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IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by seguntijan(m): 8:16am On Dec 01, 2019
Academic Staff Union of Universities (ASUU) has posed some tough questions to the Federal Government, asking why some federal agencies such as the Federal Inland Revenue Services, Central Bank of Nigeria and the Nigeria Deposit Insurance Corporation are not captured on the Integrated Payroll and Personnel Information System(IPPIS).
ASUU Chairman, University of Abuja branch, Dr. Kassim Umaru, raised the query while puncturing the insistence of the Federal Government that its members must enrol on the platform.
In a statement on Saturday, Umaru dismissed the payment system as a scam and said ASUU members will not join it.
The Office of Accountant-General of the Federation said that data of university workers and colleges of education be captured on the system between Monday November 25 and December 7.
Umaru said the National Executive Council of ASUU had a meeting and directed its members not to enrol, adding that the chapter will comply with the order from the national body.
Umaru argued that the payroll system is totally in violation of university autonomy and does not have any legal backing.
He faulted the government for resorting to threats whenever there was disagreement between the union and government.
Umaru urged the government to come to the table and discuss with the union instead of threatening to stop their salaries.
“As far as we are concerned in the union, we have worked and we must be paid. Eventually, if the government decides to stop our salary then the NEC will reconsider the decision of the government then appropriate action will be taken,”
“There is massive corruption in IPPIS. Did government care to investigate IPPIS itself? We are saying why is CBN not in IPPIS? Why is NDIC not in IPPIS? Why is Federal Inland Revenue not in IPPIS? But the lecturers who are just collecting stipends to be pulled into IPPIS so that our legal entitlement will not be paid.
“We are not going to allow it. We are not going to be part of the staff that are going to be enrolled in IPPIS. We took a resolution and we are reaffirming the direction of the national, that is NEC. NEC took a decision that we are not going to get enrolled into IPPIS and you know what our union is actually against is that the university has an autonomy and if you look at it clearly, this autonomy we are saying is enshrined in Section 2AA of the University Miscellaneous Provision Amendment Act of 2003 which clearly explained the role of the Governing Council.
“Even the Miscellaneous Act we are saying clearly stated that the power of the council shall be exercised as in the law and that status of each university. So it is clear we have an autonomy. Again, university is the peculiar nature of the appointment of university as academics. Our 2009 agreement which was negotiated by the federal government and our union is also there. So many issues are there and that is why our union is saying we should be allowed to produce a template which will have all these series of issues but not to have a center point of payment.”
Aspects not captured by the IPPIS:

As submitted by Abubakar Sabo, ASUU Chair UDUS:
1. Provision for external examination for PhD and MSC students.
2. Provision for the payment of External assessment to which many would not have benefitted from and become professors.
3. Provision for casual staff such as those cleaners and gardeners that keep the university environment clean.
4. Provision for adjunct and part time lecturers who are professionals in their field but could not take full time appointment because they are already working elsewhere.
5. Provision for international experts who would want to come from world recognised universities to come and establish new programs in our universities and share their wealth of experience with us.
6. Provision for post graduate supervision which was completely removed from the platform
The fact of the matter is that the government is saying universities should use their IGR to cater for all these and should this become a reality, universities will be left with no option but to re introduce tuition fees and charge higher fees from the students. Then we will now know that an average Nigerian cannot afford higher education again. That is world bank policy for you. The general idea is to localise our universities and make them unaccessible globally all in the name of a policy for payments of salary.

https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2019/11/30/ASUU-queries-fg-why-are-staff-of-cbn-ndic-firs-not-on-ippis/

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by ANTONINEUTRON(m): 9:15am On Dec 01, 2019
Can someone explain to me why ASUU don't want this IPPIS stuff

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by EasternActivist: 9:22am On Dec 01, 2019
ANTONINEUTRON:
Can someone explain to me why ASUU don't want this IPPIS stuff

Same reason why CBN and some top parastatals ain't in ippis

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by Couzy21(m): 9:27am On Dec 01, 2019
ANTONINEUTRON:
Can someone explain to me why ASUU don't want this IPPIS stuff
Well, it is a bit complicated more than this, but a major reason is that lecturers go on what is called sabbatical for lecturing jobs outside or political appointment, in which they are payed double salaries by the government, IPPIS will control such by stopping their former salary, and nobody likes his means of income to be cut off.

