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MuttleyLaff:
Ah, anyone remember that famous: ''You need the spirit of God in you before you can fully understand and interpret His word'' cliche

Well, most believers, already have the spirit of God in or on them (i.e. already have ''the Filling Of The Holy Spirit'')
but the thing is, most havent grown out to fill into and fill up the spirit of God they have in or on
Most need to ''beef up or bulk up'' to fill into the Spirit of God issued out

https://s15.postimg.org/y7dmr8ejv/Oversize_Suits.jpg
The spirit of God is like the shoes and clothes seen put on in the above picture
For some of us, the shoes and clothes are limp, hanging or swinging loosely on us because we havent GROWN to fill and snug fit into the ''shoes'' and ''suit''

Due to this not bulking up and when the ''shoes'' and ''suit'' arent tight or close-fitting, there would be issues with mobility
Progressing or moving from one truth or revelation to another, will be impeded by the hanging and loosely fitting ''shoes'' and ''suit'' spirit of God

We shouldnt be a sieve, shouldnt be a porous basket, shouldnt be a punctured nylon bag to receiving, like water, the Holy Spirit

Mind you, the indwelling (i.e. presence) of the Spirit happens at our conversion,
and the infilling of the Spirit (i.e. the pouring) happens continually,
hence the need for growth, to beef or bulk up, in order to fill up, so to tightly fit into the poured out Holy Spirit

Create in me a clean heart, O God;
and renew a right spirit within me.
- Psalm 51:10

God bless you bro

vooks:
Tell me what Jesus was talking about in that verse.

MuttleyLaff has said it all.
What I can add is salvation is wrought by the Spirit of God. The WORK of joining a forgiven sinner to the body of Christ is wrought by the Spirit. In this regard, every believer has Holy Spirit in them

1 Corinthians 12:13 (KJV)
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Titus 3:5 (KJV)
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

On top of this work, the Spirit is said to be a deposit, a surety of our inheritance as you said in Ephesians 1:14.

But what persuades me that there is a need for continuous filling is the following;

[size=18pt]1. In Acts, the disciples were filled with the Spirit anew AFTER Pentecost.[/size]
Acts 4:31 (KJV)
And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

The same group of whom it is said
Acts 2:4 (KJV)
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

I consider it to be analogous to recharging. Just as we constantly pray to recharge, the filling is continuous. Note the second instance was not manifested by spiritual gifts, just boldness to be witnesses. This equips us for daily living

[size=18pt]2. Paul counsels or rather instructs us to be filled[/size]
Acts 5:18 (KJV)
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Remember he is writing to believers, who are already Spirit filled as you pointed, who have Holy Spirit as a seal/guarantee of their inheritance. If he is talking about the same thing, this is redundant as much as is telling someone who has just showered to take get wet.

This is what I believe every child of God should desire, a Spirit filled life. It is not historical but continuous. And this is what I believe Jesus is telling us that the Father is more than eager to give us.

I find it curious that Paul considers this experience or life a substitute for drunkenness. The reason for this I believe is because there are similarities between the two. In both, one loses/cedes control of their faculties. I desire and pray that all of us may be filled anew in Jesus name

Cc
eniigmar

Thanks. Bro

vooks:
You can see my dilemma?
I'm given a topic and subtopics but somebody else is given the SAME , yet am supposed to teach something different

I've written almost 3 pages now.What is remaining is how to. Be filled with d holy spirit.

vooks:
Great. How is it different from BOHS?

Well...with what I know,it is almost not different.

vooks:
It's splitting hairs allocating the topics to different people. May be whoever did this wanted all of you to participate but this is not the way to go IMHO.

Tell me,
What do you understand by filling of the Holy Ghost

It means to be empowered and controlled by the Holy spirit.

DabELLs:
Bible says that God is not man
‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)
Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible ‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts17:31)‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim.2:5)
The Bible says that God is not a son of man
‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)
The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27)‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28)‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10)‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27)
In the Hebrew scriptures, the son of man’ is also used many times speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17; 144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6-8; 3:1-3).Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called ‘the son of man’, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion.
Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called ‘son of man’ specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a ‘son of man’ according to the Bible.
The Bible says that Jesus denied he is God Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.’ (Luke 18:19)And he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ (Matthew 19:17)
Jesus did not teach people that he was God. If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is,
Jesus denied he was God.
The Bible says that God is greater than Jesus
‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28)‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29)
Jesus cannot be God if God is greater than him.
The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.
Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him.
‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)‘In that day, you shall ask menothing. Whatsoever you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23)‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)

The reason why Jesus came to dis world as a man was 4 him to be able to die 4 our sins.If he came has a Spirit,do you thinl he would have died.

