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What exactly is Otti doing at Abia

He pays 18k minimum wage in 2024, havent commissioned any project he started, yet struggle to do this

The kinda Leaders they have over there is

JessicaRabbit:
EmperorCaesar, DevilsEqual, CyrusVI (I'm quoting all three monikers because I don't know which of them you'll be logging on with next.

I'd still like to see you make an attempt at the question I posed in my last riposte (the one about the instincts of a moth). But meanwhile, your entire "Intelligent Design" narrative has made me recall important questions that have arisen in my past debates on this topic. Questions that, as far as I can tell, nobody has managed to provide a sufficient answer to. Now, you keep latching on to the notion of "design", using "complexity" to reinforce your standpoint. Ignoring the fact that your idea or concept of complexity could just be based on your own subjective assessment of what is considered complex, I need to understand what your definition of complex is, and what tools you use to measure complexity. More importantly, I want to know how you can recognize design, and how you can tell a designed object from a non-designed object. Basically for you to understand what is classified as a living thing, you have to understand what is classified as a non-living thing as well. The same logic applies. Can you show me an example of something that wasn't designed? I'm interested to read your answer. Also, are you certain that intelligent design and natural selection are truly dichotomous? Are you making the assertion that there are no alternative explanations for complexity that do not involve supernatural design?

Lol....The ban for this is over, so I'll be quoting you with this going forward. This one can handle u better than the rest



Lemme start this way. I bumped into a thread yesterday where they analyzed the Trump vs Harris debate and they made mention of a debating tactics called Gish Galloping. That shii best defines your method of argument and it even highlighted every single feeling i've complained about as regards debating with you. It means 'A Gish gallop is a rhetorical technique in which a person in a debate attempts to overwhelm their opponent by presenting an excessive number of arguments, often without regard for their accuracy or strength. This rapid-fire delivery makes it difficult for the opponent to address each point effectively, potentially leading to confusion or the appearance of being unprepared. Gish galloping can be a powerful tool for someone who is less knowledgeable about a subject, as it can create the illusion of being well-informed and knowledgeable. However, it's ultimately a dishonest and ineffective debating tactic.'. Thats you.
https://www.nairaland.com/8210550/trump-vs-kamala-debate-lessons#131959515


Now back to your questions.

Firstly, I am not saying that there are no alternative explanations for complexity. I acknowledge other theories but the problem is that the other theories have too many gaps, assumptions, inconsistencies and are so incoherent that its hard to even use them to prove complexities in any logical debate. Evolution and Natural Selection/Creationist arguments seem to be more sound than the rest and thats why most people Naturally lean towards them


Lets assume we go with Big Bang: The Big Bang theory explains the creation of the universe but falls short in explaining how life first evolved. Furthermore, some scientists have stated that the Big Bang theory is insufficient to explain how the universe came into being. Some even went so far as to say that "to explain the original creation of the universe, another theory describing even earlier times will be needed."

Also, when you consider most of the things written in Stephen Hawkings books like the A brief history of time or On the origin of the universe, you'd see man made more bogus claims than Bible Believers.

Plus(I know you'd cancel this but make i still talk)...When a nuclear bomb explodes, matter is converted uncontrollably into energy, leading to chaos, as was demonstrated in 1945 when these bombs completely destroyed Hiroshima and much of Nagasaki in Japan. But the universe is lovely and harmonious, far from chaotic! That theory wouldnt answer many questions about life on a molecular level sef.

ll) Another one is Panspermia: This one is easily discarded because it also didnt address the topic of how life first began, also, its proposition that life on Earth could not have originated spontaneously but that it had to have come from the outer space and then floated into Earth, only serves to relegate the issue of life's origin to a more distant and forbidding context. We all know that life in the harsh atmosphere of outer space would face several hostile. So, is it possible that life originated on its own somewhere in the cosmos, made it to Earth under extremely difficult circumstances, and eventually evolved into life as we know it? Of course not. Who would lean towards this

Theories of life emergence by philosophers(Artists and the Ancient Grecian guys) is total bull crap.

There might be a middle stance for one to consider outside Evolution or Creation, it vould even still be under Science but I assume that theory hasnt just been developed by anyone so far, so yea, we all are either for evolution or Creation. No other third stance.



2) Now, you keep latching on to the notion of "design", using "complexity" to reinforce your standpoint. Ignoring the fact that your idea or concept of complexity could just be based on your own subjective assessment of what is considered complex, I need to understand what your definition of complex is, and what tools you use to measure complexity.


