I will set the undeniable record straight. I know my fellow yorubas will wanna crucify me here but i don't mind to tell the truth.


During The great Oba oduduwa , Oba Ogun, Oba oranmiyan's reign as the ooni of ife, these Obas were so powerful that they conquered the Ogiso of Edo kingdom and this present day South south region. They installed Obas and monarch in those places including Ekiti, Edo and Ondo regions. At that time we were not known as yoruba then.


But during the last 600years before british rule, the Edos had overshadowed the defunct ife kingdom. They have annexed almost half of the yoruba regions from Ekiti, Lagos, Ondo to their kingdom. These three state were all paying tributes and tax to the Edo kingdom.

Akure:

Akure was paying tribute yearly to the Edo kingdom. King Arakale of Akure tried to stopped it but he was beheaded and executed upon the order of oba of benin

Ado ekiti: The ekiti state capital was paying tribute to Edo kingdom.

Lagos (Eko) of lagos state was paying tribute.

The whole of ondo except Owo kingdom was paying tribute.


The real Yoruba kingdoms were: Benin republic, Oyo state, kwara, part of kogi, ogun and Osun state.


Names of naturalised Edo natives in yoruba lands are :

Ologbosere

Ogedegbe

Adesua or Adesuwa

Omole

Imade

Omoruwa

Ajayi

Etc

Pardon my grammatical blunders I'm not feeling fine

You are not just feeling fine, you are actually not alright.

Anybody can claim anything.

During colonial Era.. The whole of Nigeria was under British rule...

Paying tributes to the Queen.

And lemme tell you what... We are still paying tributes to Her to this day.

PlayerMeji:
During colonial Era.. The whole of Nigeria was under British rule...

Paying tributes to the Queen.

And lemme tell you what... We are still paying tributes to Her to this day.

The Op is just being silly. I guess because Nigeria was once under the Brits, that makes us British or what? Coz I don't even see what she's driving at.

funmijoyb:
I will set the undeniable record straight. I know my fellow yorubas will wanna crucify me here but i don't mind to tell the truth.


During The great Oba oduduwa , Oba Ogun, Oba oranmiyan's reign as the ooni of ife, these Obas were so powerful that they conquered the Ogiso of edo kingdom and the present day South south and installed Obas and monarch in Ekiti, Edo and Ondo regions. At that time we were not known as yoruba then.


But during the last 600years before british took over, the Edos has overshadowed the defunct ife kingdom. They have annexed almost half of the yoruba regions from Ekiti, Lagos, Ondo to their kingdom. These three state were all paying tributes and tax to the Edo kingdom.

Akure:

Akure was paying tribute yearly to the Edo kingdom. King Arakale of Akure tried to stopped it but was beheaded and executed by the reigning oba of benin's order.

Ado ekiti: The ekiti state capital was paying tribute to edo kingdom

Lagos (Eko) of lagos state was paying tribute.

The whole of ondo except Owo kingdom was paying tribute.


The Yoruba kingdoms were: Benin republic, Oyo state, kwara, part of kogi, ogun and Osun state.


Names of naturalised Edo natives in yoruba lands are :

Ologbosere

Ogedegbe

Adesua or Adesuwa

Omole

Imade

Omoruwa

Ajayi

Etc

You're right! Akure was once dominated by the Benin political power long ago, but they never have any impact on the Akures culturally or socially. Back then, Akure was like Intermediary between Benin and Oyo, and they normally exchange goods and services there. Akure is closer to Benin than to Oyo, that's why it's easier for Benin to hold on to Akure.
But the interesting part is that Akure was not influenced in any way by Benin culture, and Benin has never and can never claim Akure in any way. Akure is culturally Yoruba 100%. For some period of time, Akure was overpowered by Benin just as Dahomey was overpowered by Oyo. Akure is Akure now, and we belong to Ile-Ife till eternity, because that's where we came from.

Toluobaeko11:


You're right! Akure was once dominated by the Benin political power long ago, but they never have any impact on the Akures culturally or socially. Back then, Akure was like Intermediary between Benin and Oyo, and they normally exchange goods and services there. Akure is closer to Benin than to Oyo, that's why it's easier for Benin to hold on to Akure.
But the interesting part is that Akure was not influenced in any way by Benin culture, and Benin has never and can never claim Akure in any way. Akure is culturally Yoruba 100%. For some period of time, Akure was overpowered by Benin just as Dahomey was overpowered by Oyo. Akure is Akure now, and we belong to Ile-Ife till eternity, because that's where we came from.

The. Benins sought to be an overlord over Akure and I can say with some level of confidence that the Benin's never sought to influence Akure cultural,

All they wanted was tribute and control and that's what they got,
So its very understandable that Akure retained her complete Yoruba culture,
But not because they could resist the then Benin empire but because they empire never really cared about influencing their culture.

