Whatever mistakes Justwise made by deleting posts was just a knock-on effect of the criticism he received for threatening to ban Bellong. Justwise and Bellong had a private chat which these critics weren't privy to. So, if the admin, based on the conversation he had decided to go ahead and ban Bellong, why is that too difficult to respect?

bellong:



@Goodmemory,

This is your comment on the DIY thread. I am disappointed that you can make an assumption for a fact. In addition, you made hasty conclusion based on a one-sided story. I thought, fair hearing entails that the other party be given an opportunity to present his position before a verdict is passed.


To set the record straight, for a start, I NEVER HAD ANY PRIVATE CHAT WITH THE MODERATOR. Where you got that from, I can't say.

This is my side of the story to put things in perspective as you have crucified me to have flouted rules and deserved a punishment.

Few days ago, I logged on to Nairaland and saw Justwise has posted in the thread accusing me of turning the thread to my personal business among other accusations. He asked that I remove the ad in my signature which he claimed violates rule number 6 (I will address his false interpretation of the rule later). Knowing who he is and I was not ready to engage him in any discussion, I attempted removing the ad in my signature immediately I read his comment but I discovered that he already banned me and I couldn't edit my profile because it greys out. I also couldn't post in any section on the forum like now, so I couldn't let him know that the ban prevents me from editing my signature.

After several tries with no success, I gave up on editing the profile. Thereafter, I had a discussion with Bnimz explaining why I couldn't edit the signature. Bnimz informed Justwise on the Living in Australia thread because he had removed the DIY thread. Despite explanation, Justwise insisted that it is possible and I have to do it before the thread can be released or ban lifted. He didn't change his rigid position until Bnimz volunteered to be banned to test his claim. Bnimz was unable to edit his signature too making my claim true contrary to what Justwise wanted people to believe. It was after that he lifted the ban.

Bnimz informed me that the ban has been lifted, I logged in, edited the signature immediately to remove the ad. After removing the ad, I addressed Justwise false accusation and character assassination against me. He accused me of collecting money from people on the thread before answering their questions. He accused me of turning the thread to my personal business and that I refused to carry out his instructions. I put only one challenge to him. I asked him to point out ONLY ONE PERSON, I collected money from on the thread before I answered his questions. The challenge is to just point out one person I charged on the thread but he hid my post and went ahead to ban me again till 2021 like he did previously. In the post, I also point out my observation about the skills he lacks which will be useful for him in life. I finally addressed the ad accusation based on Nairaland rules.

In all these, I don't understand what I did wrong to justify Justwise's personal attacks against my person calling me a not straightforward person. I have not had any personal dealings with you neither have I exchanged any emails with you. To conclude I am not a straightforward person is way beyond your boundary and it is slanderous. Doing your job as a moderator doesn't come with the right to accuse people falsely or assassinate their character. If you were objective and sincere with what you did, you should have left the only post I made on this matter. You hid the post but went ahead to tell lies about the turn of events knowing well that I had no opportunity to present my version which is verifiable.

My challenge still stands, please name just one person that I collected money from. If you don't or can't, you owe me an apology. I will not address your handling of this issue because you have shown to be not capable of engaging in logical and intellectual discussion.


To address the supposed rule flouted. There are 22 rules governing operations on Nairaland. These rules are not specific to a section, they are sitewide rules.

Rule no 6 states: "6. Don't post adverts or affiliate links outside the areas where adverts are explicitly allowed."
This rule 6 does not exist in isolation, you need to read subsequent rules to under the "explicitly allowed" areas for ads. The rule also shows that free ads are allowed in certain areas.

Rule no 12 states -
"12. Don't insert signatures into your posts. Instead, add the desired signature to your profile."

The rule clearly states "Desired Signature". I never posted ads in the wrong areas but I chose my desired signature which is protected by Nairaland rules but Justwise took offence with my signature. I didn't not post an advert on the thread and I wouldn't because I understand the rules and I am always for upholding the rules. Nowhere in the 22 rules says anything against ad in the signature. Reading through all sections on Nairaland including the travel, thousands of people have ads in their signature and they have not been banned by mods or supermods to show they didn't violate any rule. People get banned because they post advert in comments and wrong threads. Saying I violated a rule is uncalled for. Despite this, I agreed to remove the ad from my signature which I did but it wasn't enough for him but to attack my person.

I think it is more than the supposed broken rules. If you have anything against me, you should be able to address it than hiding behind a rule to attack my character.

