Yes, the kinds that maltreat their wives are the horseband, I call it whatever I like, it's none of your business.

Go back and understand everything about what patriarchy is before you quote me.

Also go back and read your Bible, you don't have any understanding, yet you quote me. The discrimination was caused by patriarchy, laws, traditions, Moses did not give his consent to allow the girls inherit, he knew such was not allowed. He inquired from God, and it was God who gave him the ''go ahead''. You want patriarchy, yet I'm not sure you would gladly cater for a woman, without robbing it on her face.

livingchrist:
see who is talking, calling husband horseband, deceiving yourself, a Christian woman will never call her husband horseband, sarah the mother of all christian women called sarah Lord. Lol How is this compatible with feminism?
Feminism can never be compatible with christian values, lol same God that place husband as the head of the wife,so how is this compatible with feminism. God is anti feminism.

Patriachy simply means men protecting their family or society which include women that is exactly what moses did to those daughters by giving them their father's inheritance, it had nothing to do with feminism.

cococandy:
And you learned this from history that was written by men of course.
And conveniently forgot when parents (fathers) prohibited their female children from higher education. Even punished them for it. But blame women for it. Go off.

And in-spite of those obstacles, women made strides far more than expected from them. But that doesn’t fit your narrative .

See? Even history was written by the men.

Women haven't made anything significant apart from recurrent generations of children; and that is more due to biology than to any outstanding mental skills.

Ladyhippolyta88:


Balderdash thank the heavens this is not true but just the rants of an entitled male with a deflated ego.Don't quote me again and go back to your hut.

Not a single point of refutation, only ad hominem retaliation. The truth hurts doesn't it?

RisenPhoenix1:


Not a single point of refutation, only ad hominem retaliation. The truth hurts doesn't it?

There is nothing true there because thanks to feminism we now have female inventors and women breaking barriers you know this is the truth but yet claim there is no achievement which you know is a lie.I will not want to waste my time refuting the claims of someone living in mars who is oblivious of the current change happening around him or choses to deny it.As long as we know and see women achieving things fought for by suffragettes your ignorant opinion of lies is of no use to reality.
Keep deceiving yourself but the sane world knows women's achievements are significant and we will keep celebrating them encouraging and advocating for more that will benefit our daughters

cococandy:
And you learned this from history that was written by men of course.
And conveniently forgot when parents (fathers) prohibited their female children from higher education. Even punished them for it. But blame women for it. Go off.

And in-spite of those obstacles, women made strides far more than expected from them. But that doesn’t fit your narrative .

What do they gain from denying reality.

LilMissFavvy:
Yes, the kinds that maltreat their wives are the horseband, I call it whatever I like, it's none of your business.

Go back and understand everything about what patriarchy is before you quote me.

Also go back and read your Bible, you don't have any understanding, yet you quote me. The discrimination was caused by patriarchy, laws, traditions, Moses did not give his consent to allow the girls inherit, he knew such was not allowed. He inquired from God, and it was God who gave him the ''go ahead''. You want patriarchy, yet I'm not sure you would gladly cater for a woman, without robbing it on her face.

These deniers want to eat their cake and have it.

I wonder why.Anybody can have their reservations about feminism but outrightly denying that the movement did not better the lot of the female folk is silly

ImaIma1:
The concept of the redpill especially in Nigeria and on Nairaland symbolizes hatred, disdain and bitterness towards the opposite, and that cannot be Christian.

Most of them come across as atheists. And I doubt that the ones who are Christians even understand that their redpill cannot coexist with christianity.

Wisdom is profitable to direct.

Solomon who was the wisest man in the Bible was a hard core redpiller,if you doubt read his quotes and story about women

Ladyhippolyta88:

There is nothing true there because thanks to feminism we now have female inventors and women breaking barriers you know this is the truth but yet claim there is no achievement which you know is a lie.I will not want to waste my time refuting the claims of someone living in mars who is oblivious of the current change happening around him or choses to deny it.As long as we know and see women achieving things fought for by suffragettes your ignorant opinion of lies is of no use to reality.
Keep deceiving yourself but the sane world knows women's achievements are significant and we will keep celebrating them encouraging and advocating for more that will benefit our daughters

Female scientists never had anything to do with feminism, there have always been female inventors long before the movement; Marie Curie et al come to mind; yet there is no gainsaying the fact that these have always been outliers just as they are today. The fact is that, despite feminist claims to the contrary, there has not been any uptick in the proportion of female inventions post feminism era. The leading scientists in the new wave of computer and IT sciences for example, are still men; in engineering, women are nowhere to be found; while even traditional fields where women are given chances to excel are still dominated by breakthroughs discovered by male scientists. Tell me one breakthrough surgery pioneered by a woman, or a mathematical/physics breakthrough discovered by a woman in recent times. For each one you give me, I could probably give you 20 or more inventions by male scientists. Here are some articles that shows major under-representation of women in STEM research despite being given special privileges even more than boys in schools; thanks to the feminist movement.

https://www.wgu.edu/blog/why-are-there-so-few-women-in-stem1907.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2019/07/02/now-theres-more-college-educated-women-than-men-in-workforce-but-women-still-lag-behind-men-in-pay/

You can't beat nature.

