Bojack:
oga which church is that

Go to the book of Acts, for in the early chapters you'd find my church there.

payosehtor:
Abomination,abominable idol worship in the name of church, BROAD WAY CHURCH
,, ANYTHING GOES. ISH!

Truth

jesusjnr2:
I thought as much.

it's obvious that a pope really who walks in the truth and has godly motives cannot be comfortable there with such practices.

But rather than walking away silently in protest, i would have preferred that he voiced his concerns as a pope to the hearing of the world, at least before leaving, so that would sow a seed in the hearts of people that would eventually lead to drastic reforms in the church, and solve those issues once and for all.

Because imagine a pope who the world view as the world leader of the church endorsing such an abominable act, even though it so glaringly not right, truth be told unfortunate though that many would yet fall for it just because it came from his mouth.

No, in the catholic church, they have this this dogma/rule, DON'T SPEAK EVIL OF THE CLERGY/CHURCH. it's translate to mean "don't expose any thing done by the clergy. that's the reason why issues like immorality by their priest is never a big deal/heard of.

payosehtor:
No, in the catholic church, they have this this dogma/rule, DON'T SPEAK EVIL OF THE CLERGY/CHURCH. it's translate to mean "don't expose any thing done by the clergy. that's the reason why issues like immorality by their priest is never a big deal/heard of.

where did you learn this stupid dogma?


It certainly isn't from the Catholic church.


Speak only what you know, stop lying

jesusjnr2:
Go to the book of Acts, for in the early chapters you'd find my church there.

lol, so after the book of act, who were members of your church? Who were members in the 2nd, 3rd ND 4th century? Or did it just reappear in the 21th century?

PSTEMMA1960:
where is the word "pope" mentioned in the bible? Peter was an apostle not a pope........and as for the image do catholics not bow down b4 an image during station of the cross......why bow down in the first place when u don't want to worship it?......God strictly warn the Israelite not to make an image in the first place.....

do you even know the meaning of the word pope? Let's start from there.

Is every bow an act of worship? Isn't bowing also a sign of honor?

If God is totally against images why then did he put them in his temple?

payosehtor:
I hate remembering some of the deceptions we where entangle to simply because it was the first church that came to our communities, how I served as alter boys , how the rev Fada will claim to 've blessed the wine and bread but he will end up drinking the Hough wine alone but only serve the Eucharist . all dark yrs in that church never witness any member served the wine, in short lets leave the dark and

so during marriages and first holy communion no body was given the blood?

And in your flawed understanding that immediately translates to darkness?

payosehtor:
His first day in that office, journalist sought his opinion about gay in the church, he simply told them "Who am I to judge" that was when I know him to be a gay pope

this is what happens when you read only half news.


Some Weeks after he became pope he was asked if the rumours about gay lobby in the Vatican was true. Because people had concotted those stories to spread homophobia. He answered that he has never seen anyone with a gay I. D card, he went further that if a gay people has good will and seeks the Lord who am I to judge him.

That is classic Christian teaching and clear catholic theology, once a person turns to God he has now put on a new creature, no man in the church should sit in judgement over his past sins or sexual orientation.

payosehtor:
The reason I left that organisation as soon as I became matured enough to read between the church lines. spit on the broad way church

what reason is that? That you and the OP misrepresented a simple response and used it to launch condemnation against another Christian?

Ubenedictus:
lol, so after the book of act, who were members of your church? Who were members in the 2nd, 3rd ND 4th century? Or did it just reappear in the 21th century?

Yeah!

At least you know who the leaders of that church were, and they weren't going about teaching people anti-Christ doctrines in the name of God, and encouraging the worshipping of images as that of Mary, and endorsing gay sex, etc., but were preaching the gospel of the Kingdom of God as Christ had commanded them to do.

So of what use is a useless church if they if they were there in all of the centuries and yet represent demonic doctrines that emanated from the pit of hell!

Don't worry when the time is coming and now is when you would remember that I told you I belong to that true church, and not the one led by and anti-christ, gay sex endorser, which you obviously are really proud of, for this dead church full of imposters which were planted by the devil shall be overthrown by the real and true church.

