TV01:


I initiated this discussion - and thanks for responding - with particular themes I wished to explore. However, I find that the discussion is becoming ever more expansive with more questions than answers and increasing adjunct issues, whilst not really touching on the themes as I envisaged. Let me sum up my response to what I believe are your questions;

1. Is there truth outside scripture or the canon - yes, but the gospel truth contains all we need to understand Gods unfolding plan for redemption and salvation in Jesus Christ.

TV01:

2. Is the gospel canon complete - yes, per above

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3. Can we perfectly "rightsize" the scriptures that contain the gospel? - a superfluous question unless it can be evidenced that there are verifiable texts that materially change the gospel as we have it. Or, the gospel can be demonstrated to be somehow incomplete.

TV01:

Now, if you are not gainsaying the above in any way, a bit about your take on "ALL TRUTH"

1. If as you claim The Holy Spirit will lead believers into "ALL TRUTH" as in everything about everything, how is scope applied to that? What living person can take in and comprehend everything about everything? Why would we need to know everything (about everything)? The Holy Spirit is The Helper, what constitute the limits of this help?

TV01:

Your claim a witness to OP, did The Holy Spirit affirm OPs office and calling or simply the writings here? Have you been subsequently led into all truth about the OP or, the extent of the writings here? everything about everything right?

TV01:

2. As to The Holy Spirit giving personal intimations, God is sovereign. Leading, direction, insight etc. can all be given to individuals, but I don't see how that has to be captured as gospel truth or considered canonical?

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3. As to God giving someone a "prophecy or revelation" about Nigeria and it coming to pass, I would have to see evidence of that and understand what the purpose of the prophecy or revelation was.

TV01:

4. To your use of the term "progressive revelation". Again, I do not see what this means in light of scripture. If it is something that directly impacts the gospel as received, I would need to see evidence of this. If it's simply individual intimations or leading, again, that is not for the body and therefore not required to be canonical anyway.

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5. About the undocumented early life of The Lord and the unrecorded signs and miracles. Yes these are truth, but again, please evidence anyone that has been led into these truths by the Holy Spirit, what they are and how, if they, in anyway affect gospel truth. And, if at the individual level, claims of such and how they impacted a personal walk.

TV01:

Regards the framework below. I not sure it's provenance, but I don't see it as a Christian/gospel derived framework. Again, like I said, I will not gainsay your beliefs, but view what is presented in the light of the gospel.

So far example the requirement to be a genius at level 2, a prophet or seer at level 3 amongst other things are simply not scriptural. However, you are free to apply whatever framework you choose. Will you disclose this as not Christian in origin or otherwise corroborate it against scripture?

TV01:

Is there any unwritten and unknown truth that has been revealed to anyone, anywhere that is not simply a personal intimation but a general revelation that would effect the whole or, a very significant part of the body of Christ, or the gospel itself?


Cheers
TV

OkCornel:


Yeah, repeat yourself again and tell us Stephen Dollins never spoke about demons and their operations in that video...

Or tell us you didn't encourage the OP to expose Satan and shame him. Look at the screenshot again and refresh your memory.

"SATAN LIKES TO HIDE AND MAKES SURE HIS PEOPLE HIDES AND WHAT HE DOES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SO, IF IN A CLOSED AND FACELESS FORUM LIKE THIS, YOU STILL HIDE, SATAN STILL HAS GLORY.

EXPOSE SATAN AND HIS WORKS IF YOU ARE REALLY DONE WITH HIM."

Inspirational Quote of the Year: Signed Anas09, 2019.

OkCornel:
Thanks for taking out time for this dialogue

OkCornel:
I am still keen on the parameters regarding this written gospel truth. Is it limited to the writings of the Apostles? Is the gospel truth limited to a set of books. Yes or No. If yes, how many are they? So we can have a defined landmark for what is within/scriptures or canon.

OkCornel:
How many gospels/canons are we talking of here? 66? over 80?

OkCornel:
This is not about getting extra materials that will contradict the gospel. How many canons makes up the scriptures that contain the gospel? If it's not open ended, how do we determine its completeness? How many canons are involved here?

OkCornel:
You cannot know ALL TRUTH in a fixed period of time, albeit in this realm of existence. There is definitely a limit to what you can know by your own capacity. Since you cannot live forever in this realm of existence. The scope of ALL TRUTH however in this regard is not limited to religious beliefs. But all spheres of your life.
Well unless your argument is the Holy Spirit is only useful for scriptural matters, as opposed to all areas of your life. Be it career, spirituality, academics e.t.c.

