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jaephoenix:
How much does Fireman pay you? I can pay you double to get a better job

who are you and why are you lying on a man of God, Dr sign fireman hilled me and my brother, Dr SIGN FIREMAN is an Angel, just come to our church and see your self, stop saying what you don't know, thier is punishment in heaven for this lies you saying about our father ok.

Leader92:
Read my last post on this matter, you have not clarified your stance on learning from another human vessel, also on why Elisha called Elijah father, why you called your fatger father and your teacher teacher. I need clear answers please.

Like I said in my other post, the old Covenant allowed for so many things. But since we are of the New Covenant(the old Covenant still exists for the people of Israel though) much of the old has been tossed out for us. So, we do as Jesus Christ commanded, and not as Elisha did.

Matthew 11 vs 27-30 (ESV)
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27. All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
28. Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

Jesus Christ, just as God did in the Old covenant, proclaimed that all those who love Him will obey His teachings, Not the teachings of men, but His teachings

John 14 vs 23-24 (ERV)
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23. Jesus answered, “All who love me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them. My Father and I will come to them and live with them.
24. But anyone who does not love me does not obey my teaching. This teaching that you hear is not really mine. It is from my Father who sent me.

As for learning from other human beings? I don't understand why you ask me that. I came to God by learning from God Himself. I had to toss out ALL I had learnt from other human beings(Become like a child as Jesus Christ commanded)- all the doctrines and traditions of men, I had to rid my mind of-- in order that I could be able to learn from God Himself.

Matthew 14 vs 23-24
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23. Then he said, “The truth is, you must change your thinking and become like little children. If you don’t do this, you will never enter God’s kingdom.
24. The greatest person in God’s kingdom is the one who makes himself humble like this child.

I have no reason to want to dirty my mind up again with man's wisdom as far as God and the things of God are concerned.

Leader92:
I took my time to give scriptures so I dont speak from my opinion but scriptural truths.
Please, respect the conversation and give scriptures not your opinion.

There

Nike2015:
Sorry, I forgot. A junkie! Ha, so I have been talking to an idiot all this while? Thank you for spotting that out. God bless you.

Yes, I am a knowledge junkie... hence the reference to the Kobo(a book reader). What are you?

Kobojunkie:
But that is where wisdom comes in and says, wait a second.... If God is true, and His word is truth, then it is not that the Bible is truth but that the WORD OF GOD, CONTAINED IN THE BIBLE, IS HIS TRUTH.

Jesus Christ Himself gave us the clue, but we did not see it, did we?
Yes, only the word that is designated as coming from God, either through His Prophets or through His very own WORD, is indeed TRUTH. I quote Paul when I say let man be liar and God be true.
In the old Covenanent, there were MOGs, God himself installed many of them. But as far as the new Covenant is concerned, God instituted a changing of the guards.

As far as Jesus Christ is concerned, I can established that MOG refers to men/women who, in direct disobedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, install themselves in positions of power contrary to His teachings, i.e. Spiritual leaders/ Spiritual fathers/ Teachers/Prophets/Authorities/Rabbis/Guides/Helpers over God's people, assuming the place of God in the lives of those who belong to God, twisting his truth and words to create for themselves doctrines and traditions, which are far from the very teachings of Jesus Christ.
As for Paul, I don't have answers as to why his writings seem to stand in direct contradiction to many of God's teachings. It's been about 2000 years. The man's work could have been tampered with during that period, at least that is what I am leaning towards.
I don't believe the opinon of any man, not even Jeremiah. I believe in God though and I trust that God is indeed able to ensure that His word is correctly propagated from generation to generation, age to age. Yes, Test His word to find out for yourself. That is what I did and that is how I learnt what I know now. I went straight to ask Him to prove Himself and He did just that.

Okay like so, how did you ask him? In the dream or in real life?

Dominicsf:
Beloved it's probably because you're judgemental. I can't accept your none scriptural baseless points. The fact that your Jehovah witness man of God can't cure migraine you shouldn't jump to the conclusion that no other man of God can. Jesus said you can judge but make righteous judgement. John 7:27 Read for yourself. Class dismiss! And by the way I'm going to reply this below � �

What's with the rambling? A Jehovah witness? Who? Where? You?

Candy9960:
So wait, "Paul was simply a follower of Jesus Christ,* a man.* So, in the words of Paul, Let man be a liar and God be true!" You are now calling Jesus a liar?!!! Wow!!!

