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Re: The NBA Begins by steady986(m): 9:28pm On Nov 11, 2019
darkelf:


And your team isn't winning anything this season. Talk all you want

Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 9:29pm On Nov 11, 2019
Roland17:


It would be difficult to near impossible to make that case for Siakam, especially when you consider the age difference between both players is just 1. AD is 26 and Siakam is 25, I don’t see AD slowing down: regressing anytime soon except a career altering injury occurs and Siakam would have to work his tails out to catch up with, worth more surpassing. If Siakam was like 5-7 years younger than AD then I may consider your school of thought.

Forget about Siakam catching up with AD. Someone actually said he's better than AD. Duuuude!! Can't even be mad TBH, I don't know why i'm so surprised.
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 9:30pm On Nov 11, 2019
Let me the first person to say it, the Golden State Warriors are winning the 2020 NBA....



Lottery! Sike!!! cheesy cheesy cheesy

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Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 9:30pm On Nov 11, 2019
Let me give this guy the benefit of the doubt, yomi96, please explain yourself. Please tell us how exactly siakam is better than AD.
Re: The NBA Begins by xwolverine: 9:33pm On Nov 11, 2019
VaughnSangrey:
Let me give this guy the benefit of the doubt, yomi96, please explain yourself. Please tell us how exactly siakam is better than AD.

I need to show my colleagues or actually post it on twitter. This shît is funny yo cheesy cheesy
Re: The NBA Begins by yomi96(m): 9:37pm On Nov 11, 2019
xwolverine:



The best time to delete this shît was right after you posted it, the next best time was 5 minutes ago. FOH
fakers are butthurt.haha I love see you guys wail. What a day to be alive

Re: The NBA Begins by xwolverine: 9:37pm On Nov 11, 2019
VaughnSangrey:
Let me the first person to say it, the Golden State Warriors are winning the 2020 NBA....



Lottery! Sike!!! cheesy cheesy cheesy

What if they eventually get beaten by the Knicks grin grin

I’m sure OKC would be wondering “what more do we need to do to Tank”, the regression is shocking, how do you go from back to back chips to being worse than a G league team. At this rate, any team from ice cube’s the Big 3 would actually whoop them, no cap
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 9:39pm On Nov 11, 2019
yomi96:
fakers are butthurt.haha I love see you guys wail. What a day to be alive

Is this the best you can come up with? "Fakers are butthurt"? LOL, Please explain yourself and spare yourself the embarrassment. You are not fooling anyone by trying to be frivolous.
Re: The NBA Begins by xwolverine: 9:40pm On Nov 11, 2019
yomi96:
fakers are butthurt.haha I love see you guys wail. What a day to be alive

Nah, we’re amazed at your level of ignorance, cos this ain’t trolling, it’s embarrassingly bad lol
Re: The NBA Begins by xwolverine: 9:43pm On Nov 11, 2019
darkelf:


And your team isn't winning anything this season. Talk all you want

16 chips grin grin grin

Re: The NBA Begins by yomi96(m): 9:46pm On Nov 11, 2019
xwolverine:


Nah, we’re amazed at your level of ignorance, cos this ain’t trolling, it’s embarrassingly bad lol
ignorance? Guy must you be up tight all the time. They are not on the same level, but spicy p is justifing the new contract he got. And as for his performance yesterday, one could make a case of him being the most improved this year
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 9:51pm On Nov 11, 2019
yomi96:
ignorance? Guy must you be up tight all the time. They are not on the same level, but spicy p is justifing the new contract he got. And as for his performance yesterday, one could make a case of him being the most improved this year

Don't flip flop my dude, you said hes better than AD. I'm waiting for you to tell us how.
Re: The NBA Begins by yomi96(m): 9:56pm On Nov 11, 2019
VaughnSangrey:


Is this the best you can come up with? "Fakers are butthurt"? LOL, Please explain yourself and spare yourself the embarrassment. You are not fooling anyone by trying to be frivolous.
ad unable to do anything for the pelicans is a total waste, shame and disgrace. Remove lebron from the lakers and lets see how the lakers will do with ad. Pascal is not on his level but he has more advantage because of his quickness.
Re: The NBA Begins by yomi96(m): 9:58pm On Nov 11, 2019
VaughnSangrey:


Don't flip flop my dude, you said hes better than AD. I'm waiting for you to tell us how.
e get who flip flop reach you? Abegi go rest
Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 10:04pm On Nov 11, 2019
xwolverine:


He’s actually my favourite player right next to VanVleet, but come on! AD is a glitch, he shouldn’t be as good as he is by human standards.