OkCornel:
All of the above. And if the OP deviates from the path, the same Holy Spirit will bring it to my attention. That brings us to 1 John 2 v 26-27 again.

OkCornel:
Again, that brings us to what ALL TRUTH means. Is it ALL TRUTH...or ALL SCRIPTURAL/GOSPEL TRUTH? . And back to the matter of gospel truth, how many books makes up the gospel TRUTH. I have not gotten your answer on this.

OkCornel:
My question is this. Is the prophecy or revelation any less of a TRUTH since it is not written in the Bible? Is that prophecy/revelation the word of God or the word of man?

OkCornel:
And by something that directly imparts the gospel as received, do you mean...contradicting it? Absolutely not.

OkCornel:
Examples of progressive revelation within the time frame of the scriptures;
(a) Judah's captivity in Babylon was to last for 70 years as God revealed to Jeremiah. However, Daniel got further revelation on the matter to mean 490 years as the timespan.
(b) Prior to John's Revelation on a first and second resurrection, every other place in the scriptures pointed to both the righteous and wicked resurrected and judged on the same day. Nowhere else did we hear of a first and second resurrection.
(c) The era of the Law, then the Judges, then the Prophets...prior to the revelation of the Messiah is a big picture showing progressive revelation of the Truth and man's understanding of God over the ages.

OkCornel:
Coming to know of any progressive revelation or unwritten truth that contradicts the core of the gospel...I don't know of any.

OkCornel:
Again, I do not know of any of those revelations that affects the core gospel truth. Although there are evidences, but those I've known of do not contradict the gospel.

OkCornel:
It is not a "Christian/gospel derived framework" simply because it's not written black and white in the Bible. But that's what it is. Where do Prophets and seers get their revelations of Truth from? The Holy Spirit. Is the Holy Spirit a written document? No. He is the Spirit of God, the source of all truth. Yet, they get their revelations from an unwritten source and pen it down. Just like the case of John's revelation. It was a truth once observable and witnessed by him, before it was written.

OkCornel:
It is a universal framework that the scriptures even derives its origins from. So it's the other way around.

OkCornel:
For clarity, are we talking of a positive effect or adverse effect? Thanks as I await feedback, especially on the number of canons that makes up the gospel.

Anas09:

You make a hell of noise OKcornel. Why not screen grab where I encouraged EnthronedbyGod to go into demonology? You forget I called him out for his ways very early into this thread? Do you remember where I told him he was talking too much about satan than Jesus? What did he tell me? This was very early in this thread.

OKcornel, you have posted my comment, now post what EnthronedbyGod said before I told him to expose all his past cult activities.

You wouldn't even know Stephen Dollin I didn't post him here. The reason I mentioned Stephen to emphasise that, when he was done with his satanism, he confessed everything he did.

I won't call you a slenderer. The evidence is clear.

Until you post my comment which encouraged EnthronedbyGod, and why I made the comment, continue being who you are and be working for your master.

OkCornel:

Anas09, start showing everyone on this thread where I misquoted scriptures.

OkCornel:

I will give you an example of the latest lie you just told on Stephen Dollins in the youtube video you watched. You lied he never taught about demons and their operations abi?

OkCornel:

Please anyone should start by checking the time stamp on the video below from 36 minutes 20 seconds to 39 minutes 10 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvAe19Jn0UU
You see Stephen Dollins giving detailed explanation on how he was admitted to the church of satan, to how he summoned a demon called ashtaroth a high-ranked demon to go attack a born-again believer in Christ that threatened to expose their coven. And how to put a hex on the born-again believer. And how the whole mission failed eventually

OkCornel:

Anas09...stop telling lies.
And for the umpteenth time, tell everyone what Jesus was teaching His disciples in Matthew 17 v 15 -21; Matthew 12 v 43-45; Luke 9 v 49-50.

OkCornel:

Sorry, remind me again...where did Kenneth Hagin get his revelation on operations of evil spirits from? His fantasies?

OkCornel:

See diversion tactics, who is talking about who discovered what? The point here is that you went to watch an ex-satanist's (Stephen Dollins) video exposing the secrets and works of satanism, and encouraged the OP to EXPOSE THE WORKS OF SATAN AND SHAME HIM. The OP did the same thing as Stephen Dollins did...but you later went ahead to attack the OP because your differences with Jesusjnr. It is damn too clear here.