Infact Oba ovarwaremen reacted against the ruler of Akure and seized the two Benin swords that was made by Akure's kings.


And Op please stop lieing,the ogiso went to Ife to seek a ruler from their lost prince who travelled out of Igodomoigo to establish Ife,

But Ife never in any way control a compound in Benin,.
They only served as a spiritual ally.

funmijoyb:
Pardon my grammatical blunders I'm not feeling fine

It's more than your pathetic grammar. I'll be more concerned with your sanity if I were you. Conjuring a lot of BS

kayfra:


It's more than your pathetic grammar. I'll be more concerned with your sanity if I were you. Conjuring a lot of BS

Don't even know what BS means

Chidorx60:


The. Benins sought to be an overlord over Akure and I can say with some level of confidence that the Benin's never sought to influence Akure cultural,

All they wanted was tribute and control and that's what they got,
So its very understandable that Akure retained her complete Yoruba culture,
But not because they could resist the then Benin empire but because they empire never really cared about influencing their culture.

Infact Oba ovarwaremen reacted against the ruler of Akure and seized the two Benin swords that was made by Akure's kings.


And Op please stop lieing,the ogiso went to Ife to seek a ruler from their lost prince who travelled out of Igodomoigo to establish Ife,

But Ife never in any way control a compound in Benin,.
They only served as a spiritual ally.

And thank God we're not paying tribute to anyone again, England was once paying tribute to Rome, but that's gone now. But it's a pity Benin is still paying their Women tributes to European till today.

Why does the spam bot keep banning me for pointing out the OP is not referring to Arakale town (castle) in Turkey?

Jeez.

Toluobaeko11:


And thank God we're not paying tribute to anyone again, England was once paying tribute to Rome, but that's gone now. But it's a pity Benin is still paying their Women tributes to European till today.

Everything I wrote in my post was plain history no abuse meant,

By the way the Yorubas too have social vices to worry about e.g the booming business of head hunting.
So its better we bother ourselves on how to solve our national problems and not make jokes and shades about the peculiar issues of some zones in the country.

Chidorx60:



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So its better we bother ourselves on how to solve our national problems

True that.

OP, seems your mission is to discuss Ondo state, why not discuss Nigeria in general.

Chidorx60:


The. Benins sought to be an overlord over Akure and I can say with some level of confidence that the Benin's never sought to influence Akure cultural,

All they wanted was tribute and control and that's what they got,
So its very understandable that Akure retained her complete Yoruba culture,
But not because they could resist the then Benin empire but because they empire never really cared about influencing their culture.

Infact Oba ovarwaremen reacted against the ruler of Akure and seized the two Benin swords that was made by Akure's kings.


And Op please stop lieing,the ogiso went to Ife to seek a ruler from their lost prince who travelled out of Igodomoigo to establish Ife,

But Ife never in any way control a compound in Benin,.
They only served as a spiritual ally.

No doubt about it Benin was very powerful and overlords some Eastern Yoruba cities back then, but where's Benin now? What's the special relevant they have in Nigeria now? It's better to have a bright future than a very good past. The Igbos that doesn't even have an Empire or a powerful Kingdom back then are more relevant millions way than Benin right now. IT'S NOT HOW YOU START, BUT HOW YOU ENDED!!!

The narratives are very disjointed so it's difficult to say one or the other although of course you can't prevent people from cooking up stories.

But we should focus on Nigeria's problems and how to solve them, as pointed out.

Toluobaeko11:


No doubt about it Benin was very powerful and overlords some Eastern Yoruba cities back then, but where's Benin now? What's the special relevant they have in Nigeria now? It's better to have a bright future than a very good past. The Igbos that doesn't even have an Empire or a powerful Kingdom back then are more relevant millions way than Benin right now. IT'S NOT HOW YOU START, BUT HOW YOU ENDED!!!

Special relevance in terms of what??

If you are talking about population then that's not an issue,
Benin ruled tribes indirectly,it executed this method to maintain its overlordship as I said before,
Hence it's influences never reflected in a large population after colonial rule.


So oga which other relevance are you talking about,
Okay in Education,Edo state has set trail for many,
Some of the founding fathers of Nigeria are from Edo state,
Edo state is a major factor in terms of agricultural and natural revenue.

Mr man you hate for Edo has blinded you not to see that aside from the population difference of Edo compared to the majority tribes,it has contributed just as well to Nigeria.

So you are saying I be Benin boy because I am from Ondo? If I catch you ehn...

funmijoyb:
I will set the undeniable record straight. I know my fellow yorubas will wanna crucify me here but i don't mind to tell the truth.


