YorubaPrince:


That must be ur mum, I guess.

No I meant the homosexual crackhead anus who insulted me. I talk to you?

Collyno82:
unfortunately the kingdom of God can't be liken to a barren woman. Cos God ask us to go and multiply, by extension evangelize. Evangelism brings about multitude. Even Jesus Christ during his evangelistic work, gathered multitude.

I gave instances of barren women that gave birth to one in a million children. The problem is that the church today seem to lack the mindset of God where quality supersedes numbers, that's why we're busy gathering thrash up and down and not quality like the church Christ built. Jesus gathered multitude but you should be able to figure out the difference between the multitude and His church.

Many are called but few are chosen. The many called are the multitude but the chosen few are His church that's why He spoke to them in parables at some point but revealed the meaning of the parable to His church. Many who were also called of His disciples left Him but the few chosen which is His church stayed. The point is that quality should come before numbers.

The gospel Jesus asked us to preach is the Word of the Spirit which He preached that made many of His disciples to turn their backs on Him, so the same result is expected if the Word He preached is preached. It would produce quality first before numbers. That's the only way we could be able to produce a church of similar quality to that which Jesus built.

God bless.

jesusjnr2020:
Matthew 22:14

The Truth is ignorance to those in the darkness but knowledge to those who walk in the light.

For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matthew 7:13-14 (KJV)

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Matthew 7:22-23 (KJV)

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

God bless.

Brother, inferring that ministries with crowds are false is wrong cos Jesus too pulled crowds...

And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people. And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatic, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them. And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan.
Matthew 4:23‭-‬25 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/mat.4.23-25.KJV

jesusjnr2020:
I gave instances of barren women that gave birth to one in a million children. The problem is that the church today seem to lack the mindset of God where quality supersedes numbers, that's why we're busy gathering thrash up and down and not quality like the church Christ built. Jesus gathered multitude but you should be able to figure out the difference between the multitude and His church.

Many are called but few are chosen. The many called are the multitude but the chosen few are His church that's why He spoke to them in parables at some point but revealed the meaning of the parable to His church. Many who were also called of His disciples left Him but the few chosen which is His church stayed. The point is that quality should come before numbers.

The gospel Jesus asked us to preach is the Word of the Spirit which He preached that made many of His disciples to turn their backs on Him, so the same result is expected if the Word He preached is preached. It would produce quality first before numbers. That's the only way we could be able to produce a church of similar quality to that which Jesus built.

God bless.

Sir, you have to understand that there are different kinds of ministries, different operations but the same spirit. There Apostles, prophets, teachers, helps etc & every one is given grace according to the measure of God's gift in him to profit the kingdom of God. that's why we must endeavor to play our part... Bible says he who is gifted in teaching should teach according to the measure of Grace God has given to them...

Fixey:



He didn't infer that in its entirety. I read through that comment. The quality must be on par with the quantity. Many ministries are quantity obsessed and by extension do not raise effectively spiritually developed and mature people. The consequence of these is the quality of persons you see around you even during interactions. Their convictions, resolve, resolutions, deeds, principles, morale, work ethic all derives energy from the spiritual training passed across



I've been I a church and a demon possesses lady with multiple demons was brought. The entire church to ministers ran away.

The same lady came to me, and started to tell stories and crack joke. This was continously over sessions for days



Know why I could when others fled...?

One word... Quality.


CC Jesusjnr2020

Thanks bro. Thank God not everyone lacks the orientation of Jesus where quality supersedes numbers. Really sad though how we expect to do things differently from Him and still achieve the same results.

May God help us to get back to the example Jesus set for us.

God bless.

Salt06:


Brother, inferring that ministries with crowds are false is wrong cos Jesus too pulled crowds...

And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people. And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatic, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them. And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan.
Matthew 4:23‭-‬25 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/mat.4.23-25.KJV

I think bro @fixey has perfectly addressed this hence no need to add anything else, except that you should try and figure out the difference between the multitude and the church. Many are called but few are chosen.

God bless.

Salt06:

Sir, you have to understand that there are different kinds of ministries, different operations but the same spirit. There Apostles, prophets, teachers, helps etc & every one is given grace according to the measure of God's gift in him to profit the kingdom of God. that's why we must endeavor to play our part... Bible says he who is gifted in teaching should teach according to the measure of Grace God has given to them...

If you can't still realize where you greatly err in placing numbers over quality contrary to what Jesus did, I don't think there's any need to further engage you.

You can continue in the path you've chosen.

God bless.

jesusjnr2020:
Thanks bro. Thank God not everyone lacks the orientation of Jesus where quality supersedes numbers. Really sad though how we expect to do things differently from Him and still achieve the same results.

May God help us to get back to the example Jesus set for us.

God bless.

God bless my brother. Quality must match Quantity. If I have 10 effective followers I've had more than enough. Jesus had just 12 and no one commands the respect He gets from God.


