WizzyVine:


Why cut off the quoted scriptures?

Liar!! Paul never said he and Appolos are one. Please quote that scripture here directly. Who do you want to deceive?

Paul's discourse about Appolos is found in 1Cor. 1 and 3. Point the verse that says Paul and Appolos are one.

I quoted scriptures that directly stated that Jesus Christ is God ( Romans 9:4-5), you cut off those scriptures and substituted them for lies. This shows that you are not looking for the truth, you are only looking for someone to deceive.

Blabbermouth:
The likes of Moses, Abraham, Joshua, Isaiah, Elijah, Enoch and the rest.... Seeing that they were before Christ paid the price for Sin and brought Salvation. Also, we do have a trusted account of Jesus saying;
"Except a man be born of the spirit and of water, he cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven"
Are they (Moses, Elijah, Enoch, Joshua etc) saved? If so, how were they saved?

haddeylium:




You still didn't answer the question
It's still there

I'll answer yours
Trinitarians have stopped the usage of that verse in support of their belief after they learnt the truth behind it. So, they left you. Sad


John 17:
21that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us: that the world may believe that thou didst send me.
22And I have given to them the glory that you have given to me, that they may be one as we are one:

That they may be one (just as) we are one
'That they may also be in us'

Do Jesus’ disciples become part of the Trinity?

Of course they are one in essence of being United in purpose just as Jehovah and Jesus are are in agreement as being one(1cor 1:10)

Do you now see how grossly the dogma of the trinity misinterpret the word of God?
Is the truth setting you free now?

solite3:







@ bolded


Luke 1:32
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

It means that Jesus was never the son of God before the announcement, since the angel announced that Jesus [b]shall be called the son of the highest[/b].

Same language with Isaiah 9vv6.

WizzyVine:



Hahahaha, laughable.

We believers are one with Christ. We are the body of Christ, and Christ is the Head of the body.

I Cor. 12:27
Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.

Colossians 1:18

"And he is the head of the body, the church..."

These are spiritual things far removed from the understanding of canal men who use logic to find spiritual truth.

WizzyVine:


Twist the scriptures as you wish. The same Greek and Hebrew manuscripts are they that told you that Jesus Christ is Michael.

The Gospel of John chapter 1 corroborates Romans 9:4-5, in that it says "The Word was God." Isaiah 9:6 says the Virgin born Son is the Everlasting Father, the Mighty God.

What are my trying hard to sell? The truth of those scriptures isn't hidden. They were written in plain language which you and your cronies are trying so hard to twist.

Another hard sell

Your Everlasting Father says himself is subject in heaven to his Father & God
John 20:17. Rev3: 5,12

Deal with it.

Janosky:


Bros, you have seen the evidence that Bible translators who are Trinitarians said you are being Dubious to Falsely claim Romans 9:5 for Trinity.

Bros, You saw the evidence that Revised Standard Version' and Moffat Bible translations, both Trinitarian Scholars & others are refuting your claim.

Also, whether you like am or not, God no make mistake. Therefore, Paul an inspired man moved by Yahweh's holy spirit can not make mistake to contradict himself or the holy scriptures.

Your Romans 9:5, must agree with Romans 8:3,32, 2 Corinthians 11:31, Ephesians 1:3. 4:6,
Ephesians 3:14-15, 1 Corinthians 11:1,3.

Bros, do you want more?
Go check out all Paul's writing in your Bible , Contrary to your claim @ Romans 9:5, Paul will NEVER contradict himself or the holy scriptures

Stop deceiving yourself making spurious claim.

Paul and Appolos are one, Paul said so.
see am now

1 Corinthians 3:6-8
King James Version
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

haddeylium:


For me to understand you...
Give answers to these

(Heb1;9)You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you[b] above your companions[/b] by anointing you with the oil of joy."


Who is Jesus' God?
Who are his companion that God annoited him above?
Why the need to be anointed?
Give ur answers and we move

Janosky:


Another hard sell

Your Everlasting Father says himself is subject in heaven to his Father & God
John 20:17. Rev3: 5,12

Deal with it.

Janosky:


According to Wizzyvine, his God @ Romans 9:5 anointed himself above his companion ,peers @ Hebrews1:9, whereas Almighty God has no equal nor peers.



Trinity Delusion shuts down their God given thought processes

Janosky:

Where is your honesty?
See your claim:
"Christ is one with God". you mean Christ is God.