My Master is Jesus just incase you don't know, who told the adulterous woman go and sin no more, and that's the same message I have for all the homosexuals in the world, and not that gay is an adjective as your master would say, and I suppose you too.

payosehtor:
that's the reason the other pope resignined

the other pope resigned due to old age and failing strength. He said it himself

jesusjnr2:
So what's the difference between my quote and your own quote?

in your post you said the Pope endorsed gay sex, in my post I showed the Pope didn't mention sex at all, talkless of gay sex

jesusjnr2:
Yeah!

At least you know who the leaders of that church were, and they weren't going about teaching people anti-Christ doctrines in the name of God, and encouraging the worshipping of images as that of Mary, and endorsing gay sex, etc., but were preaching the gospel of the Kingdom of God as Christ had commanded them to do.

So of what use is a useless church if they if they were there in all of the centuries and yet represent demonic doctrines that emanated from the pit of hell!

Don't worry when the time is coming and now is when you would remember that I told you I belong to that true church, and not the one led by and anti-christ, gay sex endorser, which you obviously are really proud of, for this dead church full of imposters which were planted by the devil shall be overthrown by the real and true church.

My Master is Jesus just incase you don't know, who told the adulterous woman go and sin no more, and that's the same message I have for all the homosexuals in the world, and not that gay is an adjective as your master would say, and I suppose you too.

actually the leaders you mentioned are the leaders of my church and I can point to their disciples in the 2nd, 3rd,4th till the 21th century, unlike you who imagine the church disappeared and reappeared with your 21th century pastors.


Interesting enough, the Catholic Church does not support the worship of images or endorse gay sex, that is the usual lie people like you who come out of a mushroom church tell.

jesusjnr2:
Don't condemn evil, for your Pope would find it hard to condemn the abominable sin unlike Jesus who did, but would rather comfortably denounce those that would tell them the truth as Jesus did.

Do you even listen to yourself at all?

The word "gay" itself just like murderer, adulterer, paedophile, a thief, rapist, ritualist, belongs to class of words where a sinful or abominable act is used to classify or identify someone who engages in it.

So to classify "gay" as a mere adjective is like classifying "ritualist" as a mere adjective, and hence endorsing the abomimable act of ritual killings in that respect.

For very soon we have murderers, adulterers, paedophiles, ritualists, etc., movements asking us to just take them just as they are.

For instance the ritualists would say that they was born that way, to behead and dismember people's bodies, that do not judge them etc., and be asking for ritualists rights!

And if your Pope meets them and call "ritualist" just an adjective, and thereby endorses ritual killings, when someone says that he'd hence endorsed ritual killings by what he said, you'd ignorantly say that it's not the truth, that nobody is perfect with all these gibberish nonsense flimsy excuses that you woefully failed to use to justify the huge blunder of his.

So you'd keep defending such blunderous acts of your Pope opening endorsing gay sex and not ask yourself why he would not condemn the act as Jesus did, and tell them that even though he does not condemn them, that the lifestyle they lead is an abominable one, and hence that they should go and sin no more.

gay simply means same sex attraction, it doesn't necessarily connote sin, so I. I'm surprised you think it is equal to murder etc. That is just sheer ignorance.


I still can't find anywhere the Pope endorsed gay sex unless of course in your imagination

Ubenedictus:
where did you learn this stupid dogma?


It certainly isn't from the Catholic church.


Speak only what you know, stop lying

By that your question, I can sport a product of "infant baptised " otherwise you should have recited these rules in your baptismal classes

payosehtor:
By that your question, I can sport a product of "infant baptised " otherwise you should have recited these rules in your baptismal classes

I was not infant baptised, and no such rule is taught in Catholicism, I have taught both children and adults classes.

Ubenedictus:
gay simply means same sex attraction, it doesn't necessarily connote sin, so I. I'm surprised you think it is equal to murder etc. That is just sheer ignorance.


I still can't find anywhere the Pope endorsed gay sex unless of course in your imagination

There's no point in this, because you are an advocate yourself of gay sex just like your mentor, so keep following in his footsteps, because if it's now normal to you for someone to be attracted to be sleeping with the same sex(gay), just like someone can be attracted to killing their neighbors(murderer), committing adultery(adulterer), defiling little and raping little children (paedophiles), raping fellow humans(rapists), etc. and you find nothing wrong with it, then there's no point for me to respond to you.

