Dollywood:



Your stupidity is world-class.

Sarcasm flies over your head because you lack comprehension. Hope you have a good time in church today!

The word HELL means GRAVE, God's word use FIRE to symbolise complete destruction.
For instance when God told Adam "dust you are and to dust you will return" it means Adam will be destroyed or wiped out from existence.
Most Bible readers often miss one thing Jesus is the foretold counselor whose teaching will be characterised by so many illustrations
So it's baffling how many will just read his words and forget that Jesus often use idioms and symbols in his teachings! Matthew 13:13
God created the heavens and earth in the beginning, there was no mention of any place of punishment, the only punishment God pronounced for disobedience was a return to inactivity. Genesis 2:17 compared to Romans 6:23
According to God's word no matter what you do, at death you've paid for your wrongdoings {Romans 6:7} God only remember the good ones and he so much desire to bring them back to life when the damage Adam's rebelliousness brought upon mankind is settled! Genesis 4:10
It's the evil and wickedness in the heart of most people that makes them feel that death is not enough as punishment for sin, they feel that since both good and evil people do die, there is no difference between the end of good and evil people. But they're not seeing matters from God's viewpoint. For instance none of them will like his or her own child to undergo excruciating pain for a day simply because such a child is evil talkless a week. Luke 11:13
Even the thought of inactivity after bringing us to life doesn't glorify God {Luke 20:38} and his predominant attribute is LOVE {1John 4:8} so how could he have thought of such evil as to suspend his children in excruciating pains? Jeremiah 7:31; 19:5

VillagePeople11:


don't try to be smart by half....

You need the smartness. He'll is a temporal abode for the wicked. For just like the prison for pridoners Awaiting
Trial .but after judgement the wicked will end up in another Place called Lake of Fire.

If you're discussing a place. Uou should do a little research in your criticism . How can you judge what you lack information about?

Revelation 20:15
And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Secondly God will give man enough time and opportunity no to end up in the lake of fire. The first opportunity is the gospel we are giving to you guys now as a witness. So that iu can have eternal life and when Jesus comes you can go with him. If anyone misses that opportunity. There is still another opportunity. To repent during the reign of the anti-christ. Though many of them will be persecuted or killed. The issue is . Its better to accept salvation now when its free than at that time when you have to pay with your blood.

After this there will be a war between evil and good . Chrust defeat the evil forces . And Jesus will be king on the earth for 1,000 years . And during the 1,000 yeas Satan will be locked up .

All this God is patiently wItinf for man to chose him wilfully.
So finally after the 1,000 years expires . Satan will be released for a short time and he will gather men in rebellion against God
and there will be a ladt battle between light and darkness. At this time satan will be thrown into the lake of fire and everyone who partake of his evil

Dantedasz:



Sarcasm flies over your head because you lack comprehension. Hope you have a good time in church today!

Oh, Jeez. I failed to detect your sarcasm because you suck at it! Have you seen an irreligious person going to church before

✌️ Peace

VillagePeople11:

I can't make any sense out of your reply...you sound like confusion.... Is hellfire a proportionate punishment for varying level of sin committed by different people? That is the question.... What is it with killing somebody that looks at your wife.... Laws of different lands have different level of punishment for different crimes ranging from community service to death sentence. What hellfire does is throw all of them into a burning fire for eternity.... My question is does that make any sense to you?

I was attempting to bring to your notice how the Judgment of Lake of Fire is appropriate, but you do not understand, so let me attempt it this way.

The appropriateness of the Rightness of Lake of Fire is based on
1) The Gravity and Weight of Each and Every Offence and Offences committed. (And it settled that we commit diverse Offences in One Day, so hold this in mind because this part is not yet exhausted)

2) The Regularity of Those Offences committed that is, the one on earth (visible and physical sins) maybe every 3 hours of A Day in addition to the one committed in heaven, which is spirit, and those who have not learnt to control their spirit commit many many Offences in the spirit at least hourly eg (murder of their neighbour because he has bought a better looking car, smooshing your neighbours wife, servant, daughter without permission, therefore you have Raped, using your spirit to cause your neighbours wife to sleep with you on earth as you have done in heaven etc I see this everyday,).