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by seguntijan(m): 9:38am On Dec 01, 2019
Aspects not captured by the IPPIS:
As submitted by Abubakar Sabo, ASUU Chair UDUS:
1. Provision for external examination for PhD and MSC students.
2. Provision for the payment of External assessment to which many would not have benefitted from and become professors.
3. Provision for casual staff such as those cleaners and gardeners that keep the university environment clean.
4. Provision for adjunct and part time lecturers who are professionals in their field but could not take full time appointment because they are already working elsewhere.
5. Provision for international experts who would want to come from world recognised universities to come and establish new programs in our universities and share their wealth of experience with us.
6. Provision for post graduate supervision which was completely removed from the platform
The fact of the matter is that the government is saying universities should use their IGR to cater for all these and should this become a reality, universities will be left with no option but to re introduce tuition fees and charge higher fees from the students. Then we will now know that an average Nigerian cannot afford higher education again. That is world bank policy for you. The general idea is to localise our universities and make them unaccessible globally all in the name of a policy for payments of salary.
https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2019/11/30/ASUU-queries-fg-why-are-staff-of-cbn-ndic-firs-not-on-ippis/

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by Arsenella007(f): 10:16am On Dec 01, 2019
Until universities are able to generate revenue and remit some percentage to the Federal government, then they can have financial autonomy. The government pays and bankrolls everything in the Universities, without getting any monetary returns from the said Universities so the government can dictate and decide what gives.. Simple.. The above mentioned organisations do generate and remit to the government.

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by qwertygeni: 10:34am On Dec 01, 2019
Nigerian government seems not sincere on this IPPIS issue with the selective enrollment of institutions

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by Nwadiuto247: 12:25pm On Dec 01, 2019
Arsenella007:
Until universities are able to generate revenue and remit some percentage to the Federal government, then they can have financial autonomy. The government pays and bankrolls everything in the Universities, without getting any monetary returns from the said Universities so the government can dictate and decide what gives.. Simple.. The above mentioned organisations do generate and remit to the government.
If universities should generate fund like the other ones as you said, it means school fees will rise to 350k per student.


How many parents can afford this?

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by Arsenella007(f): 12:36pm On Dec 01, 2019
Nwadiuto247:

If universities should generate fund like the other ones as you said, it means school fees will rise to 350k per student.


How many parents can afford this?

You are not in the university system so you don't know what you are saying. The universities generate alot of money, I mean millions.. They don't remit nothing to the government, yet the government pays salaries, provides tetfund for research, infrastructure, also research grants that's is not accounted for, etc.. What happens to the school fees, the acceptance fees, the other IGRs? Most universities don't even pay the allowances the are supposed to pay their workers, cut their salaries..

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by ogtavia(m): 2:39pm On Dec 01, 2019
Arsenella007:
Until universities are able to generate revenue and remit some percentage to the Federal government, then they can have financial autonomy. The government pays and bankrolls everything in the Universities, without getting any monetary returns from the said Universities so the government can dictate and decide what gives.. Simple.. The above mentioned organisationis do generate and remit to the government.

CBN generates money how? NDIC how?

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by Arsenella007(f): 3:22pm On Dec 01, 2019
ogtavia:


CBN generates money how? NDIC how?

Ha! Na wah o.. Abeg try and do your research before u ask this kind of questions o.. Both CBN and NDIC does generate and remit money to the Federal government

https://ndic.gov.ng/senate-lauds-ndic-for-regular-remittance-to-consolidated-revenue-fund/

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by HarunaWest(m): 4:38pm On Dec 01, 2019
ogtavia:


CBN generates money how? NDIC how?
They earn money from the Banks ....

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by ogtavia(m): 8:03pm On Dec 01, 2019
Arsenella007:


Ha! Na wah o.. Abeg try and do your research before u ask this kind of questions o.. Both CBN and NDIC does generate and remit money to the Federal government

https://ndic.gov.ng/senate-lauds-ndic-for-regular-remittance-to-consolidated-revenue-fund/

If you say NNPC generates money for the FG, yeah, true, if you say NPA generates money for the FG yeah, true, but the CBN's core mandate doesn't include generating money for the FG rather it manages the FG's funds and the economy. How can it remit money to itself?

NDIC is Nigeria Deposit Insurance Corporation and it's mandate doesnt include making money for the FG.

Of course there are services these agencies provide through which IGR comes in, some of which are remitted to government and the other percentage utilised by these agencies as required. But they do not necessarily make money for the government.

Equating these agencies to the university somehow answers ASUU questions about IPPIS. Universities have internally generated revenues atimes worth billions, some of which are remitted to the government but they are not listed as money making agencies for government. So if the CBN, NDIC are allegedly exempted from IPPIS, why not universities?

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by ogtavia(m): 8:05pm On Dec 01, 2019
Arsenella007:


You are not in the university system so you don't know what you are saying. The universities generate alot of money, I mean millions.. They don't remit nothing to the government, yet the government pays salaries, provides tetfund for research, infrastructure, also research grants that's is not accounted for, etc.. What happens to the school fees, the acceptance fees, the other IGRs? Most universities don't even pay the allowances the are supposed to pay their workers, cut their salaries..