During The great Oba oduduwa , Oba Ogun, Oba oranmiyan's reign as the ooni of ife, these Obas were so powerful that they conquered the Ogiso of Edo kingdom and this present day South south region. They installed Obas and monarch in those places including Ekiti, Edo and Ondo regions. At that time we were not known as yoruba then.


But during the last 600years before british rule, the Edos had overshadowed the defunct ife kingdom. They have annexed almost half of the yoruba regions from Ekiti, Lagos, Ondo to their kingdom. These three state were all paying tributes and tax to the Edo kingdom.

Akure:

Akure was paying tribute yearly to the Edo kingdom. King Arakale of Akure tried to stopped it but he was beheaded and executed upon the order of oba of benin

Ado ekiti: The ekiti state capital was paying tribute to Edo kingdom.

Lagos (Eko) of lagos state was paying tribute.

The whole of ondo except Owo kingdom was paying tribute.


The real Yoruba kingdoms were: Benin republic, Oyo state, kwara, part of kogi, ogun and Osun state.


Names of naturalised Edo natives in yoruba lands are :

Ologbosere

Ogedegbe

Adesua or Adesuwa

Omole

Imade

Omoruwa

Ajayi

Etc

If you knew history of Yorubaland you would have recognized that all those names you listed are Yoruba names. Any word with Ol- as prefix is Yoruba. Any word with Ad- as prefix is Yoruba. Any word with El-, or Al-, or Il- as prefix is Yoruba. There are many more but Im sure you got the the understanding.

On invasion, I will save Bini the embarassment, but records exists that dispute what you wrote. I cannot reveal these things without causing embarassment to the Bini throne. Bini is a brother to Oyo, what I wouldnt do to Oyo I dare not do to Bini.

In addition, I should let you know that any monarchy in Nigeria that coronates with sword has Yoruba roots.

In Africa, the throne of kingdoms are symbolized by SPEAR. When a King coronates he is handed a Spear. Cultures that do not have kingdoms or empires have MACHETTE. Go through African history and review the history of the ancient kingdoms and empires and you will see this commonality amongst all - the symbol of spear or machette.

There are exceptions.

Yoruba kingdoms and Empires coronate with swords. There is a history behind this. This is not the thread to tell it.

ImperialYoruba:


If you knew history of Yorubaland you would have recognized that all those names you listed are Yoruba names. Any word with Ol- as prefix is Yoruba. Any word with Ad- as prefix is Yoruba. Any word with El-, or Al-, or Il- as prefix is Yoruba. There are many more but Im sure you got the the understanding.

On invasion, I will save Bini the embarassment, but records exists that dispute what you wrote. I cannot reveal these things without causing embarassment to the Bini throne. Bini is a brother to Oyo, what I wouldnt do to Oyo I dare not do to Bini.

Your statement about prefix is total rubbish.. You should have just said Yoruba started alpabets thenn
Please all exisiting written records favours Benin Kingdom..

Toluobaeko11:


No doubt about it Benin was very powerful and overlords some Eastern Yoruba cities back then, but where's Benin now? What's the special relevant they have in Nigeria now? It's better to have a bright future than a very good past. The Igbos that doesn't even have an Empire or a powerful Kingdom back then are more relevant millions way than Benin right now. IT'S NOT HOW YOU START, BUT HOW YOU ENDED!!!

fool. How do you thing Igbo's and Yoruba will end up? Do you even know the future?. Egypt, UK, Iraq and many more once controlled the world but it's usa that is world power now. Civilisation rise and fall

Yoruba obsession with Benin is tiring, the op that started the thread is yoruba

Igbosmoker:
the op that started the thread is yoruba

Highly debatable, why the misinformation.

ImperialYoruba:


If you knew history of Yorubaland you would have recognized that all those names you listed are Yoruba names. Any word with Ol- as prefix is Yoruba. Any word with Ad- as prefix is Yoruba. Any word with El-, or Al-, or Il- as prefix is Yoruba. There are many more but Im sure you got the the understanding.

On invasion, I will save Bini the embarassment, but records exists that dispute what you wrote. I cannot reveal these things without causing embarassment to the Bini throne. Bini is a brother to Oyo, what I wouldnt do to Oyo I dare not do to Bini.

You have a serious problem,
You claim to be nice to the Benin throne buh indirectly you slimely try to insult Edo heritage by your words,
Gosh I hate hypocrisy,
Which stupid embarrassment will you cause to Benin,you have not dealt with the eternal shame the Yoruba's suffered in the hands of the Fulani warlords, but you are here claiming cover up for Benin.
Guy sharrrap only the white man conquered the Edo people so spill out any rubbish you claim to be hiding on behalf of Benin.

I don't meant to abuse you and I'm sorry in advance if you are,
But their is clearly no better way to say this.

