BeigJawnson:
∆ Since you say all pastors and all religious leaders are all thieves, those before Christ and those after Christ then what can you say about these bible verses?

Ephesians 4:11-12
[11]And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
[12]for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,
Note the last statement, FOR THE EDIFYING OF THE BODY OF CHRIST... CAN THIEVES EDIFY THE BODY OF CHRIST.?

If those whom you listed were in fact sent from God then why didn't Paul himself heed any of the warnings given to him by many of the same prophets of the time he lived in? I believe that once you find the answer to that, you will come closer to understanding what Paul may have in fact meant by the statements in that passage.

By the way, I don't follow Paul. I instead follow Jesus Christ who made clear that He sent no shepherds(pastors) after His person.

Shut up, mumu. Each time you open your trap, you write a book. All the windy nonsense you're saying is trash. It's when people don't have anything meaningful to say that they write long epistles. Just like you.

BeigJawnson:


Thanks for calling me a church robber, you ain't God. Thanks for correcting my typographical err... I will correct it and stop taking tithe issue so personal, after all you can't quote a bible verse to further prove your points, it show how shallow minded you are and how you are a silly coward here... It not about just talking and arguing, it is to show how smart you are by further proving yourself to let us know how you are high with your IQ. I ain't a pastor or bishop. I am just a church member, I don't pay tithes, I give my tithes. If the pastor like, let him eats the tithes. That is non of my effing business. It is between him and His God.

Mind you, I am always happy when the things of God calls for money. It saddens my heart if I am unable to give... So I wonder why you are taking panadols for people headaches for giving tithes?

Hold your government responsible for not using your taxes well, after all they are accountable for it...

So if you are pained for people giving tithe, go and swallow a lid full of sniper, that will be good enough to get you out of this beautiful planet, since you hate seeing people giving tithes... Silly fellow. Uncivilized fellow.

Kobojunkie:
If those whom you listed were in fact sent from God then why didn't Paul himself heed any of the warnings given to him by many of the same prophets of the time he lived in? I believe that once you find the answer to that, you will come closer to understanding what Paul may have in fact meant by the statements in that passage.

By the way, I don't follow Paul. I instead follow Jesus Christ who made clear that He sent no shepherds(pastors) after His person.

So all what you are saying in essence is that there should be any prophet, religious leader, and whoever puts himself in that position is a thief right?

potent5:
Shut up, mumu. Each time you open your trap, you write a book. All the windy nonsense you're saying is trash. It's when people don't have anything meaningful to say that they write long epistles. Just like you.

I can't laugh, well it is you who don't have any meaningful thing to say to back up your silly points. I told you to back up your point with a bible verse, but you are hearing ranting and shouting like a dog who had miscarriage...

Arguments shouldn't be a thing, to be taken so personal, lol... You you have gone too far taken it personal. And arguments should be based on facts. But you a coward thinks you can bully me here on Nairaland. Show your facts to back your points. You are there ranting... Lol... Peace be unto my dear brother. God bless you. Remember Jesus loves you. Always learn to take arguments with factual facts not on silly talks.

Correct your grammar once again and then shut up.

BeigJawnson:


I can't laugh, well it is you who don't have any meaningful thing to say to back up your silly points. I told you to back up your point with a bible verse, but you are hearing ranting and shouting like a dog who had miscarriage...

Arguments shouldn't be a thing, to be taken so personal, lol... You you have gone too far taken it personal. And arguments should be based on facts. But you a coward thinks you can bully me here on Nairaland. Show your facts to back your points. You are there ranting... Lol... Peace be unto my dear brother. God bless you. Remember Jesus loves you. Always learn to take arguments with factual facts not on silly talks.

potent5:
Correct your grammar once again and then shut up.

Thanks for the correction... God bless you... Carry your head nack am for ground... IDGAF

BeigJawnson:
■ So all what you are saying in essence is that there should be any prophet, religious leader, and whoever puts himself in that position is a thief right?

Jesus Christ did not set up a System of Prophets, Pastors, at the likes, in His name; he did not send any prophets or pastors out in His name either. So, any and everyone who comes claiming to be sent out as a religious leader in the name of Jesus Christ is a liar and a thief.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ did not set up a System of Prophets, Pastors, at the likes, in His name; he did not send any prophets or pastors out in His name either. So, any and everyone who comes claiming to be sent out as a religious leader in the name of Jesus Christ is a liar and a thief.

