CAPSLOCKED:


OKAY CATHOLIC IS THE TRUTH AND THE ONLY TRUE SECT OF CHRISTIANITY, THE OTHER CHURCHES ARE FAKES AND MAY END UP IN HELL LIKE OTHER RELIGIONS FOR NOT BELIEVING IN THE CATHOLIC VERSION OF GOD AND JESUS CHRIST. YOU WIN.

LordReed:


I listened to her story the only people offering up anything she cared for were Catholics. Are you of the opinion no other set of religious people had good arguments too? Well that would be all well and good cos it would show indeed arguments for religion are generally poor then.

TATIME:
Well if you're not just an atheist as in those who feels like expressing their viewpoints, expect others to listen or read with meditations but aren't patient enough to read, listen or meditate on what others say. Then i'll implore you to take your time, consider which of these questions interests you most and let me know because this is not the proper medium for this. I'll answer just one but you'll need to be patient, humble and think deeply about RIGHTEOUSNESS. This will help you as you'll need to welcome a free home Bible study to know more about Jehovah's Witnesses (the only true Christians)!

pressplay411:


You are a victim of lust.
You lusted after the worst lust.
The same lust that destroyed Adam and Eve.
Lust for Knowledge.
You ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
And you certainly manifest its fruit.
Pride, Self Awareness and Self Centeredness, a Puffed up knowledge and Thinking as Eve also thought, that you are now like God.
And for this, you have suffered the same consequences of Adam and Eve.
You have been rejected from God's Presence.
No matter how hard you try, you can't see God's face again, why? Because a Veil has been placed over your eyes. Cherubs have been placed between you and God's Presence.

I hope you will repent soon enough because you are very aware of the consequence of not being in God's Presence. I'm sure you're well read in the story of King Saul. This is what happens when God withdraws His Spirit from man.

I can't delve deeper.

joseph1013:


I don't think I am interested in a god that has filled you with so much hatred.

joseph1013:


I am an atheist by choice. I look forward to being convinced if the arguments are watertight.

joseph1013:
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9inches:
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joseph1013:
THE NECESSARY BEING

I had a discussion with a random person offline who preached to me about my soul and the need for it to be reborn.

The discussion went something like this (paraphrased):

T: God exists
A: Define what you mean by God.

T: Humans cannot define God. You seek the impossible!
A: Then what is it that exists?

T: The Alpha and Omega. The supreme being.
A: So an undefined supreme being exists. How do you know?

T: Yes a supreme being. I know because we exist. God is the necessary being and everything else is contingent.
A: What is a necessary being?

T: The being without which nothing else could exist.
A: I see. But why is the necessary thing a being and not something else? For example, why isn't it something simple like a field or a force or a form of energy or a quantum process?

T: Because there had to be a decision to create something and only an intelligent being can make a decision.
A: So do you think an intelligent being makes the decision to create every drop of rainfall?

T: No, not a drop of rainfall, that's just physics--no decision is required.
A: So, if the necessary thing was a field or a force or a form of energy or a quantum process then the creation of everything would just be physics. And no decision would be required.

T: You think you're smart but you won't be laughing in hell.
A: Okay.

Too often, I find that asking questions rather than trying to pointblank refute theists' assertions is the way to avoid headaches.

joseph1013:


I don't think I am interested in a god that has filled you with so much hatred.

budaatum:
My favorite thread I come back to when there's nothing worthwhile on Nairaland.

Merry Christmas Joseph.

budaatum:
My favorite thread I come back to when there's nothing worthwhile on Nairaland.

Merry Christmas Joseph.

vaxx:
vaxx wishing budaatum a merry Christmas. where is my Champaign and turkey roasted laps

9inches:

I think this is the argument the person was trying to make. Skip to 5:49 mins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zMf_8hkCdc?t=349
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_4PSgFjtvI

TATIME:

"The ends certainly JUSTIFIES the means"
I wonder why atheists profusely argue against the churches when they wholeheartedly welcomes the aftermath of their supposed stupidity!
Well to all the ATHEISTS on NL, Merry Merry CHRIST~MAS

LordReed:


Because any reason for a party is a good one. Who cares if it was a pagan festival press-ganged into service for the Roman state religion, I'll party like its 1999.

vaxx:
vaxx wishing budaatum a merry Christmas. where is my Champaign and turkey roasted laps

TATIME:
That's the difference between ATHEISTS and CHRISTIANS.
We care!
Lots and lots of calamitous events in December, robberies increases,food price increases,transport fairs increases,clothes price increases,sexual promiscuity abounds,more youths are initiated into stealing, lying, casual sex,juvenile deliquesces and so on just as all these accompanies SATURNALIA back then in Rome!
So my friend,True CHRISTIANS cares!

