YakubuA:


Rationally it is impossible to see Allah(swt) in this life for the following reasons:

Allah created everything (the entire universe, including man and life) from nothing.

Do you have a prove to substantiate your qadiya that "Allah created everything from nothing"? This statement is incorrect. Nothing can come out of nothing.

Jamariwolff:
Because he doesnt exist, just like the christian god. Scam

Human Beings!They always want signs to believe something.
Take a look at your body/brain how complex and magnificent it is,and you say God doesn't exist?

AlBaqir:


Do you have a prove to substantiate your qadiya that "Allah created everything from nothing"? This statement is incorrect. Nothing can come out of nothing.

One of the names of Allah (swt) is Alkhaliq. The one who creates out of nothing. Please go and verify this.

emddi:
Human Beings!They always want signs to believe something.
Take a look at your body/brain how complex and magnificent it is,and you say God doesn't exist?

ok i am confused. Which god are you talking of?
The christian or islamic god?

Or does the religion you find yourself born into equates the god who gave you the "brain" and body?

my husband inlaw is a witches what should I do

Some Muslims and wahala sha. There is one Kaduna idiot quoting Oga Lexusgs430 of Umidigi thread.


Stupid terrorist

YakubuA:


First I did not say logic I say rational because logic is based on premises ( if then etc) which is not the best way of deducing facts. So please keep it rational not logical. Beside that when the Qur'an discuss this issue it encourage us to think rationally not logically.

Secondly the Qur'an, in its entirety was revealed, to our beloved Prophet (saw) from Allah(swt) and the Messenger (saw) understood it more than any human in this universe. He (the messenger) explained to us that believers in paradise will see Allah (swt)

Narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh (266) from Suhayb, according to whom the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“When the people of Paradise enter Paradise, Allaah will say, ‘Do you want anything more?’ They will say, ‘Have You not brightened our faces, admitted us to Paradise and saved us from Hell?’ Then the veil will be lifted and they will not have seen anything more dear to them than looking upon their Lord, may He be glorified and exalted. This is what is meant by ‘even more.’” Then he recited the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“For those who have done good is the best reward and even more (i.e. having the honour of glancing at the Countenance of Allaah)”

[Yoonus 10:26]

There is no contradiction with the fact that we cant see Allah in this life but we can, in shaa Allah, see Him in Jannah because this life is different from the life in Jannah and the transition between the two is death.

# What is logic and what is rational thinking? Logic is innate in man. Standardized logic is a tool to help rational thinking from error.

# You have limited the meaning and understanding of the above hadith to a LITERAL understanding. And that has always been thr biggest problem of the salafi school.

"Looking upon their Lord" should not be interpreted literally. Again, Qur'an is clear, "No vision can grasp Him". Whether in this world or the next, human will continue to assume a kind of "vision". And anything that can be grasp with vision is limited and obviously has a form (surat). That is not Allah. Therefore, "seeing Allah" is by the heart experiencing His ma'rifat. On this earth, we "see" via various of His manifestations. In the next world, those manifestations will be more clearer and obvious since human will be beyond his 5 state of senses.

Because he ain't real.

Jamariwolff:
ok i am confused. Which god are you talking of?
The christian or islamic god?

Or does the religion you find yourself born into equates the god who gave you the "brain" and body?

There is nothing like the Christian or Islamic God,God is one.
Who gave you your body?

abduljabbar4:
Jazakallahu khairan @op. Please try to ignore the listless orangutans on this thread. They can't survive without attacking the truth. It's just about all that they can do

I can believe anything that doesn't mean it is true.

YakubuA:


One of the names of Allah (swt) is Alkhaliq. The one who creates out of nothing. Please go and verify this.

Al-Khaaliq simply means The Creator. It is you that interpolated it with your thought of "out of nothing" to suit your belief.

Again, you are challenged to bring a Quranic or "rational" prove substantiate your sentence that "Allah created everything from nothing". I stand by my qadiya that "Nothing (adam) can come out of nothing (adam)". Only Existence (wujud) can come out of existence (wujud). Nothing does not exist. Existence can NEVER ever come out of nothing.

LordReed:


While this answer is sufficient for children, I don't think it is for an adult. Does any adult think that not seeing Santa is because he lives in the North Pole and only comes out 1 night out of a whole year?

You'll get the likes/shares from your cohorts! OK. This is Islam not atheism!

Rafidi:


What sort of logic do Salafists propagate? If it is not logically for the Creator to be seen by the created eyes because He created everything, then why would He be seen by the same naked eyes in paradise based on Salafist teaching? Is paradise not created by Allah? Are the human eyes in paradise divine eyes? Where is the logic then? Why should there be difference in approach and claim we cant see Allah in our earthly life but we can see Him in our afterlife?

Your argument is weak.
If you want logic, I will give you one.
Do you believe in paradise?
Do people in paradise get sick, old, hungry or die?
There are many things humans can't experience in this life, but if we are fortunate to be amongst the dwellers of jannah, then we can experience it.