Pskills is playing in a system that won the chip last season, AD was phenomenal on a shitty Pelicans team who’s next best player was Julius fucking Randle and still he bodied everyone he faced, don’t let his current average performances fool you, he is going to get a hang of it once the team chemistry improves. Plus, AD(26) is just a year older than pskills(25), are you saying he’s going to be as good within a year?

This is the best Pskills has looked and he’s still not matched AD with an average performance. Let’s be factual bruuuuh
You guys are being unnecessarily emotional about this banter. Nobody said he is as good as AD. Not me at least

However if he keeps improving there is no reason to suggest he cannot be in the discussion. This is a guy that has gone from 7pts per game to 17pts per game and thus far averaging 27-9-3. So you mean to tell me if Siakam keeps producing at this rate and can carry Toronto to solid playoff runs (what AD never did btw) that we wouldn't be able to compare both?? I don't buy that!

Already I can argue he is a better 3pt shooter than AD. And can only improve the rest of his game as he gets more polished. We have never seen Siakam hold down an expanded role like this season and thus far there is nothing to suggest he can never be AD level. He is not AD level now but don't tell me he can't be.

He is averaging 27 a game on 49.7% shooting, his EFG is also higher, the numbers don't lie
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 10:05pm On Nov 11, 2019
yomi96:
ad unable to do anything for the pelicans is a total waste, shame and disgrace. Remove lebron from the lakers and lets see how the lakers will do with ad. Pascal is not on his level but he has more advantage because of his quickness.

Wow, great analysis my dude.
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 10:05pm On Nov 11, 2019
What cheesy
Re: The NBA Begins by xwolverine: 10:09pm On Nov 11, 2019
yomi96:
ad unable to do anything for the pelicans is a total waste, shame and disgrace. Remove lebron from the lakers and lets see how the lakers will do with ad. Pascal is not on his level but he has more advantage because of his quickness.

This season is the lowest he’s ever averaged with 26.6pts, 10.2 reb and that’s on a new team, with more than 10 new teammates and less than 10 games into the season.

AD averaged 26pts 11reb 53% fg with the pelicans, what the hell are you saying undecided undecided
Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 10:11pm On Nov 11, 2019
Roland17:


It would be difficult to near impossible to make that case for Siakam, especially when you consider the age difference between both players is just 1. AD is 26 while Siakam is 25. I don’t see AD slowing down or regressing anytime soon except a career altering/ ending injury occurs and Siakam would have to work his tails out to catch up with, worth more surpassing AD. If Siakam was like 5-7 years younger than AD then I may consider your school of thought. AD is an exceptional talent who can surpass the peak he achieved in New Orleans and that is scary.
If we're arguing based on AD's previous body of work then absolutely we all know Siakam as a late Bloomer by default has no hope of reaching that level.

However if you're telling me Siakam cannot keep improving to the level AD is now then I disagree. We cannot argue about who is more naturally gifted, the more athletic player and all but in terms of pure production there is nothing suggesting Siakam cannot get to that level. 3-4 years ago nobody was talking about Giannis as anything remotely resembling an MVP contender but today he is arguably the best player in the league, James Harden was a sixth man in OKC but we saw what he was able to do in an expanded role.

There is nothing that suggests that AD cannot stagnate or that his production will not take a hit by nature of the stacked team he is playing for. I would rather watch the drama play out than put a ceiling on what a player can or cannot do

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Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 10:19pm On Nov 11, 2019
Between 15/16 season and 17/18 season. Giannis went from.

17/7/4 to 27/10/5

I'm sure back then if you suggested Giannis could be as good as AD they would call you crazy
Re: The NBA Begins by yomi96(m): 10:22pm On Nov 11, 2019
A40:
If we're arguing based on AD's previous body of work then absolutely we all know Siakam as a late Bloomer by default has no hope of reaching that level.