So, count, using the Law of Discerning that which is an Offence, the number of Offences perpetrated in one week and the regularity thereof, if you can?

3) It Also takes Account of Each and Every Person Who has been affected by that offence and shall be affected by that offence eg Till the world ends, People would still be blaming Satan and Adam and Eve for the Miserability of the lives.

Every Soul who is affected by an Offence and cries out because of the pain of the Offence, Such Soul brings a Charge Against that Sinner and The Lord will hear it, and if that Charge Sticks, He shall be Punished Anew. Why? Because it is The Law, "Where There is A Wrong, There Must Be A Remedy"

So, check out Satan and AdamEve's Charge of Offences and how many millions of souls who have gone through this world who have blamed them and the millions of souls who now blame them and the millions that shall come to blame them, till the end of the world? How long is that charge going to be?

4). Failures To Heed Repeated Warnings.
In Spite of Repeated Warnings and Counsels and Admonishings and Even The Threat of Sanction.

Under here are, all the several souls past and present, who had severally Chastised and Counseled you that you should not do that which is not good, yet you did not listen to them. Now, you have Offended them for they thought you would respect them and listen to them but, you did not, So Now, They also Accuse You of Offence of insubordination in the case of Elders, Disrespect in the case of your peers, Disregard, Nonchalance, Recklessness, Negligence, etc

5) Failure To Desist from Committing Offences after Several Warnings. (I don tire to dey type, so short cut)

6) Failure to Remedy your Offences.

7) Failure to Utilise Provision, Provided and Made by God to Wipe Away your Offences

8. ) Refusal to Utilise Provision, Provided and Made by God to Wipe Away your Offences.

There are still many more that justify the Punishment through the use of the Lake of Fire, but I can not bring all of them, for the list is very long.

Let me stop here, my finger dey pain me and d phone done dey hot!

VillagePeople11:
There are different punishment for crimes committed, for instance fine, probation, 6months, 1 year, 10 years in jail etc.

Humans with their treacherous heart understands this and frown at any punishment that is too much for the crime committed i.e you shouldn't behead a person as punishment for slapping another person(assault). You don't kill your wife or child for disrespecting you.

Now take a second look at the hellfire punishment, the human lifespan is 80 years, and you have people dying at 15, 30, 50 45 etc. Let take a collection of 20 of these humans and call them sinners meant for hellfire.

Now you throw them into fire, i mean burning flames, and you do not even show them the mercy of dying, you continuously burn them for 1 hour, 10 hours, 24 hours, 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, 1 year, 10years, the number of years equivalent to how long they lived, still burning, 100 years still burning, 200 years, 500 years, 2 million years, 10 million year.... Let me stop there.

Regardless of everything you have been thought, does the punishment of hellfire make any sense?

cc: lalastilala

Let us count the Weight of All Your Offences which began to read from the age of 7, which is the age of liability according to the calculation of man as shown in your laws.

So from age 7 till date and for the next 80 years, You have been Racking up Offences Left and Right, Up and Down, For These Long Long Years, Still Going Unanswered and neither have You Ceased from them.

Is That Not Cause Enough?

Okay, E Never Finish Oh!

What of the Gravity of All Of These Offences!

Ranging From The Offences Which You Call Small-Small Offences which become the Little Drops of Offences which make Mighty Offences, Carrying Mighty Punishments And Then to the Severe and Grievous Offences, Which Also Carry Severe And Grievous Punishments!

Then E Still Never Finish Oh!

The MULTIPLE And NUMEROUS NUMBERS of TIMES That You Committed ALL THESE OFFENCES!

We Are Still Not Done oh!

The Persons (Complainants) Against Whom You Committed These Offences!

In Here You have Two Complainants!

The Person Whom You Directly and Immediately Offended Who Cries Every Day For Justice, Recompense and Remedy For Every Day Your Offences Go Unanswered!

And The Owner Of These Persons whom You Also Offend By Your Very Act And Whom Is The Direct Recipient Of All These Cries For Justice and Judgement!

Let me stop here!

