Akube1z:
Thank God for the gift of life...


Sabbath day is an holy day for the christains . It's day to rest and the day to connect with God through the holy spirit or reading, listening and meditating the Word of God.

Before you do any activity on Sundays do the above first.

I don't think we should call it the Sabbath then because those who observe the Sabbath are not allowed to do any kind of work,light a fire (involves cooking) and leave their dwellings for any reason.It's okay to call it a holy day though.

This can't be called the Sabbath then cos observing the Sabbath involves not leaving your dwelling,not lighting a fire(hence no cooking) and not doing any form of work.It's okay to call it a holy day for yourself though.

Akube1z:
Thank God for the gift of life...


Sabbath day is an holy day for the christains . It's day to rest and the day to connect with God through the holy spirit or reading, listening and meditating the Word of God.

Before you do any activity on Sundays do the above first.

DeOTR:
@Raymondfayowole
So you want me to give you a Bible verse to make you believe the law in Matt. 5:19 refers to the same law mentioned just two verses behind? Seriously? This isn't even an object of debate.
Jesus was assurring us in verse 17 that he has not come to destroy the law, but to magnify it, then in verse 19 he warned against breaking the law or teaching others to break it.
And you're still asking me to give you a Bible verse to support the claim that the law Jesus warned us not to break is the same he said he has not come to destroy?
You're supposed to be the one giving me a Bible verse to support your claim that he's talking about a new law.

I gave u matt 5:17-19. I explained "to fulfill" in that context means to accomplish what it was intended for, which u also agreed to. U also agreed that the former law was incomplete

I told u v19 now tells us his talking abt the new commandments he has come to accomplish. Which part of this statement u dont understand?

So I ask u d same question u ignored before. If it is the same old law he was referring to in v19, why did he now clarify he has come to fulfill d old law? Did u get d logic in dat question?

I will still remind u that in that context of v19, it is clear that when Jesus refers to “these commandments” he is speaking of “these my commandments,” as in, “these commandments that you are hearing from me right now.”

If it's nt clear to u now...tell me ur local language mayb google translate will help me here.

DeOTR:

The same greek word translated as "fulfill" in Matt 3:15 is the same translated as "fulfill" in Matt 5:17, so if the fulfilling righteousness means Jesus and John doing God's will, fulfilling the law also should mean Jesus doing what God wants, or isn't the 10 commandment God's will?
What's the point of Jesus leading by example if his followers follow his steps?

I told u "The 10 Commandments" was part of God's covenant with the children of Israel. The Sabbath day was never a command during the patriarchal dispensation.

Imagine me having a covenant wit u now, it has to be more dan just words. There has to be some guidelines surrounding that covenant. That's where laws comes in.

If I tell u becos of the covenant we have, by 6am evryday we must get up from the bed. So u hav no other option than to get up frm d bed evryday by 6am becos of the agreement.

I told u the law was established to serve a particular purpose and wen that purpose has been served what then is the usefulness of the law. (Ask me for bible passages backing this up nd I will give u).

If we r no longer under the old covenant, y then shuld we follow the laws. We now have a new covenant, a new commandments that we Christians are to follow.

@Raymondfayowole, simple grammer dictates that the same law Jesus is saying he didn't come to destroy in Matt 5:17 is the same law he warned us not to break in v19. Or where in the whole chapter, did you read, the old law is obsolete, now this is the new law? Don't turn the scripture on its head.
Or who, in their right sense, throw away what they've come to complete or give meaning to?
The sabbath law was not in effect in the time of the Patriarchs?
So why was it wrong that Cain killed Abel? Afterall, there was no "do not kill".
Did God not bless and sanctify the 7th day at creation in Gen. 2:3?
Even Jesus prophesied sabbath would still be kept after his mission (Matt 24:20).
Is sunday keeping part of the new covenant?
Take the cure for your ignorance: "The authority of the church could therefore not be bound to the authority of the Scriptures, because the Church had changed the Sabbath into Sunday, NOT BY COMMAND OF CHRIST, but by its own authority" (Canon and Tradition, p. 263).