Now apply the same spiritual logic of your spiritual mind to your claim
Wizzyvine is one with Christ. Meaning Wizzyvine is Christ/God.

Bros, you can't shift this your goalpost.

Maximus69:


Please Mr/Mrs/Miss Csonice1, if you want to be an effective preacher and teacher of God's word you must be efficient in driving home your point with scriptures.
I can see that you love God but the knowledge to work for him is not there, if you continue with this of course you will get people who will surely tell you they believe in Jesus but the truth is they will sooner or later drop off from the journey you think you're embarking on. Why? Because you never reached their hearts, they're just giving what you told them a trial perhaps what they want will be gotten and since it's not working the way they expected they will walk away!

So let's reason together perhaps you will know exactly what i am asking.

Is Jehovah and Jesus the same person?

Please try as much as possible to be brief and few scriptures will do!

Scriptures=
Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

Scriptures=
Revelation 1:19
Write the things which thou hast seen[previously], and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

WizzyVine:


I saw no evidence. There are so many scriptures pointing to Christ's Godship, not Romans 9;4-5 alone.

Philippians 2:5-6:

You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.

John 20:27
Then he said to Thomas,
“Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Acts 20:28

Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.


Refute all the above scriptures. Tell the comma and fullstop stories again, and get your Moffat screenshots. There are still more coming. I'll be back.

Why have you allowed the devil to fill your heart with falsehood? If we worship an angel, then, we are idol worshippers. The only Person worthy of our worship is God.

The fact you can't refute..
Bros, John 14:28, John 20:27, Jesus Christ says twisted version of your Phil 2:6 is a Fraud
Phillipians2:6 "He was God" is a fraudulent addition in that verse
"In the form of God" is the accurate rendition
I will prove it.

WizzyVine:


That's where you err. You can't see that Jesus is God in Spirit and man in flesh. You can't come to the basic truth of scripture.

1Timothy 3:16

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, [/b]justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Hallelujah!!!

WizzyVine:


No wonder, you guys use logic to interpret the things of the spiri That's why you are filled with heresy. I am one with Christ but I am not Christ because I didn't pre-exist as Christ before becoming a man. However, my oneness with Christ gives me authority over Satan to put him where he belongs. Christ's being one with the Father is in the sense that it was the Father Himself who manifested Himself as the Son:

1Timothy 3:16

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, [/b]justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Which goalpost have I shifted? .

WizzyVine:


I saw no evidence.

Janosky:
First and foremost, the content and context of Luke 1:32 justify it.

Janosky:
Who is giving Jesus that throne?

Janosky:
The same Greek Scriptures says NWT is correct.
Luke 8:28, Mark 5:7.

Janosky:
Whenever you hear the Most High, what comes to your mind?

Janosky:
Why have you never raise dust about the extended version of Matthew 6:13?

WizzyVine:


We don't worship a name, we worship a person.

Today I realized that not all Christians are actually Christians. True Christians worship Jesus, fake Christians worship Michael.

Csonice1:

Alright.

Jehovah (YHW) is the name of God; one out of the multifaceted Name of God.
"I AM THAT I AM"

Jesus is the son: the Word of God. of whom it was recorded in John1:1 that He was God. Philippians2:5-11 bore witness that he was equal to the Father but he laid down every right to the throne and became a servant, a man, a mortal; And how the glory of the throne was entrusted to Him Again.

Now, in Matthew chapter28:18 when he had been re-entrusted with the Glory of the throne, the glory that he had with the Father in the beginning (John17:5), He declared it to the brethren. That Name is Lord (YHW); that Name is the Name of one who sat on The throne; That Name is God. That Name is the Name Jehovah. Alpha-Omega, That Name is The King of kings and the Lord of lords. That Name is represented by his name on Earth: Jesus. That Name was declared by a disciple after an encounter with Christ
[ref. John20:28. ]

That Name is the Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Three persons in one God.



Time will fail me to elaborate on the dispensations, and why Christ is called the Everlasting Father ancient of Days, amongst all his Name. (Isaiah 9:6). but if you are okay with it, we can discuss them.

But note that the Bible is a compendium of events; that have happened from the beginning, Events happening now and the Events that will happen after, till eternity; each one of them has a unique significance; Revelations 1:19 gives us a glimpse of the principle with which the scriptures were written; ie according to the dispensations [with respect to times].




