Maximus69:
[s]Don't worry neighbour, keep waiting for response from FOLYKAZE.
Perhaps he's now under quarantine, i'm sure he will surely prove negative to Covid19, then he'll have your time.
Until then, have faith your brother will respond to your call for discussion/ debate/ argument.[/s]
Maximus69 is NOT interested!

MuttleyLaff:
Why should nosey parker, cant-keep-a-promise, mister no-integrity, lazy as foxtrot, uniform, charlie, kilo indisciplined Maximus69 ever in the first place, be interested. Did I extend an invite to you? Trust you to always poke-nose into businesses not invited or called to. Smh smello.

Maximus69:
Sorry Sir!

MuttleyLaff:
Sorry, I am not sorry, to let you know, that your sorry, dont mean anything to me. Promises means everything, but after they are broken, sorry means nothing, and especially when sorry is coming from the direction of an indisciplined person like yourself. Sorry Sir, my foot.

Yeah, go on, go ahead, keep on laughing yourself silly, as if, just like a loser. I am very wary of anyone, whose actions, dont match their words, such is just an untrustworthy person. Smh.

Maximus69:
Please Sir i'm begging on bended knee!

MuttleyLaff:
This guy doesnt miss a trick, at all, sha, ah!. Now he has dipped his hands in his bag of tricks, and now pulled out, this hollow wailing crocodile tears trick. Na wa ooo. Smh.

Never believe people who cry to justify the reason for breaking their promise. They shed fakes tears, just like our own Oscar performance resident actor Maximus69 has just attempted here. Bossman Staff Major TATIME would give Maximus69 a standing ovation and recommend him for recognition and/or decoration.

MuttleyLaff:
Ah-ah wetin nah. I had to dig this thread up from 4 pages away from front page. Kilo de?

Anyway, my much loving brother FOLY, I couldnt help but notice that you used "Christian faith" and not "Christian religion" in the topic heading. Why? Is there, to your understanding, a distinction and difference ni between faith and religion, lol? Please advise, and would appreciate you with illustration and/or example of what each is. Thank you.

Maximus69:


Do you think he is after fake believers like you?

Come on, the spirit navigating his brains know exactly his target!

I bet you if he will discuss/argue/debate with you at all unless he just feel like getting back at Maximus69 (one of the main targets who has stylishly quenched the burning missile of his father) Isaiah 54:17 compare to Ephesians 6:16

So i'm glad to tell you that your so called "brother" don't have your time!

Maximus69:


Don't worry neighbour, keep waiting for response from FOLY.

Perhaps he's now under quarantine, i'm sure he will surely prove negative to Covid19, then he'll have your time.

Until then, have faith your brother will respond to your call for discussion/ debate/ argument. Maximus69 is NOT interested!

Maximus69:
Wetin nah, person no fit make mistake for where you dey?

Maximus69:
I say sorry, no vex!

FOLYKAZE:
Faith and religion can be used interchangeably but I chose the word 'faith' instead because it captured comprehensively the believe system of people who adhere to Jesus teachings.

FOLYKAZE:
With 'religion', many would see demarcations, doctrines and divides.

FOLYKAZE:
Much of the JW for example dont see themselves as Christians whom they believe have been corrupted with paganism.

FOLYKAZE:
Bahai faith adopted some of the gospel but do not recognize themselves as Christians. We also have some Gnostic who do not recognize themselves as Christians, ruled out divinity of Christ, miracles and supernatural attributes; they however, embrace the philosophical teaching of Jesus as man. I think people would generally accept the uniformity of 'Christian faith' than carved out religion system which divide them

FOLYKAZE:


Good example of a Christian. Keep it up

Maximus69:
OP you're welcome Sir!

Glory be to anything you believe as you've been protected from KÒLÓDÍÁ DRIVE US!
All Nigerian wealth men traveling to and fro have been driven back to Nigeria by KÒRÓ, no wonder the name of the disease is KÒLÓDÍÁ DRIVE US!

So you have your beloved brother in the Lord, you can resume discussing/debating/arguing with him!
Once again you're welcome Sir!

MuttleyLaff:

I am sure, you'll agree and accept with me that, sports like, ice hockey, football, soccer etcetera is a religion. Fashion is a religion, atheism is a religion, Christianity, Islam. Altruism, lol, is religion. Even altheism, believe it or not, is a religion, lol.