DeOTR:
@Raymondfayowole, simple grammer dictates that the same law Jesus is saying he didn't come to destroy in Matt 5:17 is the same law he warned us not to break in v19. Or where in the whole chapter, did you read, the old law is obsolete, now this is the new law? Don't turn the scripture on its head.
Or who, in their right sense, throw away what they've come to complete or give meaning to?

I will try my best now to put it in the simplest English that I can.

First we agreed that in matt 5:17, Christ came to complete a law that was incomplete. So we have:
1. An incomplete law that was established for a purpose
2. A complete law, a finished law

In v18, we can see that Christ said not the smallest alphabet of the law will be left out till all is fulfilled. I.e,
Till all things which the law requires, or the prophets foretel, shall be effected.

V19, Matthew 5:19. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments....

So I ask u again...why did Christ need to clarify he came to fulfil the old law if he was referring to d old law in v19.

So d argument here is are u embracing what is new or following what is old.

DeOTR:

The sabbath law was not in effect in the time of the Patriarchs?
So why was it wrong that Cain killed Abel? Afterall, there was no "do not kill".
Did God not bless and sanctify the 7th day at creation in Gen. 2:3?
Even Jesus prophesied sabbath would still be kept after his mission (Matt 24:20).
Is sunday keeping part of the new covenant?
Take the cure for your ignorance: "The authority of the church could therefore not be bound to the authority of the Scriptures, because the Church had changed the Sabbath into Sunday, NOT BY COMMAND OF CHRIST, but by its own authority" (Canon and Tradition, p. 263).

I will take it that first, u dont knw d meaning of patriarchal. It was d time of the fathers. The time of Adam, Abraham where d way of worship was diff. It was more of family worship in the time of the patriarchal dispensation. I will repeat myself, the sabbath law was never a command in the patriarchal dispensation.

Read Deuteronomy 5:2-3
[2]The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
[3]The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

Is it the law of sabbath that will tell u that what cain did to his brother was wronged? Ans me

God blessed and sanctify the 7th day and in that context, sanctified it means: Separated it from ordinary uses, and hallowed it. Legal observance of the Sabbath did not begin till the days of Moses (Exodus 31:13; Exodus 35:2).

FYI, matt 24:20 tells us about how rules were given for flight and that they should not raise the indignation of the Jews by travelling on that day. How is that a command for Christians to follow the law of sabbath.

Back to ur ques abt Sunday and d new covenant.

Of course, there are so many evidences why it has to be the first day of the week.

1. Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday - Mt 28:1; Mk 16:2,9; Lk 24:1; Jn 20:1

2. Jesus appeared to His disciples on Sunday - Jn 20:19

3. The church began on Pentecost, which was on a Sunday - Act 2:1-42

Nd many more. If u want me to give u reasons why it was nt on sabbath day, just ask me and I will give u.

Raymondfayowole
Why did Christ need to clarify he came to fulfill the old law if he was referring to the old law in v.19?

Except your definition of "fulfill" means "cease to exist", you should not have problem knowing the law in v.19 refers to that in v.17.
Jesus already said he didn't come to destroy the law (he never refer to the law as old). You claiming fulfilling the law now means it has been abandoned is the same as destroying it. Jesus does not contradict himself. Fulfill is used in that verse is the opposite of destroy, so if he's not come to destroy the law, definitely, he's come to establish it. It's as simple as that
Jesus and John "fulfilled all righteousness" at river Jordan (Matt 3:15), that didn't stop righteousness, instead we follow that act of baptism till date.
But Jesus fulfilled the law, we should not follow or obey.
Do we have two opposite meanings of the same word?