Tell! How Shall You Judge The Matter?

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LordReed:


if you had great power why would it take 80years for you to do something about it?

That is what it means to be Fully-Power-Full and Good!

Because I can Hurt , Beyond Imagination, And I Do Not Like Hurting, Neither Do I Want To Hurt.

So, I Remove Myself From Seeing your Hurting of Me, Yet, They Reach Me. I Turn to the side, yet they tap my shoulders. I move away and put Another to Deal with you, Yet, He too, Cryeth Out to Me, that He is Overwhelmed, and that He Too Requires Judgement.

Whilst I did all these, 80 years went by in your world and alas, he who has sinned, is put in prison for My Trial and Examination of him, because Many Cry Against him, for Judgement.

Dollywood:


Oh, Jeez. I failed to detect your sarcasm because you suck at it! Have you seen an irreligious person going to church before

✌️ Peace

Once again the sarcasm of "GOING TO CHURCH" flies over your head!!!

Have a nice day.

VillagePeople11:


I can't make any sense out of your reply...you sound like confusion.... Is hellfire a proportionate punishment for varying level of sin committed by different people? That is the question.... What is it with killing somebody that looks at your wife.... Laws of different lands have different level of punishment for different crimes ranging from community service to death sentence. What hellfire does is throw all of them into a burning fire for eternity.... My question is does that make any sense to you?

Lake of Fire is The Fore-Warned and Pre-Warned Designated Punishment for Offences Commited over a duration of time.

Such that, if not that such a soul was Cut off and Put in Prison of (death), such soul will continue to Sin, even Previously Unimaginable Sins shall be implemented.

All Done From the beginning, without restraint and redress!

Community service, fines, short imprisonment are for what you call small small sins in law it is called Misdemeanors and Simple Offences.

But for felonies/ Capital Offences, as you have seen some offemders have been given Double Lifetime Punishment and more which only covers A Range and Series of Particular Offences, as it is Impossible for man to CHARGE and PROVE the Truth of All the Offences Commited by a man.

But this is Not So With The Lord, For Camera and Super Microphone plenty and Lifetime Gig Plenty. And Inexhaustible Storage Dey and Nobody fit break in nor hack am

petra1:


You need the smartness. He'll is a temporal abode for the wicked. For just like the prison for pridoners Awaiting Trial

It's Called a Holding Cell, then if found guilty, they shall be moved to the Main Prison!

Dtruthspeaker:


That is what it means to be Fully-Power-Full and Good!

Because I can Hurt , Beyond Imagination, And I Do Not Like Hurting, Neither Do I Want To Hurt.

So, I Remove Myself From Seeing your Hurting of Me, Yet, They Reach Me. I Turn to the side, yet they tap my shoulders. I move away and put Another to Deal with you, Yet, He too, Cryeth Out to Me, that He is Overwhelmed, and that He Too Requires Judgement.

Whilst I did all these, 80 years went by in your world and alas, he who has sinned, is put in prison for My Trial and Examination of him, because Many Cry Against him, for Judgement.

And all the people suffering in the mean time are inconsequential? And you think that is good? Wow just wow.

LordReed:


And all the people suffering in the mean time are inconsequential? And you think that is good? Wow just wow.

You have shifted your post for the question you asked was "Why The Lord is Tarrying in Giving Judgments And Not about "people suffering".

Separate issue, Separate thread Required!

Dtruthspeaker:


You have shifted your post for the question you asked was "Why The Lord is Tarrying in Giving Judgments And Not about "people suffering".

Separate issue, Separate thread Required!

It was the point of the question. You have power to intervene and prevent the suffering of your family but you are just gonna standby for 80years? What kind of good is that?

No, it doesn't make sense.

RealDD:


My heart bleeds for your blasphemy and for myself as well cos I am also a sinner fervently hoping to be forgiven by God almighty.

Don't bother. We are both going to hell

Dtruthspeaker:


It's Called a Holding Cell, then if found guilty, they shall be moved to the Main Prison!

Thanks for the correction

LordReed:


It was the point of the question. You have power to intervene and prevent the suffering of your family but you are just gonna standby for 80years? What kind of good is that?