Okay sir.... Then what can we call a church leader?

BeigJawnson:
■ Okay sir.... Then what can we call a church leader?

A thief!

And one more thing, The "church" described by Paul in 1 Corinthians 14 for instance is instead a reference to a general gathering of the Jewish people — both those who do not believe in Jesus Christ and maybe those who do. You would know this from the details contained in the statements made by Paul regarding the gatherings, particularly his many suggestions regarding prophets and prophecies.

26 So, brothers and sisters, what should you do? When you meet together, one person has a song, another has a teaching, and another has a new truth from God. One person speaks in a different language, and another interprets that language. The purpose of whatever you do should be to help everyone grow stronger in faith.
27 When you meet together, if anyone speaks to the group in a different language, it should be only two or no more than three people who do this. And they should speak one after the other. And someone else should interpret what they say.
28 But if there is no interpreter, then anyone who speaks in a different language should be quiet in the church meeting. They should speak only to themselves and to God.
29 And only two or three prophets should speak. The others should judge what they say.
30 And if a message from God comes to someone who is sitting, the first speaker should be quiet.
31 You can all prophesy one after the other. This way everyone can be taught and encouraged.
32 The spirits of prophets are under the control of the prophets themselves.
33 God is not a God of confusion but a God of peace. This is the rule for all the meetings of God’s people.
34 The women should keep quiet in these church meetings. They are not allowed to speak out but should be under authority, as the Law of Moses says.
35 If there is something they want to know, they should ask their own husbands at home. It is shameful for a woman to speak up like that in the church meeting.
36 God’s teaching did not come from you, and you are not the only ones who have received it.
37 If you think you are a prophet or that you have a spiritual gift, you should understand that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command.
38 If you do not accept this, you will not be accepted.
39 So my brothers and sisters, continue to give your attention to prophesying. And don’t stop anyone from using the gift of speaking in different languages.
40 But everything should be done in a way that is right and orderly. - 1 Corinthians 14 vs 26 - 46

So, if you closely examine what Paul said in the above passage, it becomes clear, that the church He mentioned in this case was not a gathering of believers or followers of Jesus Christ but rather a gathering that consisted of children of Isreal – sinners and non-sinners alike — to whom the Spirit of Prophesy promised by God to all the young men and women in the land at the time had descended upon - Joel 2 vs 28 - 31. In His Gospel, Jesus Christ made clear that He was the last prophet sent by God to the people of Israel. And it is important to note that unlike the God of Israel —YHWH —who declared in His Law that He would send prophets out among His people, Israel, in His Name, Jesus Christ never instituted an office of prophets in the Kingdom of God. This means that all the prophets — including the spirit of prophets proclaimed even in the book of Acts belonged not to the Kingdom of God but to the Old Law of Moses.

“After this, I will pour out my Spirit on all kinds of people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will have dreams,
and your young men will see visions. In those days I will pour out my Spirit even on servants, both men and women. - Joel 2 vs 28 - 29

The spirit of prophecy came upon all young men and women— including those who were already born-again at the time — in the land during the last days as prophesied by Joel and as such there were gatherings where people came together to exchange information on messages revealed to them. Paul stressed that all those in attendance of such meetings ought to honor the Law of Moses during those gatherings because they were concerned with issues of the Old traditions and not the New.

Kobojunkie:
A thief!

And one more thing, The "church" described by Paul in 1 Corinthians 14 for instance is instead a reference to a general gathering of the Jewish people — both those who do not believe in Jesus Christ and maybe those who do. You would know this from the details contained in the statements made by Paul regarding the gatherings, particularly his many suggestions regarding prophets and prophecies.
So, if you closely examine what Paul said in the above passage, it becomes clear, that the church He mentioned in this case was not a gathering of believers or followers of Jesus Christ but rather a gathering that consisted of children of Isreal – sinners and non-sinners alike — to whom the Spirit of Prophesy promised by God to all the young men and women in the land at the time had descended upon - Joel 2 vs 28 - 31. In His Gospel, Jesus Christ made clear that He was the last prophet sent by God to the people of Israel. And it is important to note that unlike the God of Israel —YHWH —who declared in His Law that He would send prophets out among His people, Israel, in His Name, Jesus Christ never instituted an office of prophets in the Kingdom of God. This means that all the prophets — including the spirit of prophets proclaimed even in the book of Acts belonged not to the Kingdom of God but to the Old Law of Moses.

