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Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by Nobody: 1:51pm On Jun 02, 2019

hahn:

Are there any archeological discoveries of these gods?

If you followed Billyonaire's threads few years back before he deactivated his account, he posted pictures of mysterious places, like Pyramids of Egypt, places that looked like old quarry (mining) sites, others like Stonehenge, England; Machu Picchu; there are some others ones but I can't recollect them now.

It has been postulated that these places were few activities of the gods that survived over the eons of years.

These are not archeological discoveries of those gods. I don't think there are any as of yet (I may be wrong, though). In any case, making such discoveries may be hard because some of these gods and goddessss left earth several thousands of years ago, and some millions of years ago (Earth is around 4.5 billions years old).

And I feel armageddon (the end time in the Bible) has occurred a few times in the ancient past and were wars between some gods and goddesses, not the lies portrayed about a so-called judgement day of Yahweh, one of the most powerful and vengeful gods on Earth then, in the Bible.

I think if a Third World War takes place, which will be a nuclear war, its (imagined) scale and atrocities will give one a good idea about what such armageddon looked like then as described in the Books of Enki, Gilgamesh, Atum, and stolen in the descriptions of end time in Qur'an and Bible.

This is a huge factor, IMO, that could make it difficult to find real archaeological discoveries of those gods and goddesses.

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by Nobody: 1:58pm On Jun 02, 2019

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by LordReed(m): 2:19pm On Jun 02, 2019

FOLYKAZE:

And you make a mistake if you think I am arguing with you. If your purpose of engaging me is to argue, win an argument from going into an endless circle, you picked the wrong person. You are been schooled and should learn.

You called yourself an atheist but lack full understanding of what atheism is. I believe many of you guys choose the atheist tag because it makes you feel more intelligent. Phew!

You need to know if you do not know before that atheists are people who do not believe in God. That is the simplest definition anyone can have.. Before arriving at atheism, one must have knowledge about God. This brought to two type of atheism we have out there.

Gnostic or strong atheism: The person who belong to this category of atheism do not believe in God because he knows there are no God. This is where the positive assertion show up because it is a form of atheism that assert God does not exist. When you are cornered to prove your assertion, you will run to another form of atheism.

Agnostic or weak atheism: The person who belong to this category of atheism do not believe in any of the God presented, but cannot rule out that some form of God does or does not exist. This form of atheism does not assert there is no God.. It is negative. People that can be categorized into these form atheism are adults who have never heard of the concept of God, and those adults who have not given the idea any real consideration. Also included are agnostics who assert they do not believe in any deities (agnostics thinks God cannot be known) , and children. Many of you take solace in this form of atheism. But when you are drilled further, you resort to rants and fallacy.

All in all, atheism requires knowledge of a god or gods, since to not believe in thing, you have to be aware of that thing. It doesn't make sense to tell me there is no Elephant in my backyard when you don't know what Elephant is.

Carl Sagan said "The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying… it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity."

This above implies that Sagan concluded logically that if God is redefined as physical law that govern the universe, we can agree that such God does indeed exist.

Due to pride in ignorance, you and your likes refuse to see nature as God even when history have justified Gods are natural forces and elements found in nature. You probably hate the word God....if you tell me that, I will understand.

Years back, people worship planet earth as Gaia. Since Earth is Gaia, and Earth exist, it proves that Gaia indeed exist.

Sol is an ancient God which represents Sun. Since sun exist today, one can logically argue that Sol exist.

Many religion in the world is founded on natural pantheism. The world hold to see nature as a divinity. When you claim divinity doesnot exist, it implies nature does not exist which makes you lot appear like a fool.

Energy has all the Omni attribute of a God.

Energy is infinite, has no beginning or end. God is the Alpha and omega.

Energy is everywhere. God is omnipresent

Energy is all powerful. God is omnipotent

Energy was not created and cannot be destroyed. God is immortal.

Sounds, emotion and sentience are formed by energy.

You and lot of your fellows are atheists to monotheism, just like Christians are atheists to Zeus or Baal. It is foolishness to hold fast onto atheism when other concepts of God are presented

Keep arguing with yourself you hear, I have nothing for you.