I believe no one is indispensable and I have never acted or make people believe I am indispensable. I am confident that the thread will move on without me as it was before me. However, I believe credit should be given where it is deserved. To some, the best way for Justwise to go about this issue is to attack my personality, ban me without giving me opportunity to fair hearing and also to talk down on people with contrary opinion. If I didn't know about the rules, the best option is to give an opportunity for me to correct the error or mistake and not just pass a verdict in addition with derogatory comments and character assassination. It is pathetic to say the least.

I still maintain my position, I don't care if I am banned, but I do care if he removed the thread. The thread doesn't belong to me. It is a collective efforts of different people who have contributed their personal experiences. Deleting a thread because of the alleged offence of one person is taking decision too far. As it is, part 1 of the thread is still hidden which shouldn't be so. I will make it clear, the thread doesn't belong to me, it belongs to every single person that contributed on it, so you have no right to remove the thread.

This is my position. I have many things to say but Will keep them to myself.

I am still banned from posting in the travel section which is why I am putting the post here. I need to set the record straight against all the accusations, assumptions and derogatory opinions.

CC:

Bnimz
Funso
Mamajazz
Alphadoor
Ugsams
iammiracle1
Bamz
Sweetg
Embassy4u
Catchdwind4rmkd
Dodirtslikeworms
Afosahid
Farnet
tomimy1
Victor 54
Akari01
Experience 4u
btsnm
Felixz01
Fatima04
Xkoba
Bogeyman007
Donpaulo44

These are all the monikers I can see that contributed to the story. The others are hidden.

iammiracle1:
Wow, its well sir, your points are very consice & verifiable, i hope oga Justwise does the right thing and puts this matter to bed.

justwise:


Which point is verifiable?

iammiracle1:


The points he made, of banning and not editing, rules flouted loopholes etc

akari01:
@justwise,
We have read from both sides.
We have noted errors from both sides.
Can we end this amicably?
As you can see, the thread is moving on with people already giving guidance to questions asked, so we know the thread will survive with or without @bellong.
Why not reinstate his access to the group, if he so wishes to still contribute? People who are just joining the train will gain from his experience and knowledge, not as a stand-alone “know-all” as you had opined, but as a contributor just like everyone else.
And thank you for posting decently on here; i appreciate that its devoid of insults.
Thank you also for doing your bit as moderator and upholding the rules. Please look at the rules again and plug the loopholes too.

Alphadoor:
Hi Aussie Fam,
With support from the chief himself , Sir bellong,
There is a proposal to move this thread away from NL to an independent forum.

This will enable us interact better and track posts effectively.
Feature will include but not limited to

-better tracking of each NOC information.
-categorisation of each subject matter
-Easy navigation for new comers
-Archivable content.
-Avoid repetition of same issue over and over again, we can have "how to sections" for most used assessing bodies.
-profile progress tracking
-ITA dates countdown.
-
......and so much more.

This site will require all our effects to thrive as a community and this will require commitments from some users to acts as mods and supermods and champions
I have to warn that this new community will not be a walk in the park but it will be an interesting walk for us all.

Suggestion for site new is needed.
Volunteer for Mods, Supermods, and champions (People with vast knowledge of a particular assessing authority)

The idea is to have a platform like [url]www.migrati.. that will be information rich

Please note that nothing has been concluded or decided yet. this is just an idea for us to consider

Bnimz:
The Nairaland forum should be maintained though.. A new site won't be as popular as Nairaland... Plus this forum has helped a lot of lives.. A new site can be created but this one needs to remain as well .... Just my opinion

justwise:
The hypocrisy of many here is unbelievable, they have planned to move that thread to another forum years ago.

justwise:
The hypocrisy of many here is unbelievable, they have planned to move that thread to another forum years ago.



This has being their plans since 2017 and now they are crying foul pretending as if they love that thread so much.


Many of them supporting bellong including bellong himself supported the idea of moving that thread from nairaland to another forum.


So far only Bnimz had a different view on it here:

akari01:
@justwise, for real
Kai!!
You are just impossible.....wey we dey hail say you don handle the matter wella comot am from the thread so that the thread can move on?
Wetin?
See, from what you mentioned on the thread, visa cannot be tracked on nairaland. Info cannot be sourced if you don’t start from page 1 or ask questions again...i suffered that here and i can tell you i easily found resources on expatforum, pomsinoz and the rest. What’s bad if such is proposed, except you feel its a personal attack on NL. It doesn’t reduce the relevance of NL. It won’t.
Haba, guy.
Let this rest.

bellong:
@all,

Thank you.