AlBaqir:



# What is logic and what is rational thinking? Logic is innate in man. Standardized logic is a tool to help rational thinking from error.

# You have limited the meaning and understanding of the above hadith to a LITERAL understanding. And that has always been thr biggest problem of the salafi school.

"Looking upon their Lord" should not be interpreted literally. Again, Qur'an is clear, "No vision can grasp Him". Whether in this world or the next, human will continue to assume a kind of "vision". And anything that can be grasp with vision is limited and obviously has a form (surat). That is not Allah. Therefore, "seeing Allah" is by the heart experiencing His ma'rifat. On this earth, we "see" via various of His manifestations. In the next world, those manifestations will be more clearer and obvious since human will be beyond his 5 state of senses.

No you are wrong logic is not innate but rational thinking is innate. The Qur'an did talk to us logically to understand our creator but rationally because ability to think rationally is innate in every human being.
If you are confused between logic and rational keep in mind always that logic always begin with a premise and you have to go to school to learn logic but rational thinking is innate and does not require that.

As for the Hadith what the Messenger said is the Truth and it was the understanding of the Sahabah hence is not subject to your own interpretation.

AlBaqir:



# What is logic and what is rational thinking? Logic is innate in man. Standardized logic is a tool to help rational thinking from error.

# You have limited the meaning and understanding of the above hadith to a LITERAL understanding. And that has always been thr biggest problem of the salafi school.

"Looking upon their Lord" should not be interpreted literally. Again, Qur'an is clear, "No vision can grasp Him". Whether in this world or the next, human will continue to assume a kind of "vision". And anything that can be grasp with vision is limited and obviously has a form (surat). That is not Allah. Therefore, "seeing Allah" is by the heart experiencing His ma'rifat. On this earth, we "see" via various of His manifestations. In the next world, those manifestations will be more clearer and obvious since human will be beyond his 5 state of senses.

Humans in the afterlife will adopt a form different from the one in this world, they will not get sick, die, or become old. They will also live forever.
We should refrain from interpretation of hadith differently from the way the sahabas who studied, learn and relate with the Rasul (pbuh). May Allah grant us understanding

AlBaqir:



This kind of understanding is defective. It's neither logical nor in line with Qur'anic understanding.


First, we cannot see Allah because anything seen is limited and has a form. Allah is far above such descriptions. He is unlimited and "nothing is like unto Him" [sura ikhlas].

Quran capped it by saying, "No vision can encompass Him but He encompasses all visions..."


Second, if the Sufi [People of Tasawwuf - Islamic mysticism] say we can see Allah in this world and the next world, they NEVER meant seeing with this two eyes. They meant "seeing" Him with the "eyes" of your heart. And that is real ma'rifat Allah.


Third, as per the so-called third opinion which the scholar boastfully said it's the right opinion, that's nothing but arrogance and exaggeration. We know such view to be Salafi view. And it is ridiculous based on the first point.

This moniker is fond of "breaking away"from the truth. Despite the Qur'an verse you quoted corroborating the Hadith OP quoted you still brought up your "Salafy" enemy tag.

Anyways we reject your Suffi-Shiite position!

scott04:

hmmmn otem of truth its been a long time we heard of you.

I'm always here bro.

AbuTwins:


You'll get the likes/shares from your cohorts! OK. This is Islam not atheism!

Irrelevant and doesn't change the fact that this reason is childish.

YakubuA:


No you are wrong logic is not innate but rational thinking is innate. The Qur'an did talk to us logically to understand our creator but rationally because ability to think rationally is innate in every human being.
If you are confused between logic and rational keep in mind always that logic always begin with a premise and you have to go to school to learn logic but rational thinking is innate and does not require that.

As for the Hadith what the Messenger said is the Truth and it was the understanding of the Sahabah hence is not subject to your own interpretation.

Now I can say it categorically that you know nothing about logic. The moment you keep on saying logic is about premises, then I know your limitation. Besides, which rational thinking comes without premises? Premises are foundation for result of an arguments.

For your information there is no difference between logic and rationality.


# Bring one sahabi in an authentic hadith that interpreted the above hadith literally as you do and claimed that exactly was the thought of the Prophet?

Please refrain from statement you can not defend.

Jamariwolff:
thank you, mom of "Noel19" for giving birth to him and indoctrinating him in the light! To enable him know who the true god is, and to SEE his true god everynight. Amen

finally, you have traveled to outer space and come to the conclusion that God does not exist, you are the missing link of homo saipan. You have finally peoduce a theory that explain everything in our universe. Good

alfarouq:

Humans in the afterlife will adopt a form different from the one in this world, they will not get sick, die, or become old. They will also live forever.
We should refrain from interpretation of hadith differently from the way the sahabas who studied, learn and relate with the Rasul (pbuh). May Allah grant us understanding

Yes of course human in the afterlife will adopt a "new form" (in Qur'anic terminology) YET human will still remain "mumkin al-Wujud" with limitations. Therefore, your argument that human will not sick, die, become old etc does not solve the problem of "seeing Allah" with our vision. In fact, your point is ba'eed (distant).


