Tcwork:

Yea the trinity doctrine is not based in scriptures but you don't seem to get it. On the other hand
the scriptures teach that Jehovah of the old testament is Jesus Christ

livingchrist:
no, infact Jesus is Jehovah God. The bible revealed that Jehovah God is Trinity Gen 1vv26, but Jehovah as a name was a revelation of God to the Jews but Jesus is the revelation of God to all mankind

Tcwork:

You bore false witness. Don't you get it, this is not a game. It's about serious people sharing their beliefs and discussin scriptures. It's about asking important questions and answering them.
Many people are silently following this thread and learning from contributions.
Don't you think if you have any idea about what we are discussing you can contribute without causing a distraction.
Take a cue from the many people that have opposed me on this thread.
They have all been wonderful people with brilliant opinions.

DappaD:


Okay. Carry on.

DappaD:


The man below has his own version that’s similar to yours and he made it clear that God is a trinity.
And he even calls Jehovah the Father which you deny, so who are you to say otherwise?
Can’t you see that it’s the same trinity doctrine but refashioned and restructured into several versions?
If you are not sure of the meaning of trinity just ask.
The Christian doctrine of the Trinity (Latin: Trinitas, lit. 'triad', from Latin: trinus "threefold"[1] holds that God is one God, but three coeternal and consubstantial persons:[2][3] the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature" (homoousios).

Tcwork:
In case you still doubt, it was Christ that led the children of Israel to the promise land.
Corinthians 10:1-4 KJV
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ

DappaD:

The man below has his own version that’s similar to yours and he made it clear that God is a trinity.
And he even calls Jehovah the Father which you deny, so who are you to say otherwise?
Can’t you see that it’s the same trinity doctrine but refashioned and restructured into several versions?

Princewell2012:


Excellent. You have just solve all my confusion. I can now concentrate. God bless you. Am not regretting of waking up by This time to read this piece. The time is 2.55Am

MaxInDHouse:
Their Trinity will ever remain what it is!

It will continue to promote
©Division- Each time an individual among them feels cheated or betrayed he/she freely walks away and pitch his/her tent elsewhere, then begin gathering members who feels the same way. Yet they will still believe they're worshiping the same God as the group they left.

©Racism- Pride remains in their midst so they can't unite as one despite claiming worshipers of the same God.

©Politics- Since pride and nepotism remains they can not stop but continue fight for power and their Trinity God is rendered useless.

©Sectarianism- They continue forming sects in the name of denominations whereas conflicting doctrines and contradicting teachings is what they're dispensing.

©Gender confusion- They can't conclude on the gender that should take the lead so both males and females lead in the worship of their Trinity even though it's written in the book (Bible) that only males should lead in worship.

©Stealing- They will continue to defraud one another using God's name, tithes, offerings, first fruits and so on is their target, and when they're able to collect these from they gullible followers they acquire material possessions everywhere yet saying heaven is their target.

©Promiscuity- Since each person can start his own Church, whatever he/does in the name of Trinity is welcomed.

©Spiritism- They employ every means to perform various spiritistic acts, this is what faithless people love, so with little magical acts they're able to gather crowd.

But one thing is certain, they will never unite in Trinity whatever disrupt pagans equally affects them! Luke 11:23

Tcwork:

Psalms 110.1 This depends on the translation
KJV Acts2:34-36 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
The decision to mark the lords name in capital was a choice of translator. All letters appear in uppercase in Hebrew, they had no lowercase

Tcwork:

Please I would love any of you to address this

Maamin:


Still from that verse 36 of Acts 2 you just quoted did you see where it says God has made that same Jesus , whome you crucified, both Lord and Christ?

Surely God the father(Jehovah) made the son both Lord and Christ (anointed one)

They are not the same entity as you have said in your thread

Tcwork:
Let's compare again
10. Declare among the nations: “Jehovah has become King!+
The earth* is firmly established, it cannot be moved.*
He will judge* the peoples fairly.”+
11 Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be joyful;
Let the sea thunder and all that fills it;+
12 Let the fields and everything in them rejoice.+
At the same time let all the trees of the forest shout joyfully+
13 Before Jehovah, for he is coming,*
He is coming to judge the earth.
He will judge the inhabited earth* with righteousness+
And the peoples with his faithfulness

Now whow is coming to Judge is it Christ or his father?

Matthew 25:31-32
"When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.

John 5:22
For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,

Jehovah is coming to judge the world, who is Jehovah

Maamin:


Ok i see another part that is confusing you greatly

Jesus said he came in the name of the father (Jehovah)
Jesus said all that the father own is his as well
Jesus said all that he sees the father does he does as well
Jesus said he doesn't seek his will but that of the father
Jesus said the father is in me and I am in the father

Through righteousness and humility Jesus obtain a name and position above every other creature either in heaven on earth or beneath the earth.

Finally the name Jesus translate "Jehovah is Saviour"
Now Jesus by inheritance can bear his father's name.

Janosky:


'Face to face' refers to intimacy of communication, Nobody can see God's face. Judges 6:11-22, Gideon never saw God's face but he had an intimate communication with the angel of Yahweh.
The truth stands.. Exodus 33:20-22 , John 6:46, John 1:18..