But so you know I would fight with every thing in my life any idea that it's now normal to be gay, and not a abomination as it is in the sight of God, for the Earth needs me to stand up to such perversion and destruction of the fundamentals of human existence, by satanic forces.

Ubenedictus:
do you even know the meaning of the word pope? Let's start from there.

Is every bow an act of worship? Isn't bowing also a sign of honor?

If God is totally against images why then did he put them in his temple?

so honor and worship are 2 different things? God specifically told Solomon how the temple should be built.....and if was the images of cherubims and seraphims that were in the temple....and no one was bowing down before them...

As for knowing the meaning of "pope" I do not know and I ha haven't seen it in the bible b4....so u can do me a favor by explaining to me what it is...

Ubenedictus:
so during marriages and first holy communion no body was given the blood?

And in your flawed understanding that immediately translates to darkness?

So Jesus instructed that the bread be served as often as possible while the blood/wine be served only on wedding day and the first day of communion wright?
lets not derail or digress from the issue at stake, I was prompted to mentioned these issue coz the catholic church is dastardized by the kind of leaders they have along side their ever docile brainwashed followers who take solace in big churches most popular oldest church stuff. dont forget, I was one of that them

Ubenedictus:
this is what happens when you read only half news.


Some Weeks after he became pope he was asked if the rumours about gay lobby in the Vatican was true. Because people had concotted those stories to spread homophobia. He answered that he has never seen anyone with a gay I. D card, he went further that if a gay people has good will and seeks the Lord who am I to judge him.

That is classic Christian teaching and clear catholic theology, once a person turns to God he has now put on a new creature, no man in the church should sit in judgement over his past sins or sexual orientation.

People with sound judgment stand a better chance to decide on what that pope stand for

payosehtor:
People with sound judgment stand a better chance to decide on what that pope stand for

and you and your likes are the people of sound judgement who claim the Pope endorsed gay sex even when there was no such issue in his statement?

Yeye dey smell

payosehtor:
So Jesus instructed that the bread be served as often as possible while the blood/wine be served only on wedding day and the first day of communion wright?
lets not derail or digress from the issue at stake, I was prompted to mentioned these issue coz the catholic church is dastardized by the kind of leaders they have along side their ever docile brainwashed followers who take solace in big churches most popular oldest church stuff. dont forget, I was one of that them

Biblically one may eat the bread AND drink the cup as several passages show, or one may decide to eat the bread OR drink the cup as 1 cor 11 shows.


1 Corinthians 11:27

New International Version
So then, whoever eats the bread OR drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.

PSTEMMA1960:
so honor and worship are 2 different things? God specifically told Solomon how the temple should be built.....and if was the images of cherubims and seraphims that were in the temple....and no one was bowing down before them...

As for knowing the meaning of "pope" I do not know and I ha haven't seen it in the bible b4....so u can do me a favor by explaining to me what it is...

so you thought honor and worship are the same? When you honor your parents do you also worship them?


Actually people were prostrating in front of the cherubs, since it was part of the holies of holies where the Israelites directed all there prayers, praises and worship .


Next time before you condemn something, know what you are condemning. Only silly people condemn what they are ignorant of.

Now you can go and do your homework before you continue your condemnation

jesusjnr2:
There's no point in this, because you are an advocate yourself of gay sex just like your mentor, so keep following in his footsteps, because if it's now normal to you for someone to be attracted to be sleeping with the same sex(gay), just like someone can be attracted to killing their neighbors(murderer), committing adultery(adulterer), defiling little and raping little children (paedophiles), raping fellow humans(rapists), etc. and you find nothing wrong with it, then there's no point for me to respond to you.

But so you know I would fight with every thing in my life any idea that it's now normal to be gay, and not a abomination as it is in the sight of God, for the Earth needs me to stand up to such perversion and destruction of the fundamentals of human existence, by satanic forces.

An attraction is an Attraction, so far you don't encourage it and you don't act on it, it is not a sin.



I am attracted to certain types of women, so far as I don't encourage such thoughts in my mind and I don't act on it, then I have not sinned, I am also attracted to the idea of considering myself first... And some other inordinate attraction... If I don't encourage it and I don't act on it, they are just attractions, they come and go.

Even if someone is attracted to killing his neighbor, if he doesn't encourage such thoughts nor act on it then he is OK, just another flawed human like the rest of us.


If you think people should be discarded because their attraction aren't wholesome, then you should look at yourself, you must have a problem.

