UdechiHD:
Mine was a response to Letu’s arrogance that tried to ascribe Isee to Eri and he even went on to belittle it as an IPOB innovation. I only blasted that Ngwa orientation in his head. Isee is an aboriginal Igbo word.

Yes, they are and we can easily tell where they are limited to.

I only added my opinion to the thread.

False, Igbo communities are not losing their individuality. Every clan still speak their dialect. Where there seems to be a change to a more centralized Igbo is usually in Urban areas such as Onitsha, Owerri, Umuahia, Aba, Enugu etc and we know why?
Secondly, these overhyped losing of individuality is over blown by those who want to destroy the fabrics of Igbo Izugbe and they’ll fail in that mission. The central Igbo is only reverting all Igbo groups to the ancestral or let me say purest form of Igbo language.

Who attacked first? Check up Letu and Chinenye’s response and tell me if it’s different from the Eri groups with myopic intentions. They should have told us what they call Isee in their dialects and not denigrate the Isee that is a general word for Amen in Igbo language.

The purpose of this silly twaddle was to attack Nri by an inconsequential soul.

Igbo Izugbe is an inferior product that is foreign to the Omanbala Igbo and must be done away with. We are beginning to see the decimation of the product through music , movies etc.

ChinenyeN:
It seems "ise" as an expression was something that spread around and became more popular in recent years, akin to how "igba nkwu" and "ndeewo" have become more commonplace or otherwise "standard".

From what I could gather, it would seem various groups had their own ways of expressing agreement in an "Amen" soft of fashion. In Ngwa, for instance, it is kpoo. I know Echie has theirs that is not "ise", but I don't remember what they say exactly. Asa and Ndoki also have theirs, but "ise" has become commonplace within their enclaves, so we hear a lot of it within their communities.

Ise is an edo word for amen.....

The word ise spread from anioma to the igbos in fhe east

gregyboy:



Ise is an edo word for amen.....

The word ise spread from anioma to the igbos in fhe east

Let me warn again


Stop equating Anioma to Igbo. Anioma is an Igbo word and not an ethnicity. It is a coined word.

Are you this daft with simple logic. A word of 1980's is what you are equating to Ndi gboo....

Be guided and stop perching around Igbo thread with useless Benin logic that we all doesn't hold water here....let alone stand the test of time.


If you don't know terms to use read and pass because it seems you are just maybe In your early or mid- twenties.

gregyboy:



Ise is an edo word for amen.....

The word ise spread from anioma to the igbos in fhe east

So , ise is an Edo word , meanwhile, the four market days are not Igbo....lmao

Una go argue tire...lol

IDENNAA:


So , ise is an Edo word , meanwhile, the four market days are not Igbo....lmao

Una go argue tire...lol

We dont have four market days


We have different market days, we have ancient holidays too, and end of year celebration



Every clan in africa have market days

gregyboy:



We dont have four market days


We have different market days, we have ancient holidays too, and end of year celebration



Every clan in africa have market days

The market days which used to be place of worship which later become the ancient Igbo days of week, were used by your ancestors until the Europeans arrived and you changed it to align with the Roman calendar.

Now , you are claiming a common word nobody knew it's origin just like omi/mmili , okwute/okuta....i didn't see the Igbo or Yoruba claiming these shared words but here you are claiming heavens

So, did all the words shared between southern groups also originate from Bini ?

IDENNAA:


The market days which used to be place of worship which later become the ancient Igbo days of week, were used by your ancestors until the Europeans arrived and you changed it to align with the Roman calendar.


Nawa oo even Europe is not left out from this conspiracy

Now , you are claiming a common word nobody knew it's origin just like omi/mmili , okwute/okuta....i didn't see the Igbo or Yoruba claiming these shared words but here you are claiming heavens

So, did all the words shared between southern groups also originate from Bini ?

Have you seen me claiming all the world belonging to igbo or even a benin person creating a thread for it


The thread says the word Ise is fast becoming the general word for amen in the east removing the indigenous ones meaning the word ise was originally distinct from igbos

Ise is a word shared by western igbos and edo we can only draw the conclusion its from edo


Even if usa are world power today it will never rewrite it history that the British never colonized it, and had influenced over it

But over here in nigeria tribalism will not allow the truth to be the truth

Out of million of word in igbiod lexicon benin are telling you one was loaned from them
You won chop me..... Like benin never once at onetime smell of having contact with any igbo at anytime in history


Benin red coral beads are been worn today by igbos and other southern nigeria does it make it not benin owned

gregyboy:



Have you seen me claiming all the world belonging to igbo or even a benin person creating a thread for it


