ezenwajosh:
I can tell you that 99% of people here don't understand what you're saying

I see them saying its people that propose those borders THATS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW THEIR LEVEL OF REAOSNING

YOU AND I KNOW WHY THOSE BOARDERS WHERE MADE SO JUST LIKE YOU POINTED OUT THERE

THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT AS FAR AS NIGERIA IS CONCERN

BRITIAN DID THEIR WORK ON US PERFECTLY

JUST LIKE I SAID A TYPICAL NIGERIAN IS NOT BRAIN MATURED ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND YOU IT DOESN'T MATTER HIS AGE....WHAT YOU POINTED OUT IS BEYOND HIS REASONING

HE'S NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO COMPREHEND IT....SO HE WILL JUST REPLY ANYTHING EVEN INSULT YOU


BRITTS AFTER EXPERIMENTING WITH NIGERIA WENT FURTHER TO EXPERIMENT OUR TRIBE

IT WAS POSSIBLE WITH OUR FOREFATHERS BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT THAT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH....BUT THESE GENERATION I CAN ASSURE WE CAN FIGHT THEM HEAD ON WHEN THE TIME COMES

They actually understood everything I was saying. They were just pretending not to. It really struck a nerve. But their reactions is what I have come to expect of Nigerians which is extreme denialism. It is who they are.

wirinet:

It's not threat nor ego strokes. Try and take one inch of Ikwerre land from rivers state and you will see the red eye of Ikwerre people like Wike and Amaechi. I am sure this will unite wike and Amaechi.


No one gives away lands acquired through purchase or war easily, without a fight. Fights over lands can last decades or even millenia.


Give instances where igbo people have proven themselves by how many wars they had won


You mean you can take on the two majority groups and the minorities as well?

This why people say you guys like empty chest beating. The south east is not in a position to fight the whole country. Your territory is too tiny, too congested and too isolated. You lack natural defenses like mountains and swamps.


You are now talking. It's through economic, educational and technological domination that the igbos can impose themselves on Nigeria and not through all these gra gra.

I see what you did there. You are hoping on the whole country to team up and fight igbos just like it did during the civil war.

But if you read my response to that imposter, you will notice it was what a minority group would do to the igbos by themselves.

By the way the igbos have faced almost the whole country in the past and the war lasted 3 years.

Don’t get too delusional to the point of forgetting history.

Igbos won’t start a fight with anyone but of it comes to us, we are not scared of it.

Grgton:
taking from people and giving to another is not in my assumption, looking at the map it doesn't clearly explain the meaning of geography, it was drawn out of political sentiments..... tell your self the truth, you r a literate go chk on other country's map then make a comparison with Nigeria's.

That map was a revenge and nonsensical map. This is why Nigeria will always continue to struggle to make progress. It’s just so much historical injustice every you look at.

horsepower102:
I have been exploring google maps and i cannot come to terms with the state lines drawn around the south east.

The state line between:

Imo state and rivers state doesn’t make sense.

Abia state and rivers state doesn’t make sense.

Ebonyi state and cross river state doesn’t make sense

Arochukwu areas of Abia state and cross river state and Akwa ibom is very questionable.

Anambra north and kogi doesn’t make sense

Enugu and Ebonyi northern areas doesn’t make any sense.

Whomever drew those map after the civil war and during state creation really really really hated igbos and wanted to desperately limit their geography in the future Nigeria. This is why you have igbos clans forcefully carved into neighboring states. This is injustice and pure wickedness

I urge everyone to study those boundaries on google map and tell me if those lines make any sense.

My brother what do you expect when there was no Igboman present to represent Igbo nation interest during state creation and moreover,state creation was an anti Igbo policy from Gowon led military government.

Blue3k:
Are you guys going to do anything about it? If this is just a pity party that's fine. Maybe you guys realize the SS states dont care about your feeling on the matter. Lol it would be funny to see any state reject these votes then especially if they supposedly want succession.