Ubenedictus:
I was not infant baptised, and no such rule is taught in Catholicism, I have taught both children and adults classes.

for the benefit of the doubt I should direct you to the catechismal book/page but it's unfortunate I do not keep those kind of materials with me cuz, I 've grown passed the level of RECITALS (where in one is thought to recite prayers writen by someone else as if God is concerned with the charisma and not the heart intent)

PSTEMMA1960:
where is the word "pope" mentioned in the bible? Peter was an apostle not a pope........and as for the image do catholics not bow down b4 an image during station of the cross......why bow down in the first place when u don't want to worship it?......God strictly warn the Israelite not to make an image in the first place.....

that u bow to an image doesn't mean u worship it. There r pipo like Koreans Japan igbo that bow to their elders y greeting and yorubas that prostrate. Will u say now that they worship the person. And I know that u too do the same. If u wanna shake someone superior or an elite, u lower down ur heard slightly. Does that mean u worship the person?

vincentus16:
that u bow to an image doesn't mean u worship it. There r pipo like Koreans Japan igbo that bow to their elders y greeting and yorubas that prostrate. Will u say now that they worship the person. And I know that u too do the same. If u wanna shake someone superior or an elite, u lower down ur heard slightly. Does that mean u worship the person?

u are saying two different things sire, an image is not and can never be an elder.....

Bowing down to an elder is not a crime.....I was even recorded in the bible......

Prophet Nathan bowed b4 king David.....

But I want us to get something strait.....when moses was speaking to the children of Israel in the book of Deuteronomy about the encounter that they had in the book of exedous chapter 20.....

He said remember when God spoke to u people on mount Sinai he did not appear in any form (meaning no one saw him) He said that on no account should they make any image of any likeness of anything in heaven or on earth nor bow down to worship them...

Now why making them in the first place?

payosehtor:
His first day in that office, journalist sought his opinion about gay in the church, he simply told them "Who am I to judge" that was when I know him to be a gay pope

He has at least proven you right to the extent that he stands for gay sex.

payosehtor:
I hate remembering some of the deceptions we where entangle to simply because it was the first church that came to our communities, how I served as alter boys , how the rev Fada will claim to 've blessed the wine and bread but he will end up drinking the Hough wine alone but only serve the Eucharist . all dark yrs in that church never witness any member served the wine, in short lets leave the dark and

Hmmm.

I have often times preach and share the word of God, but when I meet these set of Christian it is as if they have been prepared previously for such moments of defence. I also specify it Nigerians because in this part of the word we are emotion driven and not on fact and the quest for the truth we seek. Catholic and jw have system in place to excommunicate, caricature and well as physical attack if necessary to those they see repenting to other Christian belief "these practice makes it a cult". Many are aware of this, many fear this so they just chose to remain, even if their read in the internet issues relating to "Pope god", heresies concerning Catholic worship, Mary god worship etc. Many JW I have spoken with, amaze me by their weird belief. Some say the bible was lost at a time and God raise a man to bring the JWB hence it is most correct and more I wouldn't keep to heart. The bottom line is that these foundation unproven by them, is now their blockage to knowledge when it presents itself.

Controversy on the right believe starting from the time of our Lord Jesus coming. Simply because his coming was not reveal to the Church but to those who kept their heart fixed on the Lord and on the prophesies of the prophets at that time. Like the wise three men, the parent of Jesus and some of his apostles. Know that before Jesus coming, Israel as a nation are God's people or those baptised from Moses. Jesus coming and departure also brought the operation of the Holy Spirit.

Hence much confusion as it is till this day arose between Moses let God's people and the Holy Spirit era. The Church persecuted and kill Jesus Christ, and the Apostles. This can give you a clue on two doctrine already springing up even at that time as a build up to the subject matters; Jesus Christ being God and a saviour spoken of by the prophets.

These are just clue to where I am heading.

Jesus manifested in the flesh as God and dwelt with us. Our Lord Jeaua Christ could not possibly have come to this earth and start speaking as God to man, behaving with pride and demonstrating Godhood to man? what he came to earth to show us was how we should relate, speak and believe in relation to God's plan of redemption.

Now to the main point of emphases. Those who go to school and study in a particular area or field of studies are build up from the foundation or founding principles of that area of study.

