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Why these arquments.

Is there is convert now either to catholic or protestants?

Did we convert anybody to catholic or protestant. Pls indicate

[quote author=friday@man]I hope the same MARY changed GOD'S LAW.

THE LAW AND THE SABBATH By Allen Walker

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Ignatius was a rather eccentric bishop of Antioch [NT Christians did not have bishops and Cardinals] around A.D. 110. Condemned to die for his faith, he was shipped to Rome to be eaten by animals. On the way he wrote seven letters that have become famous. In his letter to the Magnesians he spoke, according to a typical translator of "living......for the Lord's day." The translator assumed that Ignatius wanted Christians to focus their life-style on Christ's joyous resurrection.
However, the Greek word for "day" does not occur in what appears to be the earliest Greek text for this passage. The Greek adjective for "Lord's" is present, implying a noun which it modifies. But there is no noun. At some unknown time prior to the eleventh century, a Greek editor supplied a noun, but the noun he chose was not the word for "day"; rather it was the word for "life". Thus this unknown Greek editor made the passage read "living...for the Lord's life," meaning perhaps, that a Christian's life-style should harmonize with Christ's life-style which differs with what most modern churches teach today.---source: Ignatius, To the Magnesians,9;Loeb Classical library, Apostolic Fathers, 1:205, Compare the trans. in AFN 1:62, observing that the right hand column represents a spurious interpolated edition which originated more then 200 years after Ignatius's death. 2.] Fritz Guy, "The Lord's Day in Magnesians, Andrews edu, 1964;1-17 and Richard B. Lewis, Ignatius and the Lord's Day, 1968 Seminar studies,6 1968, 46-59.



Be Ready to Give an Answer…
The Sabbath


By

Carol Humphreys, Th.D.

Introduction

This is not about what a church teaches, or about indoctrination. This is about what the BIBLE says. I care that a church teaches the Bible, but this has nothing at all to do with my church, only Biblical and historical truth.
I have been met with a tremendous amount of statements from people over the years claiming that the 7th day Sabbath is not any longer a day that needs to be kept. Sometimes their statements nearly stumped me and I had to do some research before I had the answer. I felt that offering a compilation of all these statements with accurate Biblical and historical responses would be handy for people to reference, which is why I have taken the time to write it. I hope it will be helpful for you!

Carol Humphreys

Statements and Responses
Regarding the 7th Day Sabbath

Statement = S Response = R,

S = The Sabbath was done away.

R = Nowhere does the Bible state that the Sabbath was done away with. This would have been made crystal clear if a Commandment was done away with, but there is not one text that states anything like that. We are even told in Isaiah 66:21-23 that in heaven and in the new earth we will worship God on the Sabbath. Why would He make a day holy, command that it be a part of what designates sin, do away with it (with no clear text at all), only to reinstate its importance in Heaven and on the new earth? That doesn’t make any sense at all, especially with a God who doesn’t change. People made the change, but nowhere does God condone that change.

S = It doesn’t matter what day you keep, as long as you keep one in seven.

R = If God had not specified a day, then I’d say that is correct.
However, He was very specific – He said it is the 7th day and He also blessed and hallowed it at the end of Creation so we would remember Who our Creator is! The 7th day is the only day in the Bible that was blessed and hallowed. With God being specific, we cannot say this isn’t important to Him.
We also have many texts that tell us that the Ten Commandments are important to God! 1 John 2:3-4 tells us: “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” 1 John 3:4 says: “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.” 1 John 5:2 says: “By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.” Revelation 14:12 tells us: “Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”

S = The Sabbath was changed because Jesus rose on Sunday.

