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mushystuff:
Then tell me as a rational person, what other logical reason can there be for Mr President and Vice to staunchly insist on the appointment and retention of a person despite the clearly damning report by the DSS, under the president's direct command, and the resultant refusal of the Senate to confirm him?

Now that you concede that I have made some good points querying why he was even appointed in the first place can you at least condemn Buhari in this regard for his clear failure? It will not stop hom from being president till 2023 as you like to say.

The only reason is that Buhari has always been slow to action.
I do not support his slowness but that's how he's always been.
So let's not pretend we do not know he's very slow to action so that we can accuse him of shielding corruption and other things.

*Buhari takes forever to appoint his ministers; is he shielding corruption?
*Buhari takes forever to shuffle his ministers and cabinet; is he shielding corruption?.
*Buhari takes forever to remove Buratai and other service chiefs; is he shielding corruption?
*Buhari takes forever to prosecute both APC and PDP leaders; Is he shielding corruption?
*Buhari takes forever to intervene in his APC party crises; is he shielding corruption?

Then Buhari takes forever to investigate and suspend Magu; Oh he's using Magu to pilfer funds!

No na.

You could accuse Buhari of negligence and indifference but not corruption or shielding Magu.
If he was shielding Magu, No man born of a woman including Malami could touch Magu.

mushystuff:
In that report, he had already established criminal dealings with a suspect under EFCC investigation by accepting gifts from him. He was compromised so even if he wasn't going to be prosecuted for that, he ought not to have been appointed! Refusal of confirmation by Senate was yet another reason to keep him out!
What do you mean by keeping an eye in him? For 5 years? Please don't tell me you justify such tardy, lethargic pace of action by Buhari and crew!

I am not justify anything but I am sure if that evidence was so damning it was already a crime and anyone even opposition can get him to court.. Senate refusal is not enough because of Nigerian politics.. Yes 5 years is not lethargic even top policing like fbi and Cia do so.. Do you want them to rush and end up like magu without evidence? Look at the timline of the accusation and tell me if at 2015/2016 he will removed for the above crimes

believe me this country is a joke

tesppidd:
The only reason is that Buhari has always been slow to action.
I do not support his slowness but that's how he's always been.
So let's not pretend we do not know he's very slow to action so that we can accuse him of shielding corruption and other things.

*Buhari takes forever to appoint his ministers; is he shielding corruption?
*Buhari takes forever to shuffle his ministers and cabinet; is he shielding corruption?.
*Buhari takes forever to remove Buratai and other service chiefs; is he shielding corruption?
*Buhari takes forever to prosecute both APC and PDP leaders; Is he shielding corruption?
*Buhari takes forever to intervene in his APC party crises; is he shielding corruption?

Then Buhari takes forever to investigate and suspend Magu; Oh he's using Magu to pilfer funds!

No na.

You could accuse Buhari of negligence and indifference but not corruption or shielding Magu.
If he was shielding Magu, No man born of a woman including Malami could touch Magu.

All the instances you have listed are clear hallmarks of incompetence and negligence. No president should wave be accused of that because those 2 elements engender all forms of corruption you can think of. Failure to quickly appoint good and qualified Ministers allows for fraudulent activities to continue unchecked in addition to a bad name/face of a government.

Such incompetence is already enough for a vote of no confidence because it is a sign of what is to come, it is no style of governance! Do you and Buhari not know that leaving appointees in place for too long allows them deep entrenchment of fraud and corruption? Why should it take forever to reshuffle or replace them especially when their output is not commensurate with expectations and leaves much to be desired? You call that style? I call absolute bullshįt and official approval of inefficiency and corruption so yes, Buhari in fact stands accused of corruption by deliberately providing a conducive environment for it!

tesppidd:
The only reason is that Buhari has always been slow to action.
I do not support his slowness but that's how he's always been.
So let's not pretend we do not know he's very slow to action so that we can accuse him of shielding corruption and other things.

*Buhari takes forever to appoint his ministers; is he shielding corruption?
*Buhari takes forever to shuffle his ministers and cabinet; is he shielding corruption?.
*Buhari takes forever to remove Buratai and other service chiefs; is he shielding corruption?
*Buhari takes forever to prosecute both APC and PDP leaders; Is he shielding corruption?
*Buhari takes forever to intervene in his APC party crises; is he shielding corruption?

Then Buhari takes forever to investigate and suspend Magu; Oh he's using Magu to pilfer funds!

No na.

You could accuse Buhari of negligence and indifference but not corruption or shielding Magu.
If he was shielding Magu, No man born of a woman including Malami could touch Magu.

Magu did some good job as efcc chairman irrespective of his shortcomings but as other people were prosecuted for their he also has to be prosecuted.. But for people using his crime to condemn the work.. Why are judges and police still working them no dey commit same crime?

pquaver:
Magu did some good job as efcc chairman irrespective of his shout comings but as other people were prosecuted for their he also has to be prosecuted.. But for people using his crime to condemn the work.. While are judges and police still working them no dey commit same crime?