Okay!

My first intervention was that I Wiped Out All the Evil and Corrupt People and Purified The Whole Earth Anew.

Then by the Knowledge and Law that, It is A Clean Towel, that is Reasonably used to properly wipe Away A Dirty Surface, Not A Dirty Towel, which will make it Worse.

Thus, i Put down A Clean and Good man (Noah) and his family, in the New Purified and Washed World, under the Law that yam must give birth to yam; A Clean Good family must give rise to other Clean Good Families.

Yet, after a while, men, again, still elected to Hurt Me and Seek my hurting. I chose to ignore it, and find Another Solution, since the Noah Plan has been Corrupted.

I therefore, looked for the Worsest (permit my use of word) House in All the World and Took over it, Knowing that if the Worsest has changed and can change, all the other less worse families will have No Excuse.

Therefore, I Launched the Abrahamic Plan, that through him All the earth will be Whole and Good Again or I can conclusively come to the Judgment that these people love Wickedness and evil and they hate me and they Surely do not care, if I shall destroy them because they Wilfully Choose to Hurt Me Deeply and Continously, Neither do they wish to live.

So, Executed the Abrahamic Plan and behold their is Division in their Numbers, Those, who love me on one side and those who choose to hate me on the other.

And behold I looked once more, and I said, to myself, "Let Me Go Down To These People who hate Me and Directly Tell them to their Faces, What and How I shall Hotly Deal with them for their Wickedness, Maybe, they may alter their evil ways.

Therefore, I intervened once more, by coming down, speaking and teaching them, even given them in advance My Judgments, Yet, they Proved me Right that they Hate Me and that they would kill Me, if they Could.

And they eventually fulfilled their desires of their evil killing, Me, their God thereby Proving Beyond All Reasonable Doubt, that they hate Me and whilst they Love being evil, therefore, Sealing Their Fate!

After All these, I have Still Tarried in Giving My Judgments, though, Now For A short time, And yet Do they do even greater evil and much Wickedness.

This is the Great Goodness of The Lord, in that He is Given Too Much Rope to Evil People, especially these days unlike the beginning, (but I understand and I Love Him For It) for No, there is None as good as The Lord, who after his son has defied him, insulted and ridiculed him, who still stole his father's property, sold them and fled with them, yet the father did not pursue him.

Which man on earth did not disown, in the least a child who did all these, and should that child run into that father by mistake, is it not death that is waiting for that child, as we say?

The Lord has intervened severally, but wicked people love their Wickedness and choose destruction rather than change their ways, as Proven even in here in this thread.

And Truthfully I, am baffled however it is quite intriguing to see how far they are willing to go with their love and doings of Wickedness!

LordReed:


It was the point of the question. You have power to intervene and prevent the suffering of your family but you are just gonna standby for 80years? What kind of good is that?

Another angle in Answer is that My Family Knows My Plan and the Reason for my Plan and therefore, they know that if I am not intervening, It is in Execution of A Plan, which they are even aware of and Understand the Wisdom of It, therefore, they Also Agree with the Plan!

Dtruthspeaker:


Another angle in Answer is that My Family Knows My Plan and the Reason for my Plan and therefore, they know that if I am not intervening, It is in Execution of A Plan, which they are even aware of and Understand the Wisdom of It, therefore, they Also Agree with the Plan!

Executing an 80 year plan while family members are dying and you have the power to intervene now? I can BS. No man who has love for his family and has the power to prevent harm from coming to them will standby and wait for devastation to be visited on his family for 80 years before he intervenes in the name of a plan. Such a person who can execute such a plan is clearly not good.

LordReed:


Executing an 80 year plan while family members are dying and you have the power to intervene now? I can BS. No man who has love for his family and has the power to prevent harm from coming to them will standby and wait for devastation to be visited on his family for 80 years before he intervenes in the name of a plan. Such a person who can execute such a plan is clearly not good.

Religion can't be questioned out of existence but you can keep trying.
Hell Victorinho remains lyrically amazing.
What's commercial when I'm aware of the season or/and the vibes that are trending?
If I release any rap recording today, the effect will be transcending.