Quantity is carnal, Quality is spiritual, Quantity and Quality is Superb

Fixey:



God bless my brother. Quality must match Quantity. If I have 10 effective followers I've had more than enough. Jesus had just 12 and no one commands the respect He gets from God.


Quantity is carnal, Quality is spiritual, Quantity and Quality is Superb

Exactly bro.

I strive for quality before anything else, and if at the end I still get quantity, I know that I got quality in quantity.

God bless.

jesusjnr2020:
It's scripturally unfounded to you because you're still too spiritually blind to be able to see it. If it was about numbers, why did Jesus allow many to leave and few to stay?

Jesus would have done everything to keep the many even if it's to speak the words of the flesh which profits nothing in Truth as most of your church leaders do today. But He stuck with the Words of the Spirit which God had given to Him, to prove that church was not about numbers but spiritual quality.

And what Jesus told His disciples to do was not different from what He Himself was doing Himself, because it's still the same Gospel He preached that made many of His disciples leave that He commanded His disciples to preach not the words of the flesh which I believe is what you can see.

So your idea that church is about numbers is of this world not of God, because as Jesus showed, it's spiritual quality first before numbers.

God bless.

So in your head, Jesus died painfully for the whole world to be saved and come to the Father through him, yet same Jesus will be the one supporting the act of reducing the number of people who come to the Father? That doesn't sound foolish even to you?

I pray you truly allow the truth of God's word prevail on you, rather than holding on to a foolish stance all in order to avoid admitting that you erred on this one. This is all I'll say to you

DesignAndBuild:


So in your head, Jesus died painfully for the whole world to be saved and come to the Father through him, yet same Jesus will be the one supporting the act of reducing the number of people who come to the Father? That doesn't sound foolish even to you?

I pray you truly allow the truth of God's word prevail on you, rather than holding on to a foolish stance all in order to avoid admitting that you erred on this one. This is all I'll say to you

Perspectives

Same truth. Even Heaven is about Quality not Quantity. Dig deep

DesignAndBuild:


So in your head, Jesus died painfully for the whole world to be saved and come to the Father through him, yet same Jesus will be the one supporting the act of reducing the number of people who come to the Father? That doesn't sound foolish even to you?

I pray you truly allow the truth of God's word prevail on you, rather than holding on to a foolish stance all in order to avoid admitting that you erred on this one. This is all I'll say to you

If it's in my own head where it's written that only few are able to find the way that leads to life. Ironically the Person who said that is the same you said died painfully for the world to be saved, so perhaps you think you know better than Him or care more about souls than He did, hence His saying sounds foolish to you, because i'm only repeating His Words here.

Sadly though that's the reality of what the church has become today. They think they know better than the Master.

It's well obvious you're not of the Truth if not you'd be able to see the Truth in what I said since it absolutely complies with the Words of Jesus which itself is the Truth.

You should understand that the lies and words of the flesh which you know profits nothing, so you'd need to come to the knowledge of the Truth at some point because it alone can set you free...

God bless.

Neddstark:


No I meant the homosexual crackhead anus who insulted me. I talk to you?

But, you shouldn't be insulting ur mother like that, bro... That ain't cool.

Fahdiga:
Don't underestimate the power of fools in large numbers

You took it out of my mouth literally.

jesusjnr2020:
If you can't still realize where you greatly err in placing numbers over quality contrary to what Jesus did, I don't think there's any need to further engage you.

You can continue in the path you've chosen.

God bless.

My brother I'm not placing number over quality, which one is path I have a chosen again? Lol. Every true believer knows that the crowd thins out as we approach the cross - the place of self denial and death to self. U should understand the point I was trying to make. The post talked about the crowd in church and you replied talking about narrow is the way and my point was saying that the fact that the church had a crowd doesn't mean it's false. I'm sure you mean ministers should do better in terms of discipleship, I feel so too, we should do better. There's always a place where the crowd thins out and the wheat is seperated from the tares. Jesus said trying to do this before time would make one root out the wheat too. Jesus also talked about a man casting the net into the sea and catching all manner of fishes before sorting them out. You should know this. Pastors and believers have to take responsibility to properly teach and disciple people and set the right example but we should be careful not to make hasty conclusions....
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
1 Corinthians 4:5 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/1co.4.5.KJV

jesusjnr2020:
If you can't still realize where you greatly err in placing numbers over quality contrary to what Jesus did, I don't think there's any need to further engage you.

You can continue in the path you've chosen.

God bless.

You seem to be getting offended already. The reason for my replies is not to prove anything but just to emphasize that though we are many, we are one body in christ. By the mercies of God, our heart desire is for all to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.
At a point Elijah thought he was the only one right with God but God told him he had 7000 righteous men. How often do we think like that.

