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BrickDevo:
i am not dropping any evidence bro i am simply stating my first time experience buying from her, as someone who constantly get to see her product displayed here, I held her in high esteem. But i was disappointed. It's not an argument or something to be debated. Either you take it or leave it.

I'm done with that matter.

chadbasin:
You need proof? Who gives a damn about you?
I've earlier said she did the same thing to me and I did not and will not provide any proof. What are you going to do?
I'm sure you are suffering from lack of sales. Please go and keep yourself busy with something worthwhile, this clearly isn't for you. I also suggest you look for bad phones, FIX and sell.
I'll need proof

You're late. You can continue the argument alone.
I am done with that matter.
You're free to type whatever you like, it's your keyboard.

Unbanned.

abbey086:
You're the one that is dangerous and appear irrational here, after telling you that numerous customers complained about her bad attitudes here previously with enough evidence, she was asked to state her own side/facts, bit never for once did that, but would rather continue to advertise like nothing happen, and you're here demanding for proof, if you believe that people are unfair to her, kindly follow her own pattern of business by ignoring and ghosting your customer the moment money exchange hands and see if you're going to have headway in the business or not. You're here defending nonsense.

Baba, all that you have said is what I have said. But every new accusation, should be accompanied with proof, like the rest. What's to say you're not lying about the new one and not trying to hide under the shadow of the old. If you have no evidence, or won't present, your case should be thrown out. Justice is for both parties.

abbey086:
Oga go and sit down, you're the only one seeing the issue from different angle entirely.
Go through my history, I've never for once commented on her issue before, even when it was hotter than the current issue on ground, I would rather prefer to be a ghost reader, but what prompted me comment is that it has been her way of business and it is highly unfair to the customers who trusted her with their hard earn money only to get services they are not happy about. You're shouting bring out evidence, what did you do with the evidence the complainant brought forward?
Go and sit down my friend.

If you were the one, you won't demand evidence, you will just judge based on historical records?
Some of you are dangerous oh.
On every new case, you must uphold the presumption of innocence regardless of the past record.
I will rather ask for proof than to believe the wrong thing or to believe without any form of proof

When you go to complain, they'll tell you "start from what happened today"
He slap you yesterday, no mean say no be you go slap am this morning.

zanjorrg:
In as much you are trying to be fair, when two or more people are saying one thing, before you come out to defend that person, run a background check on that person.

There are some sellers here that once they are called out, people will start saying why did you do business when you know they (the sellers) have bad customer services. In that case, will you say you need evidence?

Always run a background check yourself before coming out to demand evidence

No, no, no, proof is to further establish your claim, not against you, it to guide the public on what to believe. It will either help you or expose you.

Background checks is only when the matter is established and is completely inconsequential in determining the verdict when there is proof.

abbey086:
This clearly shows that you've not been here for long, this has been done here on many occasions in the past, customers forwarded their proofs, and people drawn their own conclusions, she was even given the benefit of doubts and asked to state her own side of the issue, but she has never mention anything on the issue but would rather continue to advertise her products as if nothing happened.

You're missing it, and I don't think you will ever see it, that's all I've been saying since morning, some of you are just evil. Drop proof with every new accusation. If the former people did, why don't you?

Will you judge someone without a trial?

So because someone has a criminal record, he is guilty of any future accusation? May God not put power in the hands of some of you oh.

The burden of proof lies upon the accuser.

Drop proof with every new accusation, if you can take the stress of accusing, they born you well not to add proof?

And if you don't have proof, say "I am also a victim, but I don't have proof" we know how to class that.

abbey086:
Are you her PR or alternate account fir shouting bring out proof.
If you want proofs, take your time and go through all her mentions on this thread for years now.
The person you're defending will never take state her own side of the issue here as it has been her way, but you're here shouting bring proof as if it will solve the issue on ground.

I'm not defending anybody. I guess you just can't understand it.

