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bentenny:
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Guy can't you even understand you own comments?

Did you accuse me of advocating for an increase in match bonuses? Yes or no?

Did you start majoring in minors by asking me if what was owed was training allowance inside the match bonuses? Yes or no?

So what are you yapping about?
Are these not ways of prevaricating?

One thing is sure....you don't know what match bonuses means and I have explained that to you in the simplest of forms!

As much as you strangely keep holding on to the narrative that they should not be paid due to their underwhelming performances,I have opined that what they are collecting is match bonuses and not performance bonuses'!

FYI,match bonuses and performance bonuses are totally different!
Match bonuses are given to players who appear for a match....performance bonuses are given when they win or qualify for a tournament!
And these bonuses are negotiated not static!


You can argue about them not receiving performance bonuses' which is justified but match bonus is for appearing for the game and it's obligatory!

Saying they don't deserve to be paid anything due to their underwhelming performances is your opinion which is valid and that's why they are not given performance bonuses but match bonuses which they have been owed since 2019 must and should be paid!

do you understand wordings at all, I said they should not be paid as punishment did I say they are not entitled to it even if na there birth right I said they should not be paid cos they don't deserve it with there performance. This was what I said and have been saying is said if they didn't get the appearance allowance and they get camp allowance training allowance and other that id enough for them. I said you claim what they get so far from there so called entitlement is not enough and I said they should live with that too no be say then give us what we need. So what are you saying and twisting words up and down. You are the one who just want to attack my comment like an attack dog. Now that you understand my point you are not claim I said something different earlier which I quote for you again then you started the whole argument all over again. Like

bentenny:
This was my counter reply of which you accused me for advocating for the increase of their match bonuses!



My point remains that they should not be owed any match bonuses but you insisted that due to their underperformance,they should be owed!

You even went as far as accusing me of advocating for their increment in match bonuses!




At the end,you are not the NFF boss and you cannot make such decisions!
Wait until you are there so that you can make such decisions!


Finally, let me say this for the upteenth time,match bonuses are given to players for appearing for an international match.
That's why it's called appearance bonus!
It's not a performance bonus which attracts a separate or extra bonus depending on the result!

Stop trying to confuse 'match bonuses' with 'performance bonuses'!

so why accuse me that I am changing the discussion, also those guys are getting paid just not entirely all what they are suppose to get and I said they should manage whatever they are getting right now since we too are managing there performance

bentenny:
What exactly have you been saying?

Kaymax2222:
see eh we understand all this but those players should never claim they are underappreciated, because in Nigeria they are still the one getting the best of everything even with the way they are been owed. If they can't do it with the little they believe they are getting (which is not little) let them get out and let others come in jare here is my first reply to you abi what are you saying. You have argument?

here is my first reply to you

bentenny:
Don't change the argument because you were insisting that I was advocating an increase of their match bonuses!

You also didn't understand that match bonuses was just appearance bonuses and not feeding or training allowance!

Now you trying to prevaricate after losing all your arguments!

If you don't like the fact that they collect undeserved match bonuses,that's a topic or argument for another day!
If you are so pained about it, throw yourself in the ring and contest!

Simple!

see you! that was what I have been saying since or are you mixing me up with someone else??

bentenny:
I can also give other instances by sighting other nations!
Its nothing new!
Match bonuses are paid whether you like it nor not!


Thats your opinion which you are entitled to but next time argue with facts and not emotions!

the fact of the matter is obvious even if you chose to ignore it that those guys have done nothing to what those allowance they are expecting us to pay them they play with zero zeal. So let them get out and stop crying to the public for any allowance they have not done enough to deserve. They want all there allowance to be paid whether they perform or not has if they are doing us a favour for playing for us. They've not done anything extra ordinary to warrants us calling for there entitlement to be paid. In our cliam you not to do extra to get what you believe you deserve because we can't afford to be spending our little resources on mediocre. They may be able to afford that in Europe or anywhere else but we can't we just can't.QED

bentenny:
At the risk of sounding like a broken record,NFF are obligated just like every football association around the world to pay players match or appearance bonuses!
This is negotiated even before a ball is kicked in training and will still be paid no matter the outcome of the match!
What will not be paid is the extra bonus for winning!
For instance,there is an european nation that pays 5k euros for match bonuses and pays an extra 5-7k euros for winning the match!
All these information are online!
Go and read up on them and stop arguing blindly!