RisenPhoenix1:


Female scientists never had anything to do with feminism, there have always been female inventors long before the movement; Marie Curie et al come to mind; yet there is no gainsaying the fact that these have always been outliers just as they are today

Says who?stop lying they were not given those opportunities on a platter of gold they fought for it you cannot separate women's rights from feminism.

The fact is that, despite feminist claims to the contrary, there has not been any uptick in the proportion of female inventions post feminism era

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/list_of_inventions_and_discoveries_by_women read this and when exactly did you think feminism came about feminism has been on for centuries and feminism has not ended it is still a continuous advocacy so yes there has been a uptick because in time past there has been none.

The leading scientists in the new wave of computer and IT sciences for example, are still men; in engineering, women are nowhere to be found; while even traditional fields where women are given chances to excel are still dominated by breakthroughs discovered by male scientists

Nobody is arguing about men still dominating in those fields the question is are there women there yes there are are the number of women in such fields increasing yes it is.If you were accurate enough you will see that the number of women entering these fields dominated by men is increasing so there is a uptick that takes years of advocacy to get there. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/03/06/10-male-dominated-jobs-where-women-are-joining-the-ranks-the-fastest.html look at this recent article and judge for yourself what exactly you mean by women not exceling in male dominated fields.What do you mean by traditional fields for women because statistics show women still dominate such fields men now being a part of these fields traditionally held by women is a good thing because women are also joining ranks in male dominated fields and that is the purpose of feminism

Tell me one breakthrough surgery pioneered by a woman, or a mathematical/physics breakthrough discovered by a woman in recent times. For each one you give me, I could probably give you 20 or more inventions by male scientists

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/celebrating-10-women-medical-pioneers read this and I sent the link that covers these question as well the one from wikipedia read it up too.It is not a competition with men the field is dominated and traditionally reserved for men so it is obvious that men are more but it does not negate the fact that the growth of women in these fields are also growing and is worth being celebrated because it took years for this to happen.

Here are some articles that shows major under-representation of women in STEM research despite being given special privileges even more than boys in schools; thanks to the feminist movement.

https://www.wgu.edu/blog/why-are-there-so-few-women-in-stem1907.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2019/07/02/now-theres-more-college-educated-women-than-men-in-workforce-but-women-still-lag-behind-men-in-pay/

You can't beat nature.

Lol mr man it is not about nature it is about using your brains and intelligence which no scientific research has pointed out that men are more intelligent or better than women or vice versa.The question has always been are women coming out and embracing science yes they are and their success in the fields will take years to materialise in 20 years time you may just be surprised about the number of women that are trippling in such areas law was once dominated by men and even in Nigeria women lawyers and students are coming up it was not until recently it became obvious that women are exceling in law in years to come these scientific fields will become more common to women even though they don't dominate it yet because it takes years for it to materialise and the results to be seen it is not about nature oga that argument is pointless because there are always exception these fields are about using human intelligence knowledge and ideas with is not exclusive to men alone.When women are not restricted but encouraged and given opportunities they will excel in these fields it has nothing to do with nature but determination and other human qualities not exclusive to men

Ladyhippolyta88:
Says who?stop lying they were not given those opportunities on a platter of gold they fought for it you cannot separate women's rights from feminism.

You don't really know much about the history of the feminist movement do you? If it always existed, then that makes your plight even more pathetic doesn't it? With such a poor showing after centuries of existence.

Ladyhippolyta88:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/list_of_inventions_and_discovered_by_women read this and when exactly did you think feminism came about feminism has been on for centuries and feminism has not ended it is still a continuous advocacy so yes there has been a uptick because in time past there has been none.

Your link came up a blank. Maybe there are no discoveries made by women worth mention? Lol. In any case, the presence of scientific discoveries made by women was never in dispute. My only claim is that these are outliers. They do not come close to those made by men; which is practically everything. This is why I referred to them as insignificant (you can check up the meaning if you need to).

Ladyhippolyta88:

Nobody is arguing about men still dominating in those fields the question is are there women there yes there are are the number of women in such fields increasing yes it is.If you were accurate enough you will see that the number of women entering these fields dominated by men is increasing so there is a uptick that takes years of advocacy to get there.

No one is arguing the increased presence of women in this fields. In most cases it is happening due to legislation forced through by feminists, through a lowering of the standards traditionally required by edifices of learning. For example; https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/29/university-makes-10-point-entry-score-adjustment-for-female-applicants

If you reduce the JAMB cutoff for women as compared to men, it is a given that more women would enter the university. The problem is "what value have the increased numbers of women added to these fields"? Virtually none whatsoever.