Raymondfayowole
...the sabbath law was never a command in the patriarchal dispensation

...neither was the other laws in the ten commandments: "thou shall not have no other gods, thou shall not make unto thee any graven image, thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain, honor thy parents, thou shall not kill, thou shall not commit adultery, thou shall not steal, thou shall not bear false witness, and thou shall not covet."
So I ask again, since "thou shall not kill" is not a written command in Cain's time, why was it wrong that he killed his brother?
Keeping the Sabbath is a reverence to HIM that created the heaven and earth (Gen 2:1-3, Exo 20:11). It is the day the Almighty set aside that we worship and fellowship with Him.
There's an express command: "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."
It is incumbent on you to produce a portion of the New Testament in which this command is expressly altered, not Jesus resurrection, or pentecost (which is a feast in the old testament).

DeOTR:

...neither was the other laws in the ten commandments: "thou shall not have no other gods, thou shall not make unto thee any graven image, thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain, honor thy parents, thou shall not kill, thou shall not commit adultery, thou shall not steal, thou shall not bear false witness, and thou shall not covet."
So I ask again, since "thou shall not kill" is not a written command in Cain's time, why was it wrong that he killed his brother?
Keeping the Sabbath is a reverence to HIM that created the heaven and earth (Gen 2:1-3, Exo 20:11). It is the day the Almighty set aside that we worship and fellowship with Him.
There's an express command: "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."
It is incumbent on you to produce a portion of the New Testament in which this command is expressly altered, not Jesus resurrection, or pentecost (which is a feast in the old testament).

I hope u know most of deut 5 talk abt d 10 commandments. I gave u v2 nd 3 stating clearing that sabbath day was codified into the 10 commandments as part of the sign of God's covenant wit the people of Isreal. If u dont dont understand this...I dont knw wat to say to u again oo. Read Eze 20:12 (pls read that bib pass. very important)

How is Exo 20:11, the time of the fathers? Please study bible very well before u disgrace ursef outside. FYI the Mosiac dispensation started in Exodus 20 nd ended with christ death on the cross.

If you want to give me a bible passage stating Sabbath day is a law and examples of anyone who observed the sabbathday pls give me from Exodus 19 backwards.

Do u need the 10 commandments to tell u dat killing ur brother is evil. Like seriously. Genesis 6:5 tells us about how evil has dominated the thoughts of man.

Killing is different from the sabbath which we r considering. There is nothing in Genesis which shows that God was giving an example of a 7th day rest for mankind to follow. Where in the Book of Genesis are there penalties for not resting on the 7th day of the week? There is not a syllable about any such thing. Had the Sabbath been a command, then punishment must have been connected with its disobedience. Yet nothing in Genesis shows any retribution for Sabbath breaking.

Quote me with bible passages stating otherwise.

DeOTR:

Except your definition of "fulfill" means "cease to exist", you should not have problem knowing the law in v.19 refers to that in v.17.
Jesus already said he didn't come to destroy the law (he never refer to the law as old). You claiming fulfilling the law now means it has been abandoned is the same as destroying it. Jesus does not contradict himself. Fulfill is used in that verse is the opposite of destroy, so if he's not come to destroy the law, definitely, he's come to establish it. It's as simple as that
Jesus and John "fulfilled all righteousness" at river Jordan (Matt 3:15), that didn't stop righteousness, instead we follow that act of baptism till date.
But Jesus fulfilled the law, we should not follow or obey.
Do we have two opposite meanings of the same word?

Hebrews 8:7,13
[7]For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
[13]In that He says, “A new covenant ,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Please check the meaning for the word obsolete before u quote me nxt time....I'm tired of repeating same tin over nd over again

Raymondfayowole

Go and learn the difference between law and covenant before you reply me.
While law is a set of rules that must be followed, a covenant is a pact between two parties.
Jesus brought about a new covenant, not a new law. He made that very clear in Matt. 5:17. How else do you want Him to tell you he's not doing away with the law (10 commandments) if not in the plain letters of Matt. 5:17?
1. Is the sabbath command not in the law?
2. Are the other 9 are still binding?
3. If so, who gave you the authority to tamper with the 4th?
Jesus and all His Apostles kept the sabbath, because that's what God wants.
Satan is seeking to CHANGE TIMES AND LAW (Dan 7:25). You belong to him if you follow his counterfeit SUNday.
Worship HIM that made heaven and earth (Exo 20:11,Rev 14:7).
Rev 14:12b: "here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND THE FAITH OF JESUS."
If God didn't spare Adam and Eve for eating just a fruit, he won't spare anyone who disobey any of His commandments (Matt 5:19).