TATIME:
budaatum!
I told you "ATHEISM is a form of worship for those WHO LIKES CHOOSING THEIR OWN GODS whether personal or collective"
They may say "i believe God exists" or "i DON'T believe God exist". One thing that is significant about them is how their interested drives all their response towards every presentation whether worship or hobby!
For instance, you aren't gonna welcome the idea of those claiming worshippers of Jesus but you're INTERESTED in their festivals!
You may refute my definition of ATHEISM but every step,thoughts,words,action or reaction of yours is saying YES to that definition!

budaatum:


You are free to believe what you want Tatime.

Out of interest, how old is the earth?

joseph1013:
MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Every Christmas, I repeat this post for the sake of the new readers. Long, but insightful.



Whenever you say Jesus is the reason for the season, you need to be reminded of some historical facts. The history of Christmas is very long & tortuous but I'll try & present an abridged version here. Of course, I expect everybody to know that the origin of Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus or Christianity but in case you didn't know, your ignorance should be cleared by the time you finish reading this. What you're about to read may be something you've never heard before.

To start with, why December 25? The day Jesus was born (if he ever was born) is not known. That's strange! Almost all persons who have a wide impact on the world have known birthdays. The census reported in Luke (the one requiring Joseph & Mary to travel to Bethlehem) actually never took place and the story of an astronomical event ('Star in the East') reported in Matthew as to have happened around then is yet to be verified by scientists. There was a Roman pagan celebration of the birthday of Mythra, the Sun God.

This celebration took place on December 25. When the Roman Emperors forced the whole world to become Christians ('Catholicism'), they needed to accommodate everybody into the church. One way of doing that was to inculcate some of their customs into the church. Since the Christians at that time associated Jesus with the 'Sun of Righteousness' mentioned in Malachi 4:2, Emperor Constantine drew a parallel between the two 'Suns' (Mythra, the pagan Sun & Jesus, the Christian Sun) and decreed that December 25 should be used to celebrate the birthday of Jesus.

As an aside, every time you go to church on Sun-day morning, you're testifying to Mythra, the pagan Sun god. Before then, Jehovah was worshipped on Saturday while the Sun God was worshipped on Sun-day.

Because of the implications on the religion, some early Christians didn't like the idea that Christmas was a pagan invention. So they invented an alternative theory. 1st century anonymous work said the world was created on March 28. Iraenus (a 1st century historian) plagiarized that & said Jesus must have been crucified on March 25 & if so, he equated the equinox (March 25) with the conception of Jesus. This made so many early Christians BELIEVE (what can't belief achieve?) that Mary must have been impregnated by the Holy Ghost on March 25. And if someone got pregnant on March 25, then she must have given birth on December 25, i.e., 9 months after.

But this attempt is funny. How can you just base your belief on someone else's conjecture? And if the Son of God wasn't conceived through natural means, how are you sure that the pregnancy went the natural way of 9 months? Jesus could've spent 15 months or 3 months in her mother's womb: you can never know.

The caroling was a Christian conversion of the pagan Koliada. The gift-giving spree is reminiscent of an earlier Roman pagan celebration of Saturnalia. The Yule (or Yuletide) is the name of an indigenous midwinter festival celebrated by ancient Germanic peoples. The Christmas tree is a direct importation of the pagan tree worship which was tied to the Thor god. Father Christmas & Santa Claus are fictional figures but even though the idea of the former predated the latter, they later became unified into a single personality.

Santa Claus is the anglicized form of 'Sinterklass' which simply meant Saint Nicholas in Dutch. St. Nicholas was a Greek bishop who was noted for taking care of children and rewarding the well-behaved ones with gifts. Even though the St. Nicholas Day (a feast of giving in its own right) is still celebrated on December 6, the St. Nicholas concept (called 'Santa Claus') was superimposed on the preexisting Father Christmas as a means of further Christianizing a pagan celebration of December 25.

All these pagan origins made a section of the 17th century church to frown on Christmas. In addition, they discovered that no saint celebrated their birthday in the Bible (in fact, Job & Jeremiah cursed their birthdays) and every birthday celebrated in the Bible (Pharaoh's in Genesis 40 & Herod's in Mark 6) was marred by an evil consequence. Called the 'Puritans' (an essentially reformationist Protestant movement), they campaigned against the pagan & unbiblical celebration called Christmas. In fact, they were the ones ruling the English Parliament & they outlawed Christmas for these reasons. As they were the colonial masters of America ('New England'), Christmas was similarly outlawed over there.

Even though, political dynamics restored Christmas to Christianity later (18th century onwards), such puritan sects still exist today. Examples are the Jehovah Witnesses & the Deeper Life Bible Church who don't celebrate Christmas for the same reasons. But some of those Christian sects go to church on Sunday. As I said earlier, worshipping Jehovah on Sunday has exactly the same origin as celebrating Jesus' birth at Christmas: so why they have problems with Christmas & not Sunday services is still a mystery.