OkCornel:

Anas09, please look at the screenshot below and refresh your memory again. You told the OP to expose Satan and shame him. Abi was it another person that hacked into your account to type that?
And coming to tell us Stephen Dollin didn't tell names of demons and their operations in that 4 hour long video is a blatant lie.

OkCornel:

How low can you sink? Tell me...what's the difference in preaching the Acts of the Apostles, then the Acts of God's Generals that lived outside the Bible times or that of Kenneth Hagin? or is it only in the Bible era God used people?

OkCornel:

Oh, so it's now a thing of shame to preach the testimony of others abi? Or wait...Kenneth Hagin wasn't preaching Jesus? is that your point here? Abi we should also disregard the Acts of the Apostles since that one also spoke on the Apostle's encounters?

OkCornel:

Keep on lying that Stephen Dollins never taught about demons, wizards, witches, the church of satan e.t.c in that video. Keep on lying ehn...

OkCornel:

Oh wait, so the goal post has now shifted to Stephen Dollins never taught about demons to... Stephen Dollins didn't teach about demons like the OP did? Wetin be this abeg

[quote author=OkCornel post=82080807]
Oh my bad... so Kenneth Hagin wasn't preaching the gospel of Jesus? Interesting...

Anas09:



You misquoted or misinterpreted Every verse of scripture where Jesus mentioned demons and satan and said Jesus was teaching about demons. Even when everyone except you and your mentor Jesusjnr, have told you that that is not what the scriptures are saying, you insist. What are you doing if not lying and trying to steal the truth from seekers?


Answer me this, how many names of demons did Stephen give in his video? Did he mention where they are located and their hierarchies?
No, he didn't. All he did was tell people about his past activities, and how to identify the symbols of satan and avoid them.


And how does these entail teaching demonology?

He explained how he naturally could perform magic without understanding how at a very young age. As a result he was popular amongst his peers. He was adopted and didn't know his parents or that they practiced witchcraft until later on in life. He grew up an atheist who didn't believe in God or the existence of demons until he had to write an essay saying there were no witches. In his research, he met real witches who gave him enough reason to believe witches existed. After that he was FORCED into witchcraft by killing his adopted father, and later branched into satanism and he became a high priest.

A girl whose mother was Christian was initiated, and her mother discovered her daughter had been initiated into witchcraft and was going to expsoe them, she reported to Stephen the Head of their Grotto, he summoned a spirit to kill her, but the spirit couldn't. Instead was very terrified and warned him never to send him to a Christian again.

This set Stephen off as the spirit is the strongest he had worked with. In the course of trying to understand why the ordinary, simple Christian terrified the demon that much, he was told my satan to kill himself and go to their heaven. Him and his witch wife agreed but before he did that, he told a Christian Colleague at work what he wanted to do, and that one intervened which let to his being born again in Christ. After that he has been telling people especially parents the dangers of some cartoons their kids watch. He revealed the hidden symbols that Satananists use.

How in all of these did Stephen teach demonology? Did he do what EnthronedbyGod was doing here?

How many demons and their hierarchies did Stephen mention?
Apart from symbols, what other thing did Stephen say?

Again, I won't call you a slenderer, you know yourself.

What are the names of the demons, their locations and how and where they operate did Jesus teach in these verses? Pls give me an answer.
Keep screaming liar everywhere. It won't make me a lair.


And this is scripture to you abi? If you can't preach the Gospel that saves from sin, then get out of the Church.


Lolzzzzz. If You can accuse Jesus of Nazareth of teaching demonology, is it Stephen Dollin you won't accuse?

He was a satanist, he repented and revealed what he did, not what demons do, where they live theirs names and ranks. See the difference?


Can you post what the Op said before I said that?

Now you have Stephen Dollin whom you are erroneously saying he taught demonology, it is the manner in which he totally revealed all HE DID, that conditioned my telling the Op to expose his activities with satan in that same manner. I never told him to teach demonology.
Small wonder why you wont quote where he called me names when I told him to go easy of his demonology. Why not quote that? And that was very early in this thread. Quote that.


Go into all the world's and preach the Good News to all creatures. Is that what you are doing here?


He that is called of God, speaks the word of God.

Go into the worlds and preach saying 'Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand.
Whose servant are you?


Apart from the name of the demon he invoke against the Christian lady, which other demons did Stephen mention?

Did you talk about what that demon do, his rank in the army if satan? Where it's located whether here on earth, in the Marine kingdom or in the second heavens? Did he?
So, if some says, demons are responsible for sickness and diseases on earth, that person has taught about demons yeah?