# You are also challenged to bring one sahabi in an authentic hadith that interpreted the above hadith literally as you do and claimed such interpretation was the intention of Rasulullah (salalallahu alayhi wa ahli). Lobatan.

Qur'an is crystal clear that no vision can grasp Him. Therefore, it is in this submission of the Qur'an that you interpret the above hadith. Yet, you sideline Qur'an and formulate a literal meaning of the above hadith. Prophet will never contradict his Lord.

AbuTwins:


This moniker is fond of "breaking away"from the truth. Despite the Qur'an verse you quoted corroborating the Hadith OP quoted you still brought up your "Salafy" enemy tag.

Anyways we reject your Suffi-Shiite position!

Where's the "Truth"? How does the verse I quoted corroborated the hadith you chose to interpret literally?

Of course, we need to put things in their perspectives especially when salafi wants to monopolize Islamic teachings and understanding.

Take a look at the OP's deception. Lots of stones were first thrown saying, "Jahmiyah, ash'ariya, sufi etc said this and that", then, he cunningly bring his own ideology and label it as "correct".
That is not only silly but very unjust.

There are many thoughts and understanding among the Muslims. If you are to reject an understanding, you simply have to state reasons against it. only then, you can state your own thought which you felt is correct, also with prove.

So, I haven't go off track stating the so-called correct view of the OP is salafiyah thought and understanding. The ball is in your court to defend your understanding. I have defended mine.

to the Op, may Almighty Allah enrich your mental faculty.
back to the topic, I heard there's a particular prophet that's said to have seen Allah. How true is this?

Ximenez:
Why are you calling your fellow human an idiot? Is that the piss islam has taught you?

You are an idiot. Go and cry

Euegene100001:
Allow ur god fight its own battle

No one needs to battle you bro.

[quote author=Bruno3000 post=89056103]Hypocritical idiot. Ur fast is in vain.[/quote

Says an idiot

Can you see your sense?

Lexusgs430:
Because it's a pigment of your imagination.......

Meeezzzy:
Can you see your sense?

It's another pigment for you......

who is the terrorist here
you busted into a thread not meant for you and you are here shouting terrorist upandan like a deranged individual
if i'm to go by Nairaland tendencies..i'd say Christians and pagans don't know how to mind their business
jezz leave Islam alone, go your way and do ur stuff...NO they wnt
Nd despite all, Islam remains the fastest growing religion worldwide by a farrrr margin

Lexusgs430:



Keep acting like a terrorist.... I shall remain sane and composed......

Ramsak1:
who is the terrorist here
you busted into a thread not meant for you and you are here shouting terrorist upandan like a deranged individual
if i'm to go by Nairaland tendencies..i'd say Christians and pagans don't know how to mind their business
jezz leave Islam alone, go your way and do ur stuff...NO they wnt
Nd despite all, Islam remains the fastest growing religion worldwide by a farrrr margin

Tell me the terrorist sect, that is causing mayhem in Nigeria?

Indeed the fastest growing religion, breeding more terrorists.........

It's Islam, they say the religion of peace war.......

cezarman:
It's Friday! Time to flood the FP with ridiculous Islamic threads.

I prefer the Christian threads though! They're kinda fun to read sometimes, especially the arguments...

Just that the mysterious mods hardly push more than 3 Christian threads to the FP on Sundays. Very little compared to what would be done for the Muslims today.

Nairaland be immitating Buhari... nawa oh

I'm not a Christian btw, just my observations.

nairaland should be pushing atheist thread to the front page on saturday

AlBaqir:



Now I can say it categorically that you know nothing about logic. The moment you keep on saying logic is about premises, then I know your limitation. Besides, which rational thinking comes without premises? Premises are foundation for result of an arguments.

For your information there is no difference between logic and rationality.


# Bring one sahabi in an authentic hadith that interpreted the above hadith literally as you do and claimed that exactly was the thought of the Prophet?


Please refrain from statement you can not defend.

OK Logical Professor. I still stand with what I said logic is based on premises and in some cases may not even have reality example? some mathematical equations. If you are ignorant of this fact then you know nothing about logic and google is your friend don't be lazy.

On the other hand rational thinking is based on reasons and reality. And I hope this help you to understand the difference.

As for the Hadith all can see that the level of your ignorance is second to none.
The Hadith is very clear The Messenger said the veil will be lifted and all the Sahabah understood that when a veil is lifted you will see what the veil conceal. No any other interpretation is needed because there is no ambiguity otherwise the Sahabah would have asked the Prophet to explain further. Beside there was no single Sahabi that disagree with this understanding.
So the onus is rather on you to bring one single Sahabi that disagree with this understanding.

If you are confused the Ummah is not confused.