FOLYKAZE:


Sorry to disappoint, I have all the time in the world to respond to posts from Muttley

Maximus69:
Ó mà se o!
So the discussion is not even coming unlike when it's you and Maximus69!

Since 1pm no further discussion except a response out of shame and frustration when Maximus commented!

I thought you and your brother wanted to resume discussion nah, abi Covid19 did not affect your own job?

Everybody is at home now on compulsory leave due to Covid19 yet your thread is so silent!

Well i've told your brother, there is nothing to discuss when Maximus69 is not interested!

MuttleyLaff:
What is the name of the faith you believe in and/or what is it called, this belief system, you buy/have bought into?

I am asking just this one, simple easy, straightforward and direct question, so the smoke preceding the fire wont be too distracting, choking and in anyway blurring to want to block your vision to see clearly. I am also asking, as I, if I can help it, dont like making assumptions, so why l like to get this info from the horse's mouth.

MuttleyLaff:
I am sure, you'll agree and accept with me that, sports like, ice hockey, football, soccer etcetera is a religion. Fashion is a religion, atheism is a religion, Christianity, Islam. Altruism, lol, is religion. Even altheism, believe it or not, is a religion, lol.

MuttleyLaff:
Aside Christians and/or Christianity being augmented with paganism's rituals, practices and/or tradition, would you really blame JW for not seeing themselves as Christians, hmm FOLY?

MuttleyLaff:
FOLY, my guy, quickly scan through the Bible and return back to tell if you will find anywhere in it that mentions Christianity a religion and/or by that name.

The whole idea of pigeonholing belief systems into specific, named groups called "religions" is a relatively modern novel concept, nah.

One of the major philosophical teaching of Jesus, in His capacity as man and divinity, is about one body, ekklesia, called out. The ruling civilization of that time period were the Greeks and normally "Ekklesia" is the assembly of free citizens, to which belonged judicial and legislative power, and from which aliens, slaves and the likes were excluded, but here is Jesus, turning this whole political concept on its head, lol, and now talking about having a gathering of citizens (i.e. any member of the demos/ all people) no discrimination, no prejudices, no sexism etcetera called out from their homes into public space and to partake, deliberate, legislate and be fully inclusive in the sovereign governing body's services, expectations and/or requirement. Praise God. Alleluia.

The point, I am making FOLY, is God is Christianity atheistic, Christian atheistic and even Christian denomination(s) atheistic, lol, He believes in plain and simple "Ekklesia," His body, lol. Believes in nothing else than His Bride.

Maximus69:


Ó mà se o!

So the discussion is not even coming unlike when it's you and Maximus69!

Since 1pm no further discussion except a response out of shame and frustration when Maximus commented!

I thought you and your brother wanted to resume discussion nah, abi Covid19 did not affect your own job?

Everybody is at home now on compulsory leave due to Covid19 yet your thread is so silent!

Well i've told your brother, there is nothing to discuss when Maximus69 is not interested!

budaatum:

You mistake "church" for the people who run some of them. Same way most judge God by God worshippers. And you are a literalist. And you think "believe" is the only possible way to reason and understand.

budaatum:
It was the same "church" that built most of the early schools and taught people to consume data. And those who actually read their Bibles realise that each book is an update on the previous book, and the understanding of God evolves from book to book.

budaatum:
It is a lesson of the Bible to evolve. Its a lesson of the universe even. Even God did, into Jesus, and eventually into what many call the Holy Spirit. And the hope you call false is that things will get better for you if you accept "Christ" the Word into your life, which in evolved language means, 'if you learn', though literalist you would likely miss that point though you know it to be true. But its a very slow and often missed process that happens over generations. Your forefathers would be amazed at how far we have come.

budaatum:

That was the understanding according to Joshua. We evolved into Galileo. Who was treated like we treated Christ who also taught advanced knowledge like Galileo taught and who was also killed.

Plato rightly described this, human attitude to newness, in his cave allegory, but it seems we have not quite yet caught up to understand, and instead of blaming ourselves for our ignorance and slowness in the evolution of our understanding, you blame "church" and Joshua.

