock to the best of our ability--exacting no tithes, no "honor of men," no confession of authority, no compensation; hoping merely for the love of the Lord and of those who are his children and have his Spirit. -- Watch Tower, January 15, 1906, page 20.

We have urged and still urge that the dear children of God read studiously what we have presented; – the Scriptures, the applications and interpretations – and then form their own judgments. We neither urge nor insist upon our views as infallible, nor do we smite or abuse those who disagree; but regard as 'Brethren' all sanctified believers in the precious blood. — Watch Tower, October 1, 1907, page 294.

I disclaim any special inspiration. In some particulars my views agree with those of other Bible students, and in other respects they disagree. Each hearer must use his own judgment, do his own Bible study, and reach his own conclusions. — St. Paul Enterprise, November 21, 1916.

OneJ:


That's a famous fake ,falsified insertion added into the holy scriptures by Trinitarians to promote their falsehood.( Pls research).

"He who was manifest " is the authentic rendition of 1 tim 3:16.
U have claimed that Trinity dogma is falsehood. How come U are speaking with both sides of your mouth?

It doesn't make to say


And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: He who was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

This is rather talking about the God coming from heaven to become a a human and go back to heaven. One person and not three.

2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


Trinitarian talks of two or three persons.

OneJ:


Gruni1234 is not being honest.
Many scholars agree that in John 1:1 "the word is a god" is accurate because it is the same Greek grammatical construct with Acts 28:6, 12:22,. Other scholars hold a different opinion. That's actually what "John 1:1 Wikipedia" said , but U came to NL to twist the facts.
Intellectual dishonesty.

Let's see if the evidence supported your claims.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/ english/divine

Divine, definition
1. "Connected with a god, or like a god".

https://biblehub.com/greek/2304.htm

theios - divine
divinity, deity
( Latinnumendivinum)
not only used by the Greeks to denote the divine nature, power, providence, in the general, with out reference to any individual deity"

In other words that verse actually means that Jesus Christ has godlike qualities, attributes of a god.
John 1:1, " the word is a god, (NWT) is accurate.

Mr Gruni is a biased observer. A Trinity dogma believer.
The Sources from Biblehub.com & the scholarly dictionary.cambridge.org
confirmed the validity of the NWT rendition of John 1:1 " the Word is a god".
Mr Gruni, NWT is very accurate.
It is the gospel truth.
I will not force U to accept it.
Shalom

I'm not keen on arguments with anybody but standing with the truth is my priority.

These sources are not JWs but they confirm the gospel truth that Trinity falsehood peddling crew hate to see & hear.
Shalom

brodalokie:


It doesn't make to say


And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: He who was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

This is rather talking about the God coming from heaven to become a a human and go back to heaven. One person and not three.

2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


Trinitarian talks of two or three persons.

My Bro, the truth does not hide . But it is very bitter to swallow it jejely.
Pls go and see the Greek manuscript texts of 1 tim3:16, read it to the end.
https://biblehub.com/1_Timothy/3-16
KJV,Jubilee Bibles stuck with the lie.
The truth ALWAYS STAND OUT .

brocab:
Don't we just love the net, when it can give us so much information about anybody these day-Charles Taze Russell was surely one of Jehovah's Witnesses who was the founder!

Much of the information obtained through the internet, especially related to Charles Taze Russell, is often somebody's distortions, misrepresentations, and outright falsehoods about Russell.

Charles Taze Russell was definitely never a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses. He preached against such an "organization," and he preached against the kind of message being presented by that organization. He was definitely not the founder of that in which he did not believe, and which he preached against.
For links to some of my documented research related to Russell and the later "Jehovah's Witnesses.
http://rlctr..com/2016/12/jws.html

brocab:
Charles Russell was also a 33 rd degree Mason,

This is definitely false. Russell was never a member of any of man's secret societies, and the message he devoted his life to preaching demonstrates this. While we have tens of thousands of pages of Russell's works that overwhelmingly testify that he was not a member of the Freemasons, the only evidence anyone ever presents to claim that he was a Freemason is related to certain Biblical symbolism he used and/or to various statements he made taken out of context.
For links to some my documented refutation of accusations that Russell was a Freemason:
http://rlctr..com/2016/12/freemasons.html

brocab:
he was formally a Seven day Adventist

Russell was never a member of the 7th Day Adventists. He had some association with some of the Second Adventists, but there is no historicial record that he ever even attended one meeting held by the 7th Day Adventists.

brocab:
-also Joseph Smith the founder of the Mormons was a 33 rd Mason both were Seven day Adventist.