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by FOLYKAZE(m): 2:33pm On Jun 02, 2019

LordReed:

Keep arguing with yourself you hear, I have nothing for you.

Run along!!!
Cheers

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by LordReed(m): 2:40pm On Jun 02, 2019

FOLYKAZE:

Run along!!!

Cheers

I thought you want to argue some more with yourself, please be my guest.

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by tintingz(m): 3:10pm On Jun 02, 2019

emrain:

Religion* is beyond the ”opium of the masses”. It is more of a tested and (was trusted) constitution that was very effective in preserving humanity.

The moment you understand religion is beyond the church, offerings and (heaven/hell), you will begin to appreciate its usefulness.

The world is rapidly moving away from ancient wisdom to nothingness, I hope people realize this sooner than later.

*Due to my limited knowledge of other religion, I'll focus on Christianity.

Yes religion is useful in conquest and slavery.

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by HardMirror(m): 3:26pm On Jun 02, 2019

FOLYKAZE:

Try harder.... Still not making sense.

try harder... you still not making sense.

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by budaatum: 4:57pm On Jun 02, 2019

gensteejay:

There are thousands of gods and goddesses that have/had been worshipped in religions in history. And there are billions of galaxies in the universe according to science, and there are much more galaxies (worlds) in the universe and parallel and alternate worlds, according to some philosophers, so those gods could be anywhere.

I don't know the actual locations.What I am sure of is that they are long, long, long gone from this tiny world of ours (Earth).

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by budaatum: 5:09pm On Jun 02, 2019

sonmvayina:
I think you have to divorce the personal from the general, on a personal level I have no use for any religion & I think that religion is retarding the progress of the human race, however, on a general level, I would have to be very arrogant not to recognise that religion still means an awful lot to an an awful lot of, otherwise intelligent, people, since earliest times, we, ad a species, have appeared to need to ~~believe in~~ understand something outside of ourselves, I will never understand that need, but then again, I don't have to.

You do realise you are in the religious section, right? And that you are in the religious section for the sole purpose of trying to "understand that need"? And that your "need" is precisely to "understand", which is the sole reason for which you are here?

Please never say "never". It is not possible that you would be seeking to understand but "never" understand unless you intend, of your own choosing, to "never" understand. And personally speaking, I cannot believe you could do that.

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by budaatum: 5:10pm On Jun 02, 2019

hahn:

"What I am sure of is that they are long, long, long gone from this tiny world of ours (Earth)."

As in Zeus has gone, Osiris has gone, etc, you mean?

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by budaatum: 5:16pm On Jun 02, 2019

LordReed:

How do you distinguish between what is written as history and what is mere mythology? Surely not all these stories can be true because they contradict one another.

So, according to you, my Lord, "stories are not true because they contradict one another"?

Let me agree with you for an instance and ask you if, "buda is not true because buda is a contradiction".

Think about it some before you respond please my Lord. You know I'll know how deep by your response

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by budaatum: 5:17pm On Jun 02, 2019

LordReed:

Keep arguing with yourself you hear, I have nothing for you.

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by LordReed(m): 5:50pm On Jun 02, 2019

budaatum:

So, according to you, my Lord, "stories are not true because they contradict one another"?

Let me agree with you for an instance and ask you if, "buda is not true because buda is a contradiction".

Think about it some before you respond please my Lord. You know I'll know how deep by your response

My dear buda a thing that exists cannot itself be a contradiction because it exists. If you say something that contradicts something you said or will say then one of your statements is incorrect. Even the biggest apparent contradiction in our world the whale, has been resolved to not be a contradiction.

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by budaatum: 6:10pm On Jun 02, 2019

LordReed:

My dear buda a thing that exists cannot itself be a contradiction because it exists. If you say something that contradicts something you said or will say then one of your statements is incorrect. Even the biggest apparent contradiction in our world the whale, has been resolved to not be a contradiction.

Johnydon22 opened school on "existence" my Lord, and attendance was free so I'm assuming it was attended at the time. But if we need to go back and repeat class because we failed:

What is "a thing"? Can "a thing" include a thought, an idea and a concept in your head or does "a thing" have to have a physical body for it to be said to "exist"?

I'd also ask if beans is beans, but would rather not, at this point in time.