“After this, I will pour out my Spirit on all kinds of people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will have dreams,
and your young men will see visions. In those days I will pour out my Spirit even on servants, both men and women. - Joel 2 vs 28 - 29

The spirit of prophecy came upon all young men and women— including those who were already born-again at the time — in the land during the last days as prophesied by Joel and as such there were gatherings where people came together to exchange information on messages revealed to them. Paul stressed that all those in attendance of such meetings ought to honor the Law of Moses during those gatherings because they were concerned with issues of the Old traditions and not the New.

Okay... I will like to draw you back to the drawing board of this argument... You said Jesus Christ said the religious leaders eg pastors/Shepherds before him and after Him are all thieves...


Then what can you say about these verse?
Jeremiah 3:15
[15]And I will give you shepherds according to My heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding.

From this verse we can see that God said He will give the Children of Israel Shepherds according to His own heart. Those shepherds now, can we say they are thieves too?

BeigJawnson:
■ Okay... I will like to draw you back to the drawing board of this argument... You said Jesus Christ said the religious leaders eg pastors/Shepherds before him and after Him are all thieves...
Then what can you say about these verse?
Jeremiah 3:15
[15]And I will give you shepherds according to My heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding.
From this verse we can see that God said He will give the Children of Israel Shepherds according to His own heart. Those shepherds now, can we say they are thieves too?

1. Context is king in understanding the word of God.

6 The Lord spoke to me during the time King Josiah was ruling the nation of Judah. He said, “Jeremiah, you saw the bad things Israel did! You saw how she was unfaithful to me. She was unfaithful to me with every idol on every hill and under every green tree.
7 I said to myself, ‘Israel will come back to me after she has finished doing these evil things.’ But she did not come back to me. And Israel’s unfaithful sister, Judah, saw what she did.
8 Israel was unfaithful, and she knew why I sent her away. Israel knew that I divorced her because she committed the sin of adultery. But that did not make her unfaithful sister afraid. Judah was not afraid. She also went out and acted like a prostitute.
9 Judah did not care that she was acting like a prostitute. So she made her country ‘dirty.’ She committed the sin of adultery by worshiping idols made out of stone and wood.
10 Israel’s unfaithful sister did not come back to me with her whole heart. She only pretended that she came back to me.” This message is from the Lord.
11 The Lord said to me, “Israel was not faithful to me, but she had a better excuse than unfaithful Judah.
12 Jeremiah, look toward the north and speak this message: “‘Come back, you faithless people of Israel.’ This message is from the Lord. ‘I will stop frowning at you. I am full of mercy.’ The Lord says, ‘I will not be angry with you forever.
13 But you must recognize your sin. You turned against the Lord your God. That is your sin. You worshiped the idols of other nations. You worshiped them under every green tree. You did not obey me.’” This message is from the Lord.
14 The Lord says, “You people are unfaithful, but come back to me because I am your master. I will take one person from every city and two people from every family and bring you to Zion.
15 Then I will give you new rulers who will be faithful to me. They will lead you with knowledge and understanding.
16 In those days there will be many of you in the land.” This message is from the Lord. “At that time people will never again say, ‘I remember the days when we had the Box of the Lord’s Agreement.’ They will not even think about the Holy Box anymore. They will not even remember or miss it. They will never make another Holy Box.
17 At that time the city of Jerusalem will be called the ‘Lord’s Throne.’ All nations will come together in the city of Jerusalem to give honor to the name of the Lord. They will not follow their stubborn, evil hearts anymore.
18 In those days the family of Judah will join the family of Israel. They will come together from a land in the north to the land I gave to their ancestors.” - Jeremiah 3 vs 6 - 18

The above passage details God's message and warning to the people of Judah after He had destroyed the nation of Israel in around 720BC and right before God then sent the people of Judah into captivity in the land of Babylon! Everything detailed happened to them as God said it would. And eventually, even after sending them the new shepherds and rulers — Nehemiah, Ezra, etc — the people failed God still.