Huh?

Candy9960:
Okay like so, how did you ask him? In the dream or in real life?

Like what's wrong with you? How do you seperate the Bible and the Word of God? What is the Bible then?

Candy9960:
Okay like so, how did you ask him? In the dream or in real life?

Penny, I am waiting for your reply o

Candy9960:
'Heck, even John the apostle stated that the only Teacher we need is the Spirit of God' and just earlier you said the word of God refutes what Paul said. This does it. You are a fool. Full stop. End of story.

Huh?

Nike2015:
Any doctrine or teaching that is not backed up by the word of God is false. Jesus is the word and a true word is from the Bible. My Spiritual Father ( Dr. Sign Fireman ) teaches in line with scripture and he even gives you time to check it and understand it. And by the way ode, Jesus was not in the old testament.

Again this is what Jesus Christ Commanded as far as that.

Matthew 23 vs 8-12
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8. But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.[c]
9. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
10. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.
11. The greatest among you shall be your servant.
12. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

Will you obey Jesus Christ or will you not? You decide!

Candy9960:
Okay like so, how did you ask him? In the dream or in real life?

In real life of course

Kobojunkie:
Oh, He didn't leave. He left for you the very SPirit that lived inside of Him while He was here on earth to lead you/Guide /Comfort/Counsel/Teach/Help you in All things.

You just contradicted yourself with first two sentences. Jesus is not earth.


The Spirit of God is set to act on behalf of Jesus Christ. So, even though you saw His body go, His SPirit is still here living in the bodies of all those who are His followers, those who obey his commandments.[/quote]Again, you just said He left. We are talking about jesus' wereabout not the HolySpirit.

It's ok. I don't need to know what leadership means according to you but I do know that Jesus Christ commanded His followers never to set themselves up as leaders/authorities of any kind as far as His kingdom/flock is concerned.[/quote]Jesus by himself choose 12 disciples for Himself and called them Apostles (the highest leadership position In the body of Christ eph 4:11). Your claims is wrong, Jesus cannot be wrong.


I know your MOGs relish the power they command in this, even though in blatant disobedience to the very commandment that Jesus Christ has set for us all.[/quote].

Dr Sign Fireman called to be an Apostle, like Peter, paul and the rest in the bible. There is no disobedience in answering a call, rather it's obedience.

Candy9960:
Like what's wrong with you? How do you seperate the Bible and the Word of God? What is the Bible then?

It is a book written in the language of men, but unlike every other book, it happens to contain the Word of Truth, as well as the words of men.

Candy9960:
Okay like so, how did you ask him? In the dream or in real life?

Are you saying the people in the Bible that were referred to as Men of God are the disobedient ones or the person that wrote the scripture and referred to them as Men of God is the disobedient one? Which one?

Kobojunkie:
And when you say the word of God, what do you refer to? The Bible or Jesus Christ?

The Word of God is not Jesus Christ!

If you don't have that little bit of discernment then you should stop going to the church you're currently being fed at. Cause my comments/reactions isn't super spiritual stuff I'm posting here, which I expect any baby Christian like you to know. These are not grey areas they're clear in black and white in the Bible.

Kobojunkie:
In real life of course

Kobojunkie:
Again this is what Jesus Christ Commanded as far as that.

Will you obey Jesus Christ or will you not? You decide!

John 21: 15-17 Jesus told Peter ( a human like Dr sign Fireman) to feed his sheep ( like me and you, except you choose to be a goat).

Jesus Himself made that statement and established the fact that the body of Christ should have shepherd (pastors) and flocks under them.

If you don't agree to what Jesus established in the scripture, which Paul did not write, coz I know you don't follow Paul, them you are the lier and false teacher.

It takes only God to perform this Miracles.. Glory be to God

Leader92:
Again, you just said He left. We are talking about jesus' wereabout not the HolySpirit.

Yes,

John 14 vs 23-24 (ERV)
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23. Jesus answered, “All who love me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them. My Father and I will come to them and live with them.
24. But anyone who does not love me does not obey my teaching. This teaching that you hear is not really mine. It is from my Father who sent me.

Jesus Christ Himself said He and the Father will make their homes inside of those who are His. So?

Leader92:
Jesus by himself choose 12 disciples for Himself and called them Apostles (the highest leadership position In the body of Christ eph 4:11). Your claims is wrong, Jesus cannot be wrong.