Nairaland policy has always been when you accuse someone, they'll say "drop proof" when you do, they'll say "oya, so, so, so, respond, he has dropped proof" but it's changing by some self righteous people who think they have earned enough reputation to accuse anybody they like without being challenged. That only casts doubt on your acclaimed righteousness, if you can't drop proof of your claims.

zanjorrg:
You want to protect seller like you. You forgot every seller today is a potential buyer tomorrow.

If you like, treat customers the way you like and be shouting evidence.

You have a right to type what you want with your keyboard.

But when someone is accused, don't always be too hasty to accuse also, the first thing should be to ask for proof.

zanjorrg:
The way you are just shouting bring evidence like say the person involved can't defend herself is worryisome. Always try to understand, from the chat on the 15th, it was clear that they had voice conversations. If what the guy said is not true about her, she should come and defend herself.

I can now see from your later post that you misunderstood the guy. Don't be too eager to speak for someone who can hear and speak.

Before we even get to speak for someone or not, you brought a matter to the public, that will paint someone bad, you should drop proof, you have proof you're referring to, drop it. Then, people can see and draw theur conclusions. That's how to be just

abbey086:
More than enough facts have been presented before, and they all follow the same pattern, and what is the pattern? BAD ATTITUDE and AFTER SALES SERVICE issues. Nobody has ever complained that she scammed them, but the issue is her attitude and she start ghosting or ignore your calls/messages when you complain, that is what normally leads her customers to call her out here.

But drop proof at every accusations.

BrickDevo specifically (I'm not saying he's false) did not drop proof. That's my only objection.
The other guy that dropped proof, openair, that's the right way to go, "always". There's great probability he's right from his evidence and it will be so until we get contrary or explanations that matxhes the weight from her side.
But drop proof!

That's how they beat people in the market, because they heard that someone used to steal, and there's a new accusation, he should be given a benefit of doubt on every new accusation.

noobody:
It is not your type that I would reply to..
You have your issues here also.

And also when did you turn to her PR specialist?

Did she tell you she can't defend her self?

Pr is not needed.

Whenever you want to air your displeasure to the general public (you want them to come in notice) and it is something that will make them perceive someone in a bad light, the same members of the public have the right to demand proof or ask you to keep quiet (you, brought yourself our to them).

noobody:
It is not your type that I would reply to..
You have your issues here also.

And also when did you turn to her PR specialist?

Did she tell you she can't defend her self?

What issues?

(Person go spend new year for remand)



Why didn't you drop evidence here, when you said you have had a similar experience with her?

No matter who you are or not, you should accompany your accusations with proof and that even tells on your character

abbey086:
If you happen to be an old member of this great forum, you would have understood the issue better. The same complaint has been levelling on her on this same platform on many occasions for more than 5 years now by her numerous customers, and she had never for one day stated her own side of the issue but would rather Continue to advertise her products as if nothing happened.
There are there are at least 2 of them like that that I will never patronise no matter how cheap or fantastic their products look like because of their bad attitudes.
When you're in business, you don't joke with your customers because you're producing or selling not for your own sake, but because of your customers want.
So attitude matters alot in business because it would determine how successful or otherwise you're going to be in the field.
I render services and I don't joke with my customers, I ensure that I satisfy them to the core even those are very difficult to satisfy.

No arguments with what you have said at all. But don't you agree that it's right that every new accusation should be presented with readily evidence of what you're referencing? And not be based on people's past behavior?

What's to say that someone cannot hide under that umbrella of "past notorious behaviour" and lie against anyone and then, you support them to be right. Is that acceptable?
I think people should have enough dignity and self respect to include proof with their accusations or shut up.

Openair:
I understand you are trying to be impartial here and it's fine. But please if you can call her so that she can also come here and say her own side of the story it'll be great.

No, you're right bro. I was wrong and unjust to continue my onslaught on you after your second explanation about the calls.
As you have done (isn't it good now?), every other accusers should also drop their proof or remove their accusations.

