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jpmoriarti:
You were being mischievous when you know Getafe does not have the qualities to go toe to toe with Real Madrid or Barcelona. Newcastle has the resources and they're a UCL playing team. So you can't compare both of them.

Mischievous to gain what online lol. I don't operate like that. Nothing to gain bruv.
I was just looking for Laliga teams to compare. Only Barca, Madrid and Real Betis play open game in Laliga. In the EPL, I can only think of Burnley.

jpmoriarti:
You’re just being insincere and disingenuous.

So, with France slicing through Argentina midfield and numerous creating one vs one opportunities with the goalkeeper including the last opportunity missed by Randl Kolo Muani, it was the failure of Otamendi but if it were Barcelona, you'd immediately blame it on Frenkie de Jong.

France had zero chance and Argentina with Enzo Chukwu controlled the game so well that it was looking like the most one sided world cup in football history until Otamendi gave away a needless penalty in the 80th minute.

Muani's chance was more of a clearance by Konate than landed in front of the gk. Blame CBs for that kind of chance not DM.

Baba you sure say you watch 22 WC final?

patrickmuf:
That you are comparing Getafe to Newcastle to drive home your point tells me that you're not being sincere. Newcastle is best compared to Bilbao. Now, did you watch Man City vs Forest?

Vini is not a good dribbler, he has pace and some trickery and that's it. And if you want to have a go about goal return of specific players to judge a league then I must say you should do a little research.

They're players who struggle in one league and do well in another, it has little to do with the quality of the league especially when you're talking about the top leagues. Sometimes, it could be that the quality of teammates is better or the setup of the team is best suited for the players. Other times, it could be that the player is more settled in the city and has the trust of the coach.

No I'm not trying to be mischievous and I wasn't doing a direct comparison. Okay let's use Westham with Summerville and Bowen on both wings to drive home the point. Rashford Will have more joy playing Westham than Getafe.

I think Vini is a good dribbler.

jpmoriarti:
And he proceeded to get some of the worst ratings in a world cup final. Nearly lost the world cup for Lionel Messi 😬😬 Never again 😑

The title is for Otamendi who gave away a needless pk.

Meanwhile, Don't focus on his right hand. Observe the left hand

Kilishihunter:
Chief I thought we've already been over this na. I never said ferran is a better striker than Igor Thiago. I'm also tired of him. I just talked of him not fitting into our team


I think the plan is to get senesi from Bournemouth on a free and sign him if Tottenham get relegated cause I doubt he'll be in our price range plus Tottenham's reluctance to let him go when he has not even played an official game for them, we can't afford bastoni and schlotterbeck looks Madrid bound

Senesi will be good. EPL tested player with great passing. Coming on a free will be good for Barca too. Yeah Vuskovic will be Hella expensive even if Spurs relegate.

patrickmuf:
I watch a lot of both leagues. For me, there's less time for players to stop and think in the EPL compared to La Liga. I don't have that players have much more space in the EPL but then, it's fine if you say so.

I watch both leagues too. A game between Man United and Newcastle will have both Barnes and Elanga flying on both wings. A game between Barca and Getafe or Osasuna will have at least 8 players behind the ball. There's no way a player of Rashord's ability will do well against such set up.

See how Getafe frustrated Vini in their last home game and Vini is a beast dribbler. Vinnie will be even more dangerous and will score more goals if he joins a PL side.

Check out Isak's goal return in Laliga and compare it to his PL returns. PL players want to play on the front foot. Laliga teams just wanna frustrate. It what makes the league boring.

Kilishihunter:
Igor Thiago ke

He should go to another PL team but not Barça abeg. How will we replace lewandowski with Igor Thiago. We are better off with raphinha or olmo false 9 next season gan

Chief, my point is very clear nah. Nobody is saying you should replace Lewy with Igor.

I was saying that most EPL strikers are better than Ferran. In fact I doubled up by saying that all 20 EPL teams have a better striker than Ferran then Andrew or you mentioned Igor Thiago. Ferran won't bench Muriqi or Budimir as starting striker for Mallorca or Osasuna respectively.

I'm saying and I quote. Igor Thiago is a better striker/player than Ferran. Watching both, I don't think it's close sef. Ferran is a mid player.

jpmoriarti:
Yeah we're going round and round a circle, ain't we?

For the record, Argentina national team plays with Leandro Paredes, Rodrigo de Paul, Alexis Mac Allister, Guido Fernandez as their defensive midfielders. Your Enzo Fernandez is a CM at best. Never left alone with the midfield defensive duties

Chief Parades was a bench player in the world cup. From match day 2 till final, Enzo started and won the world cup as a DM. He was the single pivot and played the full 120mins. Something DeeJung can only dream.

jpmoriarti:
Do you think Olmo or Pedri can be coached to play the DM? Should a good coach who knew their onion even try to do that?