OkCornel:


I have brought just one example from that video and automatically you've shifted goal post from "Stephen Dollins didn't teach about names and ranks of demons" to "That was the only time he taught about demons"


So the other parts of the video he was giving lectures on witches, wizards, warlocks nko? And how evil spirits are summoned?

If I put that one here, you will shift goal post to something else.

This is quite shameful of you.


Oh well, Jesus must have been wrong to teach Kenneth Hagin on Demons then. And Kenneth Hagin must have been wrong to publish the Triumphant Church as a result of that. Smh.

Feel free to call EnthronedbyGod whatever...since that will soothe your frayed nerves and give you an illusion of purpose.

Anas09:

I repeat Stephen never taught about demons. He only narrated how he got into satanism and showed tge symbols used by the Church of Satan.

How many names of demons did he mention?

OkCornel:


I have brought just one example from that video and automatically you've shifted goal post from "Stephen Dollins didn't teach about names and ranks of demons" to "That was the only time he taught about demons"


So the other parts of the video he was giving lectures on witches, wizards, warlocks nko? And how evil spirits are summoned?

If I put that one here, you will shift goal post to something else.

This is quite shameful of you.


Oh well, Jesus must have been wrong to teach Kenneth Hagin on Demons then. And Kenneth Hagin must have been wrong to publish the Triumphant Church as a result of that. Smh.

Feel free to call EnthronedbyGod whatever...since that will soothe your frayed nerves and give you an illusion of purpose.

jesusjnr:
Lol!

It's very obvious what she's desperately trying to do, trying to shift focus from her blatant lies.

EnthronedbyGod was a charlatan, now I'm your mentor Lol!

What a shame!

OkCornel:


Apart from invalidating your claims that Stephen Dollins never taught about demons, witches, wizards, warlocks e.t.c. in his video...
It is completely acceptable to be lecturing believers on satanic symbols, images, tarot cards, ouija boards e.t.c as long as it is Stephen Dollins hmmm??
That reminds me, was it not because of "the deep things of Satan" you were castigating the OP in the first place?
What was Stephen Dollins doing by teaching or rather exposing Satanic signs, symbols, images e.t.c. to ignorant believers? hmmm?? He was teaching them about the deep things of God abi?

OkCornel:


Apart from invalidating your claims that Stephen Dollins never taught about demons, witches, wizards, warlocks e.t.c. in his video...
It is completely acceptable to be lecturing believers on satanic symbols, images, tarot cards, ouija boards e.t.c as long as it is Stephen Dollins hmmm??
That reminds me, was it not because of "the deep things of Satan" you were castigating the OP in the first place?
What was Stephen Dollins doing by teaching or rather exposing Satanic signs, symbols, images e.t.c. to ignorant believers? hmmm?? He was teaching them about the deep things of God abi?

OkCornel:


Apart from invalidating your claims that Stephen Dollins never taught about demons, witches, wizards, warlocks e.t.c. in his video...
It is completely acceptable to be lecturing believers on satanic symbols, images, tarot cards, ouija boards e.t.c as long as it is Stephen Dollins hmmm??
That reminds me, was it not because of "the deep things of Satan" you were castigating the OP in the first place?
What was Stephen Dollins doing by teaching or rather exposing Satanic signs, symbols, images e.t.c. to ignorant believers? hmmm?? He was teaching them about the deep things of God abi?

jesusjnr:
If EnthronedbyGod was a fraudster, then you are much worse.

As you can see for yourself, even though he's left, the work still continues.

Btw you have don't have the least idea concerning atheism, if not you'd know that it has absolutely nothing to do with winning arguments but the Spirit of God being with someone.

Anas09:
Everyone who has followed up this thread saw the little altercation him and I almost had because i told him to go easy with his demonology. He called me an agent of satan.
Did you see that I was the first person who called him out by telling him to preach Christ instead of satan in the early pages of this thread? Why aren't you posting that?

Anas09:
Everyone who has followed up this thread saw the little altercation him and I almost had because i told him to go easy with his demonology. He called me an agent of satan.
Did you see that I was the first person who called him out by telling him to preach Christ instead of satan in the early pages of this thread? Why aren't you posting that?

TabletMan:

Winning argument matters alot because you cannot covert an unbeliever without a superior and sound argument. There is a reason why Oyedepo, adeboye, Eneche and their likes don't need fake miracles to convince their followers to believe in them. They are scholars and not just pastors. You cannot twist their brain psychologically because they are learned and this is exactly the same reason why Catholic priesthood take upto 12-16 before you can become a Rev. Fr.... Go and check small ministries and unknown churches that litters our streets being manage by illiterate persons that wakes up in the morning and said 'God called them' and compare them with the men I listed earlier.