Ladyhippolyta88:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/03/06/10-male-dominated-jobs-where-women-are-joining-the-ranks-the-fastest.html look at this recent article and judge for yourself what exactly you mean by women not exceling in male dominated fields.What do you mean by traditional fields for women because statistics show women still dominate such fields men now being a part of these fields traditionally held by women is a good thing because women are also joining ranks in male dominated fields and that is the purpose of feminismhttps://www.aamc.org/news-insights/celebrating-10-women-medical-pioneers read this and I sent the link that covers these question as well the one from wikipedia read it up too.It is not a competition with men the field is dominated and traditionally reserved for men so it is obvious that men are more but it does not negate the fact that the growth of women in these fields are also growing and is worth being celebrated because it took years for this to happen.

Yeah yeah. Universities are lowering the bar and admitting more women in fields traditionally held by men. So what is the outcome? There is no achievement in exploiting legislated loopholes specially created to grant women special privileges. And what exactly has granting women special privileges added to scientific discovery? That is what you should ask yourself.

Ladyhippolyta88:

Lol mr man it is not about nature it is about using your brains and intelligence which no scientific research has pointed out that men are more intelligent or better than women or vice versa.The question has always been are women coming out and embracing science yes they are and their success in the fields will take years to materialise in 20 years time you may just be surprised about the number of women that are trippling in such areas law was once dominated by men and even in Nigeria women lawyers and students are coming up it was not until recently it became obvious that women are exceling in law in years to come these scientific fields will become more common to women even though they don't dominate it yet because it takes years for it to materialise and the results to be seen it is not about nature oga that argument is pointless because there are always exception these fields are about using human intelligence knowledge and ideas with is not exclusive to men alone.When women are not restricted but encouraged and given opportunities they will excel in these fields it has nothing to do with nature but determination and other human qualities not exclusive to men

If it is not nature, then how do you explain the fact that men still lead in all aspects of scientific discovery and technological innovation (and everything else apart from childbirthing) despite the fact that feminism has existed for centuries as you claim? Men are actually more reasoning and logical skills equipped, while women outperform men at social and cognitive skills. Even our brains are wired differently with different neural pathways and men obviously have larger brains, whether you like it or not. You can't turn women to men and vice versa. If you don't believe me, you are free to Google it. Here is an NCBI article on the topic. I have read quite a few more. It is scientifically proven and backed.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4270278/

RisenPhoenix1:


You don't really know much about the history of the feminist movement do you? If it always existed, then that makes your plight even more pathetic doesn't it? With such a poor showing after centuries of existence

You are the one who definitely does not know about the history of the movement it is a common fact that it has been on for centuries.The plight is not pathetic because we have seen the gains say something reasonable next time the showings are poor yet you are working overtime trying to discredit the movement very funny .

Your link came up a blank. Maybe there are no discoveries made by women worth mention? Lol. In any case, the presence of scientific discoveries made by women was never in dispute. My only claim is that these are outliers. They do not come close to those made by men; which is practically everything. This is why I referred to them as insignificant (you can check up the meaning if you need to)

I corrected the link you can go back and check it and here are more wonderful discoveries made by women worth mentioning https://www.takepart.com/article/2015/06/14/10-female-inventors-you-need-to-know.Lol the system has been dominated by men so it is not far fetched that the inventions are mostly by men and this does not make their own inventions insignificant because male scientist themselves use their inventions and works for research learn to stop downplaying women's achievements especially when you the entitled man downplaying it has no invention worthy of admiration or recognition.You have no personal info of the current makeup of new scientist across the world by gender but women are making progress worth encouraging not condemning

No one is arguing the increased presence of women in this fields. In most cases it is happening due to legislation forced through by feminists, through a lowering of the standards traditionally required by edifices of learning. For example; https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/29/university-makes-10-point-entry-score-adjustment-for-female-applicants

If you reduce the JAMB cutoff for women as compared to men, it is a given that more women would enter the university. The problem is "what value have the increased numbers of women added to these fields"? Virtually none whatsoever

In JAMB as far as we know there is no gender cutoff mark but quota system for regions which basically affects and helps both genders.So what direct Nigerian statistics are you quoting that shows that there are more women in universities because the standard has been lowered this is false stop making assumptions that more access and opportunities to education for women is happening because the bar was lowered this is not entirely true

Yeah yeah. Universities are lowering the bar and admitting more women in fields traditionally held by men. So what is the outcome? There is no achievement in exploiting legislated loopholes specially created to grant women special privileges. And what exactly has granting women special privileges added to scientific discovery? That is what you should ask yourself

lol where is your proof from a university admission office in Nigeria the the bar was lowered even in SSCE and JAMB exams recently even in fields dominated by men we have seen female students pass more are you saying that the marking scheme for males and females are different of course not their gender is not written in the answer sheet so this is obviously a lie from you.You are myopic what exactly is legislation meant for in the first place even till today minority communities are still pushing their agenda through legislation across the world but here you are trying to discredit the movement in a society where women are half of the population is it not obvious and sensible for women to be a part of the decision making and different strata of society if people did not advocate or legislate on many things would there even be healthcare or education so why should a particular gender be sidelined does it take away the fact that many of them are qualified and deserving of such opportunities if society was much fairer and less discriminatory would this have been an issue to legislate upon to begin with?You are making no sense even men exploit the system but advocating for better representation and opportunities is in no way exploiting the system you are just pained that you don't have much privilege as men did in the past because right now you gotta work hard and compete for what you get