not arguing blindly and I said it right from the beginning of this argument European nations can pay whether there team perform or not but a country of over 230m people where competition is strong for the little resources we have those guys should not be getting paid for underperforming.

bentenny:
Its not in your place to ask whether or not they deserve it because match bonuses are negotiated and the NFF are obligated to pay no matter the outcome of the result!
Sweden lost their last 4 games and were kicked out from the WCQ but the players were still paid match bonuses!
What will not be paid are the extra bonuses that come with either winning or qualifying for a tournament!
Hope you understand or do you need me to coin it in your local dialect for better comprehension?


This flawed comment shows once again that you have zero idea about what you are arguing about!
There is nothing like training or camp allowance and if they existed,thats not what the players are demanding!
What is in contention is the match bonuses which is also called appearance bonus for showing up to play!
That is what the players are being owed since 2019!

who gives a shit about sweden, if those guys don't perform they should not be paid simple. I am even prolonging this matter self they should remove themselves from the national team pls let see better people who are ready to serve and play for the Country with passion. If they call them let them not answer

bentenny:
You are still not making any iota of sense and you are even doing so with confidence!
Lets even assume without conceding that they have been paid half based on your submissions,do you have any link to substantiate your argument?
Secondly,you claimed i demanded that they increased the match bonuses....can you show me where i said so?
Match bonuses are negotiated between the NFF and the players no matter the outcome of the match played,hence NFF are obligated to pay!
Finally,as much as i find this back and forth ridiculously funny,you are making absolutely no sense with all due respect!

some of this issue has been with nff since and all this player knows it yet they enlisted they answer when get called upon, why now go ahead and play poorly like kindergartens

bentenny:
You are still not making any iota of sense and you are even doing so with confidence!
Lets even assume without conceding that they have been paid half based on your submissions,do you have any link to substantiate your argument?
Secondly,you claimed i demanded that they increased the match bonuses....can you show me where i said so?
Match bonuses are negotiated between the NFF and the players no matter the outcome of the match played,hence NFF are obligated to pay!
Finally,as much as i find this back and forth ridiculously funny,you are making absolutely no sense with all due respect!

you are the one who lack basic comprehension if you can't understand my point. Those allowance are negotiated and agreed upon, yes but do they deserve it with what they are playing. I don't know much about there earnings and all but I know there is allowance there is training allowance, camp allowance and a whole lot more so if they are getting all that but not there negotiated allowance why should they get paid at all with what they are playing. The fact that they travel first class and lodge in an hotel and have a good meal is more than enough with what they are playing.

bentenny:

Guy with all due respect,you are making absolutely no sense with your recent comments!
its like asking someone who is owed salaries for years if its feeding or transport allowance inside his salary that is being owed!
That's how unintelligent your flawed comment sounds!
It also proves you have no idea what you are even arguing about or you might possibly be prolonging the discus out of a bruised ego!

However,my argument remains simple and unambiguous...If commitment is demanded from the super eagles players, then the NFF should pay them the match bonuses they were owed since 2019!
Its that simple!

There is no where in my previous comments where i solicited or argued for an increase in the match bonuses of the players!
If there was any,do well to provide the comments where i said so!

we are managing there performance so let them too manage the little they are getting tit for tat

bentenny:

Guy with all due respect,you are making absolutely no sense with your recent comments!
its like asking someone who is owed salaries for years if its feeding or transport allowance inside his salary that is being owed!
That's how unintelligent your flawed comment sounds!
It also proves you have no idea what you are even arguing about or you might possibly be prolonging the discus out of a bruised ego!

However,my argument remains simple and unambiguous...If commitment is demanded from the super eagles players, then the NFF should pay them the match bonuses they were owed since 2019!
Its that simple!