The thread says the word Ise is fast becoming the general word for amen in the east removing the indigenous ones meaning the word ise was originally distinct from igbos

Ise is a word shared by western igbos and edo we can only draw the conclusion its from edo


Even if usa are world power today it will never rewrite it history that the British never colonized it, and had influenced over it

But over here in nigeria tribalism will not allow the truth to be the truth

Out of million of word in igbiod lexicon benin are telling you one was loaned from them
You won chop me..... Like benin never once at onetime smell of having contact with any igbo at anytime in history


Benin red coral beads are been worn today by igbos and other southern nigeria does it make it not benin owned

Firstly , the Op never said isee was "removing the indigenous one". He maintained he read a book where he saw a variant word in "Ofooo." An intelligent person who has studied the Igbo people may learn the people use various words from clan to clan that means same thing yet different in pronunciation. For instance , some Igbo say "kawo" , "daalu" , "imeela" "deje" ,"deme", "ndewo" and they all mean the same thing , thank you! You Nigerians misunderstand Igbo because of your own ignorance...dont blame us. The Igbo is the most diverse both in language , looks and thoughts. You cant put the Igbo in a box.

First off, Bini doesnt have the clout to colonize nor influence little villages around them and this has been confirmed by the fact that they could barely retain their original tongue and no group around them spoke Bini. You are not powerful and you didnt control jack! Eventually , Igbo will replace your already extinct Bini tongue.

The western Igbo are over 70% Anambra migrants , 10% Edo , 10% Igala , 10% others. They were probably and could be much older than you given their population. You developed a monarchy system and it ends there!

Before Bini learned how to make coral beads we were already making beads for Nze na Ozo titled men using the reddish stones found at the bottom of Omanbala river....Our beads are more reddish and stand out....I will post it

IDENNAA:


Firstly , the Op never said isee was "removing the indigenous one". He maintained he read a book where he saw a variant word in "Ofooo." An intelligent person who has studied the Igbo people may learn the people use various words from clan to clan that means same thing yet different in pronunciation. For instance , some Igbo say "kawo" , "daalu" , "imeela" "deje" ,"deme", "ndewo" and they all mean the same thing , thank you! You Nigerians misunderstand Igbo because of your own ignorance...dont blame us. The Igbo is the most diverse both in language , looks and thoughts. You cant put the Igbo in a box.

First off, Bini doesnt have the clout to colonize nor influence little villages around them and this has been confirmed by the fact that they could barely retain their original tongue and no group around them spoke Bini. You are not powerful and you didnt control jack! Eventually , Igbo will replace your already extinct Bini tongue.

The western Igbo are over 70% Anambra migrants , 10% Edo , 10% Igala , 10% others. They were probably and could be much older than you given their population. You developed a monarchy system and it ends there!

Before Bini learned how to make coral beads we were already making beads for Nze na Ozo titled men using the reddish stones found at the bottom of Omanbala river....Our beads are more reddish and stand out....I will post it

Lol, the coral beads you have are new versions of the benin corql bead

If you dont agree on this one

I will have to request an early 1800 picture of an igbo man wearing bead


Would you say this hand fan his igbo........


This is chief ezomo 1897 pics

gregyboy:



Lol, the coral beads you have are new versions of the benin corql bead

If you dont agree on this one

I will have to request an early 1800 picture of an igbo man wearing bead


Would you say this hand fan his igbo........


This is chief ezomo 1897 pics

You must learn the Bini people are relatively younger to the Igbo people,therefore there are many things you have no knowledge of. We have practiced Nze na Ozo in antiquity before you migrated to your present location and the hand fan(akupe), fly wisk , beads ,etc were nze na ozo paraphernalia. The reddish Igbo beads "aka" are made from a unique stones found in the Omanbala river. The hand fan and horse tail were being used way before Bini kingdom existed. The oldest horse You have been fed a lot of lies by your elders and you swallowed hook line and sinker. The corral beads are very recent because Nri has been using the highly scarce and expensive stone based beads. They are not common and you can only find them mostly among older Ozo men in western Igbo and Anambra.

gregyboy:



Lol, the coral beads you have are new versions of the benin corql bead

If you dont agree on this one

I will have to request an early 1800 picture of an igbo man wearing bead


Would you say this hand fan his igbo........


This is chief ezomo 1897 pics

All I can say is that the Bini’s popularized the bead. However, bead making was an invention of the Portuguese which spread to other parts of the south. But the Bini were the first Nigerian tribe to wear it by virtue of their trade with the Portuguese in the 15th century.

