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IsiCaterpillar:
Just go to Quilox and other elite nightclubs and she is sure of making at least 30k/night. or go to a strip club like Ocean Blue, she will make at least 50k/night.

Just imagine a girl for that matter saying this trash. Sister ISI for you to know road like this, E don tay you for the business

omoteamac:
OK Bro.. good

Can you please tell how one can achieve a profit of about 50k profit per week in relation to the USE and MAINTENANCE of the truck?

Here in Edo state that's what most people do to make money. At start if well managed the first three months need no maintenance other than servicing. Give it out to someone that we be delivering 50k weekly that's all and make sure the person is a reputable human being.

omoteamac:
egbon wait

Can we talk more about this outside here or we simply do all discussion here?

I will talk to you later my battery is down and I prefer we discuss here for others to gain aswell.

omoteamac:
what kind of truck costs 2.3m?

He said 2.3 to 3m. With that amount you can get a 6 tyres truck which will be fetching you noting less than 50k a week.

Whether people give idea or not there must be a way out. The man with the Coca-Cola business has done what a good minded person would do to help his fellow in need of business idea. Meanwhile investing in other people's idea with half of that money can double it within a year. Now the question is, on whose idea, what idea, how and who to trust? @Op before going into banking something has always been in ur mind to do, now that the money is available fear has come to rub you. Conquer fear, make a bold step and be the one to give people idea as a banker.

Fynestboi, Pls close this thread the game is over.
As for u vickylala ur pic has said a lot about u

I have been laughing since yesterday, seeing campaign after election. @tosyne2much am some how sad seeing u keeping it up with vickylala239. Pls let's the matter die, give silence it's best position in this case.

@vickylala239 I never knew u can argue this far I would have consulted you for tutorial before coming for the debate .

But with what I have been reading from ur post, if that's what an example of a B.sc holder is, I rather remain a HND holder than fooling myself with B.sc

OlujobaSamuel:
This is my first time of actively reading through a debate on NL and am impressed.
joejonah and ehisdan, if not that it's a debate, I don't know how I would have loved to spank you, but you did well considering the tight angle you were placed on the subject.
Emaculate99 and OAUTemitayo, you guys are...... I don't know the best adjective to use.
Everyone did well, including my fellow audience.
Will post my opinion on the subject at hand very soon.
I rep Federal Polytechnic, Ilaro (2012)

Bros that's the matter, imagine us (joejona and I) going against what we know is right. It was very tight but we just have to do the little we can.

Fynestboi:
JUDGE Z


Great debate and rebuttals. I am impressed.
You all did well but Ehisdan, you need to work on your punctuations. Bad punctuations made your argument less interesting.[/size]

Bros I understand, I wanted to pull out of the debate due to my tight schedule but my colleague persisted. I just have to squeeze out one hour to the debate for the write up u see up there. And fynestboi didn't help matter at all. That topic is as confusing as anything and at the same irrelevant. Equating hnd with b.sc can not make any change or standardize our technology but government interest in technological advancement will do.

At least I can now rest.

tosyne2much:
I'm so loving the argument but make it logical with concrete evidence to back up your points


Good luck bro !

Yes sir @team OAU

tosyne2much:
I see no atom of sense in the emboldened... You don't have to be a professor before you reject gifts from students

Ok Sir

Why yet struggling with equating hnd with bsc when means of equation is already provided (PGD). University is a sector different from polytechnic in terms of management, flow of study and skills acquisition. The two should be taking differently and treated differently. btech for polytechnic and bsc for university and the government concentrate on making polytechnic more presentable, attractive and condusive for it's purpose of establishment rather than creating equality commotion which has led to the discrimination in terms of job hunting and salary scheme. let those from the University independently be and those from the polytechnic independently be in there various of expertise. polytechnic was technologically oriented but now reverse is the case, the injection of non tecnical courses into the system is the sole of the discrimination.

Fynestboi it's 20 past 10 we re waiting

emaculate99:
That is what you have failed to see since. Self development is what can bring technological development and innovative ideas. There are lot of HND holders out there who have developed themselves far better than a BSc holder. Giving them the same opportunity through equation of degree will afford the HND holders the opportunity to use their intellects to develop the country technologically and innovatively. Without that equation, Nigeria might shut out some best brains from her system because of certificate discrimination and thereby resulting to the opposite of technological advancement.