This isnt from my standpoint and it has nothing to do with my subjective assessment and thats the reason why i dropped multiple Scientific reasech articles to prove to you that even they, in their conclusions agreed that these things are too Complex to be explained away by just fictionally throwing in Natura Selections

I didnt in any of my argument speak from my own perspectives and thats because i know i'm relevant in the grand scheme of things. That led me to bring in those screenshots and in every one of them, the Scientists agreed they were Complex.
If a researcher , after all his experiments documented that that Natural selection didnt apply, why why should i agree with you, a zealous Atheists with no known journal written from experimental researches, one who is only wishing that Science should remain perfect with zero failure. You can check those weblinks I dropped



2)On the Dichotomy Between Intelligent Design and Natural Selection:
I agree that natural selection and intelligent design aren't inherently antagonistic. Most Creationists that I know of and the few i read about, believe an intelligently planned framework governs the processes of natural selection. According to them and what I also believe , the origin of life and the emergence of large systems cannot be explained by natural selection, but it can explain small changes and adaptations within species(Variation, mutation or everything Microevolution). Although organisms may adapt to their circumstances through natural selection as seen in the wild, the fundamental complexity of life itself suggests a higher design


An example to this, is "Darwin Finches". I saw a Journal by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) in the United States and i followed through because it modeled what Darwin did from Day1 and it turned out to prove some Microevolution

Thing is, As one who understand Scientific concepts and all, its unreasonble and impossible to discard Natural Selection entirely, cause of Microevolution, only that its hard to rely on it as the answer to everything, especially when Researchers and Some notable Scientists who have explored our Universe themselves were forced at a point to agree that these things are highly organized
I agree these Natural selection may have done its part, but it still did it under someones guide and direction

In his book "The Grand Design" by Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow. In Chapter 1, "The Rules of the Game," on page 7 of the 2011 edition, Hawkings said something about Law of Universe and the Principle guiding them


in his book "The Nature of Space and Time" (1999), Stephen Hawking said again that:

“The idea that the universe is governed by a set of principles is not merely a concept but a fundamental aspect of reality. The organization we see in the universe arises from these deep-seated principles.

Einstein said same about our highly organizational Universe when he said "The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism."

I dont even want to start with Kepler, Copernicus and Newton and thats because we all know they were Theists with limited Knowledge in an era where disbelief is considered heretic. I deliberately left out quotes Modern Biologists and Evolutionists cause you may not know most of them

My point is that , I'm trying to Appeal to Authority here to show you that not only the laymen with zero understanding of Science would biasedly see everything as Intelligent design, but that even the most highly revered and most notable Scientists agreed that our Universe and everything in it is so structured that everything screams a "Grand Design" and they did this even in their unbelief

So its not just me...They inclusive


And for the harderst question you asked" More importantly, I want to know how you can recognize design, and how you can tell a designed object from a non-designed object. Basically for you to understand what is classified as a living thing, you have to understand what is classified as a non-living thing as well.

I will reply later in the evening and reply it separately but lemme quickly chip this in

"Assume you were informed that an unabridged dictionary was created when ink from the explosion splattered onto the walls and ceiling of a printing company. Could you believe it? How much more incredible is it that a random big bang created the ordered universe and everything in it?"

Okay, lets move away from big bang, let explore Richard Dawkins Organic Soup formation theory

According to evolutionary theory, the two main processes leading to the emergence of life are
(1) the presence of the appropriate primitive atmosphere and
(2) the concentration of an organic soup of "simple" molecules required for life in the oceans.
)3)These give rise to nucleotides and proteins, which are complicated chemical substances that
(4) unite and acquire a membrane,
(5) generate a genetic code, and (6) begin replicating.
Whats the probabilities of all all these coming up randomly?

I would have like to break them down from you using already carried out experiments but u go talk say I dey poke holes for Science, I just wanna debunk the "Undesigned" myth or can i carry on?


Its fine if you dont want that. I still have more evidences of design. I will now add Our Universe and The Human Eyes to the list

1)Our Universe
2)Animal Eyes
3) Human Brain
4)DNA complexities in that order

And no, Im not throwing God into the mix, na calculations, pattern checking, weaving and arrangements we wan do. We want to see how architecturally and mathecatically precise this socalled Designer is

Na region be that?

Region wey be say half of the people don run comot already

I envy Chelsea, Walahi

As a Liverpool fan, it's really depressing for one

We haven't signed a player yet my club keeps selling everyone

I hope other teams don't dick us like a slut under Slot

Validated:
Wahalla, some people's hourly wage kè. Yet many of them dey NL boasting that APC is their salvation and be defending failures. Hunger neve sama una.

So na only those wey dey defend APC dey earn low?

The way you guys go about your logic is always scary


Bro, start taking Honey. U need it

Are these things even real?

When you see a married woman trying to bill, then just know that Its time to run away


Na which account him go write that one

EasternActivist:
You wish

Road is solid, that's a stonebase waiting for asphalt.