You guys should look up and copy Greater Idaho movement. Oregon residents are trying to secede and join Idaho. They got an Initiative on the ballot.

ezenwajosh
Grgton
Amitez
eagleu
Duru1
horsepower102

OK have you examined the map, state line between both states?? Idaho and Oregon. then come bkk compare it with the mediocrity we call map here.. if Oregon wanna join Idaho it's fine, here m talking about clear geography not ethnics and political nonsense we call map, which is not even justifiable. the map is just bias. well for now nothing can be done, but in future maybe not in this generation, something definitely will be done about it.

Ojiofor:


My brother what do you expect when there was no Igboman present to represent Igbo nation interest during state creation and moreover,state creation was an anti Igbo policy from Gowon led military government.

Funny, I don't see Yorubas complaining that gowon was anti Yoruba when he gave Edo and Delta Midwest regions, why would you now say he is anti Igbo by listening to the minorities and giving them old Rivers State and old cross river State, the only argument you can have there is that some Igbo villages were carved out of the South East without due consultation of those people, unless you're saying it's anti Igbo because he separated the ibibios,ijaws,efiks,annangs,ogonis etc from you guys to give them a sense of representation, and this state creation was done before ojukwu even declared Biafra.

Grgton:
OK have you examined the map, state line between both states?? Idaho and Oregon. then come bkk compare it with the mediocrity we call map here.. if Oregon wanna join Idaho it's fine, here am talking about clear geography not ethnics and political nonsense we call map, which is not even justifiable. the map is just bias. well for now nothing can be done, but in future maybe not in this generation, something definitely will be done about it.

Lol all you guys do is whine and say platitudes. Hopefully the next generation will do something to resolve their issues instead just blowing hot air. You guy clearly wont get anything done.

You're talking about geography being sole factor of determining state boundries when its not. It clearly wasn't in the united states. None the history you guys mention matters if the people dont care to be governed by SE states again.

Which parts of Cross River do you have Igbo?

Grgton:
taking from people and giving to another is not in my assumption, looking at the map it doesn't clearly explain the meaning of geography, it was drawn out of political sentiments..... tell your self the truth, you r a literate go chk on other country's map then make a comparison with Nigeria's.

i think only america was planned and drawn....
the rest of the world was through conflicts....

justtoodark:


i think only america was planned and drawn....
the rest of the world was through conflicts....

No you don't think cuz its not true

This write up is total poo;
.Imagine someone saying obi local government in Benue is IBO that are the indegenous
people there

FYI: most boundaries are well and carefully made but you need to put into cognisance some land marks why some states aren't where they should be;
1.Asaba ideally should be in anambra state but the water
2.Kwara south and central and kogi west should normally be in the south west but geographical they are in the middle belt
3.Oron nation are ideally supposed to be in cross rivers state but because of the water that separates them
**...fyi, not all igboid sound like names are Igbo's
Ikot okoro
Nwaniba
etc

justtoodark:


i think only america was planned and drawn....
the rest of the world was through conflicts....

The US that was created from the violent extermination of the native Indians, a blood war to gain independence from Britain and a more bloody civil war to remain one, is one you said was planned and not through conflict?

All present day countries except a very insignificant few small states were formed through conflicts.

Amitez:


Why are you guys not proud of your Berom origin? Fulanis are roasting your people and taking your land but you are more concerned about Niger Delta and Igbos. Why

Hahahaha the imposter didn't see this coming.

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otuekong1:
This write up is total poo;
.Imagine someone saying obi local government in Benue is IBO that are the indegenous
people there

FYI: most boundaries are well and carefully made but you need to put into cognisance some land marks why some states aren't where they should be;
1.Asaba ideally should be in anambra state but the water
2.Kwara south and central and kogi west should normally be in the south west but geographical they are in the middle belt
3.Oron nation are ideally supposed to be in cross rivers state but because of the water that separates them
**...fyi, not all igboid sound like names are Igbo's
Ikot okoro
Nwaniba
etc

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Yorubasaredogs:
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The problem with you and your likes is that,you think speaking English or going to school means educated,my friend try to listen and read facts no half baked.info always been carried out by your own liked media houses

Ebenezer2021:
another low life ipob who fears his 5% tribe might disintegrate and go into extinction hence the reason to always get SS states involved in his stupidity

If igbo is 5% tribe, then your tribe is what?
Can your father sit at the table with the average igbo men?
Do you even have business sense like the average igbo woman?