Hnd has its role to play while bsc has its role to play these two are different bodies should be treated as such rather than equating them.

emaculate99:
That is what you have failed to see since. Self development is what can bring technological development and innovative ideas. There are lot of HND holders out there who have developed themselves far better than a BSc holder. Giving them the same opportunity through equation of degree will afford the HND holders the opportunity to use their intellects to develop the country technologically and innovatively. Without that equation, Nigeria might shut out some best brains from her system because of certificate discrimination and thereby resulting to the opposite of technological advancement.

Scroll back to page 0 and read my conclusion

emaculate99:
But you failed to understand that not all the lecturers in universities are professors.

Moreover, it will be wrong to say that an individual who is intellectually strong than a BSc holder is not strong because he is not a BSc holder. Certificate is no determiner of what someone's intellectual make up.

this is where self development comes in and at such certificate a better certificate is a booster

emaculate99:
He is only making use of that analogy to prove that huge salary is not a yardstick for good reputation. By saying that Dasuki is "not having a good reputation" then you mean you agree to the fact that huge salary is not a yardstick for good reputation as Dasuki receives good salary and yet he has no good reputation.

as a professor youbhave self esteem which will make you not to downgrade your self to the level of collecting money from students for grades. This is what am talking about

emaculate99:
You should always know that if intellectual capacity is to be measured, many university BSc holders will be cats while many HND holders will be lions. Going by your own assertion, it will be wrong to give a food that belongs to an intellectual lion to an intellectual cat because of his/her certificate. Give honour to whom it is due as a result of his intellectual make up and not his certificate.

the lion is the bsc while the cat is the HND. The bsc has gotten all it entains to be a lion knowledgeably and intellectually being fed by professors and for HND to attain that level they have to go extra mile(PGD)

OAUTemitayo:
You probably don't know that collecting huge salaries is not a yardstick for measuring integrity.
If huge salaries are, political office holders like Dasuki won't be stealing billions meant for arms purchase

That is political. Every one knows what politics is all about bringing politics into this is out of point. Meanwhile you will agree with me that Dasuki you talking about is not having a good reputation

OAUTemitayo:
We are fighting for the same working condition not employment.
They are being cheated when it comes to salaries and promotions

give honor to whom honor is due and you don't give food meant for lion to a cat. That's what its all about.

xynerise:
In summary, you are saying corruption is on the higher side in polytechnics?

compared to university whose professor lecturers are over contented with their huge salary and aswell protect their personality

xynerise:
Ehisdan

"In polytechnic hnd degree can easily be gotten than getting a b.sc in the University. In the polytechnic a student can easily buy his/her way to top bland acquire the result but in the University the case is reverse,"..

What do you mean by HND being easy to obtain?

Are you saying only in Polytechnics that "Sorting" is practised?

I am not saying its only the polytechnic sorting is practiced that is why I used the word easily, meaning it can be practiced in university but on difficult level. a student can easily approach a lecturer who is bsc, msc and hnd holder for anything and these are the main lecturers in the polytechnic but very difficult to approach a professor or a doctor or PhD holder which are main lecturers in the University. I learn a case of a student who bought a gift for his professor and the professor returned the gift. He is well loaded good pay and need no external dirt to ternish his image.

OAUTemitayo:
We are talking of the degree programme. Internship is not a prerequisite for medical degree certificate whole IT is a prerequisite for HND certificate.
No more no less

take out internship and the degree is useless

am having network problem over here ooo

OAUTemitayo:
I did not say that. I am only affirming the fact that no degree in Nigeria requires seven years of study.
Almost everything we do is education. But internship is not part of a medical degree programme anywhere in Nigeria.
Thank you

as far as without internship u can proceed to become a medical doctor which the main reason of the study so also u can't proceed to hnd to without I. T and attain your goal

emaculate99:
if there are so many people out there who have no opportunity of being in the four walls of higher institution and are technological sound to the point of being able both HND and BSc holders, then that means HND and BSc holders are both inferior to these set of people. if they are both inferior to these set of people, then it will be wrong if we regard BSc as superior to HND holders

B. Sc is superior in the sense that garbage in garbage out what u are taught is what u know. if you are taught by quack you will be a quack. you can not compare some one that is taught by professor to some one who is taught by an hnd holders.

OAUTemitayo:
You are wrong sir. While IT is a prerequisite for getting your HND certificate, internship is not a prerequisite for getting your Medicine degree. Internship is just a prerequisite for accreditation by the Nigerian medical and dental council to enable you practice

which means you are now telling me its not relevant and shouldn't be counted as part of the education?