Zion was eventually destroyed by YHWH — God of Israel — about 1900 years ago. My question to you is this. Why do you think a message meant for the people of Judah directly applies to you and your now in some way?

Kobojunkie:
1. Context is king in understanding the word of God.

The above passage details God's message and warning to the people of Judah after He had destroyed the nation of Israel in around 720BC and right before God then sent the people of Judah into captivity in the land of Babylon! Everything detailed happened to them as God said it would. And eventually, even after sending them the new shepherds and rulers — Nehemiah, Ezra, etc — the people failed God still.

Zion was eventually destroyed by YHWH — God of Israel — about 1900 years ago. My question to you is this. Why do you think a message meant for the people of Judah directly applies to you and your now in some way?

For God so loved the world, not the Jews only that He sent His only begotten Son.
Where else can we go other than the OT to rightly understand sacred space and the temple? Is there a more explicit declaration of YHWH’s incomparability than Isaiah 40, or a more succinct expression of substitutionary atonement than Isaiah 53? Where should we go to know what Paul means by “psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs” (Eph. 5:19; Col. 3:16)?

Finally, the NT worldview and teachings are built on the framework supplied in the OT.

BeigJawnson:
■ For God so loved the world, not the Jews only that He sent His only begotten Son. Where else can we go other than the OT to rightly understand sacred space and the temple?
■ Is there a more explicit declaration of YHWH’s incomparability than Isaiah 40, or a more succinct expression of substitutionary atonement than Isaiah 53?
■ Where should we go to know what Paul means by “psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs” (Eph. 5:19; Col. 3:16)? Finally, the NT worldview and teachings are built on the framework supplied in the OT.

Your first statement is wrong but more importantly let's not deviate in any manner from the main issue here which is that you lifted a verse from a passage that was meant instead as a warning to the nation of Judah back almost 2600 years ago. And there is everything wrong with that.

2. Please stop deviating abeg! You claim to be a worshipper of Jesus Christ, do you not? So, focus on the Law that is Jesus Christ, and stop trying to dribble around by pretending the Old Law of Moses somehow still applies to you.

3. Jesus Christ never commanded psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs in what is the New Agreement, so of what real value to this here conversation is that information which you point out then?

The Old Law and the Prophets are meant as a source of information, yes, but this information should in no way be used to contravene or as some sort of supplement to the New Law, Jesus Christ. That much Jesus Christ made abundantly clear when He said that those who love Him obey His teachings and His commandments — they do not mix or store New Wine in Old wineskin.

So, again, Jesus Christ made clear that He, alone, is the good Shepherd — every other shepherd is bad — in the Kingdom of God. Jesus Christ never set up an office of prophets, of shepherds, or even of Teachers/Heads/Authorities. What that means is that everyone who claims to be any such in the Kingdom of God is a liar and a thief.

Kobojunkie:

2. Please stop deviating abeg! You claim to be a worshipper of Jesus Christ, do you not? So, focus on the Law that is Jesus Christ, and stop trying to dribble around by pretending the Old Law of Moses somehow still applies to you.


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Are you saying the law of moses should be neglected and not followed as a Christian?


Then why do we follow the ten commandments?

BeigJawnson:
■ Are you saying the law of moses should be neglected and not followed as a Christian?
■ Then why do we follow the ten commandments?

1. Jesus Christ said, "Those who love Him are those who obey His teachings and His commandments — not Moses' teachings and commandments." Surely, you don't believe that Jesus Christ lied when He said those words, do you?

2. Who said you should follow the 10 commandments though? I didn't tell you that!

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ said, "Those who love Him are those who obey His teachings and His commandments — not Moses' teachings and commandments." Surely, you don't believe that Jesus Christ lied when He said those words, do you?

2. Who said you should follow the 10 commandments though? I didn't tell you that!

Hahahaha you moniker has say it all, KOBOJUNKIE... full of silly and junks tales
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Spare me abeg...

You said it, you said I should leave the law of Moses that it never applies to we Christians..


Now are you saying, I should follow the ten commandments of Moses?