I hold no grudge against the moderator and still have no ill feelings. Whatever happened doesn't worth my time to dwell on or keep a grudge. It is the least of my worries. However, I am unsure of his own agenda because of subsequent turn of events. Digging up posts from 2017 and making erroneous judgement on the said posts shows there is a personal vendetta going on which many are oblivious of. I never expected that this will result to going back to two years posts to raise another round of accusations. This is beyond just breaking a supposed rule.

As it stands, Alphadoor has been banned for the suggestion he made in 2017. Catchdwind4rmkd has also been banned. Those are the two I am aware of. There is possibility that many more have been banned. If you want to ban people who are providing strategic guidance and yet wants the thread to flourish, how counterproductive is that? I don't know how we will be able to assist people when majority of those we rely on to respond to some questions are already banned for no just cause.

If you want me out of Nairaland, you can make your stand known clearly and we know where we stand. If you have a score to settle aside this flouted rule, you can also indicate.

For the umpteenth time, I have done nothing wrong and I don't care if you dig out my past posts in isolation to clutch on straws about your position. Whatever post you want to dig, just ensure that you dig the posts in context with discussion prior and after it to give your audience a befitting entertainment.

Irrespective of what you claim, my challenge still stands, name ONE person I collected money from on Nairaland and this challenge I also put to other users. Anybody that I have ever collected money from, can come forward with the evidence.

This will be my last post on this matter moving forward. I will not dignify you with a response anymore except you bring one person from the thread that I collected money from with evidence. I will do the right thing to apologise.

For the record, the ban was reduced by a supermod and not him.

Alphadoor:
@Justwise

Here we are again

While I had decided not to feed your frenzy anymore on this issue and posted latest update on visa 489 to 491 on the DIY thread and was planning on breaking down the new law to everyone.
However, you had decided to further your agenda by moving to assassinate my character and discredit my handle, to the extent that you combed through every one of my 960 post on nairaland to find dirt on me and afterwards, you narrowed and clinched on my post from 2017 and proceeded with a ban till 2021 for the travel section and a two days’ general ban via the antispam bot which was invoked by yourself. This action furthers bring your character and power use into question.

I still don’t want to feed your frenzy at this point, because this abuse of power is obviously coming from a deeper place and I will like not be an Alice (wonderland) at this point.

I urge you to kindly retract/delete your statement assassinating and discrediting my character in the shortest time possible and re-instate my handle with full access. I won’t stand cyberbullying.

@goodmemory @embassy4u, I hope you both have a perspicacious response to this line of action

I wonder who is next on the gallows.

This is also my last post on this matter moving forward.
I will not aggrandize your ego and motive with a response anymore.

May you find Peace

-Alphadoor-

justwise:


So you think i'm doing all these because of what? Do i make a penny from nairaland? How will taking traffic away from nairaland help this forum? Do you know how websites attract advertisement?

Visa and info can be sourced if somebody is willing to keep track and update it then re-post it as the thread moves from page to page. This is what members in Canadian student visa thread are doing and in US visa thread they achieved all interview transcripts posts and update it then the link will be available in first page.

If you are Seun will you be happy to have a thread here moved to another forum?

akari01:
@justwise,
Except there’s more gist or deleted discussions, nothing suggested moving a thread out of here. Infact the more i thought of it, the more it makes sense to have something like that of the Indians specifically for skilled migration, instead of us going to their websites for ‘sorted’ info. Think about it, it will work well for NL, cos the traffic gets generated here first, if you are open to it. Also, know that Nobody holds the monopoly to ideas, esp in this age.

And the way this matter has been handled may actually drive the traffic outta here, if the people who are major contributors are banned, reason this thing well o. Na the people wey dey generate the traffic you dey ban so o.

.

Alphadoor:
Hi Aussie Fam,
With support from the chief himself , Sir bellong,
There is a proposal to move this thread away from NL to an independent forum.

This will enable us interact better and track posts effectively.
Feature will include but not limited to

-better tracking of each NOC information.
-categorisation of each subject matter
-Easy navigation for new comers
-Archivable content.
-Avoid repetition of same issue over and over again, we can have "how to sections" for most used assessing bodies.
-profile progress tracking
-ITA dates countdown.
-
......and so much more.

This site will require all our effects to thrive as a community and this will require commitments from some users to acts as mods and supermods and champions
I have to warn that this new community will not be a walk in the park but it will be an interesting walk for us all.

Suggestion for site new is needed.
Volunteer for Mods, Supermods, and champions (People with vast knowledge of a particular assessing authority)

The idea is to have a platform like [url]www.migrati.. that will be information rich

Please note that nothing has been concluded or decided yet. this is just an idea for us to consider

justwise:
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