Whose responsibility is it to check the excesses of erring Police and judicial officers? That is the issue of bad governance that is condemned by all sane Nigerians but that will not be a reason not to hold Magu and Buhari responsible for their inexcusable failure as far as this issue is concerned!

mushystuff:
All the instances you have listed are clear hallmarks of incompetence and negligence. No president should wave be accused of that because those 2 elements engender all forms of corruption you can think of. Failure to quickly appoint good and qualified Ministers allows for fraudulent activities to continue unchecked in addition to a bad name/face of a government.

Such incompetence is already enough for a vote of no confidence because it is a sign of what is to come, it is no style of governance! Do you and Buhari not know that leaving appointees in place for too long allows them deep entrenchment of fraud and corruption? Why should it take forever to reshuffle or replace them especially when their output is not commensurate with expectations and leaves much to be desired? You call that style? I call absolute bullshįt and official approval of inefficiency and corruption so yes, Buhari in fact stands accused of corruption by deliberately providing a conducive environment for it!

Now you're shifting the goal post.

What have you typed here now that I did not concur with?

You just want to hold one to your point that;

"Buhari and Osinbajo kept Magu there to pilfer money for them"

Incompetence
Negligence
Weakness
Stupidity
And so on and so on; Call him anything. I agree.

But how does your sermon above prove that Buhari and Osinbajo kept Magu there to pilfer money for them?

Address this point and stop running from pillar to post.

mushystuff:
Whose responsibility is it to check the excesses of erring Police and judicial officers? That is the issue if bad governance that is condemned by all sane Nigerians but that will not be a reason not to hold Magu and Buhari responsible for their inexcusable failure as far as this issue is concerned!

Does America that is a first one country not have constituted authority to check erring police? So since you were born has anything changed about their police? Has it stopped them from working does it make them not to be sane? Fact is the work will go n on will you prosecute for the crime but you can not say to and officer you look at his file he has some wonderful records and achievements in the line of duty and you see also he had run a business with drug peddlers you will now say who recruited him in the first place he should not be a police officer. All I see is an attempt anyhow to drag Mr president and vice president into the discussion.. Let me get is straight to you.. Mr Malami who wrote the president was also appointed by president, the board constituted that found him guilty appointed by president, the police and everyone involved is still the president so for you to come and and one to drag him into magu decision to steal is not only senseless but also lame.. Fact is he is taking action whether it is late to you or not but atleast he is still on the side of justice and integrity.. Better late than never... Unlike some you know....

mushystuff:
Whose responsibility is it to check the excesses of erring Police and judicial officers? That is the issue if bad governance that is condemned by all sane Nigerians but that will not be a reason not to hold Magu and Buhari responsible for their inexcusable failure as far as this issue is concerned!

You made a bold claim

"Buhari and Osinbajo kept Magu in order to use him to pilfer public funds"

Am interested in this claim.

tesppidd:
You made a bold claim

"Buhari and Osinbajo kept Magu in order to use him to pilfer public funds"

Am interested in this claim.

That is the logical conclusion to the decision to forcefully appoint Magu and keep him in acting capacity for 5 while years despite all pointers to the contrary! To deliberately disregard the report of the DSS and unanimous decision of the Senate can only mean that there was a more compelling, nefarious reason called corruption which includes pilfering of state funds.

tesppidd:
Now you're shifting the goal post.

What have you typed here now that I did not concur with?

You just want to hold one to your point that;

"Buhari and Osinbajo kept Magu there to pilfer money for them"

Incompetence
Negligence
Weakness
Stupidity
And so on and so on; Call him anything. I agree.

But how does your sermon above prove that Buhari and Osinbajo kept Magu there to pilfer money for them?

Address this point and stop running from pillar to post.

For this quote, the point I wanted to clearly bring to your attention in addition to all distasteful adjectives is that Buhari is also corrupt and you should be bold enough to acknowledge n call him that!

You could accuse Buhari of negligence and indifference but not corruption

The quote above is what you said in your last post which I quoted so I have made it clear that his deliberate incompetence, slowness, negligence all boil down official approval of corrupt and sharp practice which as you can see, despite all his campaign promises, have actually worsened!

mushystuff:
That is the logical conclusion to the decision to forcefully appoint Magu and keep him in acting capacity for 5 while years despite all pointers to the contrary! To deliberately disregard the report of the DSS and unanimous decision of the Senate can only mean that there was a more compelling, nefarious reason called corruption which includes pilfering of state funds.

Very illogical.

There is no logic in concluding that Buhari and Osinbajo kept Magu in order to pilfer.

This claim is illogical and irresponsible.

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ursullalinda:
Seems Magu has been made the escape goat and Bubu is using him to shine........okpari oh

"..escape goat....."

tesppidd:
Very illogical.

There is no logic in concluding that Buhari and Osinbajo kept Magu in order to pilfer.

This claim is illogical and irresponsible.

If you were president and you had at your disposal the report from the DSS as well as the refusal of the Senate to confirm your candidate would you still go ahead to appoint and retain him in acting capacity for 5 years? Is that a responsible action to take? Or you mean there was no other capable hand to run the EFCC?