If it is not nature, then how do you explain the fact that men still lead in all aspects of scientific discovery and technological innovation (and everything else apart from childbirthing) despite the fact that feminism has existed for centuries as you claim

Because of society and gender stereotype even science evolves so feminism started from somewhere seeing women in these fields did not start a century ago so how on earth do you expect to see women common in these fields you mentioned? You keep talking about innovation but I am very sure you are not aware of how such fields are becoming promising to women

Men are actually more reasoning and logical skills equipped, while women outperform men at social and cognitive skills. Even our brains are wired differently with different neural pathways and men obviously have larger brains, whether you like it or not. You can't turn women to men and vice versa. If you don't believe me, you are free to Google it. Here is an NCBI article on the topic. I have read quite a few more. It is scientifically proven and backed.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4270278/

LMAO I have seen men that little or no logic and deficient in reasoning same goes for women who are deficient in what you listed pertain to women so how exactly does such skills stop the determined one either genders from succeeding.I know about the brains but I also know that thesw does not make men more intelligent or knowledgeable than women so you cannot argue that.The male dominated fields of today don't require physical strength but intelligence and critical thinking which women also have so it negates the point you are trying to make because you simply cannot back what exactly in nature you think makes women less intelligent or cannot achieve what you think men achieve.This is why I say many if you anti feminist are ignorant people who said women wanted to be men or vice versa unless you wanna be transgender.Advocating and legislating/empowering women to be in sciences or take STEM courses does not mean women want to be men or encouraging men who have the passion for teaching,fashion designing etc does not mean men want to be women.Even surgically this is possible through transgender but that is not what it is about.I said it from the get go you are an entitled male with a deflated ego keep wallowing the future is female and I am glad to see many young girls having passion for sciences

Ladyhippolyta88:
You are the one who definitely does not know about the history of the movement it is a common fact that it has been on for centuries.The plight is not pathetic because we have seen the gains say something reasonable next time the showings are poor yet you are working overtime trying to discredit the movement very funny .

Discrediting it? Lol. It must have credit to be discredited. The feminist movement is actually a mid 20th century phenomenon. It did no ot have any precedent before that.

Ladyhippolyta88:

I corrected the link you can go back and check it and here are more wonderful discoveries made by women worth mentioning https://www.takepart.com/article/2015/06/14/10-female-inventors-you-need-to-know.Lol the system has been dominated by men so it is not far fetched that the inventions are mostly by men and this does not make their own inventions insignificant because male scientist themselves use their inventions and works for research learn to stop downplaying women's achievements especially when you the entitled man downplaying it has no invention worthy of admiration or recognition.You have no personal info of the current makeup of new scientist across the world by gender but women are making progress worth encouraging not condemning

All of 10 inventions, including; ladies and gentlemen; the ice cream. Where would we be without ice cream. As for the other inventions, the role of women was greatly exaggerated. I suspect that link is connected to some feminist site trying to (falsely) prove points.

Ladyhippolyta88:

In JAMB as far as we know there is no gender cutoff mark but quota system for regions which basically affects and helps both genders.So what direct Nigerian statistics are you quoting that shows that there are more women in universities because the standard has been lowered this is false stop making assumptions that more access and opportunities to education for women is happening because the bar was lowered this is not entirely true

In JAMB there isn't, yet. But in the West, lowering the standards for entry on the basis of gender is the norm. Read the link I provided.

Ladyhippolyta88:

lol where is your proof from a university admission office in Nigeria the the bar was lowered even in SSCE and JAMB exams recently even in fields dominated by men we have seen female students pass more are you saying that the marking scheme for males and females are different of course not their gender is not written in the answer sheet so this is obviously a lie from you.You are myopic what exactly is legislation meant for in the first place even till today minority communities are still pushing their agenda through legislation across the world but here you are trying to discredit the movement in a society where women are half of the population is it not obvious and sensible for women to be a part of the decision making and different strata of society if people did not advocate or legislate on many things would there even be healthcare or education so why should a particular gender be sidelined does it take away the fact that many of them are qualified and deserving of such opportunities if society was much fairer and less discriminatory would this have been an issue to legislate upon to begin with?You are making no sense even men exploit the system but advocating for better representation and opportunities is in no way exploiting the system you are just pained that you don't have much privilege as men did in the past because right now you gotta work hard and compete for what you get

My reference to JAMB was an analogy so you'll understand the point well. I thought I made it that clear enough.