LordReed:


Executing an 80 year plan while family members are dying and you have the power to intervene now? I can BS. No man who has love for his family and has the power to prevent harm from coming to them will standby and wait for devastation to be visited on his family for 80 years before he intervenes in the name of a plan. Such a person who can execute such a plan is clearly not good.

Remember, I am not man and weak and Stupid. I have Great Powers, and there is Nothing I can not do for and on behalf of My Family.

My Family Knows this and they know that I Always have a better Plan than they can ever conceive, therefore, they Trust my 80 year old plan, Knowing that all that they have gone through for My Sakes, will Most Surely Be Returned and Compensated to them in the Unending Life of Goodness, in the Permanent Cure of All the things, that previously harmed them.

So, surely, 80 years of mixed goodness and evil can not be compared to Eternal Living in Goodnesses Alone.

For this is the kind of investment that wise people are always searching for, in that they suffer a loss of 80 years hardship to Acquire An Eternal Life of Rest-filled Enjoyment.

Which is actually not a novel thing Only by far better as it is seen, people suffer the pain of 65 years of working only to get at best 15 years of Pension of Rest.

So, this Plan is no different only by far far much more profitable and much more better.

The people who created hell also created purgatory....so you can go to purgatory if you die in veniel sin..

But to the creator death is just sleep...

Man has already been judged.

"From dust you where made, to dust you shall return"..

Any other thing is for social engineering (population control )

sonmvayina:
The people who created hell also created purgatory....so you can go to purgatory if you die in veniel sin..

But to the creator death is just sleep...

Man has already been judged.

"From dust you where made, to dust you shall return"..

Any other thing is for social engineering (population control )

The Deceits of Catholic church is so well entrenched in your soul that you are accustomed to blindness, if not you would have seen that Judgment Only Comes After a Trial, Which Only Comes After A Charge or Accusation of the Commission of an Offence is Made.

Therefore, that "From dust .." Judgement belongs to Someone who has been Found Guilty of an Offence, at his Trial.

It is The Law of God that "No Man Can Be Convicted for an Offence, which he has not yet Committed". Not to talk of him being Accused of that which he has not yet done!

Dtruthspeaker:


Remember, I am not man and weak and Stupid. I have Great Powers, and there is Nothing I can not do for and on behalf of My Family.

My Family Knows this and they know that I Always have a better Plan than they can ever conceive, therefore, they Trust my 80 year old plan, Knowing that all that they have gone through for My Sakes, will Most Surely Be Returned and Compensated to them in the Unending Life of Goodness, in the Permanent Cure of All the things, that previously harmed them.

So, surely, 80 years of mixed goodness and evil can not be compared to Eternal Living in Goodnesses Alone.

For this is the kind of investment that wise people are always searching for, in that they suffer a loss of 80 years hardship to Acquire An Eternal Life of Rest-filled Enjoyment.

Which is actually not a novel thing Only by far better as it is seen, people suffer the pain of 65 years of working only to get at best 15 years of Pension of Rest.

So, this Plan is no different only by far far much more profitable and much more better.

Makes it even more egregious. A man will not do so but some ultra good being will do it? Please.

truespeak:


Let us count the Weight of All Your Offences which began to read from the age of 7, which is the age of liability according to the calculation of man as shown in your laws.

So from age 7 till date and for the next 80 years, You have been Racking up Offences Left and Right, Up and Down, For These Long Long Years, Still Going Unanswered and neither have You Ceased from them.

Is That Not Cause Enough?

Okay, E Never Finish Oh!

What of the Gravity of All Of These Offences!

Ranging From The Offences Which You Call Small-Small Offences which become the Little Drops of Offences which make Mighty Offences, Carrying Mighty Punishments And Then to the Severe and Grievous Offences, Which Also Carry Severe And Grievous Punishments!

Then E Still Never Finish Oh!

The MULTIPLE And NUMEROUS NUMBERS of TIMES That You Committed ALL THESE OFFENCES!

We Are Still Not Done oh!

The Persons (Complainants) Against Whom You Committed These Offences!

In Here You have Two Complainants!