Openair:
Oga I only said my own experience from 15th to today and it's about 9 days and I never got a message or anything. ..
I have gotten things from people here and written reviews about them. That's my experience with her. I pray she responds maybe then she'll tell me why she didn't respond again even though we talked before I left where I was.

To be sincere, after your second explanation of the chats, it was more understandable what transpired and that I didn't fully understand the chats. So your claims are legit from that point.

noobody:
Exactly as reviewed

Terrible experience with her also.

Drop evidence with your claim, so it can be founded.

Even if 500 persons says they have had an unpleasant experience with her I the past, those 500 persons must have dropped the necessary proof to back up before it can go into record.

And even, if those accusations are substantiated, that does not mean she is automatically guilty of any future similar accusation. Any new accusation must be accompanied with proof or should be dropped in the bin 🚮.

Taiwo20:
No vex, should i delete my posts?

I expected you to say post evidence before just accepting it.
He might be true, he might be false, but it's a dangerous thing to just accept without evidence. Imagine if he is found false and you've allied yourself with him.

Openair:
Oga you sell gadgets so you should understand how WhatsApp works... you can clearly see that the first message was before 15th and then on the 15th, there were multiple calls and in those calls she confirmed she was at trade fair and was going to send me her shop address, then I told her I was going to be on my way.... on the way, i chatted her up that I was still waiting for the address. When I got to the place I called no response, then I sent the last message all this was on the 15th

My mistake.

Openair:
You should have read and understood that even after I asked of her location and she said trade fair, on the said day I was coming, I called her and we talked (you could have seen different calls there). And also, you could have seen my message there that said "I am now a trade fair and no response from you"... so you should try read and assimilate before you type gibberish

If e sure for you, give us full chats screenshot to prove all these happened on the same day. If you won't be exposed.

Taiwo20:
i am not judging, If he can mention the bad experience. He should also mention the good experience.

No bad experience yet without proof.

If someone comes tomorrow and says they had a bad experience with you, no proofs, automatically, that's a bad experience?

If someone took it like that, you go like am?

I don't know any of the parties but injustice dey turn belle too much to ignore sometimes.
If you notice I deleted my first reply to BrickDevo asking for evidence, I just wanted to go on my own. I've noticed that trend on this particular thread recently, but I just moved.

Don't be dropping accusations without evidence!!

Don't be supporting accusations without evidence!!

That's how they beat innocent people in marketplaces, later they'll join and say "nigeria is a zoo" but they themselves are the wild animals.

Openair:
You should have read and understood that even after I asked of her location and she said trade fair, on the said day I was coming, I called her and we talked (you could have seen different calls there). And also, you could have seen my message there that said "I am now a trade fair and no response from you"... so you should try read and assimilate before you type gibberish

I am simply referencing your own evidence.

Your chat shows it happened on a different day oga. Your memory is not aligning with actual events and your mouth with obvious truth.

Anuoreangel @17:03 (day unknown): "Tradefair"

Your next replies

Openair @"11:39"

11:39 am is before 17:03 (5:03pm) so, unless you time-travelled.

Taiwo20:
mention the other guy so that we could follow him here.

No evidence, you don judge.

Openair:
I saw slippers she posted, called and chatted her up on WhatsApp... she said her shop's at Trade Fair and I told her was around that side at that time... Got to tradefair called on WhatsApp and normal calls but she didn't pick up... I had to look for other shops that sell footwears to get the slippers and even got a sneakers I liked... Mine was just last week sef

This your narration no rhyme with the chat screenshot. Specifically the bolded.
From the chat screenshot, we can see that the "tradefair" and I'm at Tradefair happend on two different days (we don't know have timeline for the first "tradefair" conversation. could be 5 days apart?) but you sandwiched it to look like you were ghosted in your narration rather than unreachability (see why evidence is good?).
Exercise restraints before jumping on opportunity to make businesses look bad.

That first guy, BrickDevo also should drop evidence along with his accusations. (full screenshot of chats he referred to, every single thing that transpired)

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