While I have no interest in defending Joseph Smith, as I believe that he was misled by spirits appearing to him, one should not just accept things as being fact. I know many people can present historical falsehoods in such a way that they do appear to be fact, but one should dig deeper to verify or disprove what is being presented. Joseph Smith died in 1844; it was in this same year that some of the Second Adventists began to promote the idea Saturday sabbath observance. The Seventh-Day Adventist Church was formed later in the year 1863. Most of the Second Adventists, however, rejected this idea. At any rate, historically, Joseph Smith could not have formerly been a member of a group that did not exist in his day.

ResLight:


I am not with the Jehovah's Witnesses, but just recently came across this while doing searches. I am particularly interested in what is being said about Charles Taze Russell. Contrary to the way it is often made to appear there was no "organization" such as the Jehovah's Witnesses associated with the Watch Tower in the days of Russell. Russell would not allow the Watch Tower of his day to be used for such sectarian authoritarianism. Evidently, however, there were those who were advocating a kind of sectarian authoritarianism even while Russell was alive, but it was held in restraint until after Russell died. Russell, however, was never a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses, and Rutherford created the 'Jehovah's Witnesses' organization by rejecting the core Biblical teachings of Russell, and replacing them with teachings that, as far as I am able to ascertain, are basically still held to by the Jehovah's Witnesses' leadership to this day.

It is true that Russell never claimed to be the faithful and wise servant. He never assumed any special authority to tell anyone what they should believe about this, but he did say:

okay, i haven't researched him myself

OneJ:


My Bro, the truth does not hide . But it is very bitter to swallow it jejely.
Pls go and see the Greek manuscript texts of 1 tim3:16, read it to the end.
https://biblehub.com/1_Timothy/3-16
KJV,Jubilee Bibles stuck with the lie.
The truth ALWAYS STAND OUT .

Bro I am actually using my last strength to get the message to you. It is not like I am going to make a living of it. I am just happy to tell you what I have learned and learn what I don't know in return.
King James version is accurate. He was the first to translate in English from Latin after breaking out of Roman Catholic Church.
Jesus always emphasized that he and the father is one. The reason people are not teaching that Jesus is God is because people think they have other people who were or are knowledgeable enough to be equal with him.
Do you not know that the gospel of the kingdom is not milk and bread? Even Jesus himself died by the hands of the federal government of his time because they taught he was winning people to the father of creation, and they needed the praise and worship of those people.
Till date the state keep fighting against the fact that Jesus is God by printing new editions. Before the protestant church broke out of catholic in Germany headed by Martin Luther, the hierarchy forbade Christians to own the scripture. They only read it to them. Popes were seen as God incarnate in the place of Jesus. It was a pagan state practice in the church. Emperor is now a Papal

How can there be many Gods in various places when the Bible teaches that God is but one?

Hairyrapunzel:



Buhaha. Now she in Hebrew language doesn't equate woman /girl? Let me help you
No she is only used for man. Intact anywhere you see she in the Bible just know the person is a man/boy. Are you satisfied now?


It doesn't change the fact that wisdom is a girl who cries at the city gate and jehovah didn't have wisdom until he created wisdom. You want to change bible by all means.

Hairyrapunzel:


I actually give you a hard time because I don't fall for your gibberish. She is not woman/girl in Hebrew scriptures. Rotflol. Your are frustrated already lol.

www.colorq.org/bible/?d=Historical_Background&x=gender

"IS GOD REALLY MALE?
"....God might be a "He" in the Bible, but non Hebrew literate individuals do not always know that in Hebrew language, grammatical gender is NOT an indicator of actual gender. Hebrew nouns have grammatical gender. Each object is masculine or feminine.
There are no gender neutral pronouns in Hebrew, that is, there is no equivalent of the English "it".
Everything is a "he" or a. "she"
The Facts are obvious.
Wisdom is an abstract quality, "it " is the appropriate description in English but in the original. Hebrew Bible Proverbs ( chapters 1,3,4,7 etc ,) Wisdom is a "she",personified as a woman.
However in Prov 8:22-30, "wisdom" is revealed to be a created being..
In 31:10-31, the context speaks for itself.

CORRECT WAYO MAN.