As Christian, we much embrace this as well. Much has happened before this time in the church; war, decision and confusion setting in. Be aware that the Devil is the god of this world and the only weapon the believers can has to defeat him is the right knowledge of the word of God.

Questions ~ will the devil just fold his hands and allow his fall with the right knowledge in the hands of believers

Is it possible that his has setup system to alter the bible subtly as in the garden of eden to catalyse the believers downfall.

These are what you should set your mind on.

I want you to go to YouTube and visit Amazing discovery for Prof Walter Veith on the Topic the battle of the bible and watch this as well as other series of interest to you. This might give you a guild or a permanent solution to the topic.

Or you can send me your email let me send these videos to you.

Note: do not be carried away by these new discovery but let it stir up a greater desire for the Lord and build humility in you with the view that it those that endure till the end are those that will get the price.

God bless you all.

Ubenedictus:
in your post you said the Pope endorsed gay sex, in my post I showed the Pope didn't mention sex at all, talkless of gay sex

That's exactly my point.

Your quote of your pope was exactly my quote of the pope, so I asked what's the point of quoting him again, if It wasn't to change any thing in my quote of your pope?

So whether he mentioned gay sex explicitly is besides the point here, because only the ignorant would not know that it was exactly what he did in the process.

jesusjnr2:
I have always been of the belief even while as a church goer that there was something fundamentally wrong with the catholic church, especially with respect to an idol they worship that has been fashioned in the guise and image of Mary the mother of Jesus, for it just didn't make common sense then how people could be so blind not to see the blatant error in that.

So of course that position strengthened when I repented and grew in the knowledge of the things of God, as I saw the catholic Pope that the world regard as the world leader of the church, as being an absolute appointment of men and none of God, for it was obvious no one would attain that position and yet condone such extent of idolatry in the catholic church among other things.

For despite that they claim Apostle Peter to be the first bishop of the Catholic church, from the available evidence of him provided in the Bible, it is obvious that the Peter we all know in the Bible who was himself a disciple of Jesus, that Mary the mother of Jesus a times had to pass through first to get to Jesus during the course of His ministry on Earth, would now ridiculously start praying to that same mother of Jesus to pray to Jesus and encouraging people to do same, and not completely denounce it.

For even if it be true that Peter was ever the bishop of the catholic church, then going by his records in the bible, it would be that they the catholic church and their leaders these days especially the Pope have significantly derailed from the way that the catholic church was then whike Peter was the leader of it.

So for a Pope who endorses the idolatry in the respect the worship of Mary's image, it not surprising to have this extent of trash emanate from mouth of such a leader:

'Giving more importance to the adjective [gay] rather than the noun [man], this is not good. We are all human beings and have dignity. It does not matter who you are, or how you live your life – you do not lose your dignity.There are people that prefer to select or discard people because of the adjective. These people don’t have a human heart. For those of you who are believers, pray for me. For those of you who do not believe, could you wish me a good journey, so I do not let anyone down."

Now he called it a mere adjective to be gay, hence endorsing a lifestyle which is not just living a sinful but an abominable one even by the law of Moses standards.

Secondly he denounced those who were didn't condone the abomination of homosexuality as not having a human heart.

Now that's the Pope the leader of the catholic church, but this is Jesus the Master, Lord and founder of the true church saying not even to an homosexual, but an adulterous woman caught in the act of adultery which in itself is a much lesser sin than homosexualism:

John 8:10-11 (KJV)
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?"

11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

Now even though He didn't condemn her, He denounced the sinful(adulterous) lifestyle, for regardless of the fact that He didn't condemn her, it was important for her to know that the sinful lifestyle she lived was wrong!

So that she needed to desist from it otherwise even though He had spared her, that the lifestyle of sin would eventually lead her into condemnation.

And that was what someone observed by the world as the world leader of the church would call an adjective, to confirm the truth that he was not chosen by God, and is not of God and hence doesn't represent the views, judgment or Word of God, but that of men.

So I have done my job to put the position of the Jesus on the matter side by side with that of the catholic Pope, so it up to men to chose who their master is and whose example they would follow, if Master Jesus or the blind guide catholic Pope!

Good read and exposé

But for real

I think the catholic church fits into the picture of the great LovePeddler as described in Revelation

I haven't studied it

But I have had few visions describing this