Fahdiga:
Don't underestimate the power of fools in large numbers

He who calls another a fool shall be in danger of hell. Matthew 5 :22
Remember that you shall be judged by every idle word you speak. Matthew 12 :36
You'll do well to receive Jesus into your life. Tomorrow may be too late. John 3 :16

Fixey:



God bless my brother. Quality must match Quantity. If I have 10 effective followers I've had more than enough. Jesus had just 12 and no one commands the respect He gets from God.


Quantity is carnal, Quality is spiritual, Quantity and Quality is Superb

I agree Quality and Quantity must match for it to be acceptable. We need good balance.
Jesus had the 1 beloved, the 3, the 12, the 70 the 120 and the multitude. At pentecost, we see 3000 saved in a day at the coming of the holy spirit and many more added daily to the church. These were the ones who went everywhere preaching the word when persecution began and they became scattered but like we've established , Discipleship usually thins out the crowd.
Some folks think they're right cos they're scanty, an extreme view. Others are at the other extreme think crowd mean approval... We must have a balanced approach... and make sure we are doing the will of God.
Jesus says to go into ALL the world and make disciples of All NATIONS...
Hence we should build capacity to match both Quantity and Quality.
We should also know that a kingdom divided against itself would not stand hence we should stand together in the place of prayers, love and kingdom labor

Fixey:



God bless my brother. Quality must match Quantity. If I have 10 effective followers I've had more than enough. Jesus had just 12 and no one commands the respect He gets from God.


Quantity is carnal, Quality is spiritual, Quantity and Quality is Superb

The parable of the sower is also worthy of note as we sow the seed of the word with diligence and the help of the spirit...
In that parable, the word produced in only 1/4 of the people who recieved it cos of the kind of heart they had...
Let's says you have a population of 40 persons, that's like 10 out of 40. We must trust God for more grace in our stewardship so as to bring more profit to God's kingdom

Quality over quantity anyday.

That audio sha about Suleiman was too bad. A man of God sounding like an ordinary carnal mind. The words he used in that audio shows he’s just scamming people in the name of God

jesusjnr2020:
Church is not about numbers but spiritual quality. Many of Jesus disciples left Him. That didn't make Him to be any less approved of God than He was. It in fact confirmed His focus being on pleasing God than on pleasing men.

John 6:66 (KJV)

From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

But those who have the orientation of the world would see that as a failure, but a success if He had done the contrary to make the many disciple remain, "but wisdom is justified of her children!"

The few disciples that remained with Jesus later became the pillars of greatest and most powerful ever church in history, to prove that church was not about numbers but spiritual quality!

God bless.

Can you tell me what is bashing him here or that you're being blindly driven by unfounded preconceptions?

The Truth certainly has many enemies but just a few friends!

pray for GOD to give you wisdom, seem like you are going on the road to hell, you need to retrace your step and live a clean life, avoid hatred for other people

Kennyfancy:
pray for GOD to give you wisdom, seem like you are going on the road to hell, you need to retrace your step and live a clean life, avoid hatred for other people

I don't need to pray to God to have the kind of wisdom which you have. It's common and of this world. I already have that which is not of this world but from above. So thanks but no thanks!

blueAgent:


That's were you fail.
The bitter truth is Africans and black do not have that mindset and skills you say the West have.

If all the African countries turn to Atheism today they will still remain the poorest nations on Earth.

Absence of Religeon or Christainity would not turn all the Africans to Mark Zukerberg or Jeff Bezo.

The Irony is that creativity Science,entrepreneurship and the mindset you mentioned can only come through Education, and funny Christianity gave Africans that.

A Nation like Nigeria where unemployment is rocket high, coupled with hunger and lack of development.... I Don't Mega Churches as a solution. BY THE WAY, WHY ARE CHURCHES AND MEN OF GOD AMASSING WEALTH AND BECOME MEGA RICH A THE EXPENSE OF THE CHURCH. IS THAT WHAT THE BIBLE SAY?! A MAN OF GOD ORDAINED TO PREACH THE GOSPEL IS NOT DESIGNED TO BE RICH. FIND OUT.

Salt06:

I agree Quality and Quantity must match for it to be acceptable. We need good balance.
Jesus had the 1 beloved, the 3, the 12, the 70 the 120 and the multitude. At pentecost, we see 3000 saved in a day at the coming of the holy spirit and many more added daily to the church. These were the ones who went everywhere preaching the word when persecution began and they became scattered but like we've established , Discipleship usually thins out the crowd.
Some folks think they're right cos they're scanty, an extreme view. Others are at the other extreme think crowd mean approval... We must have a balanced approach... and make sure we are doing the will of God.
Jesus says to go into ALL the world and make disciples of All NATIONS...
Hence we should build capacity to match both Quantity and Quality.
We should also know that a kingdom divided against itself would not stand hence we should stand together in the place of prayers, love and kingdom labor

My dear brother in many scenarios around us we can see clearly that it's more of quantity and not quality without over stretching issues


Have you not noticed a shallowness in people who cross your paths and call themselves Christians and behave less than they ought to


Be sincere..