Maamin:


Still from that verse 36 of Acts 2 you just quoted did you see where it says God has made that same Jesus , whome you crucified, both Lord and Christ?

Surely God the father(Jehovah) made the son both Lord and Christ (anointed one)

They are not the same entity as you have said in your thread

Tcwork:

So we both accept that there are many saviors not an only saviour right?

haddeylium:


Good!
Now learn at your Pace!
Jehovah is the only person that is referred to as the source of Salvation 'No other one beside him' (Isa 43:11; 45:21).
He did this through men he raised as Saviour.

...and because of your great mercy, you would give them saviors to rescue them out of the hand of their adversaries.(Neh 9:27).

All other are appointed to serve as Saviour.
Several Judges served in this capacities; Othniel, Ehud, Moses (Jg 2:16; 3:9, 15).
Salvation is provided by JEHOVAH through all these men.

Likewise.
Jesus name means -JEHOVAH is Saviour!
So, Jesus was sent as Saviour by Jehovah 'the principal saviour'(1Jo 4:14)
Jehovah is Jesus saviour included (Heb 5:7; Ps 28:8.)
What should that tell you?

So, Jehovah as the Principal Saviour provided salvation through those men and Jesus.

Tcwork:

We have already gone over this. You are still repeating an argument that has been refuted but let me help you out.
Isaiah 43.11 says
I—I am Jehovah,+ and besides me there is no savior.
It did not talk about principal salvation or source of Salvation.

haddeylium:


Principal Saviour is supreme. He appointed others that the salvation is done through them. And he's those he appointed Saviour. you understand?

If I say, I built this House all by myself- Would that statement be wrong?
Answer.

Note; I appointed/employed Workers, Engineer, labour that helped in building that house.
But, who's receiving the glory?

Tcwork:

Who bore the pain of your salvation?
Who paid the price of your salvation?
Who died for your sin?
The Bible never taught categories of saviours. It's a modern teaching and yesterday was my first time hearing it

But we could leave this saviour discussion for a while and address other aspects of the discussion. What do you think?

haddeylium:

No matter how the Workman you employed/appointed for building your house labour, you'll still receive the glory as the Mastermind behind it and can rightly say I built this house myself.

Jesus is Jehovah's obedient servant ! (Act 3:13)
Jehovah provides salvation from sin through the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the Bible refers to Jesus as “Savior.”​—Acts 5:​31



If you understand the previous. Fine!

Tcwork:

We where begining to go round in circles. So I presented fresh grass.

The BibleYou keep saying Jesus Christ was sent by Jehovah

and I keep telling you that Jesus Christ is Jehovah

haddeylium:

Fixed!
1 John 4:14
In addition, we ourselves have seen and are bearing witness that the Father has sent his Son as savior of the world.


Attach scripture or that remain your personal Opinion

Tcwork:

You ask for scriptures when I have given you 10s.
I believe you did not follow this thread from the start.
1 John4.14
just says it all. Jesus Christ/ Jehovah was sent to be the Savior of the world. There is nothing like a principal saviour.
And no need for the [b]match fixing, just make your points

haddeylium:


Good!
Now learn at your Pace!
Jehovah is the only person that is referred to as the source of Salvation 'No other one beside him' (Isa 43:11; 45:21).
He did this through men he raised as Saviour.

...and because of your great mercy, you would give them saviors to rescue them out of the hand of their adversaries.(Neh 9:27).

All other are appointed to serve as Saviour.
Several Judges served in this capacities; Othniel, Ehud, Moses (Jg 2:16; 3:9, 15).
Salvation is provided by JEHOVAH through all these men.

Likewise.
Jesus name means -JEHOVAH is Saviour!
So, Jesus was sent as Saviour by Jehovah 'the principal saviour'(1Jo 4:14)
Jehovah is Jesus saviour included (Heb 5:7; Ps 28:8.)
What should that tell you?

So, Jehovah as the Principal Saviour provided salvation through those men and Jesus.

Jman24:







You have some valid points. Christians Don't even understand what they practice. They think through the death of a messenger (which is peganism) they are saved.

When you carefully study the good book from beginning to the end, you will see how people tried hard to mock God by exchanging the glory of the immortal God(without death) for other practices(religion & death-related atonement) ~Romans 1:22-23 & 25

But this is a logical standard;

*And behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matt 19:16-17)*

In day to day activities. Those commandments.. shape the society well. So you can actually view an eternal life(if there is anything like that) by test running the commandments here on Earth.~ "near logical"

Tcwork:

What does the death of Christ mean to you?

Jman24:

I'm impressed you understood the write up.
just follow your conviction.

Jman24:







You have some valid points. Christians Don't even understand what they practice. They think through the death of a messenger (which is peganism) they are saved.

When you carefully study the good book from beginning to the end, you will see how people tried hard to mock God by exchanging the glory of the immortal God(without death) for other practices(religion & death-related atonement) ~Romans 1:22-23 & 25

But this is a logical standard;

*And behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matt 19:16-17)*

Jesus response here teaches us that in whatever we do we should give complete reverance to His Father. None other takes the Fathers' glory.
The Father only gives His glory to those He chooses fit.


In day to day activities. Those commandments.. shape the society well. So you can actually view an eternal life(if there is anything like that) by test running the commandments here on Earth.~ "near logical"