OneJ:


www.colorq.org/bible/?d=Historical_Background&x=gender

"IS GOD REALLY MALE?
"....God might be a "He" in the Bible, but non Hebrew literate individuals do not always know that in Hebrew language, grammatical gender is NOT an indicator of actual gender. Hebrew nouns have grammatical gender. Each object is masculine or feminine.
There are no gender neutral pronouns in Hebrew, that is, there is no equivalent of the English "it".
Everything is a "he" or a. "she"
The Facts are obvious.
Wisdom is an abstract quality, "it " is the appropriate description in English but in the original. Hebrew Bible Proverbs ( chapters 1,3,4,7 etc ,) Wisdom is a "she",personified as a woman.
However in Prov 8:22-30, "wisdom" is revealed to be a created being..
In 31:10-31, the context speaks for itself.

CORRECT WAYO MAN.

I know that you are having a good time but I want you to quickly correct the impression that God may be a female. First of all Apostle Paul who banned female preachers or female breadwinner is a Jew born on a Hebrew community in Greece. The scripture also teaches that Adam is made to be the image of God and Adam is a male so God has to be male when he takes a physical form. Remember, eve was removed from the man but that didn't mean he was an hermaphrodite. Hermes plus Aphrodite in one.
Some times practising raw Christianity cause great pains because using words can give different meanings.
God is an object of worship which means He has a form like a human being and He is a male like Adam was. When He was born of a woman to carry our cross He was still a man.
I will have to worship that man that died for my sins. Nobody, king, governor, president, doctor, lawyer or even preacher will do that for you.

That wisdom is a woman is pagan induced. They are referring to Adam as God and Eve as Wisdom who is said to be the mother of all living things.
Eve was taken out of the bossom of Adam.
Jesus said no one has ever seen God but the only begotten son who is from the bosom of the father has declared him.

Jesus is the wisdom of God.

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 
Joh 1:3  All things were made by him;(the Word) and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 10:30  I and my Father are one.
 Joh 10:31  Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 
Joh 10:32  Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 
Joh 10:33  The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.  

Joh 20:28  And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
 
Mat 1:23  Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 
Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 
Heb 1:10  And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

You may claim you are not a JW but you are-surely trying to make your point becoming one, I think if we were to look a little deeper we would find other resources around the net about whom Charles Russell really is. You need to allow your fingers to do the walking, and open up new sites, just one site doesn't prove they are right-you need to open up your heart a little bit more, and question why there are so many sites that make these claims about the Jehovah witnesses, if none of them were true?

ResLight:
Much of the information obtained through the internet, especially related to Charles Taze Russell, is often somebody's distortions, misrepresentations, and outright falsehoods about Russell.

Freemason influences : http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Jehovah%20Witnesses/jw.htm
Allow the public to decide about Charles Russell, there is so much history to find about almost anybody on the net, trying to justify your JW beliefs doesn't prove you are right, and if we were to allow ourselves to find the missing links, then we don't need to hear it straight out from the horses mouths 'like yours, just trying to justify yourself trying to find new ways to cover it up! Looking into one site doesn't prove they are right!

ResLight:

Russell was never a member of the 7th Day Adventists. He had some association with some of the Second Adventists, but there is no historicial record that he ever even attended one meeting held by the 7th Day Adventists.

And then you write this below: so what is he, an Adventist or not an Adventist? The Seventh-Day Adventist Church was formed later in the year 1863. before, it was the Second Adventists, Miller an Adventist preacher who studied together with Russell-and both preached false literature of the coming of Christ..

ResLight:
While I have no interest in defending Joseph Smith, as I believe that he was misled by spirits appearing to him, one should not just accept things as being fact. I know many people can present historical falsehoods in such a way that they do appear to be fact, but one should dig deeper to verify or disprove what is being presented. Joseph Smith died in 1844; it was in this same year that some of the Second Adventists began to promote the idea Saturday sabbath observance. The Seventh-Day Adventist Church was formed later in the year 1863. Most of the Second Adventists, however, rejected this idea. At any rate, historically, Joseph Smith could not have formerly been a member of a group that did not exist in his day.