Salt06:

The parable of the sower is also worthy of note as we sow the seed of the word with diligence and the help of the spirit...
In that parable, the word produced in only 1/4 of the people who recieved it cos of the kind of heart they had...
Let's says you have a population of 40 persons, that's like 10 out of 40. We must trust God for more grace in our stewardship so as to bring more profit to God's kingdom

That's the point I don't agree with you. With effective qualitative discipleship, even the heart is refined, renewed and transformed by the word

jesusjnr2020:
I gave instances of barren women that gave birth to one in a million children. The problem is that the church today seem to lack the mindset of God where quality supersedes numbers, that's why we're busy gathering thrash up and down and not quality like the church Christ built. Jesus gathered multitude but you should be able to figure out the difference between the multitude and His church.

Many are called but few are chosen. The many called are the multitude but the chosen few are His church that's why He spoke to them in parables at some point but revealed the meaning of the parable to His church. Many who were also called of His disciples left Him but the few chosen which is His church stayed. The point is that quality should come before numbers.

The gospel Jesus asked us to preach is the Word of the Spirit which He preached that made many of His disciples to turn their backs on Him, so the same result is expected if the Word He preached is preached. It would produce quality first before numbers. That's the only way we could be able to produce a church of similar quality to that which Jesus built.

God bless.

Unfortunately it is not in our hands to make perfect what you referred to as quality. Our mandate is to tell people that this same Jesus who died will surely come back again, whatever He makes out of the multitude we gathered for him is not in our place to judge if they are of quality. My take. Good morning n do have a wonderful day ahead.

Frankaka8:
A Nation like Nigeria where unemployment is rocket high, coupled with hunger and lack of development.... I Don't Mega Churches as a solution. BY THE WAY, WHY ARE CHURCHES AND MEN OF GOD AMASSING WEALTH AND BECOME MEGA RICH A THE EXPENSE OF THE CHURCH. IS THAT WHAT THE BIBLE SAY?! A MAN OF GOD ORDAINED TO PREACH THE GOSPEL IS NOT DESIGNED TO BE RICH. FIND OUT.

That's true, Christianity and Church should not be about amassing wealth by the so called men of God.

But I would not support the idea that Christianity is the reason for our poverty and unemployment. some will even claim that it was used by the west to cage Africans, that's a naive statement.

Fixey:




My dear brother in many scenarios around us we can see clearly that it's more of quantity and not quality without over stretching issues


Have you not noticed a shallowness in people who cross your paths and call themselves Christians and behave less than they ought to


Be sincere..

My brother did you see me exalt Quantity above Quality in my writings? I'm just opposed to the idealogy that small and pious looking means it's of God and large means God's not there.
That's how one woman-- my neighbor told me of a church she attended that was more like a witchcraft church. The pastor kept calling other churches worldly but was living In immorality with his secretary till she got pregnant. yet they act very piously, no earrings and all. Even after leaving she kept seeing the man in her dreams threatening her until God set her free after series of prayers and fasting.
It is well. Seems we are saying same thing in different ways. We must play our part and work with the holy spirit. I've served in many settings and capacities by the grace of God. Small churches, large churches, prison outreaches, hospital outreaches, rural evangelism, outreaches, UG fellowship, FCS meetings, Corpers fellowship, juvenile prison meetings etc. Rural areas in the far north, north east etc
Still currently work in the north...
I've seen people with different background but with a heart for God...
And those with a critical judgemental spirit sitting in Moses seat..
Baby Christians, carnal Christians, spiritual believers, religious Christians etc...
We accept everyone in love with a desire to win them as we play our part in love and trust God to have them come to the knowledge of the truth... GRACE and TRUTH must walk together if not we're no different from the pharisees.
GRACE without TRUTH will produce shallow believers like you've rightly said while TRUTH without GRACE will produce religious legalistic pharisee like people.

Fixey:




That's the point I don't agree with you. With effective qualitative discipleship, even the heart is refined, renewed and transformed by the word

Okay o. I've seen more transformation in the lives of people even year after in ministry when i play my part by giving the truth of God's word & prayer with the help of the Holy Spirit and let God be God in people's lives than when I think it's mainly by my effort /power...
Bro. Gbile said lots of mentors have wrongly to the extreme made themselves monitors of the lives of men...

Salt06:

Okay o. I've seen more transformation in the lives of people even year after in ministry when i play my part by giving the truth of God's word & prayer with the help of the Holy Spirit and let God be God in people's lives than when I think it's mainly by my effort /power...
Bro. Gbile said lots of mentors have wrongly to the extreme made themselves monitors of the lives of men...

Bro


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