Now, tell me, which of the ten commandments of Moses Jesus Himself didn't buttress in His own commandments...? Did Jesus go against the any Law of Moses in His own commandments?
Kobojunkies bring them in, I mean your junkies

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ said, "Those who love Him are those who obey His teachings and His commandments — not Moses' teachings and commandments." Surely, you don't believe that Jesus Christ lied when He said those words, do you?

2. Who said you should follow the 10 commandments though? I didn't tell you that!

You called the prophets and religious leaders before Jesus Christ thieves...

Now, look at what Jesus says here..


Matthew 5:17 (“Do not think that I have come to abolish Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”

So, with the junkies in your head, what do you have to say to this?

BeigJawnson:
■ Hahahaha you moniker has say it all, KOBOJUNKIE... full of silly and junks tales
■ Spare me abeg...You said it, you said I should leave the law of Moses that it never applies to we Christians..
■ Now are you saying, I should follow the ten commandments of Moses?
■ Now, tell me, which of the ten commandments of Moses Jesus Himself didn't buttress in His own commandments...? Did Jesus go against the any Law of Moses in His own commandments? Kobojunkies bring them in, I mean your junkies

The cowardice of the Christian faith has finally reared its ugly head yet again!

2. I am not Jesus Christ for you to ascribe His Words to my person! The passages below clearly indicate that Jesus Christ is the one who said all that you are obviously inflamed by.

15 “If you love me, you will do what I command.
16 I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper[a] to be with you forever.
17 The Helper is the Spirit of truth. The people of the world cannot accept him, because they don’t see him or know him. But you know him. He lives with you, and he will be in you.
18 “I will not leave you all alone like orphans. I will come back to you.
19 In a very short time the people in the world will not see me anymore. But you will see me. You will live because I live.
20 On that day you will know that I am in the Father. You will know that you are in me and I am in you.
21 Those who really love me are the ones who not only know my commands but also obey them. My Father will love such people, and I will love them. I will make myself known to them.”
22 Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “Lord, how will you make yourself known to us, but not to the world?”
23 Jesus answered, “All who love me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them. My Father and I will come to them and live with them.
24 But anyone who does not love me does not obey my teaching. This teaching that you hear is not really mine. It is from my Father who sent me. - John 14 vs 15 - 24

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10 I have obeyed my Father’s commands, and he continues to love me. In the same way, if you obey my commands, I will continue to love you.
11 I have told you these things so that you can have the true happiness that I have. I want you to be completely happy.
12 This is what I command you: Love each other as I have loved you.
13 The greatest love people can show is to die for their friends.
14 You are my friends if you do what I tell you to do. - John 15 vs 10 - 14

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16 “When someone sews a patch over a hole in an old coat, they never use a piece of cloth that has not already been shrunk. If they do, the patch will shrink and pull away from the coat. Then the hole will be worse.
17 Also, people never pour new wine into old wineskins. They would break, the wine would spill out, and the wineskins would be ruined. People always put new wine into new wineskins, which won’t break, and the wine stays good.” - Matthew 9 vs 16 - 17

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21 “When someone sews a patch over a hole in an old coat, they never use a piece of cloth that is not yet shrunk. If they do, the patch will shrink and pull away from the coat. Then the hole will be worse.
22 Also, no one ever pours new wine into old wineskins. The wine would break them, and the wine would be ruined along with the wineskins. You always put new wine into new wineskins.” - Mark 2 vs 21 - 22

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36 Jesus told them this story: “No one takes cloth off a new coat to cover a hole in an old coat. That would ruin the new coat, and the cloth from the new coat would not be the same as the old cloth.
37 Also, no one ever pours new wine into old wineskins. The new wine would break them. The wine would spill out, and the wineskins would be ruined.
38 You always put new wine into new wineskins.
39 No one who drinks old wine wants new wine. They say, ‘The old wine is just fine.’” - Luke 5 vs 36 - 39

Why not attack Jesus Christ directly instead of attacking me like a coward!

3. That is a lie as I never said you should follow the 10 commandments. I don't know where you got that from.

4. You clearly have not even a single understanding of the commandments given by Jesus Christ himself, do you? I suggest you visit the following link to see how Jesus Christ's commandments differ from even the 10 commandments of the Old Law of Moses.