So the {Second Adventist} became the 7th day Adventist around 1883-so either way Russell was involved with the Adventist, Miller was a Adventist and a Mason at the same time, of course Russell was involved, Russell's family line 'were all Masons, the founder of Ellen White was a Mason connecting with each other, Joseph Smith was a Mason-all connected to the same blood line "all these false religions predicted false literature about the coming of Christ..
Jehovah's Witnesses trace their origins to the nineteenth century Adventist movement in America. That movement began with William Miller, a Baptist lay preacher who, in the year 1816, began proclaiming that Christ would return in 1843. His predictions of the Second Coming or Second Advent captured the imagination of thousands in Baptist and other mainline churches.
Perhaps as many as 50,000 followers put their trust in Miller's chronological calculations and prepared to welcome the Lord, while, as the appointed time approached, others watched nervously from a distance.
Recalculations moved the promised {second Adventist} from March, 1843 to March, 1844, and then to October of that year. Alas, that date too passed uneventfully. So Adventist of any sort are now 7 day Adventist.Jehovah's Witnesses, likewise, trace their roots back to the Adventists, anybody who uses Masonic symbols involving their organisations-is producing darkness in cultism:::
After the "Disappointment of 1844" Miller's following fell apart, with most of those who had looked to him returning to their respective churches before his death in 1849. But other disappointed followers kept the movement alive, although in fragmented form. Their activities eventually led to the formation of several sects under the broad heading of "Adventism" including the Advent Christian Church, the Life and Advent Union, the Seventh-Day Adventists, and various Second Adventist groups.
Russell and Miller were partners-William Miller was an active Freemason until 1831.
Miller resigned his Masonic membership in 1831, stating that he did so to "avoid fellowship with any practice that may be incompatible with the word of God among masons". By 1833 he wrote in a letter to his friends to treat Freemasonry "as they would any other evil".

ResLight:


Much of the information obtained through the internet, especially related to Charles Taze Russell, is often somebody's distortions, misrepresentations, and outright falsehoods about Russell.

Charles Taze Russell was definitely never a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses. He preached against such an "organization," and he preached against the kind of message being presented by that organization. He was definitely not the founder of that in which he did not believe, and which he preached against.
For links to some of my documented research related to Russell and the later "Jehovah's Witnesses.
http://rlctr..com/2016/12/jws.html



This is definitely false. Russell was never a member of any of man's secret societies, and the message he devoted his life to preaching demonstrates this. While we have tens of thousands of pages of Russell's works that overwhelmingly testify that he was not a member of the Freemasons, the only evidence anyone ever presents to claim that he was a Freemason is related to certain Biblical symbolism he used and/or to various statements he made taken out of context.
For links to some my documented refutation of accusations that Russell was a Freemason:
http://rlctr..com/2016/12/freemasons.html



Russell was never a member of the 7th Day Adventists. He had some association with some of the Second Adventists, but there is no historicial record that he ever even attended one meeting held by the 7th Day Adventists.



While I have no interest in defending Joseph Smith, as I believe that he was misled by spirits appearing to him, one should not just accept things as being fact. I know many people can present historical falsehoods in such a way that they do appear to be fact, but one should dig deeper to verify or disprove what is being presented. Joseph Smith died in 1844; it was in this same year that some of the Second Adventists began to promote the idea Saturday sabbath observance. The Seventh-Day Adventist Church was formed later in the year 1863. Most of the Second Adventists, however, rejected this idea. At any rate, historically, Joseph Smith could not have formerly been a member of a group that did not exist in his day.

OneJ:


www.colorq.org/bible/?d=Historical_Background&x=gender

"IS GOD REALLY MALE?
"....God might be a "He" in the Bible, but non Hebrew literate individuals do not always know that in Hebrew language, grammatical gender is NOT an indicator of actual gender. Hebrew nouns have grammatical gender. Each object is masculine or feminine.
There are no gender neutral pronouns in Hebrew, that is, there is no equivalent of the English "it".
Everything is a "he" or a. "she"
The Facts are obvious.
Wisdom is an abstract quality, "it " is the appropriate description in English but in the original. Hebrew Bible Proverbs ( chapters 1,3,4,7 etc ,) Wisdom is a "she",personified as a woman.
However in Prov 8:22-30, "wisdom" is revealed to be a created being..
In 31:10-31, the context speaks for itself.

CORRECT WAYO MAN.

Lol. Wisdom is a woman/girl who cries at the city gate. Cone and beat us. You want to change narrative. Where they used he you will say it's a man now where they used she you say no be woman

Your jehovah didn't have wisdom until he created wisdom.
Wisdom is a created being according to your religion. It has personality whereas holy spirit that is personified is a force. I no fit laff.

You now want to shout context. Whereas you never use context. We no be mumu or Dundee.

You assume wisdom is an abstract quality and a created being at the same time. Lol. Which one shoulders will believe?

Wisdom na human being and wisdom is also a created being. You need to hide your head in shame.

If wisdom is an abstract quality it can't be Jesus Christ.
If wisdom is a created being it must be a woman or a girl. You think people can't use their brains to thinks abi?