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by LordReed(m): 6:55pm On Jun 02, 2019

budaatum:

Johnydon22 opened school on "existence" my Lord, and attendance was free so I'm assuming it was attended at the time. But if we need to go back and repeat class because we failed:

What is "a thing"? Can "a thing" include a thought, an idea and a concept in your head or does "a thing" have to have a physical body for it to be said to "exist"?

I'd also ask if beans is beans, but would rather not, at this point in time.

I don't think you looked deep at what I said my dear buda. Look at my statement again and this time concentrate on itself.

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by johnydon22(m): 7:46pm On Jun 02, 2019

LordReed:

My dear buda a thing that exists cannot itself be a contradiction because it exists. If you say something that contradicts something you said or will say then one of your statements is incorrect. Even the biggest apparent contradiction in our world the whale, has been resolved to not be a contradiction.

Interesting, never came across the idea of whales being contradictions. Can you tell me more about this?

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Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by budaatum: 8:13pm On Jun 02, 2019

You are not "my Lord" if I don't "look deep" at what you say my Lord. Perhaps if I do you sentence by sentence, you see how deep I look.

LordReed:

My dear buda a thing that exists cannot itself be a contradiction because it exists.

Whether a thing exists or not has no bearing on whether it is a contradiction or not.

Whether a thing is a contradiction or not has no bearing on its existence or not neither.

A thing can exist or not exist and be in contradiction. And a contradiction can exist or not exist in its own right.

LordReed:

If you say something that contradicts something you said or will say then one of your statements is incorrect.

I've said pretty much what you're saying is incorrect in one of my 4 statements above, so pick the relevant one(s) and show me how it is incorrect.

LordReed:

Even the biggest apparent contradiction in our world the whale, has been resolved to not be a contradiction.

Can't say I understand how the whale is "the biggest apparent contradiction in our world", so I can not say I understand what you mean by it "has been resolved to not be a contradiction", but I'd like to focus on the aboves first. Can we return to whales after please? Or let me read in your response to my Don.

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by LordReed(m): 8:22pm On Jun 02, 2019

johnydon22:

Interesting, never came across the idea of whales being contradictions. Can you tell me more about this?

Is the whale a mammal or a fish?

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by LordReed(m): 8:31pm On Jun 02, 2019

budaatum:
You are not "my Lord" if I don't "look deep" at what you say my Lord. Perhaps if I do you sentence by sentence, you see how deep I look.

Whether a thing exists or not has no bearing on whether it is a contradiction or not.

Whether a thing is a contradiction or not has no bearing on its existence or not neither.

A thing can exist or not exist and be in contradiction. And a contradiction can exist or not exist in its own right.

I've said pretty much what you're saying is incorrect in one of my 4 statements above, so pick the relevant one(s) and show me how it is incorrect.

My dear buda thou are not careful in reading my words. I said "a thing that exists cannot itself be a contradiction because it exists" in response to your question "buda is not true because buda is a contradiction". You yourself cannot be a contradiction because according to the law of contradiction a thing is or it isn't, you buda are and so are unable to be a contradiction.

Can't say I understand how the whale is "the biggest apparent contradiction in our world", so I can not say I understand what you mean by it "has been resolved to not be a contradiction", but I'd like to focus on the aboves first. Can we return to whales after please? Or let me read in your response to my Don.

Is the whale a mammal or fish?

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by johnydon22(m): 8:55pm On Jun 02, 2019

LordReed:

Is the whale a mammal or a fish?

Mammal.

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by LordReed(m): 9:00pm On Jun 02, 2019

johnydon22:
Mammal.

Correct. Even though intuition would suggest that it is a fish since fish live in the water and mammals live on land.

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by budaatum: 10:13pm On Jun 02, 2019

LordReed:

My dear buda thou are not careful in reading my words. I said "a thing that exists cannot itself be a contradiction because it exists" in response to your question "buda is not true because buda is a contradiction". You yourself cannot be a contradiction because according to the law of contradiction a thing is or it isn't, you buda are and so are unable to be a contradiction.

And you my Lord, fail to take into consideration the contradiction of the "where" of buda's existence!

Or is it not true that buda exists to you 'where' you are, hence you conversing with buda and buda responding?