As Jesus Christ said in Luke 5 vs 39, there was nothing wrong with the Old Wine. Only when you decide to pitch your tent in the New Law, you are to completely disengage from the Old in other to benefit from the New.

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ said, "Those who love Him are those who obey His teachings and His commandments — not Moses' teachings and commandments." Surely, you don't believe that Jesus Christ lied when He said those words, do you?

2. Who said you should follow the 10 commandments though? I didn't tell you that!

Are you there?

Matthew 5:17 (“Do not think that I have come to abolish Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”

But you called those prophets and religious leaders before Jesus thieves... What can you say about this verse?

Kobojunkie:
The cowardice of the Christian faith has finally reared its ugly head yet again!

2. I am not Jesus Christ for you to ascribe His Words to my person! The passages below clearly indicate that Jesus Christ is the one who said all that you are obviously inflamed by.
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Why not attack Jesus Christ directly instead of attacking me like a coward!

3. That is a lie as I never said you should follow the 10 commandments. I don't know where you got that from.

4. You clearly have not even a single understanding of the commandments given by Jesus Christ himself, do you? I suggest you visit the following link to see how Jesus Christ's commandments differ from even the 10 commandments of the Old Law of Moses.

As Jesus Christ said in Luke 5 vs 39, there was nothing wrong with the Old Wine. Only when you decide to pitch your tent in the New Law, you are to completely disengage from the Old in other to benefit from the New.

Hahahahahah.... I laugh so hard...

So Luke 5vs 39 says once we pitch our tents with the new testaments then we are completely disengaged from old testament and you didn't tell me not to follow the ten commandments of moses right? You are completedly out of your mind kobojunkie... Hahahahahahaha. You must be a silly fellow. Confused fellow...

BeigJawnson:
Are you there? Matthew 5:17 (“Do not think that I have come to abolish Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”
■ But you called those prophets and religious leaders before Jesus thieves...
■ What can you say about this verse?

Where exactly do you have me calling all those prophets and religious leaders before Jesus Christ thieves? I need to be on the same page with you here to understand were you are going with this.

2. Jesus Christ was born an Israelite and the Constitutional Law in the Land at the time was the Law of Moses which every Israelite man was commanded to submit to and obey to fulfill it. And as Jesus Christ said, He came to fulfill it — same as every Israelite — not abolish it. Now, tell me what that verse has to do with this here conversation. Or is it that you don't bother reading at all, and simply think by blindly responding you can somehow win against Jesus Christ?

BeigJawnson:
■ Hahahahahah.... I laugh so hard... So Luke 5vs 39 says once we pitch our tents with the new testaments then we are completely disengaged from old testament and you didn't tell me not to follow the ten commandments of moses right?
■ You are completedly out of your mind kobojunkie... Hahahahahahaha. You must be a silly fellow. Confused fellow...

Compare what I in fact typed up there to the conclusion reached by your person regarding the content of that one verse Luke 5 vs 39.

As Jesus Christ said in Luke 5 vs 39, there was nothing wrong with the Old Wine. Only when you decide to pitch your tent in the New Law, you are to completely disengage from the Old in other to benefit from the New

Are you certain you are alright at all?

2. I am not the one cognitively struggling here! The confusion seems immensely strong with you and understandably so because you've realized that you have been going against Jesus Christ all this while. Attacking me is simply your way to deal with this new reality that has hit you.

Tithe robber, I hear you.

BeigJawnson:



Thanks for the correction... God bless you... Carry your head nack am for ground... IDGAF

potent5:
Tithe robber, I hear you.

Thanks painful and sorrowful heart over tithe... May the issue of tithe continue to tight you ... Lol

Kobojunkie:
Compare what I in fact typed up there to the conclusion reached by your person regarding the content of that one verse Luke 5 vs 39.
Are you certain you are alright at all?

2. I am not the one cognitively struggling here! The confusion seems immensely strong with you and understandably so because you've realized that you have been going against Jesus Christ all this while. Attacking me is simply your way to deal with this new reality that has hit you.

Hahahahahahahaha which new realities? I can't just stop laughing..
I wonder where it says we should disengage from Old testament... If I quote a verse, you will say I am quoting out of context, but now you are quoting a verse which is Luke 5vs39 saying it is telling us to disengage...