R = It is true that Jesus was resurrected sometime between sundown Sabbath and before dawn Sunday. (When the women went to the sepulcher at or before dawn, He was already gone. - Sunrise services are from paganism). Jesus asked us to remember His death and resurrection by taking communion and by baptism. Had He wished for anything else, He would have asked for it before He died. This excuse came about when the people questioned the leaders of the early Roman Church (early 300’s A.D.) when they were shocked that this church was bringing in Sunday services along with the Sabbath services to make things easier for the heather to be converted.
Another point is that although Jesus rose early on the day we call Sunday, Paul had ample opportunities when speaking about the resurrection – even in 1 Cor 15:4 says that Jesus was raised “on the third day”. At no time does Paul make an issue of it being the first day of the week. Had Paul wished to convey any importance of Sunday as being holy due to the resurrection, it seems he would have made it clear here.

S = Galatians 3:25 tells us that since faith has come, we’re no longer under the supervision of the law.

R = Notice that this verse says “supervision” (KJV says “schoolmaster”). Jesus clearly told us that He was putting His laws into our hearts – we no longer have priests and others watching us to see if we sin. It’s between us and our High Priest, Jesus, who is in heaven. This does not mean a change in the Sabbath or any other of the Ten Commandments.

S = 1 Corinthians 16:2 clearly tells us that the Sabbath was changed. It says: “Upon the first day of the week, let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.” The people were instructed here to attend church on the first day, not the 7th!

R = This text has nothing at all to do with a change in the Sabbath. First of all, God has told us He does not change! Ps 89:34 says: “My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.” Malachi 3:6 says: “For I am the Lord, I change not…” and Hebrews 13:8 tells us that “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.” God tells us in so many places that the Sabbath is very important – if the God whom the Bible tells us does not change or alter what He says – was going to change a Commandment, it would have been very, VERY clear in the Bible, not a vague text.
Regarding this particular text, the Greek actually makes it clear that Paul wanted people to put aside money at home simply so that they wouldn’t have to scramble to gather things when Paul came. History tells us the people in Jerusalem were having a rough time, besides the fact that Paul could not carry a lot to barter with. This has nothing at all to do with any meeting, any religious service, any change in a Commandment of God. Again, God would not use a vague text if He had wished to make a change in something as important as the Commandments!
Another consideration of this is that Paul uses the Greek "kata mian sabbatou." This means "every first of the Sabbath/week." The word sabbatou for "week," is derived from "Sabbath." Since this was not the normal way to express the first day of the week, it would require that Sabbath would have to be known to the people in order to understand this. So, any new Christians were being instructed about the 7th day Sabbath, not any indication of anything resembling sacredness of Sunday.[/quote]Bros nobody is arguing with you. Sabath is saturday. I ve a question for you.

Did early xtians observe sabath?

[quote author=gree-die]lol... pagan madness? and you know this because?.. der u go, interpreting the bible according to your level of ignorance...

The Gospel of St. John relates two significant accounts which relate to Mary — the wedding feast of Cana and the Crucifixion. Of the first account we read:
“There was a marriage in Cana of Galilee, and the Mother of Jesus was there. And Jesus also was invited, and His disciples, to the marriage. And the wine failing, the Mother of Jesus said to Him, ‘They have no wine.’ And Jesus said to her, ‘Woman, what is it to Me and to thee? My hour is not yet come.’ His Mother said to the waiters, ‘Whatsoever He shall say to you, do ye’” (John 2:1-5).
Jesus Christ then proceeded to work His first public miracle at His Mother’s request. Everything related in the Gospels is inspired by God, and there is a reason for it. Does not this narrative of the wedding feast manifest the intercessory power of Mary with Jesus Christ, her Divine Son?
In the second account, also take from the Gospel of St. John, we read:
“There stood by the Cross of Jesus His Mother... When Jesus therefore had seen His Mother and the disciple standing whom He loved, He saith to His Mother: ‘Woman, behold thy son...’” (John 19:25-27).
Just as Eve cooperated with Adam in the Fall of mankind, the Blessed Virgin Mary cooperated with Jesus Christ in our redemption. She “stood by the Cross of Jesus.” What anguish, what sorrow did the Mother of Jesus experience at the foot of the Cross as she witnessed the sufferings and death of her Divine Son!
In both accounts, Jesus addressed Mary by the term woman. In Hebrew the word used by Jesus was a term which would be addressed to a queen or a woman of high rank. It was a term of great respect.
But why did Jesus Christ address His Mother by the term woman at these two significant moments in His life — at His first public miracle, and at His Crucifixion on the Cross?
Our Divine Lord wanted to clearly indicate that His Mother was the Woman spoken of in the Book of Genesis:
“I will put enmities between thee (Satan) and the Woman, between thy seed and her seed, and she shall crush thy head.”