Is this extended discussion and counter arguments just to keep the thread trending on google and search engines (helping the op), or is any of it meant to be taken seriously.

Chidorx60:

You have a serious problem,
You claim to be nice to the Benin throne buh indirectly you slimely try to insult Edo heritage by your words,
Gosh I hate hypocrisy,
Which stupid embarrassment will you cause to Benin,you have not dealt with the eternal shame the Yoruba's suffered in the hands of the Fulani warlords, but you are here claiming cover up for Benin.
Guy sharrrap only the white man conquered the Edo people so spill out any rubbish you claim to be hiding on behalf of Benin.

I don't meant to abuse you and I'm sorry in advance if you are,
But their is clearly no better way to say this.

Bini and Oyo we know, both children of Oranmiyan.
We dont know Edo. Edo is a roaming people that Yoruba civilized and brought out of forest into township. Before Yoruba came to rule you all your ancestral life was spent in forest. We taught you how to dwell in city.

ImperialYoruba:


Bini and Oyo we know, both children of Oranmiyan.
We dont know Edo. Edo is a roaming people that Yoruba civilized and brought out of forest into township. Before Yoruba came to rule you all your ancestral life was spent in forest. We taught you how to dwell in city.

Who are you to know Edo or Bini,
Do you even know anything,

Benin was the name given to Edo by a particular Oba,I can't really remember I think Eweka from Ile ibinu,
While Edo was renamed by Ewaure the imperial king of the nation who amassed massive territory,

Oga you are soooo delusional for thinking that the Yoruba's civilised the Edos,you so don't know what you are saying OK.

You have not civilized yourself yet you claim to civilize others

Pls don't quote me again its obvious you are looking for who to abuse you. Rubbish.

pankere:
OP you are very wrong. I don't know why you people like to distort history based on your personal sentiments. Let me correct you. In the whole of Yoruba kingdom and history, Owo and ifon were the only Yoruba/ondo towns that was dominated by bini, they paid tribute for years and had emissaries from bini kingdom ruling them and they even assimilated their culture, evidence can be seen from owo festivals and cultures till today. Let me give a few with pictures. The first is igogo festival in owo town. Look at how men are dressed like bini king and cheifs, the second pic is normal owo traditional dancers that you will see in any party or festival in owo till today. You can obviously see the resemblance to bini ways.

I get your point, but not everything was so black and white. People often attribute some uniqueness or peculiarities of Owo to Bini influence, which is very wrong. Owo actually holds a quite unique position. For example, a lot of ignorant people say that the reason Owo dialect is harder to understand is because it's influenced by Bini, but that's not the case. Owo was far removed from the influence of Oyo politically power which allowed it to retain many features of the archaic Yoruba language before it evolved to what we know today.

2. Appearance: Owo traditional dresses and regalia may resemble Bini, but there is more to the pictures you posted.

The olowo is wearing orufanran which is a regalia similar to Bini's, but also different in a lot of ways. Traditonally, Bini's regalia is made of bronze while the orufaran regalia is made from ivory. Owo's ivory art was beloved and imported by the Binis back then. Another definitive difference that you can see in the Bini's regalia is that the Bini king ties a very large wrapper, while Owo's olurafan is comprised of trouser and shirt that's plated.

The Igogo festival like many other Owo festivals like are all UNIQUE to just Owo. It's true that other Yoruba groups don't celebrate them, but the Binis DON'T celebrate them either. Unique festival is not a big deal; Ojude oba is only celebrated in Ijebu Ode too. The chiefs are not dressed like Binis and wearing of white by chiefs is a VERY Yoruba thing. Bini chiefs from what I've seen tie wrapper and don't wear a shirt with it.

As for the dancers, that's not a Bini clothing and it's not necessarily influenced by them either. The ipele worn on the shoulders is a VERY Yoruba way of dressing that's retained in Owo. Bini has no monopoly on tying wrapper. Yoruba women also wear wrapper, the buba and iro style we know of today is a formal Oyo style that became the standard Yoruba mode of dress. In Owo, the formal mode of dress is a wrapper worn with the ipele. Even men in certain parts of Yorubaland wore different wrapper styles.

ImperialYoruba:


Bini and Oyo we know, both children of Oranmiyan.
We dont know Edo. Edo is a roaming people that Yoruba civilized and brought out of forest into township. Before Yoruba came to rule you all your ancestral life was spent in forest. We taught you how to dwell in city.

When the European first visited West Africa over 600 years ago the only place they met and was fit enough to call a city was Benin City, till date there is no any other west Africa town that have the prefix of a city and in the entire ancient Africa there were less than 3 cities and Benin was one of them and the only one in west Africa, the Yoruba where the ones that where uncivilized and forest dwellers.