Yet is it also not true that buda exists 'where' buda exists with miles between you and buda?

Perhaps there are two budas, one that exists 'where' you are and with whom you discourse, and another buda existing 'where' buda is who discourses with you.

Or the existence of buda is such that buda exists 'where' you are and 'where' buda is.

Either ways, buda would appear to exist with features in two places as an "is" in one place, and an "isn't" in the other, but yet appearing in both at the same time, which is not only a clear contradiction because we both know there is only one buda, but a super non-contradiction because buda exists in both places miles apart at once.

Can you see how narratives (stories) can be both true and not true and be therefore in contradiction and yet exist such that contradictions can therefore not prove or disprove existence?

I'll give you my favourite. We all know Alice never fell through a looking glass, but is it not true that words mean exactly what Humpty Dumpty, whom she met when she fell, says they mean?

As I say, bean is not beans, my Lord, despite some insisting otherwise.

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Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by LordReed(m): 10:43pm On Jun 02, 2019

budaatum:

And you my Lord, fail to take into consideration the contradiction of the "where" of buda's existence!

Or is it not true that buda exists to you 'where' you are, hence you conversing with buda and buda responding?

Yet is it also not true that buda exists 'where' buda exists with miles between you and buda?

Perhaps there are two budas, one that exists 'where' you are and with whom you discourse, and another buda existing 'where' buda is who discourses with you.

Or the existence of buda is such that buda exists 'where' you are and 'where' buda is.

Either ways, buda would appear to exist with features in two places as an "is" in one place, and an "isn't" in the other, but yet appearing in both at the same time, which is not only a clear contradiction because we both know there is only one buda, but a super non-contradiction because buda exists in both places miles apart at once.

Can you see how narratives (stories) can be both true and not true and be therefore in contradiction and yet exist such that contradictions can therefore not prove or disprove existence?

I'll give you my favourite. We all know Alice never fell through a looking glass, but is it not true that words mean exactly what Humpty Dumpty, whom she met when she fell, says they mean?

As I say, bean is not beans, my Lord, despite some insisting otherwise.

That one my dear buda is too deep for me, for you asked me if buda is not buda's location. grin

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Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by budaatum: 10:50pm On Jun 02, 2019

LordReed:

That one my dear buda is too deep for me, for you asked me if buda is not buda's location.

You know buda. Lol.

I recommend Ludwig Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus for a right royal headfuq.

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by johnydon22(m): 11:22pm On Jun 02, 2019

budaatum:

You know buda. Lol.

I recommend Ludwig Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus for a right royal headfuq.

Just downloaded this. Thank you for the recommendation

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Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by Billy0naire(m): 11:32pm On Jun 02, 2019

Religions are just simulation programs for mass control, it has outlived its welcome.

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by budaatum: 2:24am On Jun 03, 2019

johnydon22:

Just downloaded this. Thank you for the recommendation

Our Nigerian education system tends to teach us "facts" so we tend to develop a tendency of 'believing' the crap our heads are filled with. This kills the creative 'think out of the box' tendencies that we are born with as a child. As hammer hammers brain cells to death, so our education imprisons us in little boxes in our heads. We switch on light and it's "NEEEPAAA!"

The atheistic tendency is an indication of dissatisfaction with our prisons. Like Plato did describe do some step outside and see what's there and can no longer 'believe' in the shadows in the cave. The step-outsiders out of love enter back into the cave to inform those who have not stepped outside of what they have seen outside the cave. But the in-cave dwellers wouldn't have it and would bash the step-outsider in the head!

But more and more are stepping outside the cave and seeing the reality of the outside. And as can be seen, there's now so many step-outsiders that the in-cave dwellers cannot possibly bash the heads of you all in. However, step-outsiders are finding it difficult to convince the in-cave dwellers that there is an outside for them to step out to. But if step-outsiders understood how in-cave dwellers think or believe as is the case is, might the step-outsiders indeed be able to convince the in-cave dwellers to step outside the cave?