There is no where in my previous comments where i solicited or argued for an increase in the match bonuses of the players!
If there was any,do well to provide the comments where i said so!

yes it warrants been asked if it is transport allowance or feedings allowance that is been owed because the money we are talking about here is big and in actual sense of it you can't get paid in full again if you've been paid half already. So what exactly are you saying. I maintain this guys have been paid half which they don't deserve and if I am in the position I will not pay them that owed half with there performance. We have guys who will play for Nigeria with dedication with half of what they are getting. I will only advocate for them if they are actually performing but with that quality of team in a country with over 230m people. I beg to differ

bentenny:
Guy this is a hilarious but unnecessary question!
Know when you have been overwhelmed by a superior argument!

there is no superior argument here I am maintaining what I have been saying all along that because they are not getting only allowances but they are getting other stuff is not deserved. They should be refunding us with there epileptic performance

bentenny:
You are obviously mixing things up and further confusing yourself!
Being owed match bonuses is entirely different from seeking an extra in their allowance or match bonuses to what they are getting and i never said anything about them asking for more match bonuses!
its like a worker being owed salaries for more than 3 years.....he is only asking for the payment of the backlog and not an increase of his present salary!

is allowances the only thing they are getting don't they get other bonuses??

bentenny:
You are obviously confusing yourself!
Being owed can never equate not being paid enough!
Do you even understand or read what you are saying?

allowance is just some of what they are been paid which means it's part of there payments not all there payments abi what are you saying and it is part of the fact that what they are getting is a lot which is why after all what they are getting they still have allowance that is yet to be paid

bentenny:
How does being owed equate to not being paid enough?

is allowance only what they are getting for play for the country. Stop been intentionally naive. Allowance is just part of it

bentenny:
It's a two way street!
England made the likes of Harry Kane,Rice and other big players in their national team to become what they are today!
Made the likes of David Beckham,Steven Gerrard and other great players and yet after their playing days were over,their FA through PFA assists them with financial and medical support esp the ones that have advanced in their age!
Italy,Spain,Germany and a host of other European countries do the same!
So why should Nigeria be different?

this was where the discussions started from

bentenny:
where did i say they are not getting paid enough?

you said some of there allowance are being owed and I said the little they are getting they've not done enough to show they deserve to earn it

bentenny:
Different folks for different folks!
If you can do so without pay,thats your choice as its also a choice for wanting to be paid while carrying out your duties!
Two truths can coexist!
Just a parting query...are you currently working for free at your place of work?

they are getting paid your claim is they are not getting paid enough. Which I said with Nigerian presents reality they are getting the best amongst of us. Where I am working right now I am getting paid and if I believe I am not getting paid enough to do what I am suppose to do I will quit not start doing shabby job and still expect all my bonus and entitlement

bentenny:
So are you implying that the one who keeps working despite being owed or paid less than their valuation is more patriotic than the ones who demands that they be paid whats their entitlement?
Guy thats slavery!
Patriotism is not blind submission to exploitation!
Refusing to be exploited or shortchanged is not disloyalty!
That may be your reality but thats not patriotism!




You are doing more harm than good!
Thats the mentality of those at our football association and yet we want our players to get into tackles or commit themselves!
When an european player plays for his national team he knows that his country will never abandon him when he is medically or physically challenged while playing for the national team!


Lets stop this demeaning mentality!
Thats why we are where we are!

there is nothing demeaning about it, it's the law of nature. And they are not demanding there valuation in anyway. Your valuation can't be more than your environment or where you come from. Even if you have a valuation it's a function of your environment so base on that they are well valued and if they think they are not let them get out. Compare to our reality those guys are living large and not because they are good but because they got the opportunity and they are now misusing it

bentenny:
Nobody should ever be owed their entitlement or what they have worked for even if they are still trying to do what is expected of them!
That's not patriotism but slavery!