However if you're telling me Siakam cannot keep improving to the level AD is now then I disagree. We cannot argue about who is more naturally gifted, the more athletic player and all but in terms of pure production there is nothing suggesting Siakam cannot get to that level. 3-4 years ago nobody was talking about Giannis as anything remotely resembling an MVP contender but today he is arguably the best player in the league, James Harden was a sixth man in OKC but we saw what he was able to do in an expanded role.

There is nothing that suggests that AD cannot stagnate or that his production will not take a hit by nature of the stacked team he is playing for. I would rather watch the drama play out than put a ceiling on what a player can or cannot do
thank you brother. Those guys are just being emotional and too sensitive, for nothing. Make ad win any ring 1st before them talk. As great as chuck is, that no ring is a big arsterik on his resume. Same reason, lebum keep jumping from teams to teams looking to team up with stars.
Re: The NBA Begins by yomi96(m): 10:26pm On Nov 11, 2019
A40:
Between 15/16 season and 17/18 season. Giannis went from.

17/7/4 to 27/10/5

I'm sure back then if you suggested Giannis could be as good as AD they would call you crazy
it was suppose to be a banter, but to be honest, they are just being salty and narrow minded. If you watch that game yesterday, you will have a rethink. He really deserves that contract.
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 10:26pm On Nov 11, 2019
yomi96:
thank you brother. Those guys are just being emotional and too sensitive, for nothing. Make ad win any ring 1st before them talk. As great as chuck is, that no ring is a big arsterik on his resume. Same reason, lebum keep jumping from teams to teams looking to team up with stars.

Mahn shut your mouth. Don't even try to deflect or piggy back off another argument. You got on your gadget, sober and of sane mind and you typed that pascal siakam is a better player than AD. Stop embarrassing yourself. This guy is trying to turn it into a rings argument. By God, if i dont leave this thread now i will suffer another mental breakdown. I'm done for today.

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Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 10:29pm On Nov 11, 2019
You people make me sick.
Re: The NBA Begins by Roland17(m): 10:37pm On Nov 11, 2019
A40:
If we're arguing based on AD's previous body of work then absolutely we all know Siakam as a late Bloomer by default has no hope of reaching that level.

However if you're telling me Siakam cannot keep improving to the level AD is now then I disagree. We cannot argue about who is more naturally gifted, the more athletic player and all but in terms of pure production there is nothing suggesting Siakam cannot get to that level. 3-4 years ago nobody was talking about Giannis as anything remotely resembling an MVP contender but today he is arguably the best player in the league, James Harden was a sixth man in OKC but we saw what he was able to do in an expanded role.

There is nothing that suggests that AD cannot stagnate or that his production will not take a hit by nature of the stacked team he is playing for. I would rather watch the drama play out than put a ceiling on what a player can or cannot do

Baba, you are making my point which I was very specific about. Based on your argument, AD would have to suffer a career changing injury, stagnate, regress significantly for Siakam to stand any chance of catching up to AD worth more surpassing him. And this is in the instance Siakam’s development does not stall either. To me that is an unfair argument against AD because it places him at a disadvantage. If every variable remains constant and based on their respective skill and natural ability, Siakam does not stand any chance. We seem to have forgotten AD suffered serious injuries over the last 2 seasons but has somehow bounced back pretty well. AD is a very very rare talent!

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Re: The NBA Begins by yomi96(m): 10:38pm On Nov 11, 2019
[s]
VaughnSangrey:


Mahn shut your mouth. Don't even try to deflect or piggy back off another argument. You got on your gadget, sober and of sane mind and you typed that pascal siakam is a better player than AD. Stop embarrassing yourself. This guy is trying to turn it into a rings argument. By God, if i dont leave this thread now i will suffer another mental breakdown. I'm done for today.
[/s] gtfoh, and stop wailing in my mentions.
Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 10:49pm On Nov 11, 2019
Roland17:


Baba, you are making my point which I was very specific about. Based on your argument, AD would have to suffer a career changing injury, stagnate, regress significantly for Siakam to stand any chance of catching up to AD worth more surpassing him. And this is in the instance Siakam development does not stall either. To me that is an unfair argument against AD because it places him at a disadvantage. If every variable remains constant and based on their respective skill and natural ability, Siakam does not stand any chance. AD is a very very rare talent!
Both took different paths to get to where they are presently. Siakam is just starting the journey so it is pointless comparing based on historical production

What I am saying is AD joined a better team and so his numbers were likely to suffer a slight dip regardless, which is the price you pay for joining a loaded team. There is a reason AD did not stay in New Orleans, he left so he can improve his legacy on a better team so I don't know how it is a disadvantage. KD did it, even his mentor LeNomad did it. This would not be an excuse

There is nothing about variable or constant. This is about how well they can produce in similar roles and keeping their teams competitive while at it.