One would think so. The problem I find is that the in-cave dwellers and the step-outsiders speak in different tongues. So when the in-cave dwellers use in-cave words like "God", "mountains", "faith", "born again" etc, the step-outsider hears words that have no meaning on the outside. And when the step-outsider tells the in-cave dwellers to step outside and "evolve", the in-cave dwellers hear it said their mother is a chimpanzee and they should step out into the rain. Can one blame the in-cave dwellers for bashing the step-outsider's head against the cave?

That's why the likes of you would ask to be shown "God", and say "Zeus is dead". You realise not that the totality of ideas that encompass the concept called "Zeus" and "God" are very alive and kicking around even in your own heads, whether you be an in-cave dweller or a step-outsider. How I laugh when an atheist says they don't 'believe' in the existence of gods and when I accused you of the theology of a bang that was big. How does a mythology - which it is - of a big bang, differ to God said "light be" and light was? Was anyone there to see how big the bang was when light came on and report it back to anyone?

Yet, those who have been to Egypt and learnt the art of the outside and the inside of caves know no difference, and must be cautious least the in-cave dwellers bash the heads of the Egypt shifters, shall I call them, against the insides of the cave, as the step-outsiders nailed Jesus Christ to a cross. Or is bashing heads against the inside walls of a cave not the same as "crucify him" outside the cave? Not to many would agree, I suppose, but in all honesty the same devil of ignorance motivates the in-cave dwellers and the step-outsiders. Ignorance, after all, does not discriminate who it entraps. Be it inside or outside of a cave, as sure as the rain, does it piss down and get everyone wet and cold, while our very own arrogance encloaks us with the delusion of an umbrella!

It's not by might that you are dragged out of the rain, but by the Might of the Lord Wisdom and that which is its Grace. For the use of it which is the Messianic gift as taught in Egypt by the Logos that was written in the Blood that was shed upon a Cross and which Enlightens up the path that we may live and nay not die that you may step out of the cave and into rain and not be wet nor cold.

But as I said, different tongues - the language of the in-cave dwellers and the step-outsiders in no way being the same except to those who have been to shift in Egypt - it not being for nought that from there are Sons called.

You my Lord will not remain at the base believing what they tell you to believe! You will go up the mountain of understanding and look down and see for yourself!

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by Nobody: 3:39am On Jun 03, 2019

FOLYKAZE:

And you make a mistake if you think I am arguing with you. If your purpose of engaging me is to argue, win an argument from going into an endless circle, you picked the wrong person. You are been schooled and should learn.

You called yourself an atheist but lack full understanding of what atheism is. I believe many of you guys choose the atheist tag because it makes you feel more intelligent. Phew!

You need to know if you do not know before that atheists are people who do not believe in God. That is the simplest definition anyone can have.. Before arriving at atheism, one must have knowledge about God. This brought to two type of atheism we have out there.

Gnostic or strong atheism: The person who belong to this category of atheism do not believe in God because he knows there are no God. This is where the positive assertion show up because it is a form of atheism that assert God does not exist. When you are cornered to prove your assertion, you will run to another form of atheism.

Agnostic or weak atheism: The person who belong to this category of atheism do not believe in any of the God presented, but cannot rule out that some form of God does or does not exist. This form of atheism does not assert there is no God.. It is negative. People that can be categorized into these form atheism are adults who have never heard of the concept of God, and those adults who have not given the idea any real consideration. Also included are agnostics who assert they do not believe in any deities (agnostics thinks God cannot be known) , and children. Many of you take solace in this form of atheism. But when you are drilled further, you resort to rants and fallacy.

All in all, atheism requires knowledge of a god or gods, since to not believe in thing, you have to be aware of that thing. It doesn't make sense to tell me there is no Elephant in my backyard when you don't know what Elephant is.

Carl Sagan said "The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying… it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity."

This above implies that Sagan concluded logically that if God is redefined as physical law that govern the universe, we can agree that such God does indeed exist.

Due to pride in ignorance, you and your likes refuse to see nature as God even when history have justified Gods are natural forces and elements found in nature. You probably hate the word God....if you tell me that, I will understand.

Years back, people worship planet earth as Gaia. Since Earth is Gaia, and Earth exist, it proves that Gaia indeed exist.

Sol is an ancient God which represents Sun. Since sun exist today, one can logically argue that Sol exist.