As for the bolded.... I can only see useless dragging of who is right and wrong.

jesusjnr:
I can clearly see where you miss the whole point, because you don't even know that the world cannot be truly convinced with what they already have?

It's only what they don't have that can convince them, and that's the Spirit of God. That's why the church that Jesus built with illiterates is yet observed as the model church up til this day.

That's what the church lacks today because the Spirit of God has been replaced with worldly knowledge which the world already has, which is what you're talking about. But the difference is clear because you can't coufound the world with what the world already has.

Hence Jesus telling the church to wait first until the Spirit of God endued them with power, because He knew that they needed something superior to what the world had to be able to convince them. So that's a place the church has gotten it really wrong.

I mean imagine that what the disciples had then was just worldly knowledge, so nothing would distinguish them from those of the world, as they would be arguing endlessly and trying to convince the world with the knowledge the world already has.

But they had a higher power which gave them the ability at the time to do what the world couldn't do, which is to speak in the one language that all men could understand. And you know the result, it saved them a lot of unnecessary arguments with the world, as the world was like "Wow! we don't have that"! Can you give us some? {Acts 2:5-12}

So that is not just winning arguments, but killing any possible arguments, hence the need for the Holy Spirit.

As per the bolded, it shows the thread lives on................

OkCornel:


Needless emotional outbursts.

You outrightly lied the ex-satanist Stephen Dollins never called names of Demons and their operations in his video. You were busted for that lie.

Now take a look at these two screenshots below and see you contradicting yourself.

Screenshot 1: You encouraging the OP to expose Satan and his works

Screenshot 2: Same you saying something opposite, and on top of that...lying on Stephen Dollins.

Why the lies Anas09? Why?

CodeTemplar:
When you guys were arguing and posting long repetitive stuff, I knew what you were up to then.
Why not start a new thread for all these derailing talks and let folks who have things to say about spiritual angle to cultism post here? why?

jesusjnr:
I can clearly see where you miss the whole point, because you don't even know that the world cannot be truly convinced with what they already have?

It's only what they don't have that can convince them, and that's the Spirit of God. That's why the church that Jesus built with illiterates {Luke 10:21} is yet observed as the model church up til this day.

That's what the church lacks today because the Spirit of God has been replaced with worldly knowledge which the world already has, which is what you're talking about. But the difference is clear because you can't coufound the world with what the world already has.

Hence Jesus telling the church to wait first until the Spirit of God endued them with power, because He knew that they needed something superior to what the world had to be able to convince them. So that's a place the church has gotten it really wrong.

I mean imagine that what the disciples had then was just worldly knowledge, so nothing would distinguish them from those of the world, as they would be arguing endlessly and trying to convince the world with the knowledge the world already has.

But they had a higher power which gave them the ability at the time to do what the world couldn't do, which is to speak in the one language that all men could understand. And you know the result, it saved them a lot of unnecessary arguments with the world, as the world was like "Wow! we don't have that"! Can you give us some? {Acts 2:5-12}

So that is not just winning arguments, but killing any possible arguments, hence the need for the Holy Spirit.

As per the bolded, it shows the thread lives on................

TabletMan:
Ok Bro... You win

solomonbrown64:
....... I followed Charlie's thread on the supernatural which was something similar to this and while I was scared to pieces concerning his travails and what he passed through since childhood because of the gift God gave him, I still learnt a lot from what he had to share. I realized for the first time that there's really nothing like "free will" like we are meant to believe by free thinkers and their lots but rather a choice between two allegiance; that choice is non-negotiable. A man must pick a side. I also learnt about how much powerful the supernatural is above the physical and I have been drawn ever since to the superior plane and I have spent a great deal of time over the years to learn about this side, majorly through the testimonies of those who once served darkness .

..... I listened to Emmanuel Omobajesu's tapes, read Rebecca Brown's books (although I don't approve of her dwelling on the dark only but everyone has their style of writing), Derek Prince, John Echardt and channels on YouTube. These Preachers and former Satanists helped expose the wiles and manipulations of Satan and how we can overcome them; the importance of warfare. Many Christians don't know this and keep struggling with so many things that would have been history if they knew the forces behind these things. According to the late Hagin, a lot of Christians are still Babies and have failed to move up the ladder of growth to maturity. These Christians will struggle with a lot of things and when a teacher tries to explain things to them, instead of listening, these "limited" Christians will argue on the basis of nothing other than pride.