Jesus Christ did not write the letters compiled in your book, ephesians. What Jesus Christ said of authority is

Matthew 20 vs 24-28 (ESV)
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24. The other ten followers heard this and were angry with the two brothers.
25. So Jesus called the followers together. He said, “You know that the rulers of the non-Jewish people love to show their power over the people. And their important leaders love to use all their authority over the people.
26. But it should not be that way with you. Whoever wants to be your leader must be your servant.
27. Whoever wants to be first must serve the rest of you like a slave.
28. Do as I did: The Son of Man did not come for people to serve him. He came to serve others and to give his life to save many people.”

He commands that none of His followers(disciples) engage in such.

Leader92:
Dr Sign Fireman called to be an Apostle, like Peter, paul and the rest in the bible. There is no disobedience in answering a call, rather it's obedience.

There is no call that gives any follower of Jesus Christ, not even those you wish to pretend are placed higher above the rest, any authority to lead others in His flock. Jesus Christ is the Head, and everyone else is a part of His body with no part more equal or higher than the others.

I love that about the man of God Dr. Sign Fireman. The word of God in the scriptures should be the final authority on any subject matter for the believer.

Leader92:
John 21: 15-17 Jesus told Peter ( a human like Dr sign Fireman) to feed his sheep ( like me and you, except you choose to be a goat).

Jesus Himself made that statement and established the fact that the body of Christ should have shepherd (pastors) and flocks under them.

If you don't agree to what Jesus established in the scripture, which Paul did not write, coz I know you don't follow Paul, them you are the lier and false teacher.

Candy9960:
Are you saying the people in the Bible that were referred to as Men of God are the disobedient ones or the person that wrote the scripture and referred to them as Men of God is the disobedient one? Which one?

Again, this has never been about a mere title but about the roles occupied by these men, as compared to what God stipulated in His covenant.

frankdavidson:
The Word of God is not Jesus Christ!

Well, for me, Jesus Christ is the Word of God.

[b][/b] Am a witness... I saw the Miracles with my two eyes..

[/color] In Dr. Sign Fireman meetings, Miracles happen with ease..

[color=#000099] Come and see for yourself.
Again, if you don't have a problem, go and borrow.

You have a really big issue and you need to deal with that.

Kobojunkie:
Yes,
Jesus Christ Himself said He and the Father will make their homes inside of those who are His. So?
Jesus Christ did not write the letters compiled in your book, ephesians. What Jesus Christ said of authority is He commands that none of His followers(disciples) engage in such.
There is no call that gives any follower of Jesus Christ, not even those you wish to pretend are placed higher above the rest, any authority to lead others in His flock. Jesus Christ is the Head, and everyone else is a part of His body with no part more equal or higher than the others.

Kobojunkie:
But that is where wisdom comes in and says, wait a second.... If God is true, and His word is truth, then it is not that the Bible is truth but that the WORD OF GOD, CONTAINED IN THE BIBLE, IS HIS TRUTH.

Jesus Christ Himself gave us the clue, but we did not see it, did we?
Yes, only the word that is designated as coming from God, either through His Prophets or through His very own WORD, is indeed TRUTH. I quote Paul when I say let man be liar and God be true.
In the old Covenanent, there were MOGs, God himself installed many of them. But as far as the new Covenant is concerned, God instituted a changing of the guards.

As far as Jesus Christ is concerned, I can established that MOG refers to men/women who, in direct disobedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, install themselves in positions of power contrary to His teachings, i.e. Spiritual leaders/ Spiritual fathers/ Teachers/Prophets/Authorities/Rabbis/Guides/Helpers over God's people, assuming the place of God in the lives of those who belong to God, twisting his truth and words to create for themselves doctrines and traditions, which are far from the very teachings of Jesus Christ.


As for Paul, I don't have answers as to why his writings seem to stand in direct contradiction to many of God's teachings. It's been about 2000 years. The man's work could have been tampered with during that period, at least that is what I am leaning towards.
I don't believe the opinon of any man, not even Jeremiah. I believe in God though and I trust that God is indeed able to ensure that His word is correctly propagated from generation to generation, age to age. Yes, Test His word to find out for yourself. That is what I did and that is how I learnt what I know now. I went straight to ask Him to prove Himself and He did just that.

After reading this reply, here's what you mean.

1. by saying "If God is true, and His word is truth, then it is not that the Bible is truth but that the WORD OF GOD, CONTAINED IN THE BIBLE, IS HIS TRUTH" you mean that some things in the Bible are lies, yes or no?