The Person Whom You Directly and Immediately Offended Who Cries Every Day For Justice, Recompense and Remedy For Every Day Your Offences Go Unanswered!

And The Owner Of These Persons whom You Also Offend By Your Very Act And Whom Is The Direct Recipient Of All These Cries For Justice and Judgement!

Let me stop here!

Tell! How Shall You Judge The Matter?

What of a person who serves God faithfully for over 90% of his lifetime and them at the very last moments commits a sin like fornication,where does he go HELL

What of murderer,rapist who commits so many heinous crimes for over 90% of his lifetime but GENUINELY repents at his deathbed,where does he go HEAVEN


Is the above scenario fair to you

Dtruthspeaker:


That is what it means to be Fully-Power-Full and Good!

Because I can Hurt , Beyond Imagination, And I Do Not Like Hurting, Neither Do I Want To Hurt.

So, I Remove Myself From Seeing your Hurting of Me, Yet, They Reach Me. I Turn to the side, yet they tap my shoulders. I move away and put Another to Deal with you, Yet, He too, Cryeth Out to Me, that He is Overwhelmed, and that He Too Requires Judgement.

Whilst I did all these, 80 years went by in your world and alas, he who has sinned, is put in prison for My Trial and Examination of him, because Many Cry Against him, for Judgement.

You cited an instance of a person who was vicious for most of his life
What of a person who was a fervent christian for over 50 years of his life and then suddenly he commits a sin and dies in the process,where would he go to ? he goes to hell and burns for trillions of trillions of trillions of years
Is that also fair to you ?

Christians know that the concept of hell has a lot of issues but they won't admit cos they are dishonest. They would never agree with something that paints their religion in a bad light
and the unknown (afterlife) is the only thing they can hold on to convince people because as long as life on earth is concerned, Christianity does not offer you any significant edge over others except perhaps you are a pastor

Its easy to say that someone deserves to go to hell for little crimes but ask them if it happened that their son or daughter who they raised in the Christian faith and who lived most of his life as a Christian commits a "little" sin and dies in the process,would they still consider it fair to have him tortured for eternity alongside murderers,rapists,serial killers, terrorists
They would never give u a direct reply

I don't take most of them serious

Hermes119:

What of a person who serves God faithfully for over 90% of his lifetime and them at the very last moments commits a sin like fornication,where does he go HELL

First Error is that you are making the Error of Judging Yourself "Faithfull" or asking me, who is also writing the Faithfulness Exam, to Judge You "Faithful".

This is beyond any man's power to so judge himself exactly as a Student passing Judgement on his Exams is not True, but the True Result Proceeds from The Examiner.

And in this case, God is The Proper Examiner who can Rightfully and Truly Declare who has "faithfully served Him".

So, it is He who will Properly Settle All these issues in here, Not I or any man.

Any man who passes Judgment on these issues, usurps the Jurisdiction of The Lord and is a meddlesome interloper!

Hermes119:

What of murderer,rapist who commits so many heinous crimes for over 90% of his lifetime but GENUINELY repents at his deathbed,where does he go HEAVEN

Is the above scenario fair to you

Same for passing the Judgment of "GENUINE Repentance"

This is the Law - “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”

But it is The Lord Himself who hath Jurisdiction to Judge All these issues, and He Shall So Judge.

Hermes119:

You cited an instance of a person who was vicious for most of his life
What of a person who was a fervent christian for over 50 years of his life and then suddenly he commits a sin and dies in the process,where would he go to ? he goes to hell and burns for trillions of trillions of trillions of years
Is that also fair to you ?

This is the same question you asked Truespeak and she has done the "Just Is" to it.

Further, I have described how wide and great and multiple and very weighty your offences are above to the justify the Punishment of Lake of Fire!

LordReed:


Makes it even more egregious. A man will not do so but some ultra good being will do it? Please.

We already do so, for do we not tell our children to read, burn the midnight oil and forego fun, just so that they may Excel in their Vocations and ARRIVE in A Very Good Place, where they can always be happy forever, freely doing and enjoying All Those Former Things, which they missed during the days of suffering?