.... I see people like the OP as teachers and areas we do not know, they teach us. But the problem here has always been pride, right from Charlie's thread which is almost non - existent now to this budding thread that has now been killed. Silly arguements nearly killed the first one from the start and it certainly killed this one. Yes, both persons who opened the thread have different gifts; one is a seer/prophet, the other has discernment of spirits but all under the deliverance ministry. It's under this ministry that demons and their works are usually exposed. Preachers like Oyedepo, Copeland will say little on demons because that's not what they were called to preach. Jesus takes a lot of people into the supernatural so that they can see for themselves how the devil and his demons operate for what purpose other than for Christians to guard themselves properly. Jesus loves bringing Satanists out of darkness to expose the workings of Satan. He does this most times by himself and not through Evangelism because he wants these things exposed.

..... Everyone has an opinion which is true but as usual, especially on this forum, it's always nonsense. It's wise to keep quiet and watch rather than claim what you don't know based on knowledge of the letter without the guidance of the Holy Spirit. A lot which has been seen on this thread and many others on this section. Everyone wants to be heard and even when ignored, some persons will still carry on until they are heard. What is that?

...For the first time, I know the repercussions of cultism from the spiritual aspect. I watched a video yesterday about the best universities in the world and their strong affiliation with the dark world where a lot of initiations take place under the guise of fellowships, sororities and co. In our regions, they are cults. The video tallies with what the OP posted here and this revelation was given to the poster in that video by God. A lot of souls are being lost because of ignorance especially to the spiritual aspects of these harmless cults but instead of fellow Christians to learn, they will instead decide to fight and argue of nothing they know based on their limited understanding of the scriptures and experience in the supernatural. It's a shame that another thread based on the supernatural for the advantage of God's people have been killed again by no other than Christians themselves.

.... I will urge the OP to go through Charles thread and watch how similar arguements killed that online ministry. He should learn and know how to pick his "online friends." He must always be guided by the Holy Spirit and not lean on his understanding especially for someone who said he wasn't used to social media. People here on Nairaland have an overrated opinion of themselves online and will do anything to be heard at all costs even to the detriment of disciples they claim they head over. Whenever you decide to come back again OP, be guided by your utterances even when provoked because I see that such remarks can be likened to when an adult is speaking, and a child keeps cutting in and arguing on what he barely knows. It's what I see from your replies but you know it's the social media and everyone has a voice.

.... I know you come here once in a while to read things but don't give up on the ministry God has called you into based on the fierce attacks here especially from fellow Christians. Be strong and rise up again and remember not every one likes it when the shine and focus is taken off them. God was using you in a peculiar way, different from the norms here and some people didn't like it. You have had experiences and revelations that others here crave and desire but God singled a former cultist out for the job to the Glory of his name. Not all are happy about that, don't be fooled by their comments as they are now showing their true colours. But I am sure you have learnt your lessons.

....We must be guided by the Holy Spirit at all times before we go against the workings of God. God bless us all.

solomonbrown64:
....... I followed Charlie's thread on the supernatural which was something similar to this and while I was scared to pieces concerning his travails and what he passed through since childhood because of the gift God gave him, I still learnt a lot from what he had to share. I realized for the first time that there's really nothing like "free will" like we are meant to believe by free thinkers and their lots but rather a choice between two allegiance; that choice is non-negotiable. A man must pick a side. I also learnt about how much powerful the supernatural is above the physical and I have been drawn ever since to the superior plane and I have spent a great deal of time over the years to learn about this side, majorly through the testimonies of those who once served darkness.

..... I listened to Emmanuel Omobajesu's tapes, read Rebecca Brown's books (although I don't approve of her dwelling on the dark only but everyone has their style of writing), Derek Prince, John Echardt and channels on YouTube. These Preachers and former Satanists helped expose the wiles and manipulations of Satan and how we can overcome them; the importance of warfare. Many Christians don't know this and keep struggling with so many things that would have been history if they knew the forces behind these things. According to the late Hagin, a lot of Christians are still Babies and have failed to move up the ladder of growth to maturity. These Christians will struggle with a lot of things and when a teacher tries to explain things to them, instead of listening, these "limited" Christians will argue on the basis of nothing other than pride.