And your comparison with Vitinha doesn't make any sense. Saying because Vitinha could do it, then so could Frenkie de Jong is kinda pointless.

These are two different players with different capabilities and different qualities. It's like saying that since 18 year old Yamal could become the best in the world, then every 18 year old player should become the best in the world as well. Very simplistic comparison that is hardly reasonably realistic.

I have a question for you, can your coach, successfully coach Enzo Fernandez to become the sole DM of your team?

Coaching isn't done in isolation bro. A good coach must watch his players in order to ascertain if he can do X, Y or Z job. You can't just pick Olmo and train him to play DM. Gavi was an attacking midfielder at la masia. Today when paired with Pedri he acts as the anchor.

When Pedri plays with DeeJung he does so much defensive work that I wonder what's the job of Dejong. Yes Pedri can play DM and have played there multiple times. Olmo is too weak. Even as a forward, he's is so weak and fragile. how can you now want him to play DM lol.

Dejong can play DM but he's just not willing because he can't be coached. He obviously can do it if he wants. Moussa Dembele was a forward before he became one of the most press resistant DM/CM I've ever seen.

Calanoglu was an attacking midfielder. He's now played two UCL finals as a DM/CM. Vintinha is currently one of the best DM in world football after just two seasons with Enrique

Enzo won the world cup as the starting Defensive midfielder and will play there for club if the coach wants him there.

patrickmuf:
Where is the space to operate in the EPL?

Go to the Manchester United thread from 3-4 years ago, and you'll find Manchester United fans complaining about the things Barcelona fans are experiencing now. Imagine if Rashford could beat his man how dangerous Barcelona could be.

I agree. The emboldened is spot on!!!

Compare to Laliga, space dey EPL small. This doesn't mean Laliga is better than EPL. EPL is the best league in world football.

There are more quality players in EPL meaning those players will love to express themselves a bit by attacking leaving some space. In Laliga, most teams play with a line of 5, 6 or a very rigid 4:5:1 system. Teams like Osasuna, Getafe, Mallorca are not even interested in coming out to play. Even this Bilbao used to be very gidigbo.

andrewbaba44:
I pity rashford

He is lucky Barca fans like him

If we go buy am e no suppose pass 7M euros

Rashford is not Laliga coded. I predicted his Laliga struggle even before he was officially signed. The stats are okay but he'll keep failing the eye test because he needs space to operate. He fits EPL, Bundesliga and UCL. He's your UCL wildcard.

Even for free I'll not want him in my team. He's Sancho with more speed and shot power. He's a waste of space because his salary will always be astronomical to what he'll offer on the pitch. Rashy can't dribble a cone. Lazy, uncoachable English players. Sancho 🤝 Rashford.

jpmoriarti:
You couldn't predict yesterday's match. And now you want to predict UCL final when we're yet to play in the R16.

You're hilarious 😂

Instead of blaming Frenkie de Jong, why not blame the club who couldn't fill the DM role after Busquets left?

Dejong wasn't bought to play DM alone. Everyone knows he needs a more defensive partner besides him. He has always needed a partner.

However, Barcelona unfortunately couldn't buy one after Busquets left and he had had to play that role all by himself. It's like asking Toni Kroos to play the DM role all by himself in every game.

You're saying it as though you're the one who suddenly discovered he couldn't play the role all by himself. Flick has acknowledged this time and again. And every Barca fan knows this. But Barcelona is financially limited right now.

Also thankfully, Marc Bernal has stepped up again after his ACL. He's the more defensive midfielder we have. Also Casado, who's been inconsistent.

Be that as it may, I won't sit here and blame Dejong as though it was his fault that the club was unable to replace Busquets when he left. He's doing the best he could to help in a role he's not entirely cut out for. It's like asking Pedri to perform the DM role in each game.

Yesterday's game was difficult for me to predict because DeeJung was unavailable to play. If he was available and played significant minutes, I would've staked my car engine on Barca dropping points. The amount of pressure Bilbao applied from the 80th minute, no way DeeJung is surviving such onslaught.

Meanwhile, the reason why DeeJung can't play the Busi role is because he can't be coached. Vintinha originally a CM is smaller than him and only started playing DM in Enrique's second season at PSG, adapted and doing a great job. DeeJung has been preped for the DM role since the days of Vaverde yet doing exactly what he's been doing in Ajax academy. Almost 9 years at Barca doing same thing lol.

jpmoriarti:
You're just arguing with both side of the mouth. This has turned into arguing for argument's sake.

At one piont, you claim we cannot win a big game if Dejong played and at another time, you claim that we cannot keep clean sheet with Dejong playing as DM.