It's only the Author of Scriptures that can teach us what the word says.( John16:13; 2peter1:20,21)
Only then are we able [through study] to rightly divide the Word of Truth (2Timothy2:15); According to the things that were, the things that are and the things that will be here after.

DappaD:


I'm an engineer not a lawyer!

Acehart:


Hello engineer. Why is a lawyer the Minister of Power and Works in your country? Why isn’t anyone from the NSE qualified for the job? Maybe lawyers are better than engineers in Nigeria because they are more knowledgeable and are willing to read and expand.

No man will ever be saved by the preaching of doctrine of the trinity or unity. If one glories in the belief of the trinity or the unitary of God, he glories in a vain thing. John 3:16 didn’t have as an addendum a clause stating that the belief of the trinity or unitary is necessary for salvation. (Praise the Lord). However, the right belief is necessary so that our joy may be full. We differ in doctrine, because we are members of the House of God - strangers don’t bicker endlessly.

God is omnipotent, we all agree. If God is omnipotent, does He have the power to change His celestial nature to a terrestrial nature? If God is just, can He judge the whole world if He is not objective? I mean: can He rightly judge anyone if He has not got all the facts and evidence, to see things for Himself? How can He get these facts if He would not come down in bodily form just as He did to Sodom and Gomorrah?

Please, answer these questions.

Blabbermouth:
With the Old testament only, proof that Jesus was "Divinity become Humanity"

If you are a witness, proof (with the old testament only) that Jesus was " Angel become Human"

Janosky:

Stop deceiving yourselves

Galatians 4:4
But when the fullness of the time came, God sent out his Son, born to a woman....


The scriptures can not be broken

Maximus69:


First of all, you need to know that the Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient concept is false, so it doesn't apply to our own God!

Our own God CAN'T go against his own standard because he always wants to prove himself to be a just God so he always make sure he doesn't do anything that contradicts his own rules. That's why he is not Omnipotent in the way you claim yours is!

Secondly regarding the case of Sodom and Gomorrah, it was an angel who represented God that visited Abraham and went down to destroy those cities NOT God himself! Sir!

Maximus69:


Good morning!

First of all our own God has just one single name "JEHOVAH"

All others are descriptions to help us know more about him!

Secondly his Son is not the Ancient of Days that title belongs to the Father not the Son.

The title Everlasting Father means our newly adopted father who will last forever unlike Adam who died and transferred sin and death to all his descendants, Jesus (our newly adopted father) will redeem us from sin and death so we can live forever because he lives!

Acehart:


I saw your slur last night. After your derogatory language aimed at me, do you expect me to read your message? I said to myself, oh! It’s the ‘commander of the armies of the north’, what good does he have?

In my opinion, I don’t think you are saved; I also think you are not intelligent; I also believe that demonstration of the spirit isn’t in enticing words but is demonstrated in the power of one’s life - yours isn’t exemplary as I see you as divisive and cunning. You may respond to me like you do to some people by doing a copy-and-paste from jw.org’s ‘frequently asked questions’ answers but your bile is sequestered in them.

P.S.:I didn’t read your comment. So you know where I stand regarding you. I have been to the Kingdom Hall in the last two years, I would go when God allows me to. I read the Awake because I like them; so you know that I am not biased towards the JW. My life is too short for me to be partisan; if I must be dogmatic, so let it be but I will not be partisan.

Csonice1:


we will discuss this at length later in the day.
but are you absolutely sure that your last paragraph is not based on assumptions?

we will examine the scriptures: let's not assume anything here.

Maximus69:


Keep deceiving yourself!

Jehovah's Witnesses told you that Jesus is angel Michael that's why we don't worship him! we worship Jehovah who sent Jesus (Michael)
So we aren't disturbing you from worshiping your Jesus, what we are saying is our own worship goes to JEHOVAH the father of Jesus!

solite3:

go and sort it out with maximus.

WizzyVine:


Believe you me. You guys are Muslims. To blatantly deny the Godship of Christ in the face of all scriptural evidence already spells a demonic attempt to subvert the truth of salvation. No wonder you guys went to create your own counterfeit Bible. You don't worship Jesus? You worship Jehovah? You worship neither Jesus nor Jehovah. For Jesus and Jehovah are the one and selfsame person. Paul told the Colossians that in Jesus dwelt the fullnness of the Godhead bodily. Jesus was worshipped in scripture as was commanded, for the Bible says:

Hebrews 1:6

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, "Let all God's angels worship him."