.... I see people like the OP as teachers and areas we do not know, they teach us. But the problem here has always been pride, right from Charlie's thread which is almost non - existent now to this budding thread that has now been killed. Silly arguements nearly killed the first one from the start and it certainly killed this one. Yes, both persons who opened the thread have different gifts; one is a seer/prophet, the other has discernment of spirits but all under the deliverance ministry. It's under this ministry that demons and their works are usually exposed. Preachers like Oyedepo, Copeland will say little on demons because that's not what they were called to preach. Jesus takes a lot of people into the supernatural so that they can see for themselves how the devil and his demons operate for what purpose other than for Christians to guard themselves properly. Jesus loves bringing Satanists out of darkness to expose the workings of Satan. He does this most times by himself and not through Evangelism because he wants these things exposed.

..... Everyone has an opinion which is true but as usual, especially on this forum, it's always nonsense. It's wise to keep quiet and watch rather than claim what you don't know based on knowledge of the letter without the guidance of the Holy Spirit. A lot which has been seen on this thread and many others on this section. Everyone wants to be heard and even when ignored, some persons will still carry on until they are heard. What is that?

...For the first time, I know the repercussions of cultism from the spiritual aspect. I watched a video yesterday about the best universities in the world and their strong affiliation with the dark world where a lot of initiations take place under the guise of fellowships, sororities and co. In our regions, they are cults. The video tallies with what the OP posted here and this revelation was given to the poster in that video by God. A lot of souls are being lost because of ignorance especially to the spiritual aspects of these harmless cults but instead of fellow Christians to learn, they will instead decide to fight and argue of nothing they know based on their limited understanding of the scriptures and experience in the supernatural. It's a shame that another thread based on the supernatural for the advantage of God's people have been killed again by no other than Christians themselves.

.... I will urge the OP to go through Charles thread and watch how similar arguements killed that online ministry. He should learn and know how to pick his "online friends." He must always be guided by the Holy Spirit and not lean on his understanding especially for someone who said he wasn't used to social media. People here on Nairaland have an overrated opinion of themselves online and will do anything to be heard at all costs even to the detriment of disciples they claim they head over. Whenever you decide to come back again OP, be guided by your utterances even when provoked because I see that such remarks can be likened to when an adult is speaking, and a child keeps cutting in and arguing on what he barely knows. It's what I see from your replies but you know it's the social media and everyone has a voice.

.... I know you come here once in a while to read things but don't give up on the ministry God has called you into based on the fierce attacks here especially from fellow Christians. Be strong and rise up again and remember not every one likes it when the shine and focus is taken off them. God was using you in a peculiar way, different from the norms here and some people didn't like it. You have had experiences and revelations that others here crave and desire but God singled a former cultist out for the job to the Glory of his name. Not all are happy about that, don't be fooled by their comments as they are now showing their true colours. But I am sure you have learnt your lessons.

....We must be guided by the Holy Spirit at all times before we go against the workings of God. God bless us all.

CodeTemplar:
When you guys were arguing and posting long repetitive stuff, I knew what you were up to then.
Why not start a new thread for all these derailing talks and let folks who have things to say about spiritual angle to cultism post here? why?

solomonbrown64:
....... I followed Charlie's thread on the supernatural which was something similar to this and while I was scared to pieces concerning his travails and what he passed through since childhood because of the gift God gave him, I still learnt a lot from what he had to share. I realized for the first time that there's really nothing like "free will" like we are meant to believe by free thinkers and their lots but rather a choice between two allegiance; that choice is non-negotiable. A man must pick a side. I also learnt about how much powerful the supernatural is above the physical and I have been drawn ever since to the superior plane and I have spent a great deal of time over the years to learn about this side, majorly through the testimonies of those who once served darkness .

..... I listened to Emmanuel Omobajesu's tapes, read Rebecca Brown's books (although I don't approve of her dwelling on the dark only but everyone has their style of writing), Derek Prince, John Echardt and channels on YouTube. These Preachers and former Satanists helped expose the wiles and manipulations of Satan and how we can overcome them; the importance of warfare. Many Christians don't know this and keep struggling with so many things that would have been history if they knew the forces behind these things. According to the late Hagin, a lot of Christians are still Babies and have failed to move up the ladder of growth to maturity. These Christians will struggle with a lot of things and when a teacher tries to explain things to them, instead of listening, these "limited" Christians will argue on the basis of nothing other than pride.