If women were deserving of such opportunities, they would have gotten them. Contrary to women claiming victimhood, there is no concerted effort to prevent women from entering any field they choose. The issue is that at higher levels of STEM research, women tend to underperform all on their own. That is why they are not recognized. Name a female Freud, Darwin, Adam Smith, Einstein, Michael Porter or Stephen Hawkins. All the names your link cited are of local champions whom no one has heard of.

Ladyhippolyta88:

Because of society and gender stereotype even science evolves so feminism started from somewhere seeing women in these fields did not start a century ago so how on earth do you expect to see women common in these fields you mentioned? You keep talking about innovation but I am very sure you are not aware of how such fields are becoming promising to women
LMAO I have seen men that have logic and deficient in reasoning same goes for women who are deficient in what you listed pertain to women so how exactly does such skills stop the determined one either genders from succeeding.I know about the brains but I also know that thesw does not make men more intelligent or knowledgeable than women so you cannot argue that.The male dominated fields of today don't require physical strength but intelligence and critical thinking which women also have so it negates the point you are trying to make because you simply cannot back what exactly in nature you think makes women less intelligent or cannot achieve what you think men achieve.This is why I say many if you anti feminist are ignorant people who said women wanted to be men or vice versa unless you wanna be transgender.Advocating and legislating/empowering women to be in sciences or take STEM courses does not mean women want to be men or encouraging men who have the passion for teaching,fashion designing etc does not mean men want to be women.Even surgically this is possible through transgender but that is not what it is about.I said it from the get go you are an entitled male with a deflated ego keep wallowing the future is female and I am glad to see many young girls having passion for sciences

I cite scientific articles, you tell me what you think. How do I win this? Again, it's not about lowering the bar to add numbers. Having a passion in the sciences and having the actual anatomy to benefit others from that passion are two different things. The overwhelming majority of women just do not have the innovative capacity to create...and I'm not talking about ice cream.

Fun factoid for you;
Did you know that out of the 733 Nobel Prize winners in medicine and the sciences, only 25 were awarded to women? A whole 3.4% of the total. I even wonder how many of those awarded to women were actually awarded on the basis of political correctness. By the way, some like Marie Curie, got two, even further reducing the number of female Nobel laureates in the sciences.

RisenPhoenix1:


See? Even history was written by the men.

Women haven't made anything significant apart from recurrent generations of children; and that is more due to biology than to any outstanding mental skills.

For the exact reason I stated. That father kept their daughters away from learning. Women who did at that time did so at great personal risk and in secret.
It’s not something for men to brag about .
You shouldn’t. It’s a shameful indictment on your gender.

cococandy:


For the exact reason I stated. That father kept their daughters away from learning. Women who did at that time did so at great personal risk and in secret.
It’s not something for men to brag about .
You shouldn’t. It’s a shameful indictment on your gender.

They probably assessed correctly that educating women in any manly profession would have been wasteful and unnecessary.

Exactly where and when did this take place anyway?

RisenPhoenix1:


They probably assessed correctly that educating women in any manly profession would have been wasteful and unnecessary.

Exactly where and when did this take place anyway?

I’m not about to spoon feed you information that is easily accessible. Not when you’re not actually interested in learning. Just looking to argue.

cococandy:

I’m not about to spoon feed you information that is easily accessible. Not when you’re not actually interested in learning. Just looking to argue.

Except maybe your information is just a little teeny weeny bit overblown out of all proportion? There is no society which killed or otherwise harmed its daughters for learning.

RisenPhoenix1:


Except maybe your information is just a little teeny weeny bit overblown out of all proportion? There is no society which killed or otherwise harmed its daughters for learning.

killed? Who said they were killed?



And I do leave you to your willful ignorance.
Yes women have always had the same educational opportunities that men had.

bukatyne:
Good day Peeps

Disclaimer: THIS IS BUKATYNE's THREAD

Intro: It is a long read

It recently dropped in my heart/mind that the two reigning philosophies (feminism/women) and (red pill/men) are anti-Christianity i.e. you cannot be a Christian and be a modern-feminist or a red piller. In addition to the points below, modern-feminism and red pill fan the ambers of distrust between both sexes. And if both sexes distrust themselves, how can they fulfill God’s mandate on earth which includes dominion and multiplication? How can they live in harmony?

The Bible gives us ample guidelines on human relations in all spheres of life; marriage (most affected by the gender war), society, workplace, parent-children, domestic staff/workers etc.

MODERN FEMINISM: Why modern? The first wave seeking equal opportunities for men and women aligns with the tenets of Christianity. Modern/mainstream feminism here refers to (although not limited to) seeking equal outcomes, rejection of godly patriarchy, anti-marriage, anti-men/malehood, acceptance/support of homosexuality/transgender/intersex/abortion, systemic destruction of men, refusal to acknowledge differences in gender, rejection of a woman’s role in marriage (housekeeping/nurturing of children), support of immorality under the guise of ‘it is my body’, wanting to ‘copy men to do wrong’ instead of insisting on the right thing, rejection of God etc. etc. We get the idea.