Luke 5:32-39
[32]I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”

Jesus Is Questioned About Fasting

[33]Then they said to Him, “Why do the disciples of John fast often and make prayers, and likewise those of the Pharisees, but Yours eat and drink?”
[34]And He said to them, “Can you make the friends of the bridegroom fast while the bridegroom is with them?
[35]But the days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them; then they will fast in those days.”
[36]Then He spoke a parable to them: “No one puts a piece from a new garment on an old one; otherwise the new makes a tear, and also the piece that was taken out of the new does not match the old.
[37]And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined.
[38]But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved.
[39]And no one, having drunk old wine, immediately desires new; for he says, ‘The old is better.’ ”

Continue to support stealing in the name of tithe and offering. Ole. Your fellow religious thieves are being jailed daily for stealing through tithe and offering. You and your colleagues in stealing are afraid to go to places like the US to try that rubbish. Thief.

BeigJawnson:


Thanks painful and sorrowful heart over tithe... May the issue of tithe continue to tight you ... Lol

potent5:
Continue to support stealing in the name of tithe and offering. Ole. Your fellow religious thieves are being jailed daily for stealing through tithe and offering. You and your colleagues in stealing are afraid to go to places like the US to try that rubbish. Thief.

Painful and sorrowful fellow. Just carry your pains and sorrowful heart away from here... I don't know why tithe is a thorn in your stinking flesh
... Lol... I can see you are pained to the marrow... Don't get depressed fella. Till you die, people will continue to give tithe and to the works of God, and there is nothing 1million of you can do about it than to be pained and pained till death.

Kobojunkie:
Where exactly do you have me calling all those prophets and religious leaders before Jesus Christ thieves? I need to be on the same page with you here to understand were you are going with this.

2. Jesus Christ was born an Israelite and the Constitutional Law in the Land at the time was the Law of Moses which every Israelite man was commanded to submit to and obey to fulfill it. And as Jesus Christ said, He came to fulfill it — same as every Israelite — not abolish it. Now, tell me what that verse has to do with this here conversation. Or is it that you don't bother reading at all, and simply think by blindly responding you can somehow win against Jesus Christ?

This is your statement...👇👇👇

I know them as thieves because YHWH Himself said they are, and Jesus Christ confirmed this to be so. undecided

My intention like that of Jesus Christ before me is not to stop them, but to make known their identity to those who would listen. undecided

Remember, Prophet Jeremiah, Prophet Elijah and Elisha, Prophet Nehemiah and so on where all Prophets and religious leaders before Jesus Christ, are they thieves too?

potent5:
Continue to support stealing in the name of tithe and offering. Ole. Your fellow religious thieves are being jailed daily for stealing through tithe and offering. You and your colleagues in stealing are afraid to go to places like the US to try that rubbish. Thief.

Even in the US. The Christians there pay tithe. That reminds me of a friend there who told me he pays tithe...

BeigJawnson:
∆ This is your statement...👇👇👇

I know them as thieves because YHWH Himself said they are, and Jesus Christ confirmed this to be so. undecided

My intention like that of Jesus Christ before me is not to stop them, but to make known their identity to those who would listen. undecided
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let's remove the noise so we can better focus.

The statement of mine you quoted indicates that what I believe is what YHWH and Jesus Christ said of them being thieves and i remember clearly giving you Ezekiel 34 vs 1 -31 and John 10 vs 7 - 16 for reference. My question then to you is, "Is it then the case that you believe that YHWH and Jesus Christ in the passages provided, equally make the claim you accuse me of?"

Oya, ask your thieving papa GO to go there and be dealing with the tithe without accountability the way he was yarning here and see if he won't rot in jail.

BeigJawnson:


Even in the US. The Christians there pay tithe. That reminds me of a friend there who told me he pays tithe...

potent5:
Oya, ask your thieving papa GO to go there and be dealing with the tithe without accountability the way he was yarning here and see if he won't rot in jail.

You really need a pain killer... Lol

Well for a fact, I am not a member of RCCG. But the friend of mine is a core member right from Nigeria till he travelled to the US. And he is still a member over there... And he gives his tithe back to back. So your pain here, I dont know... If we don't give to God, na devil we go give to ni?