.... I see people like the OP as teachers and areas we do not know, they teach us. But the problem here has always been pride, right from Charlie's thread which is almost non - existent now to this budding thread that has now been killed. Silly arguements nearly killed the first one from the start and it certainly killed this one. Yes, both persons who opened the thread have different gifts; one is a seer/prophet, the other has discernment of spirits but all under the deliverance ministry. It's under this ministry that demons and their works are usually exposed. Preachers like Oyedepo, Copeland will say little on demons because that's not what they were called to preach. Jesus takes a lot of people into the supernatural so that they can see for themselves how the devil and his demons operate for what purpose other than for Christians to guard themselves properly. Jesus loves bringing Satanists out of darkness to expose the workings of Satan. He does this most times by himself and not through Evangelism because he wants these things exposed.

..... Everyone has an opinion which is true but as usual, especially on this forum, it's always nonsense. It's wise to keep quiet and watch rather than claim what you don't know based on knowledge of the letter without the guidance of the Holy Spirit. A lot which has been seen on this thread and many others on this section. Everyone wants to be heard and even when ignored, some persons will still carry on until they are heard. What is that?

...For the first time, I know the repercussions of cultism from the spiritual aspect. I watched a video yesterday about the best universities in the world and their strong affiliation with the dark world where a lot of initiations take place under the guise of fellowships, sororities and co. In our regions, they are cults. The video tallies with what the OP posted here and this revelation was given to the poster in that video by God. A lot of souls are being lost because of ignorance especially to the spiritual aspects of these harmless cults but instead of fellow Christians to learn, they will instead decide to fight and argue of nothing they know based on their limited understanding of the scriptures and experience in the supernatural. It's a shame that another thread based on the supernatural for the advantage of God's people have been killed again by no other than Christians themselves.

.... I will urge the OP to go through Charles thread and watch how similar arguements killed that online ministry. He should learn and know how to pick his "online friends." He must always be guided by the Holy Spirit and not lean on his understanding especially for someone who said he wasn't used to social media. People here on Nairaland have an overrated opinion of themselves online and will do anything to be heard at all costs even to the detriment of disciples they claim they head over. Whenever you decide to come back again OP, be guided by your utterances even when provoked because I see that such remarks can be likened to when an adult is speaking, and a child keeps cutting in and arguing on what he barely knows. It's what I see from your replies but you know it's the social media and everyone has a voice.

.... I know you come here once in a while to read things but don't give up on the ministry God has called you into based on the fierce attacks here especially from fellow Christians. Be strong and rise up again and remember not every one likes it when the shine and focus is taken off them. God was using you in a peculiar way, different from the norms here and some people didn't like it. You have had experiences and revelations that others here crave and desire but God singled a former cultist out for the job to the Glory of his name. Not all are happy about that, don't be fooled by their comments as they are now showing their true colours. But I am sure you have learnt your lessons.

....We must be guided by the Holy Spirit at all times before we go against the workings of God. God bless us all.

OkCornel:


Apart from invalidating your claims that Stephen Dollins never taught about demons, witches, wizards, warlocks e.t.c. in his video...
It is completely acceptable to be lecturing believers on satanic symbols, images, tarot cards, ouija boards e.t.c as long as it is Stephen Dollins hmmm??
That reminds me, was it not because of "the deep things of Satan" you were castigating the OP in the first place?
What was Stephen Dollins doing by teaching or rather exposing Satanic signs, symbols, images e.t.c. to ignorant believers? hmmm?? He was teaching them about the deep things of God abi?

OkCornel:


Needless emotional outbursts.

You outrightly lied the ex-satanist Stephen Dollins never called names of Demons and their operations in his video. You were busted for that lie.

Now take a look at these two screenshots below and see you contradicting yourself.

Screenshot 1: You encouraging the OP to expose Satan and his works

Screenshot 2: Same you saying something opposite, and on top of that...lying on Stephen Dollins.

Why the lies Anas09? Why?

OkCornel:
Ladies and gentlemen following this thread, please watch the video on Stephen Dollins and tell me what he has done differently from what EnthronedbyGod did here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvAe19Jn0UU

In that video, Christians were given thorough lectures on satanic symbols, signs, tarot cards, ouija boards e.t.c. satanism was exposed in full glare there. I am really baffled Anas09 didn't castigate Dollins for exposing the secrets and "deep things of Satan" but still castigated EnthronedbyGod for exposing the secrets of Satan after initially encouraging him to do so, using the same Stephen Dollins as her case study.

Notice how the goalpost is shifting from "deep things of satan" to how many demons did Stephen Dollins mention...


DOUBLE STANDARDS

Stephen Dollins is teaching people "the deep things of God" but EnthronedbyGod is teaching people "the deep things of Satan"