A soldier in America earns between $2000-3000() with medical insurance and other financial packages for comfort while an average nigerian soldier earns 100k naira!
Who do you think will be patriotic?

our reality is different they are in America we are here. And you saying what I said is slavery is funny cos it's our reality. Those guys don't even deserve what they are getting with the way they are playing let them get out I maintain. If I am in a position to make decisions about there issues I will owe them too they don't deserve it we are a country of over 230m people with a gdp of a country of few thousands population in Europe. You should know competition for good things in Nigeria can never be the same in those countries with few thousand population. If them been opportune to scale from the bottom of the food chain to close to the top of the food chain, and that's all they can offer abeg let them get ouuuut!!!

bentenny:
It's a two way street!
England made the likes of Harry Kane,Rice and other big players in their national team to become what they are today!
Made the likes of David Beckham,Steven Gerrard and other great players and yet after their playing days were over,their FA through PFA assists them with financial and medical support esp the ones that have advanced in their age!
Italy,Spain,Germany and a host of other European countries do the same!
So why should Nigeria be different?

see eh we understand all this but those players should never claim they are underappreciated, because in Nigeria they are still the one getting the best of everything even with the way they are been owed. If they can't do it with the little they believe they are getting (which is not little) let them get out and let others come in jare here is my first reply to you abi what are you saying. You have argument?

Your WhatsApp number pls?

Gentlelife50:
Unless so, but guys here say it's achievable.
Since thier own is electric they may well be able to meet the target as well.

those guys are bluffing jare

Gentlelife50:
What were they thinking before?
That car is expensive and the owners need to recover the money before they start deteriorating!
But if men here do go home with 40 to 50 after expenses they can equally meet up since they are not buying fuel.

they can't expect them to do that everyday maybe one day on and one day off

I didn't believe this when someone mentioned this here sometimes ago sha...... looks like its true

Jamie90:
VIO is billing me 20k right now because of brake light. Is this illegal?

no dey ever stop for those niggas. I mean don't. There low offense is 20k and they will now be asking for Lagos tax I'd too Omo there wahala too much. I don't stop for them again ooo. I will just do as If I want to park then zoom out not ever stoping for them again. If they woke wicked you they must sha find offense for you

XGhost:
So I asked him if he had people with him already? He said yes.
They are all going to VI... he said yes.
Ok, meet me at so so so (the lay by at berger where cars can stop without harassment) because no be me go stop by the the roadside.

The guy Sha came, Full suit and tie. I ask am say how e wan do am. He said I'll drop them first then head to his own destination.

We come move o, this dude hadn't discussed how much with his passengers o. E say VI 2k, Del no gree, 1.5 Dem say MBA, me I just de fire de go fo express. Las Las they forced him to do 1k.

He was going to fidelity place on kofo but 1 passenger was going to Akin Adesola, the other 2 adéọlá Odeku.

In my head I was just doing the math, ordinarily we'd have passed bonny camp, instead we had to pass Osborne to adéọlá Odeku then kofo. Osborne now had traffic again. No be the whole 3k done almost finish so? It was so amusing

someone did something like this with me too before but mine was from CMS to phase 1 though na indrive and na 8k I bill am, him no tell me about the other passenger na when him dey collect 1k from each of them I knew say na from bus stop dem take know each other and na along them drop oo we no take them to there destination

haykay2005:
TV
Thank you sir. Am already frustrated

don't be my man if it possible for you bring it to oyigbo I will help you supervise the whole repair process and when everything is done you will go pick it up, I can guarantee you the problem will be solved in oyigbo

TUBLEZ:
bolt/Uber only beat indrive. When thr is surge , to me without surge their prices dey really vex me, imagine I took a trip today from Allen to Obawole for 3600 net trip wey be say on indrive na 5K plus I go dey bid

that's what I am saying that if you don't pick rubbish prices oo indrive is better for me

TUBLEZ:
bolt/Uber only beat indrive. When thr is surge , to me without surge their prices dey really vex me, imagine I took a trip today from Allen to Obawole for 3600 net trip wey be say on indrive na 5K plus I go dey bid

and indrive too dey shake body oo.....the only problem I have with indrive is there rider behavior they can delay for Africa

Vela01:
E pass only this one o.

I've driven on the 3 Apps, depending on your person Sha and what you want.

The Sanity driving with Uber is worth commending, no unnecessary drama etc

but the freedom that comes with indrive is unquantifiable, you have extra stop I bill you and I choose my route Omo indrive abeg

Jegheter:
And also if u encounter unexpected traffic Uber is better. But I agree with you if u calculate very well In drive is d most profitable app and u have an edge. A proper layout of ur destination. As in u can actually choose how where u want to work easiest than the three apps.

But Uber sef dey try. I too love that app as someone here says they always maintained their standards and never dropped it out of pressure

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