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Obaranje:There's a world body called the United Nations.... Are you familiar with it? Or is it only the propaganda from Israel and the US you consume as news about the whole conflict? |
Obaranje:Lol. Suit yourself. Whatever rocks you boat. It's your choice what you choose to believe. I asked you a simple question on your other mention, but you couldn't even come up with a coherent answer. It's obvious who is "whyning themselves" |
Obaranje:Lol. Okay. |
lauzun:Lolz. First and foremost, lets not use slurs, okay? I didn't use any slurs on your father, so you can jolly well make your own point without making slurs. Don't be that guy who has no regards for his father. Now we are talking about contemporary history, and you are talking about biblical history, your knowledge of which is obviously flawed. Okay. I'll humor you. Who are the Palestinians? The original Palestinians? The original occupiers of what is today Palestine and the land of Israel? The Philistines. So in talking about the Biblical time of David, u are talking about Canaan and the land to it's east, towards the red sea. So who were the original occupiers of this land? The Philistines. So your logic falls short. Now let me make my point. You mention the Palestinians today as Arabs. But who are Arabs and who are Jews? Both descendants of Ishmael and Isaac respectively. And who are these two descendants of? Abraham. So we all, including you and me, the modern day Israelis who are either originally Palestinian or resettled from all over the the world (after the second world war) and the Palestinians most of whom who can trace their heritage in Palestine all the way back, sometimes, 10 generations are descendants of Abraham. Hence I make the case that: 1. Once we separate the politically formed state of Israel which is a mere political contraption of a handful of individuals, from what it means to be a Jew, a Christian or a muslim living in the geographical space called Israel or Gaza or the west bank, there is no need for all the needless killing and genocide that has been going on since the state of Israel was formed in 1948. 2. Since we are all descendants of Abraham, the ancestor of both Christianity and Islam and Judaism and by inference the first Jew, we are all Jews wether we know it or not (yes, including your Arabs). So why should one Jew, feeling superior to another pick up arms to try to exterminate another Jew? The answer? Zionism. Which in essence is a form of racism, or colonialism - The belief that one Jew or one race is superior to every other. That is the crux of the matter today. Please get that right. |
Obaranje:Lol. I not high on anything bro. It's understandable tho that you are high on all the propaganda they have been feeding you all these years. I ask you a simple question. Supposing someone came to you home and forcibly removed you, your wife and your children, would you take it quietly and just pack and leave? Now let us assume that the person doesn't drive you away from your home. He occupies you living room and master bedroom and keeps you in the basement. He decides when you eat, how much you eat, when you take a bath and how much water you are allowed to use in a day, he decides wether you have access to a phone or not and decides what you must view on that phone, what do you then do? Ball in your court. Am waiting |
lauzun:That Hamas is hiding among women and children is what Israel and the west want you to believe, And you are swallowing it hook, line and sinker. Now how many 'terrorists' has Israel killed since they started this war? If their methods are as effective as they claim, how come the war has dragged on this long? If Israel were sincere, it does not need to wipe out the whole Gaza population with the biggest war budget and the most powerful weapons in the world on its side, just to get a 'handful' of 'terrorists'. Israel simply wants to cleanse Gaza of all Palestinians, and that is what it is doing. It is people who are fooled by it's propaganda that are actually wallowing in hypocrisy. If you knew how many women and children were killed and have been killed in all these years by Israel's illegal occupation of Gaza, by the deliberate starvation and stagnation of Gaza's population? Why Gaza is called the world's largest open-air prison, you would never say what you said in your post. If you knew how Israel frustrates every genuine effort at a two-state solution, including killing its own prime minister, Yitzhak Rabin, who actively showed support for a two-state solution that would have guaranteed wars like the October 7th war never occured, including ensuring - till this day - that the 1993 Oslo accord signed to ensure peace between both sides never materialized, you would never post as you did. Do you even know how or why Hamas was formed, or who even makes up Hamas? You should try to find out. The events happening in Gaza today long predate the events of October 7th. For example, for years the Fulani have been forcibly removing Indigent farmers from their land and communities in the middle belt, renaming and resettling those swathes of land. Now if the children or grandchildren of those indigenous people mobilize and take the war to those fulanis let's say on an October 7th day, whenever, and Fulani women and children are killed, you as a historian are to narrate the events which occured are you going to start from that October the 7th? Am just asking, please. |