IDENNAA:


You are obsessed with Nri and because of this you are making conjectures with information that doesn't align. You want to attack Nri and Eri but since you are bereft of any reasonable information you just grasping at straws....nonsense

Cc. UdechiHD

Its’s obvious you didn’t see where I also talked about Aro and Ngwa. Who are you then? An Eri champion or what?

IDENNAA:



You must learn the Bini people are relatively younger to the Igbo people,therefore there are many things you have no knowledge of. We have practiced Nze na Ozo in antiquity before you migrated to your present location and the hand fan(akupe), fly wisk , beads ,etc were nze na ozo paraphernalia. The reddish Igbo beads "aka" are made from a unique stones found in the Omanbala river. The hand fan and horse tail were being used way before Bini kingdom existed. The oldest horse You have been fed a lot of lies by your elders and you swallowed hook line and sinker. The corral beads are very recent because Nri has been using the highly scarce and expensive stone based beads. They are not common and you can only find them mostly among older Ozo men in western Igbo and Anambra.

Igbo people may be older than the Bini’s based on archeological findings. However, based on language similarities, we are from one family. Same with many other southern and middlebelt tribes. The major evidence that makes the Igbo’s older than Benin is the excavations from Igbo Ukwu. We may even be siblings - the YEAI group of languages and had once lived in the Nok valley before our dispersions down south.

About Nri making use of the coral beads, you went ahead to show a recent picture as proof. The Bini popularized the bead and not Nri. There are evidence pointing to this fact.
Show us at least a picture of an 19 century person to back your argument.

UdechiHD:
Its’s obvious you didn’t see where I also talked about Aro and Ngwa. Who are you then? An Eri champion or what?

UdechiHD:
All I can say is that the Bini’s popularized the bead. However, bead making was an invention of the Portuguese which spread to other parts of the south. But the Bini were the first Nigerian tribe to wear it by virtue of their trade with the Portuguese in the 15th century.

Again the Portuguese fetched the coral stones from the ocean and traded the stones with the benins, benins took the stones melted it to form
Thier coral beads
The Portuguese didnt didnt just already made beads to benin but the raw material for the bead


The Portuguese also traded zinc and copper with benins which benins used in the make of bronze



So all coral beads and shape was gotten from benin

The southern nigeria adopted it after the creation of nigeria

UdechiHD:
Igbo people may be older than the Bini’s based on archeological findings. However, based on language similarities, we are from one family. Same with many other southern and middlebelt tribes. The major evidence that makes the Igbo’s older than Benin is the excavations from Igbo Ukwu. We may even be siblings - the YEAI group of languages and had once lived in the Nok valley before our dispersions down south.

About Nri making use of the coral beads, you went ahead to show a recent picture as proof. The Bini popularized the bead and not Nri. There are evidence pointing to this fact.
Show us at least a picture of an 19 century person to back your argument.

I dont want to believe you are igbo because of the bolded

So people can still say the truth for what it is without been influenced by nepotism

gregyboy:




I dont want to believe you are igbo because of the bolded

So people can still say the truth for what it is without been influenced by nepotism

The same way you were objective about us is the same way I’m towards others. What would I gain to elevate my ethnic group over the rest.

UdechiHD:
Igbo people may be older than the Bini’s based on archeological findings. However, based on language similarities, we are from one family. Same with many other southern and middlebelt tribes. The major evidence that makes the Igbo’s older than Benin is the excavations from Igbo Ukwu. We may even be siblings - the YEAI group of languages and had once lived in the Nok valley before our dispersions down south.

About Nri making use of the coral beads, you went ahead to show a recent picture as proof. The Bini popularized the bead and not Nri. There are evidence pointing to this fact.
Show us at least a picture of an 19 century person to back your argument.

Well , the excavation at Igboukwu proved my people(Nri and related groups) used stone based beads , fly whisk before the Bini kingdom existed. Bini popularized coral beads which were much newer ,around 17th century. But, before Bini kingdom Nze na Ozo reigned supreme....lmao

You have nothing to fight for ,hence you are willing to fight dirty and discredit our greatness.
The picture I posted was not to prove the time but show difference in the beads

Hey , you can join Bini to attack Nri out of jealousy...cultureless bbastard!

UdechiHD:
The same way you were objective about us is the same way I’m towards others. What would I gain to elevate my ethnic group over the rest.

I love this

I stand for what is right....... Regardless of my tribe or who i identify with i just believe in truth

Keep the truth up tho

I just believe history should be said correctly
It cannot be rewriting but only can be made......