catholics do not, as Protestants falsely believe, worship the Blessed Virgin Mary. We honor her who was so intimately connected with Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. Yes, there is only one Mediator with the Father — Jesus Christ. Only the God-Man Jesus Christ could have redeemed mankind. Nevertheless, we pray to Mary that she may intercede for us with her Divine Son. How often we request the assistance of prayers from our fellow men — how much more powerful are the prayers and intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary! In the Old Testament, we read how Moses prayed with arms outstretched and interceded with God to procure the victory of the Israelites over their enemies in a crucial battle. As long as he prayed, they were victorious. When he ceased his prayers, the Israelites began to lose. Because of this, it was necessary for two men to hold up Moses’ arms in prayer until the battle was won. Also, we read in the Old Testament how Josue prayed to God to have the day prolonged in order to win another crucial battle. If Moses and Josue could have such intercession before God, how much more powerful are the prayers of the Blessed Virgin Mary![/quote]

omotititi: Hello friends,i bought d cages for 64k per one .though heavily subsidized cos the guy is a friend.I paid 1k for each POL at 16wks old.

Thanks man. We will follow ur progress

jamp: omotititi weldone. am proud of you. have much did you buy the cage that can contain 720 layers?

Sirgee1: Hello Omotititi. Thanks for your contribution.

please how much did the POLs cost u?

Omotitit we are waiting for you oooooo

its ok guys. please this argument should not derail this thread. am enjoying this thread

is this forum all about money nowwwwwwww? seminar

cant we have the seminar on this forum

omotititi: Hello Poultry farmers, I hv missed the forum for a while now...I am back.I am happy to inform us all that I hv taken delivery of my cages -six in number that can house 720 layers.I shall send the pix as soon as am able to do so. I am patiently expecting my 500 POLs at 16weeks in August from Animal Care.Let's keep the fire burning as we are all meant for the top.

I am happy the forum has been most active and it shall remain so even when we have all become billionaires and exporters of poultry products.(Amen).

omotititi weldone. am proud of you. have much did you buy the cage that can contain 720 layers?

robonski15: Good morning house.. I am back and better.. Thanks for all your support.. Ab1x will be unbanned later today..

I am seriously working on something for the benefit of us all to avoid this continual banning of people..

Thanks

CAN U TELL US WHAT REALLY HAPPENED

why are they banning people? is it wong to help people online

jamp: Robonski, do you know of kingdom aquarium in Lagos? They say their juvenile is Hetroclara. They supplied someone in Benin last week.is it true the fish is usually big.pls throw more light on this type of fish. Thanks

When will u organise a seminar in benin?

Abx1 what do you have to say aboout the question i asked?

Robonski, do you know of kingdom aquarium in Lagos? They say their juvenile is Hetroclara. They supplied someone in Benin last week.is it true the fish is usually big.pls throw more light on this type of fish. Thanks

When will u organise a seminar in benin?

robonski15: I will suggest you buy 2 of 2000 liters because of sorting... Its better so u can sort them into size, BIG and SMALL..