OAUTemitayo:
Your argument that university degree requires seven years is nothing but a figment of your own imagination and a complete fallacy.
There is no university Degree in Nigeria that requires seven years of study. Not even medicine which is six years. Other ranges from four to five years.
The fact that you don't know the duration of time for getting a degree shows clearly that you are out of touch with reality on the university system is

Having used the word "highest" and aswell counted 5 years for polytechnic which is normally 4 years be known to you that 1year Industrial Training and 1 year internship training for medicine students is part of education.
Thank you

Equating HND with B. SC: a panacea of technological advancement/innovative idea

The war of equating hnd with b. SC has been on the field for decades. It has been become and object of concern not only to the students but also the government. This cause the Senate in 2014 to pass a bill on equating higher national diploma (hnd) and University degree (b. Sc) though nothing was heard of it thereafter.

On this note I table my greetings to the owner of nairaland, the moderators, panel of judges, the coordinator, my fellow debaters and everyone viewing this tread as member or as a guest.

My name is Ehisdan, the second writer representing Auchi polytechnic Auchi on the notion "Equating hnd with b.sc: a panacea of technological advancement/innovative idea". I hereby write in opposition of the notion.

Before pinning down my points let me quickly bring to our understanding the meaning of some words or acronyms in the context.
Panacea: according to the Oxford dictionary means something that will solve all problems of a particular situation. On the other other hand "a remedy".
University: An institution at the highest level of education where you can study for a degree or do research.
Polytechnic: a college for higher education, especially in scientific and technical subjects.
Equating: making something the same.
B. Sc: a first university degree in a science subject.
HND: Higher National Diploma.

Equating hnd with b. Sc: a remedy for technological advancements/innovation is an aberration.
Technological advancements/innovative idea is not institution dependent and if so, equating hnd with b. Sc is never the solution. B. Sc is a degree gotten from the University which is the highest institution and hnd degree on the other hand is gotten from the polytechnic which is a higher institution. Though polytechnic is tag with technical and science study, university still have an upper hand over it. A person with b. Sc is assume to have acquired all the educational acquittances of furthering his education to a masters level while a hnd degree holder will have to undergo PGD program before having an access to acquirinug a masters degree. This means that there is a vacuum that has been filled by b. Sc degree which hnd degree need to fill before crossing the bridge to masters degree. The words Highest and Higher as used respectively has even justified the fact that equating hnd with b.sc is An error.

University is technically above polytechnic
I have never seen any jambite who ignored university and filled polytechnic Just because he/she want to be technically sound or advance technologically. Rather he/she will have to choose university which is the highest institution to to obtain or acquire his/her dream. Technologically universities are more equipped compared to polytechnics, the level of acquisition of knowledge is higher than that of the polytechnic, in the sense that the lecturers in the University are vast in knowledge and most of them has attain the highest level of education (professors).

Equating hnd with b.sc will not make any change to technology
HND is a degree as well B.SC they have no additional support to technology/innovative idea of a country. There are so many people out there who does not have the opportunity to be in the four walls of higher institution but are technologically sound and can even lecture a b.sc and hnd degree holder what can not be acquired in higher institution.

The level of B.sc degree and HND degree acquisition
These two degrees are of great difference. The highest years of study on normal ground in the polytechnic is five years, but in the University depending on the course of study is seven years. How then can you equate five to seven?. In polytechnic hnd degree can easily be gotten than getting a b.sc in the University. In the polytechnic a student can easily buy his/her way to top bland acquire the result but in the University the case is reverse, in the sense that most of the lecturers are professors, doctors and PhD who has there image to protect and will not want anything to bring them down. While in the polytechnic most of the lecturers are hnd holders, b.sc and PhD holder can easily collect money from students give them what they want.

Conclusively
The panacea to technological advancement/innovation is not equating hnd to b.sc rather self development and government policy on technology.

Fynestboi:
Because?

I'm always engaged on sundays

luxanne:
AUCHI POLYTECHNIC (Oppose) VS OBAFEMI AWOLOWO UNIVERSITY (Support)



6th March 2016
7pm


Equating HND with BSC: A panacea to Technological Advancement/ Innovative ideas.



OAUTemitayo
Emaculate99
Ehisdan
Joejonah

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Hi guys,

How about we bring your date forward, say 29th February, next week Sunday or March 5th?

Cc. Fynestboi

Let it never be Sunday Pls.