DeOTR:

Go and learn the difference between law and covenant before you reply me.
While law is a set of rules that must be followed, a covenant is a pact between two parties.
Jesus brought about a new covenant, not a new law. He made that very clear in Matt. 5:17. How else do you want Him to tell you he's not doing away with the law (10 commandments) if not in the plain letters of Matt. 5:17?
1. Is the sabbath command not in the law?
2. Are the other 9 are still binding?
3. If so, who gave you the authority to tamper with the 4th?
Jesus and all His Apostles kept the sabbath, because that's what God wants.
Satan is seeking to CHANGE TIMES AND LAW (Dan 7:25). You belong to him if you follow his counterfeit SUNday.
Worship HIM that made heaven and earth (Exo 20:11,Rev 14:7).
Rev 14:12b: "here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND THE FAITH OF JESUS."
If God didn't spare Adam and Eve for eating just a fruit, he won't spare anyone who disobey any of His commandments (Matt 5:19).

I'm just laughing here. U agree there's a new covenant but same laws. Like seriously. Why shuld there b a new covenant if d first one is not faultless.

So study these bible passages before u disgrace ursef again...I knw u wont, that's y i will only drop d bible passages.

1. Exodus 19:5....What does it mean to "Keep my covenant" in that bible passage?

2. Deuteronomy 5:2-3...So the Lord made a covenant with the children of Isreal...Read frm v6 of Deut 5 down and tell me what the covenant entails.

3. Ezekiel 20:12...What was the sign of the old covenant? Sabbath right? Tell me Sabbath was not a law?

4. Hebrews 8:10... This tells us about a new what? A new covenant. So if the old covenant is nt binding why should d laws b binding?

Study those bible passages from no 1 to 4 and answer d questions before u try to separate covenant and laws. I will know if u dont read the bible passages.

Raymondfayowole
1. God commands His people to "remember the sabbath to keep it holy."
2. Jesus and His early followers kept the sabbath. You may search from Genesis to Revelation, you won't find a single verse replacing the sabbath with sunday worship.
3. Jesus declared He didn't come to destroy the law and He warned against breaking the law.
These are Bible evidence.
There are countless evidence that the Roman church changed the sabbath to sunday worship and yes, they've owned up to it. So you can save your breath trying to defend what's not.
If you can not explain why Jesus Christ and all His direct Disciples, including Paul kept the sabbath all their lives, -a law you claim is no more binding-, do me a favor and hold your peace.
Please don't tell me they kept it because of some reasons rather than obeying God's command. Neither Jesus, nor His Apostles are hypocrites. They do only what's right.
Why did they keep the sabbath and you don't have to?

Zoe99:
I don't think we should call it the Sabbath then because those who observe the Sabbath are not allowed to do any kind of work,light a fire (involves cooking) and leave their dwellings for any reason.It's okay to call it a holy day though.

It's a Shabbat and it is Holy. And you are not restricted from going out even though you are expected to sanctify that day in all manner of conversation.

DeOTR:
Raymondfayowole
1. God commands His people to "remember the sabbath to keep it holy."
2. Jesus and His early followers kept the sabbath. You may search from Genesis to Revelation, you won't find a single verse replacing the sabbath with sunday worship.
3. Jesus declared He didn't come to destroy the law and He warned against breaking the law.
These are Bible evidence.
There are countless evidence that the Roman church changed the sabbath to sunday worship and yes, they've owned up to it. So you can save your breath trying to defend what's not.
If you can not explain why Jesus Christ and all His direct Disciples, including Paul kept the sabbath all their lives, -a law you claim is no more binding-, do me a favor and hold your peace.
Please don't tell me they kept it because of some reasons rather than obeying God's command. Neither Jesus, nor His Apostles are hypocrites. They do only what's right.
Why did they keep the sabbath and you don't have to?