Luke 22:51-52

And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:

Mathew 14:33

And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, “You are certainly God’s Son!

Now, this is enough. You are not a seeker of the truth, but rather an agent of Satan seeking to deceive those who are not rooted in the faith. Jesus has said "Cast not your pearls to the swines." I've been casting my pearls to the swines since yesterday unknowingly, but now, no more. I will henceforth boycot all your mentions, for light has no relationship with darkness. I will instruct my children never to have anything to do with so called Jehovah Witnesses for they a demons in men's clothing. You are not chikdren of God. I will tell you infidels to repent and be converted, for there's no repentance after the grave. This will be my last post here today. You are not worth my time. You are mere deceivers who believe not the gospel but your own satanic gospel that conveniently steals the souls of men for the devil, which soul Christ has paid for with His precious blood on the cross. I warn you, the more you go about converting people to hell, the more the wrath of my Father will burn against you to bring you into judgement on the last day. If Jesus wasn't God, why did the Jews reject Him? The only reason why the Jews had conflict with Him was because of His claim on Godship. From today, I observe your cult as a camouflage version of Islam. You're not Christians. May God have mercy upon your soul and give you light. I stop casting my pearls to you swines. No more replying mentions to someone who is hard bent on subverting the truth.

Janosky:


Where is the things of the spirit in your Dubious version of 1 Timothy 3:16 ?


LIAR.
Christendom claims that man is a spirit inside a body of flesh.
You claim your God is Triune so man is Triune.
Christ is one with God". you mean Christ is God.

Now apply the same spiritual logic of your spiritual mind to your claim
Wizzyvine is one with Christ. Meaning Wizzyvine is Christ/God.

Bros, you can't shift this your goalpost

WizzyVine:


You usually cut off my scripture quotations to avoid readers coming into contact with it while reading your satanic comments. When I challenged you about that, you now decided to unbolded what I bolded to block leaders from seeing the emphasis. I will enbold it here in my reply as a countermeasure:

Without controversy great is the mystery of salvation. God was manifested in the flesh, seen of angels....

Secondly, I've been answering your questions directly, quoting relevant scriptures to support my points, but you keep mentioning that I'm shifting goal posts as if I have been avoiding your questions and saying something else. This you're deliberately doing to deceive reader's into thinking that I have no answer to your questions. You are very satanic.

Now having engaged several of you guys since yesterday morning, I have one reply for all of you. Since you do not worship Jesus as I have just been told. I have realized that you are not Christians.

Believe you me. You guys are Muslims. To blatantly deny the Godship of Christ in the face of all scriptural evidence already spells a demonic attempt to subvert the truth of salvation. No wonder you guys went to create your own counterfeit Bible. You don't worship Jesus? You worship Jehovah? You worship neither Jesus nor Jehovah. For Jesus and Jehovah are the one and selfsame person. Paul told the Colossians that in Jesus dwelt the fullnness of the Godhead bodily. Jesus was worshipped in scripture as was commanded, for the Bible says:

Hebrews 1:6

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, "Let all God's angels worship him."

Luke 22:51-52

And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:

Mathew 14:33

And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, “You are certainly God’s Son!

Now, this is enough. You are not a seeker of the truth, but rather an agent of Satan seeking to deceive those who are not rooted in the faith. Jesus has said "Cast not your pearls to the swines." I've been casting my pearls to the swines since yesterday unknowingly, but now, no more. I will henceforth boycot all your mentions, for light has no relationship with darkness. I will instruct my children never to have anything to do with so called Jehovah Witnesses for they a demons in men's clothing. You are not chikdren of God. I will tell you infidels to repent and be converted, for there's no repentance after the grave. This will be my last post here today. You are not worth my time. You are mere deceivers who believe not the gospel but your own satanic gospel that conveniently steals the souls of men for the devil, which soul Christ has paid for with His precious blood on the cross. I warn you, the more you go about converting people to hell, the more the wrath of my Father will burn against you to bring you into judgement on the last day. If Jesus wasn't God, why did the Jews reject Him? The only reason why the Jews had conflict with Him was because of His claim on Godship. From today, I observe your cult as a camouflage version of Islam. You're not Christians. May God have mercy upon your soul and give you light. I stop casting my pearls to you swines. No more replying mentions to someone who is hard bent on subverting the truth.