Imagine talking down to a tribe that can buy n sell your people with no hesitation.

If igbo truly didn't matter, you people wouldn't be fuming so much on nairaland with igbo matter

horsepower102:


Yes I get your point. We lost a war so it right that our people and land are divided as a war booty. I get what you are trying to say.

But you think after all that wickedness from my supposed fellow country men, in addition to defending the injustices against my people, I should still love the country?

Only a mad person will do that.


In reality the south east was made to be a small geopolitical zone after carving out parts of it and adding it to other states.

I am bringing up the injustice and all you can say is you lost a war. You think Nigeria will ever
make progress with such attitude?

You have false information's bro
1.Have you ever visited the border between arochukwu and INI local government area
**the aro side speaks pure Igbo while the INI side speaks pure Ibibio but they both understands each others language(trading)
The boundary commission people did a perfect job there cause they considered landmarks,ethnicity etc

wirinet:

The US that was created from the violent extermination of the native Indians, a blood war to gain independence from Britain and a more bloody civil war to remain one, is one you said was planned and not through conflict?

All present day countries except a very insignificant few small states were formed through conflicts.

duhh....after they killed all native Indians that were in the way....duhh....
you think if they had allowed the natives to stay in their lands,the map would look that way....??

horsepower102:


I see what you did there. You are hoping on the whole country to team up and fight igbos just like it did during the civil war.

But if you read my response to that imposter, you will notice it was what a minority group would do to the igbos by themselves.

By the way the igbos have faced almost the whole country in the past and the war lasted 3 years.

Don’t get too delusional to the point of forgetting history.

Igbos won’t start a fight with anyone but of it comes to us, we are not scared of it.

Are you aware that the Scotts wants to leave the UK ?
The ikwerres bear Igbo sounds like name but their language is different from the central igbo

Ikinternational:


If igbo is 5% tribe, then your tribe is what?
Can your father sit at the table with the average igbo men?
Do you even have business sense like the average igbo woman?

Imagine talking down to a tribe that can buy n sell your people with no hesitation.

If igbo truly didn't matter, you people wouldn't be fuming so much on nairaland with igbo matter

this is exactly the attitude that doesnt make you igbos look sympatic to others....
you know igbos are not a 5% tribe,so why get this angry and say stuffs like that....??

5% is about votes that can be gotten from people you dont like....

Ikinternational:


If igbo is 5% tribe, then your tribe is what?
Can your father sit at the table with the average igbo men?
Do you even have business sense like the average igbo woman?

Imagine talking down to a tribe that can buy n sell your people with no hesitation.

If igbo truly didn't matter, you people wouldn't be fuming so much on nairaland with igbo matter

The average Ibo man is no better than the average Nigerian and in many cases is a lot worse.

Stop deceiving yourselves

0m0nnakoda:

The average Ibo man is no better than the average Nigerian and in many cases is a lot worse.

Stop deceiving yourselves

You have time for those charlatans. The delusions of grandeur in his tone is megalomania on overdose. The talk below is why Igbos are hated passionately. They respect no one and have disdain, based on absolutely nothing, for everyone. Left to me, I would be happy for them to leave and gain their Biafra because life is difficult enough without having to contend with 'enemies within' such as the Igbos are to Nigeria. It would actually be pleasurable to watch such a self-delusional, rude, ungracious and disrespectful people fail publicly in the chaos Biafra would be if it were to exist.

Can your father sit at the table with the average igbo men?
Do you even have business sense like the average igbo woman?

Imagine talking down to a tribe that can buy n sell your people with no hesitation.

Ikinternational:


If igbo is 5% tribe, then your tribe is what?
Can your father sit at the table with the average igbo men?
Do you even have business sense like the average igbo woman?

Imagine talking down to a tribe that can buy n sell your people with no hesitation.

If igbo truly didn't matter, you people wouldn't be fuming so much on nairaland with igbo matter

Lol. Do you guys do reality at all? I personally think there is a madness mutation allele in the genes of most Igbos. If not read your stupid talk again and tell us what it is based on in Nigeria on the ground or even beyond our border.