Have you defeated in Lagos gutters for today?

Chidi,You are talking offpoint

Why would i leave a news report from a credible source to believe a random opinion on NL. I'm smarter than that


He isnt even 18months into his tenure and his projects are already washing off.

Your Govs over there are at best an LGA chairman elsewhere

Now, i know why you troop in your thousands to other regions. Otti still pays 18k for civil servants and when it comes to deliver good Governance, this is all he could do. Just guys dont get to enjoy anything in your region

No be that OTTI be this?

With the kinda leaders being voted into power at that side, they should forget about Presidency for now and fix the region first

To dey chat her up go dey tire me

If i were the lady, I would always opt for a Whatsapp call whenever we really need to talk

I no dey write Novel, why i go wan turn WS on top ordinary chat

advanceDNA:
They are just funding the pocket of states governors and senators for more embezzlement opportunities

Imagine UK saying they won't fund their health and education subsidy again ....then give the money to members of parliaments and mayors TY be running smoke screen palliative

You are just robbing the masses and enriching few pple in government offices

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So you expect the FG to handle even internal cases themselves. Why then do we have state Govs?

Stop attacking for the sake of it. Its not great

Offpointng:
What club?

LIVERPOOL

It was Remi and now Soludo. These are exemplary leaders


Those that attacked Remi for same thing would be careful enough not to insult Soludo's wife for this
I have said it before, Hypocrisy isnt in the dictionary anymore, geographically, it resides in one region here in Nigeria.

Not even the Pharisees were anything close to this

God bless PBAT
God bless Soludo

My club never sign anybody

I hope we dont become everyones slut under Slot

I read somewhere that there is a link between the two but I'm yet to see a very logical and easily convincing articles on it

Drug abuse should top that list
For a country that prides themselves in "catching crusie" with everything, I actually dont think so

TlNUBU:
This has more meaning to it.

Moreover this woman is too ugly to be given a statue

What meaning please?

U must be very superstitious.

This is just a creative art and nothing more. Conspiracy theorists could use it to sell zobo to the gullible ones tho and it will sell

Do chinese even age?

From her face you could tell shes aging and not aging

Good one tho but i prefer that of Jeff, he made a giant art of his sidechick like a guardian angel on a yatch


Still a great piece from Mark

I will also make a statue for myself in a rural area where the Govt cant easily demolish it. That way, i could live for 200more years

Zaheertyler:
Buhari should drop his skin care routine
..

His wife is a ceritified beautician trained outside the country

Didnt u notice how she's always glittering like like the edges of a Diamond?

I dont know but how do u pass a vote of of confidence on a person thats barely 18months into a 4years tenure

We read about how the NSA and six others did some presentations yesterday on what and what they currently on. It means, theres a feasible project on ground

Politics aside, even football Managers and players are being urged to take their time,it also applies to club Presidents too, especially when there are still flashes of brilliance in the person

So to me, their decision is sane

Na highway and very sophisticated looting be this

I'm beginning to consider going into politics

It seems the money is very long


Waiting for this kinda documentary when this current one also leaves the office

Tallesty1:
How many Nigerians take home 30k monthly after deducting accommodation, transport fare, food, electricity bill, water, and other benefits a live-in maid enjoys from their salary?

Thanks for being realistic with this

Except for those registered agencies and maybe those kinda maids that are somehow related to the Family, most wouldnt pay that more than 30k, because they feel living with them is an added advantage for her as they would prolly be assisting her with one or two

In a real world tho, they usually pay them around 40k-55k and that was at December last year and of course, its usually on the Lagos Island

I guess the pay differs with the recruitment medium, for Live-in maid taking in via Outsourcing agents, its usually around 50k. I have seen quite a few of them, but again, that was last year

completey:
You nailed it! There is double taxation, over taxing, harassment and all sort.

Businesses are dying, people are suffering and we are here celebrating the act of wickedness.

No be taxes from businesses go still constitute the IGR?

If those businesses don die finish, who go pay the tax?

Lagos wey dey generate pass, how many business don die??

Amaka, which school u go sef

Angelfrost:
Ekiti generating more IGR than Lagos?!!

How na?!!

Make una dey lie small small.

Growth rate in percentage. Na growth rate no be overall IGR generated

Make una dey try check this thing na

Check the screenshot again and you will see Lagos is still number 1 by far

He should STFU

When he was still at the Senate, did he bother to tell us about this?

If he was still there at the Senate, would he have exposed this to us?



The information is still useless tho, cause na just rant people go rant for Social Media and na there e go end


I'm the last person to wail about corruption in Nigeria. Nothing go comot, those wey dey loot go dey loot dey go and u go just dey wail for your house

NASS annual budget is huge

They should swap that with our Defence budget and lets see if insecurity will not become things of the past