Thanks. I was actually looking at the cost of the tank as 4000l is cheaper

Thanks

ayoope: Please am interested in turkey farming. Is it true that there is no market for turkey as there is for layers/broilers? Thanks

Its not true. There is market for turkey. Do your market research and u will see for urself

House I want to buy plastic tank for my fishes.
Pls advice me on which one to buy.
2 of 2000 liters or 4000 liters

robonski15: Hello, there are different feeds with different prices...There is no 1.8 mm its only 1.5mm.. Coppens 1.5mm is #3200 for 5kg and 2mm sells for #5200..
Zeigler 2mm is #4500, while vital 2mm is #3900..
Note prices varies.

Concerning the average cost of feeding, I usually peg it down to #150 for each fish to maturity... 500 multiply by 150 = #75,000.. So u will need at least75k to take them all the way to maturity..No cut corners..prices can rise over time.. God bless

ROBONSKI please dont give people false hope. how can one raise a fish from juvenile to full with N75.
please clearify this so people dont get confused.

akonucheinfo: Please am interested in poultry, but will like to have a pratical knowledge of it before I make further attempt. Am within Lagos,and will appreciate a Mentor to guide me.I don't mind if I work for the mentor in his or her farm for free.what I need is the practical and raw understanding of poultry Layers in particular.tnx

Pls also, how many birds will a normal one bedroom side pen contain for layers ?

Read the thread well, the spacing has been discussed extensively

New English word:

Ideyised

I will ideyised you.
Why did you ideyise that goal.

Ideye is anu mpam

Am impressed but we need good strikers

Helloo house , am counting down to the arrival of my chicks.

Please how many drinkers and feeders do I need to buy for 1000 DOC

Mod scam. Close dis thread

Good one raboski

no be chika ike

[quote author=Marco-P ]I think you will needd to invest in a small generator (I pass my neighbour) cause your chicks will need 24 hours light for the first 7 days or so.
So you will need to run your gen over-night for a few days. (I used inverter when I was brooding my birds).
After then you can begin to use lanterns to privide light, ensure you hang them with wire from the roof to avoid fire disaster.
You will need about 6 lanterns.
You will need 4 charcoal stoves, but you must provide wire mesh to protect the stoves to avoid your chicks roasting themselves in the fire.
Ensure close monitoring and regulation of warmth, its important.
Good luck.

NB: how much did you spend on your pen construction, and any cost-saving startegies. I'm hoping to expand soon. You can share with us here or inbox me: austeen247@gmail.com.
Cheers![/quote]one of the cost saving strategy is to use old zinc or aluminum. i bought aluminum zinc from a person who wants to renovate his 3 bedroom bungalow. i always look out for such instead of buying new ones

What's d guarantee on ur point of lay?
Ur farm is not popular and how are u doing it.can there be a special aggrement in place?

I don't want mou to leave b4 d expiration of his tenure. His hot temper might affect him. I pray he cool down n take the games as they come.

I wish him well


Baba mourinho

jamp: Hello people. My DOC will soon be coming home. Pls I want to know how many stove and laterns I need for their warmth as we don't ve electricity in the farm.they are 1,000 chicks

Somebody answer me

Afam you need to tender apology to igbos now cos u went to far.

Sometimes we make mistakes

Decryptor: Afam na eme ka o wee meeda ndi asusu oga ya nyere ya oru morderetor. Ataru m ya uta o! Nihi na ebe mmadu si eri ka ona akpachie!

Nwanne eji ya! Hapu afam ka ona ekwuyeri. Anyi ga-agbapuro ya maka na obu moderator.

Ka m juo unu, segun ona enye ndi moderator ego?

Okija juju: he is one of the few intellectuals we still have amongst us.

Na intellectual we go eat. Why do we igbos hate ourselves. How many times hv u seen the north criticising themselves on this platform.

Somebody called ur father a goat n u praise him all in d name of education

Afam4eva: Enugu is always different. If there's one thing i've noticed, it is that MASSOB seems to be dominant anywhere you have a lot of pseudo-illiterate traders.

Afam u are d disgrace to igbo race.

If u like ban me