DabELLs:
God and Jesus: The diffrence is crystal clear
1- Jesus ascend to his God (John 20:17)
2- According to Christians Jesus died as recorded in Matthew 27:27-56 but the same Bible says that God is infinite Pslam 102:27
3- Jesus needed to Pray, Eat, Drink and Was Helped by a Woman, as stated in Luke 8:1-3 but God in Bible is self-sufficient psalm 50:12
4- God remain the same in nature (Hebrews 1:12)
5- Jesus is the same human today, yesterday and forever (Hebrew 13:
6- Jesus could not save anyone as he was even not able to save himself (Hebrews 5:1-
7- Jesus said he was sent to the lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 15:24)
8- God can not be born and perhaps form his own creation
9- Jesus never said people to worship me (Matthew 20:28)
10- Jesus did not taught Trinity
11- God is the essence of the worship. He is the object of worship. Had Jesus been God, he would have told people to worship him. Truly, he did the exact opposite as in Matthew 15:9
12- Jesus never called his followers Christians, Paul did.
13- Jesus as a servant of God (Matthew 12:18)

Actually,Jesus and God are equal
1.Jesus is a part of the Trinity.
2.All real names of God have being given to Jesus Christ.
3.God the father called the Son "GOD".Hebrews1:8
4.Jesus did not reject our worshipping Him as God.John20:28
5.Jesus is one with God.John10:30

vooks:
They appear to overlap and for this, I'm unable to help

Why nah.

vooks:
These are the subtopics but someone else is tackling baptism of the Holy Spirit?

Yeah exactly.

vooks:
Just these three topics, and you are....you are handling #3?

I mean those are d points I hv to briefly explain under d topic.

vooks:
I find the subject highly ambiguous or as you said highly related.
May be eniigmar would do well to list all the topics to be discussed so we don't stray into another man's domain

Its all about
1.What it means to be filled with the Holy Spirit.
2.Examples of people that were filled. With the Holy Spirit.
3.How to be filled with the Holy Spirit.

analice107:
My brother, there's no way am I going to accept being put up together with these great names. Ha, Otio, I hide my head. My Ogas at top plss. Help our brother. I am just but a woman.

[quote author=analice107 post=43778107]Please ma.No knowledge is a waste

vooks:
Not sure how we can respond to that.
The only one in a position to answer this would be yourself, because only you know the details of your presentation/programme

The man just asked me to speak on Filling Of The Holy Spirit.

Actually that BOHS was chosen by someone else. So it means I will hv to present after BOHS.Right??

Actually that BOHS was chosen by someone else. So it means I will hv to present after BOHS.

vooks:
Ten minutes?
That is a bit on the lower side if you ask me.
Any message usually requires key definition of terms and in your case, you will need to define baptism of the Holy Spirit(BOHS). A subtopic here would be what it is NOT. Next is the value or purpose of BOHS. After this is candidacy for BOHS. Next is how to receive BOHS, and may be finally hindrances to BOHS

In point form
1. What is BOHS? What BOHS is NOT
2. What is the purpose of BOHS?
3. Who can receive BOHS? Who can't ?
4. How to receive BOHS
5. Hindrances to BOHS

Five points, each takes a maximum 2 minutes. Whatever you do on these points,my ou need to pray and rehearse privately to see how long it takes to deliver them. This ensures you don't dwell on any point for longer than necessary at the expense of the rest. Many believers imagine that Holy Spirit will be your time manager. That is being naive. Rehearsing as you pray helps you to summarize your points.

When in such time constraints, you may not have time to read scriptures, but you will need to quote them. So what you do is , all the relevant scriptures you wish to share with your audience must be memorized at least 80%. This saves you time you'd spend dashing to your bible, reading out aloud and continuing with your point.

If you notice, I haven't shared any scriptures yet, I'm just preparing you with the basics of a sermon delivery especially a quick one.

Something else. Make very clear notes and save them somewhere. You may wish to share with your audience the notes afterwards so they may go through what you skipped or you quickly went over.

Where do prayers come in?
I have seen God give me concentrated/condensed statements that communicate so much in the fewest words. Only God does this without diluting His word

:O I neva knew it would be this wide

vooks:
Hello eniigmar,
The subject can be lengthy. Were you given the maximum time you should take on it?

He said maximum of 10minutes because its 3 of us that are going to present (on diferent topics) that day.

Please Brethren I need your help on something improtant.I have been asked to speak on the topic 'THE FILLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT' this coming Sunday in the Baptismal class and our teacher told us that we can ask for help from people around us (especially elder ones).I'll be so glad if y'all help me out on this.Thanks.

Cc Analice107,Vooks,Oyeludef,CharlyG1,Superior1,Tjayjosh,e.t.c

Eheheheheheh

dkronicle:
Only no.7 is Okay

Seconded

dkronicle:
Only no.7 is Okay

Seconded

Ammonia and Vaseline

analice107:
Happy new March sweetheart. March forward from that position. May the Lord engrace you for exploit this new month.

Amen oooooo.Same To You

[quote author=oyeludef post=43374209]wish you same bro. Happy new month to everyone here including the ghostmoders and guests [/quote
LOL @ ghostmoders

Happy new month to everybody. May God bless you all.

Happy new month to everybody. May God bless you all.

Those Nollywood actors and actresses een,they never sieze to amaze me

people go run away forget fone

chairman board of trusTEA

Geez.....did she actually wear dat outside her father's compound

Hehehehehe...Omo those Kenyans are

analice107:
Amen. And may the Lord honour you.

Amen ooo