Blackking98:

Funny, I don't see Yorubas complaining that gowon was anti Yoruba when he gave Edo and Delta Midwest regions, why would you now say he is anti Igbo by listening to the minorities and giving them old Rivers State and old cross river State, the only argument you can have there is that some Igbo villages were carved out of the South East without due consultation of those people, unless you're saying it's anti Igbo because he separated the ibibios,ijaws,efiks,annangs,ogonis etc from you guys to give them a sense of representation, and this state creation was done before ojukwu even declared Biafra.

Gowon did not create Midwest region rather it came through referendum during the first republic,the people decided in a referendum to have their own separate region from western region while Igbo territories was divided into states without due consultations and was done in way it will not favour us by splitting many communities into non Igbo states.You get it now?

justtoodark:


this is exactly the attitude that doesnt make you igbos look sympatic to others....
you know igbos are not a 5% tribe,so why get this angry and say stuffs like that....??

5% is about votes that can be gotten from people you dont like....

This is why they are universally reviled. Nothing at all special about them yet they go around with their megalomaniac heads in the cloud. They just look pathetic because the reality we can all see is vastly at odds with claims Igbos make. Right now, for example, their political leaders are the most indolent and worthless in Nigeria. If leaders are culled from the people they represent, what does this tell us about Igbos given those they parade as leaders?

horsepower102:
This thread is not an attack on anyone on this forum. None of you here created the states. So before you attack me, ask yourself if what I am saying is true or false or if you attacking me out of blind hatred.

It is funny you claim this thread is not an attack on anyone yet you claim others are unfair to Igbos out of hatred for them. How is this not an attack on other Nigerians? You should do more research before going public with paranoid suspicion alone.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Atlas_of_Nigeria#History_maps

Amitez:


Why are you guys not proud of your Berom origin? Fulanis are roasting your people and taking your land but you are more concerned about Niger Delta and Igbos. Why

Yes, so what? I am Berom from my mother side. But my father is Iteshekiri, so tell me am I a Niger Deltan? Do I have a say on Niger Delta issues? U na no sabi anything. So many Igbos are so confused thinking Nigeria is black or white. You will never grasp the nuances of this country until you stop your bigotry.

Well, there was a clear design by mammar Nasir boundary commission in 1976 to strike the then East Central state of any access to water bodies leading directly to sea and of any territories with crude oil in them.
That's how Obigbo,Ogba, Ahoada, Ikwerre, Ndoni, all ended up in Rivers state.

Problem is that those Igboid groups in Rivers state are now even more Igbo hating than other Nigerians.

So OP I would say you should stop worrying about spilled milk and move on. Look on the bright side, Imo and Anambra sit on humongous natural gas fields, yet to be tapped,and we know that natural gas and not crude oil, is the future. We have the best of Igbo clans in SE and with them, we can still be world beaters if we look inwards and work on ourselves.
There are native German speaking clans in Italy, Austria, Lichtenstein, Switzerland, Poland, etc.
Yet the Germans in Germany don't need them to be great, they only needed to heal the Unity between East and West Germany to become great again.

Having said that, I think we should definitely be interested in bringing the Igbos in Benue back, since those ones still long for our unity, and we should work more to obliterate the crack in Igbo unity created by state divisions.
We should stop talking down on Igbo clans perceived to be lacking in development in SE, we should be our brothers keepers, we should all see all parts of SE as our hometown and all fellow SEners as brothers and sisters. No more denigration and insults. Let's pull funds together and get the SE development plan done and dusted.

Udo Dili anyi Nile.

SE designed to divide and subjugate the people....

justtoodark:


look....
let me try to explain as nice as possible....

you lost the war,right....??
what do you think happens to people that loose wars....??
everybody rushed your properties and areas....!!

i know what you are trying to say and those maps realy dont make sense....but its how it is....
south south people will not give you any areas back,if this is what this discussion is all about....

It was no Victor and No Vanquished!

Stop twisting fact and supporting injustice!

What the hell is Igboid?

Heads that are only partially flat?

Your head is either flat or it is not

Ebenezer2021:
another low life ipob who fears his 5% tribe might disintegrate and go into extinction hence the reason to always get SS states involved in his stupidity

You're a zombie