RED PILL: In summary, this is a philosophy for men that ‘highlights who women are’ and how to ‘game’ them especially sexually.
> First off, red pill never ’highlights the fault of men’ and one wonders if they are perfect. The Bible tells us to remove the log in our eyes before removing the speck in our neighbor’s eyes. It is also a sign of pride and thinking highly of yourself to list only the ‘fault’ of another party and how you want to deal with them without taking stock of yourself and how you can be a better person. Psalm 36: 2 In their own eyes they flatter themselves too much to detect or hate their sin.
> Secondly, the focus on sex (sadly outside marriage which is fornication {another sin} especially on Nairaland is ridiculous. A man who has arrived is one spinning plates aka joggling women without the intent to commit (marry) to anyone of them. Proverbs 31:3: Give not thy strength unto women, nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings.
> Thirdly, the subtle/explicit hatred for women is anti-love your neighbor as yourself or do unto others what you want others to do unto you. Ephesians 4:31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 1 John 3:15: 15 Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him. 1 John 4:20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. Compare the positive attitudes of men/fathers/husbands in the Bible viz a viz the red pill.

As Christians, we know that everyone has their role which does not make them inferior to others with ‘seemingly more important roles.’ As succinctly said by Dr. Myles Monroe, ‘there is nothing as tragic as excelling in a wrong role.’ I remember a story ‘attributed’ to Pastor Kumuyi: God showed him his mansion in Heaven and he saw a gigantic one beside it. Out of curiosity, he inquired and God told him it belonged to a lady sweeping/interceding in his Church. To people of the world, the girl is a nonentity doing something ‘irrelevant.’ To God, she was playing her role in Kumuyi’s mission and doing it well. For instance, Samuel served God by serving Eli (1 Sam 3:1); the first Deacons in the Bible (described as Spirit filled) were chosen to serve food to widows. The Deacons were appointed because the Apostles were distracted from teaching the gospel by serving. They did not think it was beneath them to serve. Peter was sent as an Apostle to the Jews while Paul was sent as an Apostle to the Gentiles. Some of the Apostles with Jesus did not write a page of the Bible while Apostle Paul wrote thirteen books etc. It neither diminished their importance nor denied them assess to heaven. Read Luke 22:24-27 for an idea of 'positions'

Christianity teaches the following amongst others:
Servant-leadership and upliftment: Jesus Christ washed the feet of His disciples, cooked for them etc. Jesus the Creator left His glory and became flesh like us. Imagine a King leaving his kingdom to resettle in another town where nobody knows him. Jesus prayed that we would do greater works than He did and empowered us for it.

Responsibility even when not convenient: Paul was shipwrecked and arrested yet he still took his assignment to preach the gospel around seriously. Going to the Cross was not easy for Jesus either. He wept at a point when His assignment overwhelmed Him yet He did not give up or think of Himself. Luke 22:44: He prayed more fervently, and he was in such agony of spirit that his sweat fell to the ground like great drops of blood.

Leaving vengeance for God/Forgiveness: At the Cross, Jesus still prayed for his enemies; Joseph son of Jacob forgave his brothers; we are enjoined to forgive 70 * 7 times daily etc.

Willingness to forgo your ‘rights’ for peace/greater good and humility: Jesus taught ‘if they slap your left cheek, turn the right one’, if someone offends you, forgive 70 * 7, endurance, patience etc. etc. Philippians 2: 1 – 11 is a fantastic read.

Mercy: Joseph the husband of Mary and Joseph (is it the name?) the son of Jacob win this award. Joseph (Mary’s husband) found out she was pregnant while engaged to him and supposedly a virgin. In the state of hurt and disappointment, he was still contemplating how to break the engagement without ‘disgracing’ Mary. We also know Joseph the son of Jacob who forgave his half brothers who sold him into slavery and Potiphar’s wife who set him up.

Love and Compassion: the Bible is a story of love. All the law and prophets has been compressed into two: 1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind. 2. Love your neighbor as yourself. Again, the Bible is filled with stories of Jesus’ compassion; to his disciples, to his opponents, to sick people around, to those who rejected Him etc.

Putting others before yourself: Ephesians 5:21 tells us to submit one to another. Same with other verses in Paul’s epistles which teaches us to treat one another with humility and mercy.

Harmony: Hebrews 14:12 Follow peace with all men and holiness without which no man shall see the Lord. Colossians 3:12-13: Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.

Contentment: Godliness with contentment is great gain. Just how we are different parts of the body of Christ hence different functions/gifts/roles, we have different roles in the church, families, workplace, society etc. We should embrace those roles and ask for the grace to do them well.

So my dears, you cannot be a modern feminist/red piller and be a Christian. You cannot serve two masters; you need to choose your master.