2. By saying "But as far as the new Covenant is concerned, God instituted a changing of the guards", it means that God no longer speaks through Man again but by himself. You statement means that God will come down and do evangelism by Himself or Preach to the body of Christ by Himself, or teach by Himself because you said He His the only teacher, you said in Jeremiah 31 that we don't need man to teach us.

3. In your third paragraph, you said MOGs install themselves in direct disobedience to the teachings of Jesus. He (Jesus ) called the "12" apostles, does it mean he does not practice what He teaches or you are the one twisting His teachings? Infact, the Apostles appointed another apostle to replace Judas after Jesus had aacended. Who is lieing here, you or the apostles?

4. Your last paragraph, you said you don't believe in the opinion of man but the word of God. Here's what you don't under understand, every word of God you ever read about came through a Man, even in our dispensation via prophecy. If God didn't want it that way, He would just speak to everyone personally, there will be no need for preachers or prophets from old to the new convenant. Once you are born, God would just download everything your head, no need for church or the body of Christ.
Eph 4:11-13 say the body of Christ needs edification (building up) by the positions( apostles, prophets e.t.c) in verse 11 until we come to the "knowledge" ( meaning we lack the full knowledge )of Christ.

Leader92:
John 21: 15-17 Jesus told Peter ( a human like Dr sign Fireman) to feed his sheep ( like me and you, except you choose to be a goat).

Well, that is a commandment to ALL followers of Jesus Christ, not some of them. For you see, those are the works of righteousness that every believer ought to be busy doing, as Lead of course by God Himself, with. Because that is the only way to enter His Kingdom at the end. Obedience!
So that instruction is to all followers of Jesus Christ, not just to your "special people" or MOGs

Leader92:
Jesus Himself made that statement and established the fact that the body of Christ should have shepherd (pastors) and flocks under them.

We are each expected to feed the sheep/take care of the sheep, if we want to enter His kingdom. So it is not a special duty for special people but a commandment to all of us, followers of Jesus christ.

Matthew 25 vs 31-40 (ESV)
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31. “The Son of Man will come again with divine greatness, and all his angels will come with him. He will sit as king on his great and glorious throne.
32. All the people of the world will be gathered before him. Then he will separate everyone into two groups. It will be like a shepherd separating his sheep from his goats.
33. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34. “Then the king will say to the godly people on his right, ‘Come, my Father has great blessings for you. The kingdom he promised is now yours. It has been prepared for you since the world was made.
35. It is yours because when I was hungry, you gave me food to eat. When I was thirsty, you gave me something to drink. When I had no place to stay, you welcomed me into your home.
36. When I was without clothes, you gave me something to wear. When I was sick, you cared for me. When I was in prison, you came to visit me.’
37. “Then the godly people will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and give you food? When did we see you thirsty and give you something to drink?
38. When did we see you with no place to stay and welcome you into our home? When did we see you without clothes and give you something to wear?
[b] 39. When did we see you sick or in prison and care for you?’
40. “Then the king will answer, ‘The truth is, anything you did for any of my people here,[b] you also did for me.’
41. “Then the king will say to the evil people on his left, ‘Get away from me. God has already decided that you will be punished. Go into the fire that burns forever—the fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels.
42. You must go away because when I was hungry, you gave me nothing to eat. When I was thirsty, you gave me nothing to drink.
43. When I had no place to stay, you did not welcome me into your home. When I was without clothes, you gave me nothing to wear. When I was sick and in prison, you did not care for me.’
44. “Then those people will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty? When did we see you without a place to stay? Or when did we see you without clothes or sick or in prison? When did we see any of this and not help you?’
45. “The king will answer, ‘The truth is, anything you refused to do for any of my people here, you refused to do for me.’
46. “Then these evil people will go away to be punished forever. But the godly people will go and enjoy eternal life.”

Leader92:
If you don't agree to what Jesus established in the scripture, which Paul did not write, coz I know you don't follow Paul, them you are the lier and false teacher.

I agree with everything that Jesus Christ established as far as His new Covenant is concerned. Jesus Christ did not establish Scripture for you - nowhere in scripture were you informed that He did any such thing.
Also, If you don't follow Paul, then why are you stuck on Paul?

Kobojunkie:
I don't know what Paul was referring to in his letter. I am not a follower of Paul, I am a follower of Jesus Christ. And since God spoke of His new Covenant through His prophets, and then we see that when the New Covenant arrived, He indeed validated the word that He, God had spoken to us through the prophets of the Old Covenant. And He is the word out of God's own mouth.. so whose report will you believe? God or man?