FOLYKAZE:


You see yourself as a Sun with the planets revolving around you. You ain't that important.

If you noticed, the thread have been technically laid to rest. The points I need have been buttressed and I have long moved on with something important. Family, friends and business needs much of my attention. I will have to paddle and roll my boat faster with the tumbling coronavirus and dwindling economy itch.

Unless maybe important, you ain't getting respond from me again.

MuttleyLaff:
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Ase. Smello. Yẹyẹ still dey smell

Maximus69:


Never mind Sir!

You're already getting along very well with your BROTHER!

People use insecticides to remove pests in their homes, because these are unwanted agents. After the pests are gone, the next thing is a pleasant aroma and welcoming atmosphere to accommodate friends and families (wanted agents).

So you've got your brothers and sister all to yourself now!

Maximus69:
Just feel like seeing how it's going without Maximus69, and it's obvious you don't have any serious customer to buy price your market so you've remained silent!

Don't just keep quiet my friend, keep on the discuss / debate / arguments with your family and friends, if you know that without Maximus69 your thread can be interesting!

Maximus69:
Never mind Sir!

You're already getting along very well with your BROTHER!

People use insecticides to remove pests in their homes, because these are unwanted agents. After the pests are gone, the next thing is a pleasant aroma and welcoming atmosphere to accommodate friends and families (wanted agents).

So you've got your brothers and sister all to yourself now!

TATIME:
Glory be to the most high God!

How i wish i'm in your shoes right now bro Maximus!

MuttleyLaff's moving image displayed actually mean that you 'Maximus' is a PEST in their gathering. You were right after all, he truly is their brother and they're just partially against one another. The spirit navigating their minds knows who is not part of them.

Exactly what the Jewish prosecutor accusing Apostle Paul before the Roman authority said that faithful day! Act 24:5

I'm really proud of you my brother!

FOLYKAZE:
I seriously don't do or get myself involved in faith things. As rightly defined in the bible, faith is a conviction and hope for substances and phenomenon that have no emperical evidence.

FOLYKAZE:
Though I am a spiritual conscious person, tends toward Isese but not a dedicated adherent. Love all philosophies and logical reasoning in Ifa particularly, and in Ecclesiastics of the bible.

FOLYKAZE:
Yes I agree and very much accept.

FOLYKAZE:
Why should I blame them? Every conscious mind out there, JW inclusive, have freedom of religion, conviction and thoughts.

FOLYKAZE:
The bible is largely ambiguous and open to multiple meanings.

FOLYKAZE:
JW, like the white garment church, have the right to interpret the bible in their own understanding, and following it according to their conviction.

FOLYKAZE:
That is what religion do, I am right and every others are wrong.

FOLYKAZE:
That is your viewpoint and I respect that.

TATIME:


Glory be to the most high God!

How i wish i'm in your shoes right now bro Maximus!

MuttleyLaff's moving image displayed actually mean that you 'Maximus' is a PEST in their gathering. You were right after all, he truly is their brother and they're just partially against one another. The spirit navigating their minds knows who is not part of them.

Exactly what the Jewish prosecutor accusing Apostle Paul before the Roman authority said that faithful day! Act 24:5

I'm really proud of you my brother!

FOLYKAZE:


The blame went beyond church and Joshua, it stops at the able of God, the omniscient, who should know all before it began to the very end. This God revealed to Joshua that Sun revolved round the earth. It also revealed to the church that apostates and witches should be killed. Such omniscient being should have known everything, beyond it's evolution

budaatum:
You are in error. Instead of realising you have read what some say about God, you seem to think you read God's own account of God's actions. Its a common error, but a grave one which I can only hope you evolve away from. I'm certain you would not make the same error if I told you God told me you will evolve.

TATIME:
Glory be to the most high God!
How i wish i'm in your shoes right now bro Maximus!

MuttleyLaff's moving image displayed actually mean that you 'Maximus' is a PEST in their gathering. You were right after all, he truly is their brother and they're just partially against one another. The spirit navigating their minds knows who is not part of them.

Exactly what the Jewish prosecutor accusing Apostle Paul before the Roman authority said that faithful day! Act 24:5
I'm really proud of you my brother!

Maximus69:
I've checked it bro!
It's true! It's true!!
This is wonderful!
The Jewish prosecutor actually referred to Paul as a "PEST"!