I leave us with this Bible passage:
Colossians 2:8, KJV: "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."

Colossians 2:8, NLT: "Don't let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ."

Regards,
Bukatyne

. Don't compare redpill with Feminism, redpill is a philosophy applied on an individual level by men with regards to understanding the nature of women, understanding mordern society realities and personal development for men, it is not a marxist political movement like Feminism

Not every Redpiller is a Christian, but the Christian Brothers in the manosphere community are referred to as traditional (Christian) conservatives

Unlike Feminism which is anti-God from it's core foundation due to it been built by a marxist ( an atheist) ideology of class warfare between men and women

Redpill even has brought some brothers to Jesus as some liberal brothers who were tired of the progressive realities of mordern Feminism became traditional conservatives and have contributed immersely to the manosphere community

Gaming is an aspect of redpill for pickup Artist (players) and it's not its core

Other aspects are;
Men Go There Own Way (MGTOW)
Family men (Patriarchs)
Mens right Activist (MRA)
Long term relationship (girlfriend's game)
Christian manosphere

Feminism needed legislation for power and manipulated systems like marriages, child's custody, Redpill focuses on the individual mind of men to Grant them purpose.we aren't a socio-politcal movement

Mindlog:
Well captured and ended with an appropriate passage from the Bible, Colossians 2:8

See to it, then, that no one enslaves you by means of the worthless deceit of human wisdom, which comes from the teachings handed down by human beings and from the ruling spirits of the universe, and not from Christ. (Good News Translation)

Why did you now go to school?
Are you taught biblical wisdom in school?

sweetmelanin:
Nice write-up Buka.

Although, I think the Nigerian version of the "red pill" is highly misconstrued.. the movement is supposed to represent a mass awakening of men into the realisation that they've been handed a bad deal in modern relationships and marriage.

We live in a time where the very essence of masculinity is being branded as toxic/misogyny.. men are not allowed live in their true nature anymore, yet are still expected to remain traditionally chivalrous.. still providing and protecting women who are now supposedly "equal" to men and told to forgo their own nature to nurture the home and submit under her husband's authority.

..the many subgroups within the redpill movement all have a common goal .. and that is to reject the terrible aftermath of modern feminism as you have clearly explained in your write-up i.e.increased abortions (murder), rude, bitter and promiscous women, broken homes, displaced children, enmity between man and woman etc...

Too bad Nigerians have hijacked the term red pill as a excuse for throwing profanity and spreading sexual decadence.. Makes it hard for anti 'modern-feminism' women like myself to truly take a stance against the absolute depravity feminism has become.

God bless you

ImaIma1:
The concept of the redpill especially in Nigeria and on Nairaland symbolizes hatred, disdain and bitterness towards the opposite, and that cannot be Christian.

Most of them come across as atheists. And I doubt that the ones who are Christians even understand that their redpill cannot coexist with christianity.

Wisdom is profitable to direct.

You are very wrong
Only Feminist thinks this way
Redpill have so many Christian Brothers that we have a name for them in the manosphere community , they are called traditional conservatives

Many atheist (liberal) brothers received Christ on joining the redpill while interacting with us , now they believe in the Bible and apply to their personal lives

We still respect our atheistic brothers

bukatyne:


Same with the concept of modern-feminism.

It cannot co-exist with Christianity.

Wisdom is truly profitable to direct.

Redpill is built with the word of God

God the ultimate Patriach ,our heavenly father
Father Abraham , Father of many nations
Feminism is against fatherhood
Adam our first earthly father, the first SIMP

bukatyne:


Type of Christianity kwa?

Are there different types? Not doctrines; Christianity?

The tenets I put up there are general to all professing Christians.

Care to share the Bible verses?

Read proverbs, it focuses on men's having wisdom and strength with riches emphasizing masculinity
And
Women having virtue and been house hold keeper, and also how strange women weaken and destroy men emphasizing feminity

LordKO:
Quite an articulated post. I believe, however, that every crass and opportunistic or self-absorbing person personifies toxicity (if not evil) whether or not the person professes/identifies with Christianity/Religion, Red Pill, or Feminism. Unfortunately, they make up the majority in these circles.

I doff my hat to all conscientious men and women whether or not they identify with any organized religion, ideological movement, or dogmatic ideology.

Love is the greatest refreshment in life, and conscientious people are the personification of love. Jesus Christ, whom Christians modeled their religion on, is/was a conscientious human being.

We are not after revenge, some of us are angry on discovering the truth about your nature, very few allow their anger generate to bitterness which redpill as a philosophy strongly condemns

Some have abandoned women as a collective species , even if it means for them not to have children , the MGTOW movement

Ladyhippolyta88:

When I was a christian I did.

I see religion as something personal between me and my God I don't mix both if it were so many christians would have discarded science a long time ago since they needed to pick a side.It is not in your place to pick what is anti-christian I don't like religious fanatism I see humans before anything else in my relationship with people.