Who told u I was fighting for the Roman catholic.

I explained to u several times the purpose of the law, I told u dat the law of Moses was still in effect prior to the death of Christ. I told u that Paul utilized the Sabbath during his evangelistic efforts.

There is nothing to indicate that Jesus and his disciples extended the Sabbath to all nations. There is nothing in the apostolic practice and writings to suggest that the Sabbath was made a part of the New Covenant of Jesus Christ.

From your write up..it seem u r nt ready to learn...hv given u enough bible passages. But it seems u r reading a diff bible...so I'll leave u yourself..but free to practice whatever u want.....peace

Exodus 16:29 talks about not leaving one's dwelling place on the Sabbath.So,even those who go to church on that day are guilty of not observing the Sabbath.

donnie:


It's a Shabbat and it is Holy. And you are not restricted from going out even though you are expected to sanctify that day in all manner of conversation.

Colossians 2:16
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

Romans 14:5
"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."

Zoe99:
Exodus 16:29 talks about not leaving one's dwelling place on the Sabbath.So,even those who go to church on that day are guilty of not observing the Sabbath.

I don't go to church. I have Shabbat with my family and friends in my house. We eat good meal and share and have good fellowship.

Besides, people went to the temple on the shabbat, including Messiah and the apostles, so your assertions are incorrect.

Raymondfayowole:


Who told u I was fighting for the Roman catholic.

I explained to u several times the purpose of the law, I told u dat the law of Moses was still in effect prior to the death of Christ. I told u that Paul utilized the Sabbath during his evangelistic efforts.

Jesus and His Apostles actually kept the Sabbath, not Sunday. Paul didn't utilize the Sabbath, he kept it holy. There are instances where he had the opportunity to have a Sunday service, but no, it had to wait till the next Sabbath. The evidences are all over the new Testament.
Jesus and His Apostles are not hypocrites that teach one thing and do another. They do exactly what they preach. They kept the Sabbath as an example for us to follow. Jesus didn't come to destroy the law, but to establish it. Follow in His steps.

There is nothing to indicate that Jesus and his disciples extended the Sabbath to all nations. There is nothing in the apostolic practice and writings to suggest that the Sabbath was made a part of the New Covenant of Jesus Christ.

How else are you supposed to know you're to keep the Sabbath holy if not in the actions of Jesus and the Apostles? They didn't extend it to other nations you say? What about the Gentiles urging Paul to repeat his sermon to them the next Sabbath? (Acts 13:42). If Sabbath was not extended to other nations as you claim, why didn't Paul just preach the sermon just for the Gentiles the next day, being a Sunday?
Don't bother to answer. Sunday service was a strange practice in the time of the Apostles.

From your write up..it seem u r nt ready to learn...hv given u enough bible passages. But it seems u r reading a diff bible...so I'll leave u yourself..but free to practice whatever u want.....peace

Were you not born into a Sunday keeping family?
All your Bible passages didn't tell us the Sabbath is no longer needed. No where in the Bible is it stated that the fourth commandment, out of the ten, is no longer binding? So what is it to learn exactly? You should free your mind and learn instead.

Words from those who know far more than you can ever dream of :

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church

Priest Brady, in an address reported in The News, Elizabeth, New Jersey, March 18, 1903

Sunday is our mark of authority...the Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is a proof of that fact.

_Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.

Sunday is founded, not of Scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no Scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day the week, Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday, and leave Catholics in possession of Sunday.

_Catholic Records, September 17, 1893

DeOTR:

Jesus and His Apostles actually kept the Sabbath, not Sunday.

Stop being myopic and understand. U sounding like y dont want to learn and uve closed ur mind just to focus on one tin. Be open minded, read and understand before u quote me nxt tym.