MuttleyLaff:


You this man, you're still riding on this your high horse, erhn? Its going to be a big drop from that height.

Quit getting turned on and having a hard on. No one sees you as a pest, what you are seen as, is a promise breaker, a man of no integrity, a man indisciplined enough to easily break his word and come back to his vomit. That's all, that's what, you are infamously known for, on this thread.

Shame your staff major TATIME wouldnt admit this to you and is leading you up the garden path

MuttleyLaff:
There was no need to bring in Hebrews 11:1 nah

MuttleyLaff:
Ha-ah, "Iṣeṣe". Dont worry you arent, per son trial, lol. Well, not yet, lol.

Abami Ẹda, prolly got the "cul-ulture and tradition" chorus inspiration in "Teacher Don't Teach Me Nonsense" 1986 sagacious tune from "Iṣeṣe".

MuttleyLaff:
Anyway, FOLY, please, you'll have to, you just, must help me with the following:

MuttleyLaff:
1/ What is "Iṣeṣe"?.
2/ What does "Iṣeṣe" mean?
3/ Translate "Iṣeṣe" as best, as you can manage, preferably in a way that can be understood layman's terms, lol.
4/ What is Ifa?
5/ Is Ifa religion or is Ifa a faith/belief system?
6/ Do you believe in Ifa divination, knowledge, power, performance and/or "Iṣeṣe"?
7/ Do you know that Disney has a bible for their characters, so that people who draw Disney characters know how to draw and to make them look correct, hmm? So FOLY, just as, believers have the Bible, lol, what written literature, has Ifa and/or "Iṣeṣe, " please? Muslim, clever clogs though piggybacked on the Bible, bastardised it, to come up with the Quran, lol
8/ Of course, you know, I am showing you that you too are standing on this same table, you are shaking. I am turning around the same wobbly table you're standing on and have the gall to shake against you. I am coming after and/or at you about Orunmila, the historicity of Ifa and your justification of faith in Ifa, hmm?. What are they, FOLY, please, I daresay and/or ask, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
Good. You're very kind. Thanks. I was just checking we are on same page and/or singing from a same hymn book ni, lol.

MuttleyLaff:
Good, but the freedom, to abuse, misuse and/or disuse freewill, is what's not on brother.

MuttleyLaff:
Erhn now, thats true.There is no success without struggle, lol. Remember the intro keyword, subdue. We dont let the bible's ambiguity get the better of us, so we have a back up plan, a Paraclete, lol.

Tbh with you, the bible is more, a case of a book of elusive entendres, lol. Genesis chapters 1 to 3 is polysemous and full of recondite information, lol. There is more than the eyes see. Even that rather racy Genesis chapter 3, if not multiple entendres, is full of double meanings, lol. If you know, you know. Who no know, no go know.

The right any believer has, is to interpret the bible correctly and not interpret it, in accordance to their own understanding.

How many people interpret Deuteronomy 22:20-22 and follow it according to their conviction, hmm? The western part have a colloquial that say "Ti a ba nsunkun, a maa riran" this when loosely translated means "crying and streaming tear waterdrops, doesnt cause one not to have sense see road waka"

This is what religion that is not true, pure and the sort not approved off, by God, because of its fault(s), does, lol

Ọdun Agẹmọ, o yato si, Halloween party. Awọn bi tẹyin bayi, ẹ dowo mọ nau, tẹ bari. Of course, you have no choice, not to respect pukka view(s). Anybaggar, who say your water no go boil hin own water no go hot. No be curse oo, its whats called the boomerang clause, lol

FOLYKAZE:

'the people who run some of them' are the church, the Shephard, not to be mistaken they are the ones Jesus handled the ministration to, with the direction to led their flocks.

FOLYKAZE:

Not really sir/ma

Earliest schools were pagan temples, scattered around Africa, and people world all over were attracted to knowledge about the world.

FOLYKAZE:
The basic knowledge of today in chemistry, physics, medicine, astrology, agriculture, philosophy and mathematics have it root in paganism, without any relationship with Christianity like you posit.

FOLYKAZE:
I doubt the God nor the Bible evolved. There is still burning furnace for sinners. God is ever a sadist having no bearing in reality of today