Humanism is an equalist approach
Spirituality is the key to understanding God on a fundamental level
Humanism in the long run fails

Ladyhippolyta88:

What do you mean by modern feminism and how does homosexuality relate with feminism?Also feminism is different in every society because what is advocated for is different depending on the society.
Also Christianity is influenced by culture and the environment it is practised religion shpuld evolve to fit modern realities.

There was no time feminism aligned with the bible before the time of the first wave feminism a lot of scholars and strong men used christianity and religion as a reason for holding women back be sincere with yourself.
It is high time people stop mixing social issues with religious books that have been written years ago that may or may not meet with modern realities because life must definitely evolve.

Bullshit
Men has never in the history held women back via religion
What arrant nonsense are saying ?
Don't you know that for most of history, men and women were collectively suffering as slaves or serfs depending on the culture, poverty was so grevious that life span was shorter for the two sexes, only the rich enjoyed in history

For you to mis-categorize history and describe it as an oppressive Patriachy where men systematically oppressed women is a gross misrepresentation of history

What nonsense

Ladyhippolyta88:


1.And I explained how feminism evolves and is subject to country and how homosexuality is not the same as feminism

2.It depends because the old testament is a part of the bible and christianity and there are verses in the bible both old and new testament we no longer adhere to or practice in today's world so yes things evolve and religion does or should too because it is not hidden knowledge that the bible has be reversed,re-written and even edited.

3.So why then are you being mischievious by trying to shitt on feminism using the bible?I am glad that you admit the bible can be twisted just as you are doing now I have no objection to your number 3

4.Like I said Nigeria by law is a secular society it should act like one and the society should be one because there are different beliefs of many people and I don't think it is healthy to mux religion with philosophy some will argue that religion is also philosophy

Homosexuality is an integral part in the evolution of Feminism, it's part of third wave Feminism

Ladyhippolyta88:
Because it is a public forum it is not in religion section to meet the targeted audience so don't be surprised if people like me step in here.Also the pastor is in his church this is a public forum and even some will still argue that God does not look at the dressing abd we were born naked even in times of old they were not fully clothed but God only looks at the heart and not physical outwardness.

You did because your interpretation is a view of yours which can be agreed or disagreed upon using the same bible which has been reviewed and some will argue has been changed too.

Trusting women to make their decision these mordern age is the greatest mistake men and society made, they failed to recognize the innate nature of women and concluded that because women are educated, have the same opportunities as men, have the same cognitive ability as men, can have IQ better or equal to men that means women are fundamentally equal to men

These is the error progressive Societies made and now they are paying the prize, they ignored women innate Hypergamous nature due to their menstrual realities, their Solipsisitic thinking nature,their rationalization hamsters,their group (herd) think,their Machiavellian ( manipulative) nature,their immaturity,their blame shifting nature , their Dissociation nature

AWALT(All Women Are Like That)
The educated, the adults, the beautiful,the rich,the poor one's none is unique is excempted

LilMissFavvy:
Yes, the kinds that maltreat their wives are the horseband, I call it whatever I like, it's none of your business.

Go back and understand everything about what patriarchy is before you quote me.

Also go back and read your Bible, you don't have any understanding, yet you quote me. The discrimination was caused by patriarchy, laws, traditions, Moses did not give his consent to allow the girls inherit, he knew such was not allowed. He inquired from God, and it was God who gave him the ''go ahead''. You want patriarchy, yet I'm not sure you would gladly cater for a woman, without robbing it on her face.

Liessss
Give us statistics,data and evidences

BLOODYSPERM:


Why did you now go to school?
Are you taught biblical wisdom in school?

What concerns my schooling and biblical wisdom?

Ladyhippolyta88:


Balderdash thank the heavens this is not true but just the rants of an entitled male with a deflated ego.Don't quote me again and go back to your hut.

Women are only educated to become crammer's and memorizers of data and statistics,even the ones with IQ, they don't have the capacity for intellectual curiosity and critical thinking,they are Solipsisitic in nature( don't think outside what affects them ),they make use of rationalization hamsters ( rationalizing events and information and interpreting them with feelings instead of facts), they don't apply logic but result to emotive reasoning,they need a grouplike structure ( Feminism) to give them a political voice and make them all appear as rational thinkers ,since individual females can't think on their own, they make use of Dissociation ( to rationalize their incompetency or mistakes and make it seems ok and normal)

There are rarely inventors and contribute meaningfully to society and civilization as a whole asides from giving birth to and rearing children

They would in a pragmatical and realistic sense always remain second class citizens because their fundamental nature cannot make them to embrace masculine virtues and responsiblities

There is nothing they can do about it, they can't fight their nature, even Egalitarianistic-Equalism , humanism and Feminism can't solve it

Mindlog:


What concerns my schooling and biblical wisdom?

Redpill is man made wisdom
Same as Biology and physics