I was wowed with your comment tho, if only we have people like you who will argue with a sincere heart and a bright mind our history would be soon deviod of myth

IDENNAA:


Well , the excavation at Igboukwu proved my people(Nri and related groups) used stone based beads , fly whisk before the Bini kingdom existed. Bini popularized coral beads which were much newer ,around 17th century. But, before Bini kingdom Nze na Ozo reigned supreme....lmao

You have nothing to fight for ,hence you are willing to fight dirty and discredit our greatness.
The picture I posted was not to prove the time but show difference in the beads

Hey , you can join Bini to attack Nri out of jealousy...cultureless bbastard!

Stop attaching emotions while debating and no one should side is tribe with false history to elevate it

Because at the end of the day is the mouth that speaks and the conscience that judge

There's evidence to suggest that the Igbo Ukwu artifacts likely do not belong to either Nri or Igbo Ukwu. It's far more likely to have belonged to a now forgotten group or community that inhabited the area prior.

ChinenyeN:
There's evidence to suggest that the Igbo Ukwu artifacts likely do not belong to either Nri or Igbo Ukwu. It's far more likely to have belonged to a now forgotten group or community that inhabited the area prior.

Probably belonged to an older culture centered around the worship of the python cult (Idemmili).

ChinenyeN:
There's evidence to suggest that the Igbo Ukwu artifacts likely do not belong to either Nri or Igbo Ukwu. It's far more likely to have belonged to a now forgotten group or community that inhabited the area prior.

Whether it belongs to Nri or related groups doesn't change the date of the artifacts. Its older than Bini and its found in Anambra. I dont meddle in your Ngwa or Abia matters...Do I ? Dont act like that post was the only submission that is worth your read. You people (Imo and Abia) are too small to bring the greatness of Nri down. You are too preoccupied with Nri matters...I wonder why

UdechiHD:
The same way you were objective about us is the same way I’m towards others. What would I gain to elevate my ethnic group over the rest.

You have continued to hide your town and state ......why ?

You are so ffoolishly and ready to join Bini elements to fight Nri just because of jealous

Hopeless man , you didn't see the falsehood they were peddling?


Anyways, you have nothing to fight for....I am from Oji Okodu. Where are you from ? Tell me coward!

IDENNAA:


You have continued to hide your town and state ......why ?

You are so ffoolishly and ready to join Bini elements to fight Nri just because of jealous

Hopeless man , you didn't see the falsehood they were peddling?


Anyways, you have nothing to fight for....I am from Oji Okodu. Where are you from ? Tell me coward!

Are you Odenigbo Aroli, or do all of you from Umuoji have the same disposition?

RedboneSmith:


Are you Odenigbo Aroli, or do all of you from Umuoji have the same disposition?

Same nigga

I couldn't get the OdenigboAroli moniker back.

Umuoji have strong Nri presence and our culture breathes Nri...Egwu Obi Umuoji represents the culture of Anambra and Igbo to a large extent.

RedboneSmith:
Probably belonged to an older culture centered around the worship of the python cult (Idemmili).

I don't know about the python cult part. I don't recall coming across any notes or observations on the artifacts that revealed snake worship. Granted, I'm not thoroughly familiar with the particulars of python worship, so there might have been small details that I could not have caught while reading through their findings.

IDENNAA:
Whether it belongs to Nri or related groups doesn't change the date of the artifacts. Its older than Bini and its found in Anambra. I dont meddle in your Ngwa or Abia matters...Do I ? Dont act like that post was the only submission that is worth your read. You people (Imo and Abia) are too small to bring the greatness of Nri down. You are too preoccupied with Nri matters...I wonder why

Calm yourself. I merely presented the academia's concerns so that you and UdechiHD can keep that in mind lest you waste time arguing on the details of the artifacts' origins. I came here to save you two time and energy. My goodwill wasted. Go figure. Lol.

ChinenyeN:


I don't know about the python cult part. I don't recall coming across any notes or observations on the artifacts that revealed snake worship. Granted, I'm not thoroughly familiar with the particulars of python worship, so there might have been small details that I could not have caught while reading through their findings.

The python motif is ubiquitous in Igbo Ukwu art, from the pottery to the bronze work.

IDENNAA:


Same nigga

I couldn't get the OdenigboAroli moniker back.

Umuoji have strong Nri presence and our culture breathes Nri...Egwu Obi Umuoji represents the culture of Anambra and Igbo to a large extent.

Hmmm. You still have some of your former cockiness, but you have also calmed down somehow. Lol.

ChinenyeN:


Calm yourself. I merely presented the academia's concerns so that you and UdechiHD can keep that in mind lest you waste time arguing on the details of the artifacts' origins. I came here to save you two time and energy. My goodwill wasted. Go figure. Lol.

If you say so