NaijaMutant:Do you know how many women and children were killed and have been killed in all the years that Israel has been illegally occupying Gaza? Do you even know how or why Hamas was formed, or who even makes up Hamas? You should try to find out. The events happening in Gaza today long predate the events of October 7th. For example, for years the Fulani have been forcibly removing Indigent farmers from their land and communities in the middle belt, renaming and resettling those swathes of land. Now if the children or grandchildren of those indigenous people mobilize and take the war to those fulanis let's say on an October 7th day, whenever, and Fulani women and children are killed, you as a historian are to narrate the events which occured are you going to start from that October the 7th? Am just asking, please. Now, In your spare time, I would recommend you take a look at the following. It will help your judgement of what is happening in Palestine. I recommend Shambrook's book, Policy of Deceit - Britain and Palestine, 1914-1939. (https://oneworld-publications.com/work/policy-of-deceit/) I will also recommend Noam Chomsky's book, Gaza in Crisis - Reflections on Israel's war against the Palestinians In chapter 2, page 38, paragraph 1, Prof. Chomsky writes ... "However, the (US) state Department continued to refer to the 1948 ethnic cleansing of Palestine as the root cause of the conflict. Under it's guidance, the Palestinian right of return was the backbone of a new UN peace initiative attempted throughout 1949" Again, in In chapter 3, page 60, paragraph 2 of Gaza in crisis he writes, and I quote: "... On the other hand, 1948 also marked the worst chapter in Jewish history. In that year, Jews did in Palestine what Jews had not done anywhere else in the previous two thousand years. Even if one puts aside the historical debate about why what happened in 1948 in fact transpired, no one seems to question the enormity of the tragedy that befell the indigenous population of Palestine as a result of the emergence and the success of the Zionist movement. Jews expelled, massacred, destroyed and raped in that year, and generally behaved Iike all the other colonialist movements operating in the middle east and Africa since the beginning of the nineteenth century" Just in case you aren't familiar with who Noam Chomsky is, please look check this out https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky For clarity (and I think that is where most people, including most commentators here get it wrong) we need to separate between what it means to be Jewish, and what it means to be Israeli. There are Palestinian Jews, Christians and Muslims, just as there are Jews, Christians and Muslims in the state of Israel. Then finally, you have to understand what it means to be Zionist. Hopefully then, everything will begin to make sense. Thanks for your time |
oluseyiforjesus:Do you know how many women and children were killed and have been killed in all the years that Israel has been occupying Gaza? Do you even know how or why Hamas was formed, or who even makes up Hamas? You should try to find out. The events happening in Gaza today long predate the events of October 7th. For example, for years the Fulani have been forcibly removing Indigent farmers from their land and communities in the middle belt, renaming and resettling those swathes of land. Now if the children or grandchildren of those indigenous people mobilize and take the war to those fulanis let's say on an October 7th day, whenever, and Fulani women and children are killed, you as a historian are to narrate the events which occured are you going to start from that October the 7th? Am just asking, please. |
Eleph:God Bless you. |
lauzun:Do you know how many women and children were killed and have been killed in all the years that Israel has been occupying Gaza? Do you even know how or why Hamas was formed, or who even makes up Hamas? You should try to find out. The events happening in Gaza today long predate the events of October 7th. For example, for years the Fulani have been forcibly removing Indigent farmers from their land and communities in the middle belt, renaming and resettling those swathes of land. Now if the children or grandchildren of those indigenous people mobilize and take the war to those fulanis let's say on an October 7th day, whenever, and Fulani women and children are killed, you as a historian are to narrate the events which occured are you going to start from that October the 7th? Am just asking, please. |
ClearFlair:Surely, everyone has a right to defend themselves against undue aggression. But what about when the the victim fights back against the original aggressor, does that make the original aggressor the victim? I think you should get your facts right. I usually refrain from commenting on this israeli-palestinian issue because of how contentious it is, but many times, one comes across comments like yours that expose a lot of ignorance about the Genesis of this issue. With all due respect to you, this whole issue didn't start with the event of the 7th of October. Rather, the said events were the response to things that had been piling up for at least 75 years since the creation of the modern state of Israel. You should take the time out to do some research into the history of the middle east, specifically from 1917, about the history of Palestine and what would later become Israel. You will be better informed for it. |
EnglandAmaka:Your ignorance about this issue is shocking. Surely, everyone has a right to defend themselves against undue aggression. But what about when the the victim fights back against the original aggressor, does that make the original aggressor the victim? I think you should get your facts right. I usually refrain from commenting on this israeli-palestinian issue because of how contentious it is, but many times, one comes across comments like yours that expose a lot of ignorance about the Genesis of this issue. With all due respect to you, this whole issue didn't start with the event of the 7th of October. Rather, the said events were the response to things that had been piling up for at least 75 years since the creation of the modern state of Israel. You should take the time out to do some research into the history of the middle east, specifically from 1917, about the history of Palestine and what would later become Israel. You will be better informed for it. |
So when they appropriate all the money in the country to themselves for doing basically nothing, it's not sabotage. But when the people who actually carry the economy of this country demand thier due entitlement then it becomes sabotage. Animals be acting like we are in an animal farm and they are the only living things, everyone else is a piece of furniture. Okay na. |