The problem here is: Jesus, His Disciples and the Sabbath Day, right?

Your argument is that Paul didn't utilize the Sabbath, but he kept it holy.

My point is that Paul utilized the Sabbath during his evangelistic efforts. If u read Acts 13, starting from v6, u can see where he started preaching the word of God.

We den proceed to v14 we can see how Paul went into the synagogue and interjected after the reading of the Laws and Prophets and began to preach.

In v42, we see how the Gentiles begged that these words be preached to them the next sabbath. So u conclude here that by coming to preach the next sabbath, he was following the law of sabbath. Like seriously?

The concluding part of chapter 13 tells us how the Jews were envy because of the crowd Paul and Barnabas were able to gather. They began to oppose his teachings, and expelled Paul and Barnabas from that region.

If that is your definition of keeping the sabbath day holy. I will take u back to the law of Sabbath and what u must not do in order to keep it holy.

Exodus 31:14
[14]You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.

I'm nt sure u understand the law of sabbath sef.

DeOTR:

How else are you supposed to know you're to keep the Sabbath holy if not in the actions of Jesus and the Apostles? They didn't extend it to other nations you say? What about the Gentiles urging Paul to repeat his sermon to them the next Sabbath? (Acts 13:42). If Sabbath was not extended to other nations as you claim, why didn't Paul just preach the sermon just for the Gentiles the next day, being a Sunday?
Don't bother to answer. Sunday service was a strange practice in the time of the Apostles.

Were you not born into a Sunday keeping family?
All your Bible passages didn't tell us the Sabbath is no longer needed. No where in the Bible is it stated that the fourth commandment, out of the ten, is no longer binding? So what is it to learn exactly? You should free your mind and learn instead.

Words from those who know far more than you can ever dream of :

Priest Brady, in an address reported in The News, Elizabeth, New Jersey, March 18, 1903

_Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.

_Catholic Records, September 17, 1893

First, I'm always eager to learn new things, that's y m having this wit u.

I explained to u earlier that the Gentiles were astonished by the teachings and begged that paul come the next sabbath to preach again. It does nt in anyway tells us that paul was following the law of sabbath.

It is clearly expressed both explicitly and implicitly that Christians assembled on the first day of the week. Ac 20:7; 1Co 16:1-2

Show me in the scriptures where preaching is a sign of keeping the sabbath day holy. The bible clearly states no work shall be done in order to keep the sabbath holy. Ur word vs the bible

Since u decided to go back in time, I will also go back in time and bring words from those who know far more than you can ever dream of and far more than those u even quoted:

"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead". The Epistle of Barnabas, 15:6-8, 100 AD

"And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits..."First Apology of Justin, Weekly Worship of the Christians, Ch. 68, 150 AD

So, 1903 and 100AD

Do the maths.

DeOTR:

No where in the Bible is it stated that the fourth commandment, out of the ten, is no longer binding? So what is it to learn exactly? You should free your mind and learn instead.

Paul taught that the Law of Moses, including the Sabbath, had come to an end:

1. That Jews died to the Law when they became Christians. Ro 7:4-7

2. That Jesus ended the Law with its ordinances through His death - Ep 2:13-16; Col 2:14

3. That the Law and ordinances like the Sabbath and circumcision should not be bound on others, especially Gentiles - Col 2:16-17; Ga 5:1-4

4. That a new, superior covenant had replaced the old - 2Co 3:6-11; cf. He 8:6-13; 9:15

I told u LOVE is the fulfilling of the old law. If I decide to show love to my neighbor, does that mean I'm following the "10 commandments". I did it becos I wanted, becos I felt the need to show love, becos I wont have something and allow my frnd suffer. I don't need the 10 commandments to tell me that.

This is the kind of love that is different from the old. The Jews will never show love to the Gentile.

Remember the parable of the good Samaritan? The priest came, the Levite also came, but they all looked and passed away. Is that the kind of love u r practising?

Do u need the 10 commandments before u can love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and also love your neighbor as yourself?