If James Harden could go from a 15ppg 6th man to a 35ppg MVP perennial candidate then Siakam can too. This is the koko of what I've been saying

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Re: The NBA Begins by benji93: 10:56pm On Nov 11, 2019
You are missing something here. The comparison is between a player that came in as a phenom and is seemingly not growing by much-you could argue that there isn't much to change, cos he's that good a player-and a player taking a quantum leap from one year to another. This is not limited to basketball. Some professionals reach their peaks early on and just stagnate, while others start slowly and just start leaping after a while. Pascal's growth could definitely stagnate, but if it doesn't he definitely has the potential to reach AD's level. Comparing their ages is not enough an input in this argument. The rate of growth could also be considered a factor in this analysis. Asserting that he is better than AD at this moment is definitely an exaggeration though.
Roland17:


It would be difficult to near impossible to make that case for Siakam, especially when you consider the age difference between both players is just 1. AD is 26 while Siakam is 25. I don’t see AD slowing down or regressing anytime soon except a career altering/ ending injury occurs and Siakam would have to work his tails out to catch up with, worth more surpassing AD. If Siakam was like 5-7 years younger than AD then I may consider your school of thought. AD is an exceptional talent who can surpass the peak he achieved in New Orleans and that is scary.

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Re: The NBA Begins by chic2pimp(m): 11:24pm On Nov 11, 2019
AD is Maddd talented with a huge bag of potential. However Let's be honest with ourselves that is where it all ends as I type today. His Stats so far are not translating into wins for His team.

"Place on Him on the Bucks in place of Giannis they win the Title.
Place Him on Rockets in place Harden, the Rockets would have had one Chip by now.
Place Him on the Nuggets in place of Jokic, they become wayyyyy better
Place Him on GSW, He'd have won 2 chips, 2 FMVPs and one MVP by now.
Place Him on the Raptors in place of Kawhi and they still would have won the title"



Maybe If He had actually buckled down and done some work, He'd have taken His former team to a higher seed in the Western conference. After all the "Less Talented" Jokic Led His injury ravaged team to a 2nd Seed.

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Re: The NBA Begins by steady986(m): 2:56am On Nov 12, 2019
A40:
If we're arguing based on AD's previous body of work then absolutely we all know Siakam as a late Bloomer by default has no hope of reaching that level.

However if you're telling me Siakam cannot keep improving to the level AD is now then I disagree. We cannot argue about who is more naturally gifted, the more athletic player and all but in terms of pure production there is nothing suggesting Siakam cannot get to that level. 3-4 years ago nobody was talking about Giannis as anything remotely resembling an MVP contender but today he is arguably the best player in the league, James Harden was a sixth man in OKC but we saw what he was able to do in an expanded role.

There is nothing that suggests that AD cannot stagnate or that his production will not take a hit by nature of the stacked team he is playing for. I would rather watch the drama play out than put a ceiling on what a player can or cannot do
Lol. In other words, Siakam is likely to improve to AD's level while AD is likely to stagnate for Siakam to catch up with him. Nice analysis bro.
Re: The NBA Begins by steady986(m): 2:59am On Nov 12, 2019
yomi96:
thank you brother. Those guys are just being emotional and too sensitive, for nothing. Make ad win any ring 1st before them talk. As great as chuck is, that no ring is a big arsterik on his resume. Same reason, lebum keep jumping from teams to teams looking to team up with stars.
In other words, AI, Chuck, Malone and the rest are all bums and not HOF because (wait for it) they didn't win a chip.
Re: The NBA Begins by steady986(m): 3:01am On Nov 12, 2019
yomi96:
it was suppose to be a banter, but to be honest, they are just being salty and narrow minded. If you watch that game yesterday, you will have a rethink. He really deserves that contract.
Of course I knew it was a banter, but obviously your guy A40 didn't get the memo

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