Which is it? Because both are incorrect.

If you like twist my words till thy Kingdom come but my point is very clear with DeeJung and I've been very consistent...DeeJung is a liability defensively, Barca has lost every big game with him this season especially without Pedri, won all big games without him and looked better defensively.

The Koko be say, Barca isn't winning the UCL with him starting or playing significant minutes. Let's say it's the UCL final. If he starts, Barca will lose from first half. If he's taken off on time, barca can equalise and even get a result. If Barca is winning and he comes in and plays more than 10mins, in that period Barca will concede and lose the game.

jpmoriarti:
Bernal only played the first half. So what's your piont?

My problem with your analysis, is that it focuses solely on the individual but this is a team's sport.

It takes 11 players doing there work very well for the team to succeed. That's why it's massively unfair to pin the failings of the team to a single player, also the contrary is true.

For Hansi Flick way of playing, if a single player didn't press well when the team was out of possession, the whole tactics collapses.

He played half the game today. How many halves did he play in the previous games?

Okay he played one half because Flick is smart enough to share minutes and keep him fresh for Newcastle. Those who took over for DM duties were Casado and then Eric Garcia. Two players that are inferior to DeeJung but they saw the game through with a clean sheet.


When DeeJung comes back, result will be indifferent. Mid players drains team energy

jpmoriarti:
Onye amuma ugha 🙄🙄🙄

Lucky escape

Meanwhile, Barca have looked their best and have conceded just one goal(goal mouth scramble) without Dejong. An 18 year old who's supposed to be playing u-17 world cup or in the academy is screening the back 4 better than a seasoned professional.

Kilishihunter:
This kid that's linked with us from Tottenham vuskovic. How good is he chief?

Na highlights I dey use follow the guy but he moves like Varane. Very strong and mobile for his size. The only game I watched was the game Vs Bayern and the boy dominated all aerial and ground duels and even scored sef. He's also first choice penalty taker and scored again today.

Meanwhile, Why will Barca sign him though? He's 19, Curbasi is 18. Nah kids Una wants use defend? I think Barca should go for a more experienced player.

Also, if he doesn't stay at Tottenham, he'll cost too much. I see him joining Liverpool or Bayern.

I was deceived by him outpacing kane and covering Gnabry well. He's not fast at all having watched another game. He's as slow as Curbasi or even slower. Could be another snail.

patrickmuf:
Pedri is special, very special...

That Adama guy has been marking Yamal closely but for the goal, Yamal sat him down...

I understand why Kounde was starting so many games. He gave Yamal support against LBs like Adama.

Ferran left the pitch in the 62nd minutes. Barca scored in minutes 67. Some people don't understand that mid players can affect your game play. Those who have played December league or any competition will understand a thing or two about having mid players as teammates. They drain energy!!!

Sancet na wah oo. Put ball for net you dey pass am give J Garcia

ZombieDredd:
A certain clown was talking about how nigeria army can take on Israeli army

Who was that stupid to say that?

princeade86:
do u even go to school at all or u just want to defend what is defenceless. They boldly say what cnn generating as revenues, did u see where they put any allocation that they receiving? Stop sounding like seyi law pls.

You're trying to educate agbadorians? Lol

Unlimited22:
If you put Gusto's brain in a dog, it would croak or hiss.

Omo wicked lol

SpencerForbes:
Ferran torres is Barca’s Achilles heel🤦‍♂️

No ooo. He's better than Igor Thiago.

Ferran is extremely mid!!!

jpmoriarti:
Your team is currently being held by a 3rd division team and taking you to extra time while you're here obsessing over Barcelona.

For your information, Athletic Bilbao also played in the midweek

Check again

The level of intensity Barca showed Vs Tico was too much. I think players will be too tired to turn up today. I have a feeling Barca will drop points today.

Goal ball joor

cr7lomo:
We keep on promoting gutter people in this country thereby setting this country for doom

I dey tell you. Before you know it, them go say nah grace

What's N2.5m when she can cash out big time and become a celebrity/advocate for quality educational infrastructure in the state. She did the right thing!

Captain Tosino

erad:
You sound very unreasonable.
Go and research what guerilla warfare is first.
You lots just say a whole lot of balderdash in absolute ignorance.

Even your almighty USA couldn't defeat the Vietnamese who were using guerilla tactics. You sit in the safety of your house typing nonsense. If you know better, why not offer your services to the government? Or better still, start a private security outfit and serve as mercenaries to the government.

Excuses

Boko haram should go and spend 10years in Israel nah.

If not for USA and Israel, the world would've become Borno. Thank you Israel for destroying terrorist Iran and their brothers in Nigeria.

Death to all terrorists and their sympathisers