Kobojunkie:
I don't know what Paul was referring to in his letter. I am not a follower of Paul, I am a follower of Jesus Christ. And since God spoke of His new Covenant
through His prophets, and then we see that when the New Covenant arrived, He indeed validated the word that He, God had spoken to us through the prophets of the Old Covenant. And He is the word out of God's own mouth.. so whose report will you believe? God or man?

You are not a follower of paul, you are a follower of Jesus Christ, was apostle Paul not called by God to preach the word of God or are you confused? what the apostle preached to the people, was it not the revelation that the almighty God gave apostle Paul and when the people did not follow the teachings of apostle Paul, or are you insinuating that the people did no wrong? knowing very well that everything apostle Paul taught the people was from God, God put leaders above us to guide us according to his will for his glory, Don't come and start saying nonsense like you don't have any exposure or education, think before you talk.

Favor31:
You are not a follower of paul, you are a follower of Jesus Christ, was apostle Paul not called by God to preach the word of God or are you confused?

I am not a necromancer, nor am I a mind reader of some sort.

Favor31:
what the apostle preached to the people, was it not the revelation that the almighty God gave apostle Paul

What apostle?

Favor31:
and when the people did not follow the teachings of apostle Paul, or are you insinuating that the people did no wrong?

The teachings that Paul was supposed to preach was the Teachings of Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone.

Favor31:
knowing very well that everything apostle Paul taught the people was from God,

From what we have been able to gather even here on this thread, not everything that is written in paul's epistles today is as God taught.

Favor31:
God put leaders above us to guide us according to his will for his glory, Don't come and start saying nonsense like you don't have any exposure or education, think before you talk.

God put NO BODY above anybody as far as His New Covenant is concerned. The only leader is Himself... Yes, God made Himself the seal of His New Covenant, The SPirit of God is God Himself to lead and direct us all from within. No man should take that position in the lives of those who follow Jesus Christ. That is what the New Covenant is all about.

Are you reading carefully what everyone is posting at all? Tell me of one thing that everyone posted Beré that is not factually correct everything everyone is saying they're 100% correct. Don't be a reprobate

Kobojunkie:
Well, that is a commandment to ALL followers of Jesus Christ, not some of them. For you see, those are the works of righteousness that every believer ought to be busy doing, as Lead of course by God Himself, with. Because that is the only way to enter His Kingdom at the end. Obedience!
So that instruction is to all followers of Jesus Christ, not just to your "special people" or MOGs

We are each expected to feed the sheep/take care of the sheep, if we want to enter His kingdom. So it is not a special duty for special people but a commandment to all of us, followers of Jesus christ.

I agree with everything that Jesus Christ established as far as His new Covenant is concerned. Jesus Christ did not establish Scripture for you - nowhere in scripture were you informed that He did any such thing.
Also, If you don't follow Paul, then why are you stuck on Paul?

Dr. Sign Fireman was called and anointed by God for raw miracles. I have been to his crusades countless times and I can boldly say it with my chest he is the only man of God that can help Christianity in this end time.

Don't be sooooo readily quick to judge. You don't know the man of God. Or do you know Dr. Sign Fireman? I guess the answer is “NO” Dr. Sign Fireman is a very humble man of God. I am truly grateful for his ministry. I always feel the presence of God and the move of the Holy Spirit everytime I'm in his meetings/crusades. It stirs my faith in a deeper level. Thank you Jesus ��� Stop this condemnation against the church of God. It makes your faith appear SO hypocritical. Don't be quick to jump into conclusion of what you know nothing about.

Kobojunkie:
Yes,
Jesus Christ Himself said He and the Father will make their homes inside of those who are His. So?
Jesus Christ did not write the letters compiled in your book, ephesians. What Jesus Christ said of authority is He commands that none of His followers(disciples) engage in such.
There is no call that gives any follower of Jesus Christ, not even those you wish to pretend are placed higher above the rest, any authority to lead others in His flock. Jesus Christ is the Head, and everyone else is a part of His body with no part more equal or higher than the others.

If you say Jesus Christ did not right the letters in Ephesians, please tell us which book or letter Jesus wrote by Himself?

Respect yourself and answer straight and with scriptures please. If you can I'll believe every thing you have written on this thread. Thanks