Not news. We the true patriots, the true lovers of this country have always known the truth about APC and Gbola Yekini. Bogus party full of criminals and quacks and questionable characters. Everything about the party is fake, with their fake membership numbers and their fake election victory. fakery everywhere. It's those other ones, like the jobless one and fake bird griller and other one parading fake freestuff that want us to believe otherwise. Nigerians know the truth. |
Lolz. |
The effrontery. As if they are the only ones who are living things and everyone else is a non-living thing. Self-serving Political leaders. |
When you push someone to the wall, and that person happens to carry a gun... Oti lo. |
Freestar: nnamdi640: |
mamaafrik:Great. You are aware of that war in June of 1967, though I think you mean the 6-day war, because you also ask why Arab nations have been against the Jewish state since it's birth. The answer to that question, I think can be found in the way in which the state of Israel was born. That's why I have referred to the history that predates the war in '67. For that you have to go all the way back to 1917. There really isn't the space and time to go into all the details here, but I can recommend a few materials. Which I am sure will be of help, if you will take the time. I recommend Peter Shambrook's book, Policy of Deceit - Britain and Palestine, 1914-1939. (https://oneworld-publications.com/work/policy-of-deceit/) I will also recommend Noam Chomsky's book, Gaza in Crisis - Reflections on Israel's war against the Palestinians In chapter 2, page 38, paragraph 1, Prof. Chomsky writes ... "However, the (US) state Department continued to refer to the 1948 ethnic cleansing of Palestine as the root cause of the conflict. Under it's guidance, the Palestinian right of return was the backbone of a new UN peace initiative attempted throughout 1949" Again, in In chapter 3, page 60, paragraph 2 of Gaza in crisis he writes, and I quote: "... On the other hand, 1948 also marked the worst chapter in Jewish history. In that year, Jews did in Palestine what Jews had not done anywhere else in the previous two thousand years. Even if one puts aside the historical debate about why what happened in 1948 in fact transpired, no one seems to question the enormity of the tragedy that befell the indigenous population of Palestine as a result of the emergence and the success of the Zionist movement. Jews expelled, massacred, destroyed and raped in that year, and generally behaved Iike all the other colonialist movements operating in the middle east and Africa since the beginning of the nineteenth century" Just in case you aren't familiar with who Noam Chomsky is, please look check this out https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky For clarity (and I think that is where most people, including most commentators here get it wrong) we need to separate between what it means to be Jewish, and what it means to be Israeli. There are Palestinian Jews, Christians and Muslims, just as there are Jews, Christians and Muslims in the state of Israel. Then finally, you have to understand what it means to be Zionist. Hopefully then, everything will begin to make sense. Thanks for your time |
mamaafrik:Do you know how many women and children were killed and have been killed in all the years that Israel has been occupying Gaza? Do you even know how or why Hamas was formed, or who even makes up Hamas? You should try to find out. The events happening in Gaza today long predate the events of October 7th. For example, for years the Fulani have been forcibly removing Indigent farmers from their land and communities in the middle belt, renaming and resettling those swathes of land. Now if the children or grandchildren of those indigenous people mobilize and take the war to those fulanis let's say on an October 7th day, whenever, and Fulani women and children are killed, you as a historian are to narrate the events which occured are you going to start from that October the 7th? Am just asking, please. |
nnamdi640: Well if you don't know the basis of what's happening today in Gaza, and, you won't even try to know, how can we even have a civil conversation about it? I think not Just beware that you know what you are supporting. |
Ochyes:But then, neither is Russia. (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38005282) So why does the US ( and it's allies) feel that it is okay to direct the ICC to issue a warrant against Putin for occupying Crimea and for NATO's war in the Ukraine - and expect this warrant to be executed, mind you - but then turn around to sanction the same ICC for issuing a warrant against netanyahu for doing the same in Gaza? Why do the rules change now? |
EdiskyHarry:Surely, everyone has a right to defend themselves against undue aggression. But what about when the the victim fights back against the original aggressor, does that make the original aggressor the victim? I think you should get your facts right. I usually refrain from commenting on this israeli-palestinian issue because of how contentious it is, but many times, one comes across comments like yours that expose a lot of ignorance about the Genesis of this issue. With all due respect to you, this whole issue didn't start with the event of the 7th of October. Rather, the said events were the response to things that had been piling up for at least 75 years since the creation of the modern state of Israel. You should take the time out to do some research into the history of the middle east, specifically from 1917, about the history of Palestine and what would later become Israel. You will be better informed for it. |