Is it even healthy for any organization to have its head remain in acting capacity and unconfirmed for even 6 months talk less of 5 years? Would be this vehement if it was Jonathan that took this kind of action? How else can you justify the action of Buhari and Osinbajo while in acting capacity?

Tetehjewels:
You are not a very intelligent fellow.

Don't you know he retained him there for easier probing because if he was removed or attempted to be removed he would have made serious efforts to cover his tracks?

Have you never heard of subterfuge in strategy in your life before?

It's funny u accuse someone of not being intelligent yet ur comment doesn't even show u understand d meaning of d word "intelligent".

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mushystuff:
If you were president and you had at your disposal the report from the DSS as well as the refusal of the Senate to confirm your candidate would you still go ahead to appoint and retain him in acting capacity for 5 years? Is that a responsible action to take? Or you mean there was no other capable hand to run the EFCC?

Is it even healthy for any organization to have its head remain in acting capacity and unconfirmed for even 6 months talk less of 5 years? Would be this vehement if it was Jonathan that took this kind of action? How else can you justify the action of Buhari and Osinbajo while in acting capacity?

You are still running away from my question.

If Buhari and Osinbajo were using Magu to "pilfer public funds" what could have stopped them from ordering Malami and DSS to stop every investigation on Magu and destroy all evidence?
Abi is Malami and DSS not subject to the orders of Mr President?

I have said that the actions of Mr Buhari n this case, you could call it negligence, incompetence, stooopidity or whatever.

But what you can never conclude from it is that Buhari kept Magu there to pilfer public funds.

All you need to do now is humbly retract that illogical statement so we can end this back and forth.

kama.................. it's magu today..... it can be you tomorrow.

tesppidd:
You are still running away from my question.

If Buhari and Osinbajo were using Magu to "pilfer public funds" what could have stopped them from ordering Malami and DSS to stop every investigation on Magu and destroy all evidence?
Abi is Malami and DSS not subject to the orders of Mr President?

I have said that the actions of Mr Buhari n this case, you could call it negligence, incompetence, stooopidity or whatever.

But what you can never conclude from it is that Buhari kept Magu there to pilfer public funds.

All you need to do now is humbly retract that illogical statement so we can end this back and forth.

Until you can tell me what other conclusion is more logical than deliberately appointing a compromised person into a sensitive position in order to use him for other corrupt ends including unlawful access to public funds, my position remains. Simple question, would you do same if you were president? Are we expected to praise Buhari or see reason with his corrupt incompetence?

It would be best if you can for once roundly condemn Buhari for his deliberate failures rather than all these roundabout defences that hold no water.

mushystuff:
Until you can tell me what other conclusion is more logical than deliberately appointing a compromised person into a sensitive position in order to use him for other corrupt ends including unlawful access to public funds, my position remains. Simple question, would you do same if you were president? Are we expected to praise Buhari or see reason with his corrupt incompetence?

It would be best if you can for once roundly condemn Buhari for his deliberate failures rather than all these roundabout defences that hold no water.

I have told you a million times and I gave you several examples of his slowness, indifference, inaction and incompetence if you would. Failure to be decisive in his cabinet and even party issues.

Let me repeat the adjectives;

*Slowness
*Inaction
*Indifference
*Incompetence

Now which of the above means that he and Osinbajo kept Magu there to pilfer public funds?

None of these adjectives.

You made an allegation which is irresponsible, unproven and unsubstantiated.

Swallow your pride and retract your statement.

mushystuff:
Until you can tell me what other conclusion is more logical than deliberately appointing a compromised person into a sensitive position in order to use him for other corrupt ends including unlawful access to public funds, my position remains. Simple question, would you do same if you were president? Are we expected to praise Buhari or see reason with his corrupt incompetence?

It would be best if you can for once roundly condemn Buhari for his deliberate failures rather than all these roundabout defences that hold no water.

For failing to remove Magu since 2015, what is proven and undisputed without any doubt is Buhari's inaction and incompetence in this case.

But what is unproven, unsubstantiated and baseless is saying that "Buhari and Osinbajo left Magu in order to pilfer public funds".

Until you have any evidence just retract that statement and kill that thought.

Then look for some evidence and come back.

Buhari will allow you to play all your corrupt practices. He will pretend as if he is with you.
When he see you finish , he will come for you.

He can even eat with.you on same corrupt food plate , to enable him see you finish.
By the time he sees you finish , he will come for you.

I think I like that aspect of his life style.

There's a saying that says , if you want to catch a thief , you have to behave like a thief.

From all want is happening, I can deduce that

Buhari himself is not corrupt. .

The only thing , I don't like about him previously is his attitude towards the easterners

Even, though he felt ibos didn't like him, which is not the way it looks.
Even though I know that most of the past and present governor's in the east didn't do our region well.

Now , the easterners are glamouring for PRESIDENCY.

IN MY OPINION, IF THE LIKES OF OUR PAST GOVERNOR'S WHO HELPED TO PUT US IN THE "CRYING STATE "WE ARE NOW, ARE SAME PEOPLE WHO WILL BE CONTESTING FOR PRESIDENCY

IT WILL BE BETTER FOR THE POWER OF PRESIDENCY TO REMAIN IN THE NORTH.

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