For your information we didn't give our brains to 8 old imperfect, uninspired and fallible men who reside in new York to think for us.

OneJ:


That's a famous fake ,falsified insertion added into the holy scriptures by Trinitarians to promote their falsehood.( Pls research).

"He who was manifest " is the authentic rendition of 1 tim 3:16.
U have claimed that Trinity dogma is falsehood. How come U are speaking with both sides of your mouth?

You people that added jehovah in new testament Nko?
You people assumed that the bible was wrong so you people helped jehovah to put his name in the place where it is never seen.

It's like you guys know what is in Jehovah's mind well all na assumption. So tay because you want to justify that wisdom isn't a woman you said God isn't male.
Yet you call God a he. Lol

Hairyrapunzel:


Lol. Wisdom is a woman/girl who cries at the city gate. Cone and beat us. You want to change narrative. Where they used he you will say it's a man now where they used she you say no be woman

Your jehovah didn't have wisdom until he created wisdom.
Wisdom is a created being according to your religion. It has personality whereas holy spirit that is personified is a force. I no fit laff.

You now want to shout context. Whereas you never use context. We no be mumu or Dundee.

You assume wisdom is an abstract quality and a created being at the same time. Lol. Which one shoulders will believe?

Wisdom na human being and wisdom is also a created being. You need to hide your head in shame.

If wisdom is an abstract quality it can't be Jesus Christ.
If wisdom is a created being it must be a woman or a girl. You think people can't use their brains to thinks abi?

Mumu post.

IBERIBEISM on 'PLAY' mode.

Anti JW viral syndrome is real.

Your LIES & MUMU are legendary.

Barristter07:

Sovereign Lord is over ALL.

Jesus is not the one addressed as sovereign Lord. That renders your postulation weak and useless

Don't forget someone made him Lord , But no one made the Father God.

So it's basically senseless comparing the two

If Sovereign Lord is Overall why is He not the One Lord My friend?.. ...gruni1234 got enough intelligence for this demons to deceive.... ...liar...

Barristter07:


The Father is the One God.

You ask if he cease to be Lord ? His rank as our God , made him our Lord as well as the bible testify . even Christ belongs to him ( Rev 11:15 Father is called OUR LORD , )

But Jesus rank is " one Lord " NOT God. ( Someone approved him to be Lord over others NOT Father himself who owns him)

But no one approved the Father as the one God. Truth 101.

Father = One God ( Father of all , Sovereign Lord)

Jesus = One Lord ( over others excluding his Father - 1 Cor 15:27)





Truth @bold. Not three persons in one God



Now you are funny, Do u mean Jesus is the literal spoken word that comes out from the Father mouth ? U need to be seriously pitied. Those words spoken during Jesus baptism must be Jesus .


Mr , The Source is the Father - From whom all things are. Clear!!!

That means Jesus is beginning NOT source.

Fight the bible.

......simple question see how you dey jumb from pillar to post.. ... if He is God and Lord then He should be One God and One Lord..period....why is Jesus the One Lord? ...




Okay so why is Jesus the Word of God then? ... only John described Jesus as the Word of God, why is that so? If it is not literal then kindly tell us what the Word means? .... waiting for this answer

OneJ:

Mumu post.

IBERIBEISM on 'PLAY' mode.

Anti JW viral syndrome is real.

Your LIES & MUMU are legendary.

See someone calling another person a liar. You said based on your assumption wisdom is both an abstract quality and a created being. Lol

What I know is Bible referred to wisdom as a she that is a woman/girl who cries at the city gates.

You now went ahead to say your jehovah created wisdom before wisdom created other things.
Me I said your jehovah didn't have wisdom before he created wisdom based on your own explanation.

Your jehovah has finally revealed to you the words that you will take figuratively and the words you take literally and the ones you should discard and turn a blind eye to in one verse.

Your jehovah loves cherry picking wella.


When you see your fallacies you start shouting. You just think you alone have the right to assume because jehovah made you people his assumers.

Barristter07:


Alot of people are called God in the.bible.. That's not the point.

We want to know the one God of Christians... And that's revealed as The Father. - johnw74 , u cannot fight the truth.

Alot of people are called sinners in the bible, many idols were mentioned, Satan himself was mentioned..that is not the point, the point is how many Gods do we have in Christianity, in the Christian Faith? One. But you said there are two gods in Christianity, one Almighty and another Mighty.. ... stupid pagan..