Many religion in the world is founded on natural pantheism. The world hold to see nature as a divinity. When you claim divinity doesnot exist, it implies nature does not exist which makes you lot appear like a fool.

Energy has all the Omni attribute of a God.

Energy is infinite, has no beginning or end. God is the Alpha and omega.

Energy is everywhere. God is omnipresent

Energy is all powerful. God is omnipotent

Energy was not created and cannot be destroyed. God is immortal.

Sounds, emotion and sentience are formed by energy.

You and lot of your fellows are atheists to monotheism, just like Christians are atheists to Zeus or Baal. It is foolishness to hold fast onto atheism when other concepts of God are presented

Have mercy please!!!!

You wan kill that poor fella with your mouth alone? grin

This is an overdose of truth for someone whose brain has become saturated with lies.

So please take am small small abeg, make e no be say you wan do good cure person disease, and the person come die of treatment overdose. wink

But on a more serious note, a very good case made for the truth.

Thanks and God bless.

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by Nobody: 5:06am On Jun 03, 2019

johnydon22:
I have been meaning to ask people this, to understand the reasons for such positions on this particular matter.

What do you think?

Would you prefer to live in a world without religion?

Why?

or

Why not?

First of all, it depends on what you mean by religion, for the definition of religion comes in different forms, shapes and sizes.

But if you mean religion in sense of the true worship of God, I would say a big "YES!"

For the idea of religion by that definition was more or less conceived with the aim to produce a more righteous and better behaved people in comparison to other peoples of the world, on the basis of man "loving his Creator..." and then "loving his neighbor..." which Jesus called the two greatest commandments of the Laws of Moses.

But of course to possibility of achieving the purpose of religion to that extent absolutely hinged on the willingness of man to do what religion required of him, which was to keep those two greatest commandments, otherwise the purpose of religion would be defeated.

So that was the case when the people that were chosen for this purpose were discovered to be a stiff-necked and rebellious set of people at the time, hence even though the intention of religion was a very good one, it made it just about impossible for its purpose to be achieved through such unwilling persons.

Therefore that key factor is responsible for any given instance of the failure of religion to achieve its purpose, for it requires willing people for it to succeed, and whenever that requirement is met, religion have proven itself overtime to easily be the best option for any people or nation.

So religion has never and would never be the problem, but the willingness of those who practice it to adhere to its basic principles of man "loving his Creator..." and "loving his neighbor...".

Thanks.

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by Nobody: 5:47am On Jun 03, 2019

Most people change clothes, phones, laptops usually to get better, more stylish or new ones if they can afford these items. They are just trying to "upgrade".

Strangely, when some people do this, they either ignorantly or willingly go for worse ones (clothes, etc.), even though they can afford to get better ones.

I find the second group of people intriguing.

How can an atheist dump atheism for Christianity or Islam? Do people willingly "downgrade" or do so ignorantly? Have they found time to study the whole Bible or Qur'an?

I don't know how a person will read either of those 2 books from A to Z — and not just cherrypick some favorite chapters and verses like most do — and leave atheism for religion. Well, stranger things have happened.

Sometimes, such people are only using religion as a tool like pastopreneurs do to make money from gullible folks (sheeple). Religion to them, is a mere tool (it's, in actual fact), which is to be used to pursue some personal (selfish) agenda, political, monetary, and dumped. Just like we use a broom for sweeping and dump it after use. And pick it up later and dump it again.

Sometimes, it's for their safety. The nexus between religion and coercion/manipulation comes to mind here.

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by Nobody: 7:08am On Jun 03, 2019

Huh. Never really noticed this thread before.

johnydon22:
I have been meaning to ask people this, to understand the reasons for such positions on this particular matter.

What do you think?

Would you prefer to live in a world without religion?

Why?

or

Why not?

Honestly... Who cares?

A Religionless world still has human beings. And human beings will be human beings. We'll still find other ways to control and marginalize and manipulate people undecided

Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by MJBOLT: 7:11am On Jun 03, 2019

one of the reasons i need the infinity gauntlet

XxSabrinaxX:
Huh. Never really noticed this thread before.

Honestly... Who cares?

A Religionless world still has human beings. And human beings will be human beings. We'll still find other ways to control and marginalize and manipulate people

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