nnamdi640:You people should get your facts right. I usually refrain from commenting on this israeli-palestinian issue because of how contentious it is, but many times, one comes across comments like yours that expose a lot of ignorance about the Genesis of this issue. With all due respect to you, this whole issue didn't start with the event of the 7th of October. Rather, the said events were the response to things that had been piling up for at least 75 years since the creation of the modern state of Israel. You should take the time out to do some research into the history of the middle east, specifically from 1917, about the history of Palestine and what would later become Israel. You will be better informed for it. |
JoeEeL:You people should get your facts right. I usually refrain from commenting on this israeli-palestinian issue because of how contentious it is, but many times, one comes across comments like yours that expose a lot of ignorance about the Genesis of this issue. With all due respect to you, this whole issue didn't start with the event of the 7th of October. Rather, the said events were the response to things that had been piling up for at least 75 years since the creation of the modern state of Israel. You should take the time out to do some research into the history of the middle east, specifically from 1917, about the history of Palestine and what would later become Israel. You will be better informed for it. |
JoeEeL:You people should get your facts right. I usually refrain from commenting on this israeli-palestinian issue because of how contentious it is, but many times, one comes across comments like yours that expose a lot of ignorance about the Genesis of this issue. With all due respect to you, this whole issue didn't start with the event of the 7th of October. Rather, the said events were the response to things that had been piling up for at least 75 years since the creation of the modern state of Israel. You should take the time out to do some research into the history of the middle east, specifically from 1917, about the history of Palestine and what would later become Israel. You will be better informed for it. |
Anguldi:You people should get your facts right. I usually refrain from commenting on this israeli-palestinian issue because of how contentious it is, but many times, one comes across comments like yours that expose a lot of ignorance about the Genesis of this issue. With all due respect to you, this whole issue didn't start with the event of the 7th of October. Rather, the said events were the response to things that had been piling up for at least 75 years since the creation of the modern state of Israel. You should take the time out to do some research into the history of the middle east, specifically from 1917, about the history of Palestine and what would later become Israel. You will be better informed for it. |
Northernblood8:You people should get your facts right. I usually refrain from commenting on this israeli-palestinian issue because of how contentious it is, but many times, one comes across comments like yours that expose a lot of ignorance about the Genesis of this issue. With all due respect to you, this whole issue didn't start with the event of the 7th of October. Rather, the said events were the response to things that had been piling up for at least 75 years since the creation of the modern state of Israel. You should take the time out to do some research into the history of the middle east, specifically from 1917, about the history of Palestine and what would later become Israel. You will be better informed for it. |
Validated:You people should get your facts right. I usually refrain from commenting on this israeli-palestinian issue because of how contentious it is, but many times, one comes across comments like yours that expose a lot of ignorance about the Genesis of this issue. With all due respect to you, this whole issue didn't start with the event of the 7th of October. Rather, the said events were the response to things that had been piling up for at least 75 years since the creation of the modern state of Israel. You should take the time out to do some research into the history of the middle east, specifically from 1917, about the history of Palestine and what would later become Israel. You will be better informed for it. |
phemmie06:You people should get your facts right. I usually refrain from commenting on this israeli-palestinian issue because of how contentious it is, but many times, one comes across comments like yours that expose a lot of ignorance about the Genesis of this issue. With all due respect to you, this whole issue didn't start with the event of the 7th of October. Rather, the said events were the response to things that had been piling up for at least 75 years since the creation of the modern state of Israel. You should take the time out to do some research into the history of the middle east, specifically from 1917, about the history of Palestine and what would later become Israel. You will be better informed for it. |
allthingsgood:Trust me, bro, that a good number is that way does not mean everyone is the same. We still hear from time to time about people who come across other people's property - misplaced - but still return it. In the sixties, seventies and even part of the eighties it was never like this. It is the successive bad governments beginning notably with the government of Ibrahim babangida and his pact with the IMF, the world bank and the others that started this madness. People have been steadily made more desperate, evil has been glorified, and the results are what you see today. I am even sure that if the crop of leaders we have today were the ones that we had in the sixties, we would never even had gotten independence from the colonialists. This last statement is not hard to believe when you remember the efforts, only recently of a person, a self-acclaimed president of a country to deliberately erode the hard-earned victory of heroes past by changing the national anthem. It's unbelievable. |
Well if you don't know the basis of what's happening today in Gaza, and, you won't even try to know, how can we even have a civil conversation about it? I think not 

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