Universities remit money to the government.

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by Arsenella007(f): 8:12pm On Dec 01, 2019
ogtavia:


If you say NNPC generates money for the FG, yeah, true, if you say NPA generates money for the FG yeah, true, but the CBN's core mandate doesn't include generating money for the FG rather it manages the FG's funds and the economy. How can it remit money to itself?

NDIC is Nigeria Deposit Insurance Corporation and it's mandate doesnt include making money for the FG.

Of course there are services these agencies provide through which IGR comes in, some of which are remitted to government and the other percentage utilised by these agencies as required. But they do not necessarily make money for the government.

Equating these agencies to the university somehow answers ASUU questions about IPPIS. Universities have internally generated revenues atimes worth billions, some of which are remitted to the government but they are not listed as money making agencies for government. So if the CBN, NDIC are allegedly exempted from IPPIS, why not universities?

God,na wah.. Simple Google would help. CBN generates money from alot of ways and remits it to the Federation account..or consolidated revenue account. Universities never remit to the government, so don't even say that. Ndic generates and remits.. Please get your facts right before you argue.. I'm tired of answering this over and over

https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/amp/lifestyle/103423/cbn-highest-revenue-generating-agency-accountant-general.html

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by ogtavia(m): 8:14pm On Dec 01, 2019
Arsenella007:


God,na wah.. Simple Google would help. CBN generates money from alot of ways and remits it to the Federation account..or consolidated revenue account. Universities never remit to the government, so don't even say that. Ndic generates and remits.. Please get your facts right before you argue.. I'm tired of answering this over and over

https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/amp/lifestyle/103423/cbn-highest-revenue-generating-agency-accountant-general.html

You are the one who needs to get her facts right...

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by Arsenella007(f): 8:15pm On Dec 01, 2019
ogtavia:


You are the one who needs to get her facts right...

Did u check the links I posted? No.. Go through it first

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by ogtavia(m): 8:21pm On Dec 01, 2019
Arsenella007:


Did u check the links I posted? No.. Go through it first

I did...you kept referencing consolidated operating surplus...so read this and maybe, you will understand what I am saying...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/punchng.com/fg-implements-new-template-for-operating-surplus/amp/

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by edoairways: 8:23pm On Dec 01, 2019
ANTONINEUTRON:
Can someone explain to me why ASUU don't want this IPPIS stuff
If they join be ready for increment in tuition fees

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by edoairways: 8:26pm On Dec 01, 2019
Arsenella007:


You are not in the university system so you don't know what you are saying. The universities generate alot of money, I mean millions.. They don't remit nothing to the government, yet the government pays salaries, provides tetfund for research, infrastructure, also research grants that's is not accounted for, etc.. What happens to the school fees, the acceptance fees, the other IGRs? Most universities don't even pay the allowances the are supposed to pay their workers, cut their salaries..
With the introduction of TSA those aforementioned fees are remitted to the government

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by Arsenella007(f): 8:39pm On Dec 01, 2019
edoairways:

With the introduction of TSA those aforementioned fees are remitted to the government

There is no proof of that sir..

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by Arsenella007(f): 8:41pm On Dec 01, 2019
ogtavia:


I did...you kept referencing consolidated operating surplus...so read this and maybe, you will understand what I saying...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/punchng.com/fg-implements-new-template-for-operating-surplus/amp/

The link doesn't prove anything. I have been able to prove to you that CBN and even NDIC generates revenues and remits to the government. But universities don't..

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by edoairways: 8:43pm On Dec 01, 2019
Arsenella007:


There is no proof of that sir..
Do you work in the university?

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by ogtavia(m): 8:53pm On Dec 01, 2019
Arsenella007:


The link doesn't prove anything. I have been able to prove to you that CBN and even NDIC generates revenues and remits to the government. But universities don't..

Actually it does, but you probably won't see it.... universities remit a certain percentage of their IGR to the government.

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by Arsenella007(f): 9:28pm On Dec 01, 2019
ogtavia:


Actually it does, but you probably won't see it.... universities remit a certain percentage of their IGR to the government.

Not true.. Check all the MDAs that remit to the government, their salaries are quite higher than others. Because the remit a certain percentage and use the remaining as running costs.. They have targets and make sure the meet those financial targets..

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by Arsenella007(f): 9:31pm On Dec 01, 2019
edoairways:

Do you work in the university?
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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by ogtavia(m): 10:00pm On Dec 01, 2019
Arsenella007:


Not true.. Check all the MDAs that remit to the government, their salaries are quite higher than others. Because the remit a certain percentage and use the remaining as running costs.. They have targets and make sure the meet those financial targets..