Anyway, Christmas is now approaching the status it started from — a non-Christian significance. The progressive secularization of the festival is obvious in the songs: some are outright religious songs (e.g., 'Silent Night', 'Hark! The Herald Angel Sing') while others are purely secular (e.g., 'Jingle Bells', 'Days of Christmas'). There have been campaigns in the US to convert the greeting, 'Merry Xmas', to 'Happy Holidays'. The Philadelphia State outlawed Christmas carol in schools. Christmas is increasingly becoming more of a secular celebration than religious.

Nigeria is one of many countries where Christmas is a public holiday. How that happened is well-represented in the picture above. I'm sure seeing that picture will make you love Xmas as an African. Enough said!

And FYI, in case you think it's the whole world that's celebrating the 'born-in-a-manger' story, you need to read this. Christmas is NOT a public holiday in many countries like Afghanistan, Algeria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bhutan, Cambodia, China, Comoros, Iran, Israel, Japan, Kuwait, Laos, Libya, Maldives, Mauritania, Mongolia, Morocco, North Korea, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, Saudi Arabia, Tajikistan, Thailand, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vietnam, & Yemen. Countries like Somalia & Brunei have even banned Christmas celebrations with anybody doing something as simple as wearing a Santa Claus hat to spend 5 years in jail. Of course, that's how intolerant Muslim-dominated countries can be to foreign ideologies compared to Christian-dominated countries. Countries like Japan, where Christians are a tiny minority, widely celebrate Christmas purely for the exotic cultural & secular significance.

Thanks for your time

Merry Xmas (sorry, Happy Holidays) to you all!

TATIME:

let ATHEISTS remain silent because

budaatum:

Remember I said no one controls us?

Come put sellotape over our mouths if you want to try. But note. We've been through much more and are still here!

TATIME:
it's like ATHEISM gives you the impetus to do onto others what you WON'T accept, right?
Why not mind your business by allowing those who feels the need for control to be tamed by their captors?
If truthfully you don't want to be controlled, i think you have no business with those willingly subjecting themselves to control!
Gani Fawehinmi(SAN) lost a case because of not knowing what is true! He was agitating against voting so he never got registered,later those who registered went for the election and a winner emerged. Gani now went to court challenging the winner because that one presented fake certificates. In court a baby lawyer stood against Gani,asking him
Baby Lawyer ~Sir, did you register for this election?
Gani ~this is not relevant to what we're discussing
Judge {to Bb lawyer} ~is this relevant to this case?
Bb lawyer ~ very very relevant my lord
Judge {to Gani }~please answer to that
Gani {angrily} ~ I never registered!
Bb lawyer ~ definitely you never voted Sir?
Gani ~ yes of course!
Bb lawyer ~with all due respect Sir, all these people you're seeing in the courtroom (myself included) are voters who took our time,registered and voted for the man of our choice,so it's the case of voters and the elected, and since you never registered nor participated in the voting, i'll implore you to please leave this premises immediately Sir.
Judge ~ that's the TRUTH, please Gani excuse us in this courtroom!
And that was the end of the case!
So if you don't want anything like control, truthfully speaking Sir you have no business with those who are WILLING to live under control!

LordReed:


LoL! Another fable you heard from wherever. You people are so entranced with fables.

TATIME:
You can say that again and again my friend!
But that's the TRUTH on how Gani Fawehinmi was humiliated before the crowd in court during the case of Bola Tinubu about whether Bola has certificate or not!

LordReed:


Why do people like fables like this when this case is a matter of record? This is not some case from 2000yrs ago you can come and bamboozle us with fake stories OK. The case was thrown out because of a time limit but trust dumbasses like you to cook up dundi stories to show your lack of intelligence and peddle them as truth. Google is your friend since your fairytale god doesn't know how to preserve records properly.

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmm the CASE was thrown out because of time limit!
But Gani who never registered nor participated in the voting can continue to intervene in the case of both voters (those willing to be controlled) and elected (those controlling them),right?
I said it but you won't agree that ATHEISM is trying to ascertain facts but the TRUTH eludes your thoughts!

TATIME:
it's like ATHEISM gives you the impetus to do onto others what you WON'T accept, right?
Why not mind your business by allowing those who feels the need for control to be tamed by their captors?

LordReed:


Why do people like fables like this when this case is a matter of record? This is not some case from 2000yrs ago you can come and bamboozle us with fake stories OK. The case was thrown out because of a time limit but trust dumbasses like you to cook up dundi stories to show your lack of intelligence and peddle them as truth. Google is your friend since your fairytale god doesn't know how to preserve records properly.

budaatum:

I think its smokescreen to blind you to the substance of their argument. See how Tatime made you miss the demand that you stand aside and let him capture innocent people!