They do not have targets but atimes are asked to bear certain financial burdens as required by government.

You are beginning to see the light gradually.

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by Wiseandtrue(f): 10:05pm On Dec 01, 2019
ASUU convert the question to a cartoon or save it till the next general election when we will be electing a sensible president!!!

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by seguntijan(m): 10:44pm On Dec 01, 2019
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PROF OLOYEDE ON IPPIS

Earlier, you acknowledged stable academic calendar this year, as there has been no strike. But one is brewing already with the FG/ASUU face off over the Integrated Payment and Personnel Information System (IPPIS). As somebody who has vast experience in the university administration, in what way are you advising the government to handle this matter?


Frankly speaking, my response to this question is not as JAMB Registrar, it is as a Professor from a university and as somebody who had managed the university and who has also been President of Association of African Universities and has a fair view of what goes on in the university all over the world. This is because I served on the governing boards of the Association of Commonwealth Universities as well as International Association of Universities. Besides, I am widely travelled when it comes to university administration. I will caution the Federal Government about IPPIS. The government should be cautious because IPPIS might do more damage to the University system than good. My own position is that we are swinging between one extreme to the other. Prior to 2005, no university got direct allocation from the government; we used to defend our budget with the National Universities Commission (NUC).

It is the NUC that regulates, controls, supervises and monitors everything. Now, because our colleagues felt that NUC was too overbearing, they decided to have direct interface with the National Assembly and the national purse. This is one of the consequences of such complaints about NUC being accused of being overbearing. I believe that if you look at the analysis of government expenditure on universities, prior to 2005 and after 2005, go and compare, there has been lawlessness since 2005 because what you get into the university is no longer a product of what you need, but a product of lobbying and so many dirty things that go along with lobbying. It is no longer regulated. When NUC was regulating, we had parameters, size of the university, age of the university, Science-Arts parameter and the growth rate. Then, there was the University System Annual Review Meeting (USARM) where every Vice-Chancellor accounted for every kobo given to his school to the NUC.
The NUC would harvest this review to serve as basis for its recommendation for budget allocation for all the federal universities. Now, we have dismantled that structure and every university now handles matter individually independent of NUC, which is not even cost effective. If you analyse how much every Vice-Chancellor spends in coming to and from Abuja on the issue of contacting National Assembly or contacting IPPIS, they are not only spending money, they are learning new tricks about corruption. This is because, yes, many people may say universities are corrupt, yet no sane person will assert that the universities are more corrupt than the public service. Civil service is stinking about corruption and the universities are still sane. But by the time we allow the undue and unregulated intermingling, you are going to transfer this poisonous dose into the university system and they are going to be the worse for it as they (universities) have the intellectual capacity to package the corruption. It is something that we need to look into! Many people raised the issue that some Vice-Chancellors were prosecuted. What was the outcome of the prosecutions? I did not find any one of them that was not set free.
The court said that by the rules of the University, they have not done anything wrong. All the noise in the media is when they are being tried. But when the court sets them free, nobody hears about it. There was the case of somebody who was serving President of the AAU (and Vice-Chancellor); you know the impact of the trial of such a person on the nation. We were really shocked and after the man went through all the horror, only for the court to say nothing was found against him after the name of the country and the University was almost permanently damaged. So, what we are saying is that there are in-built mechanisms for addressing the issue of corruption in the university system. Let us activate those mechanisms, let us make sure that NUC is made to play both supervisory and regulatory role on federal universities. They have regulatory roles over all universities but they have both supervisory and regulatory roles on Federal Universities and that is what we are saying they should activate.

Analysis by Prof. Oloyede on IPPIS

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by Onlinealaba(m): 7:11am On Dec 02, 2019
Federal Higher institutions don't generate revenue hit nonetheless not enough reason to exclude the other agencies from the scheme
We sell smart TVs and air conditioners
Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by MobilityExpress: 7:11am On Dec 02, 2019
The Nigerian civil service is a cancer to national development. 90% of them are all about bribe and corruption, and building government services delivery systems to accommodate bribery and corruption

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Re: IPPIS: ASUU Asks FG Why Staff Of CBN, NDIC, FIRS Are Not On The Payment System by MANNABBQGRILLS: 7:11am On Dec 02, 2019
Na criminals full dis ASUU sha.

Whether you guys like it or not, y'all will be captured on IPPIS.

A new and transparent Nigeria is what we voted for.
No more business as usual .

God bless Nigeria.

edoairways:
Have you considered their argument?
A case of, we are not the only thieves, those ones are thieves also.

This is what you considered an arguement Mr Edo.
No wonder!
SMH!!
Going further to reply you will be consider a waste of time,
No offense.
Take care!

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