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We need to change our mentality in this country.... this way of cutting corners to drive expensive cars , live in highbrow areas, 4k the finest girls, live the posh life and going around as gods so that everyone will call u chairman is really killing our society

DareyFortified:
I guess your research is not enough bro.

I showed you something from Bundesliga.com , u are showing fans votes from marca ( a Spanish media) ...so Marca that is in spain that did their fans poll is now bigger that the Bundesliga itself... SMH....people we see on nairaland

Na man utd and ole cause off these new talk of football identity

DareyFortified:
Who cares whether he had injury or not? He is going to be the first player to have injury ni? Should we now pity him because he had injury?

This same Lewandoski didn't even make champions league team of the season. Halland was better than him. So technically he and Messi flopped in champions. All he did was in his league! That's all.

Halland was the one who won the best player of the season not Lewandoski.

Are you kidding?? Who has a better stats in 2019 than Messi?? Who?

Guy get your facts right. No come here dey talk shit

I just don't understand the type of people we meet here....simply research is a problem

uniqueboi1:
My brother!
These guys go injure themselves las las.
Unto Messi being involved, they now use the word "give" instead of win.
E go shock them well.

Going by their judgement Messi should be on his 9th Ballon D'or award gunning for his 10th.


It would be a travesty if Messi doesn't win.

U still dont get it.... scoring goals should come with a deserving trophy, again scoring crucial goals matter...2016 Ronaldo scored lots of goals and aksi won the Euros and champions league, Messi only won league, in 2017 Ronaldo won the league and champions league, Messi only won copa de rey , 2019 Messi won the league and was all round top scorer, 2020 and 2021 Lewandowski won the league and was all round top scorer on both occasions... the argument here is why is copa America all of a sudden important... others that had been winning it never got nominated.. if Messi won the league with barca, he wud have had a shot... besides, Messi dint perform in any big game last season... this is pure logic , no one is hating on him, its just pure logic...

tsmat:
Simple question
How on an individual level was sneijer better than Messi that year. Goal or assist?

How was modric better individually than Ronaldo in 2018

DareyFortified:
I didn't mean you literally need to win all the 8games now, but for you to win EURO or Copa America you will need still to play 8games. So the numbers of country participating in a tournament should not be a criteria for discrediting it.

Both Messi and Lewandoski did poorly in Champions league, none of them won it or was name the best player.

In the league they both are almost on the same level, Lewandoski top Messi with some few goals, while Messi top Lewandoski with some few assist. Lewandoski and Messi were not the best players in their respective leagues.

International trophy certainly matters, And definitely makes the big difference. Especially when every country are participating in one tournament or the other.

If you want to give it to Lewandoski because he scored the highest goals, then Messi should have won ballon d'Or atleast 8 now for being the top scorer.

Lewandowski dint do poorly in the champions league... he got injured and missed the game against psg, that was why they were knocked out...now that shows how important he is ... do u know his last game in the champions league was his 18 straight champions league victory... meaning the only time bayern lost was when he dint play... that alone shows how important he us to bayern

Lewandoski won bundesliga player of the season.....messi dint win la liga player of the season ...Lewandowski won European golden boot...why dint tournament matter in 2019 .... messi won it despite flopping at copa 2019

ddippset:
[b]Out of all of Messi's 6 Ballon dors, 2012 was his most deserved Ballon dor.

*50 league goals for the season (guiness record, never been done)
*73 goals for the season (guiness record, never been done)
*91 goals for the seaon (guiness record, never been done)
*26 assist for the season (guiness record, never been done)
*8 hattricks in the season (never been done)
*Scored consecutively against all La Liga teams (record, never been done)
*You said never won something He did win the Spanish Kings cup. (The Copa Del Rey)

On an individual level Messi practically destroyed football in 2012.
He had personal achievements never seen in football till today.


In the history of Ballon dor awards 2012 was the most deserving of any awards in history.


And as for Ronaldo scoring 78 goals in 2013, what was special about the 78 Goals when someone else already had a record 91 goals?

50 league goals a season, no one has achieved that till today.
And 91 goals? Never never.

Then to Suarez, why are you like this? No particular trophy or achievement is considered better than others in awarding Ballon dor.

It's a collective of everything, every trophy, every goal number, rtc
It's a mix of the whole thing.

How could Suarez win 2011 because of Copa America alone when someone else won the;
Champions league
La Liga
Copa del Rey
Super cup
Pichichi
European golden shoe
Total goals per season.

With the number of goals Lewandosky scored, if he had only managed to win the Champions league in 2021 then he would have been placed over Messi as favourite.

The 3 major trophies this year were the Champions league, The Euros and Copa America.

Nobody who won the UCL scored an insane amount of goals.
Nobody who won the Euros scored an insane amount of goals.
But Messi won the Copa America and scored a lot of goals, so he's the favourite.



How could Suarez have won the 2011 Ballon dor?
What are you smoking bro?[/b]

Oh suarez dint deserve to win it ,but he won the copa and copa golden ball . Or than time it was inconsequential...but now it is an important trophy cos messi won it...

So for messi , copa dey rey is not enough...its like wanting to claim balon dor winning the FA cup... in 2019 he won it despite failing in the copa ... no champion league as well but they said he deserved it cos he won league and European golden boot, same thing Lewandowski achieved, so why should Lewandowski not win it.... I'm being logical here .... messi flopped in copa despite Argentina being favorites number 2 after Brazil in 2019... at least Lewandowski scored 3 of the 4 goals his country got in the Euros, besides Poland never had a chance ... so he should not win it cos he plays for Poland and Poland will never have a shot an at international title ... as long as messi deserved 2019 According to u guys, Lewandowski deserves 2021 cos he achieved the same thing messi achieved on 2019

Women talk and a team like kids , thats y I will always believe that a woman's brain stops developing during her teen years

ddippset:
Ballon dor is not GIVEN, it is VOTED.

Even though ballon dor is awarded strictly by voting, this should be the right way;;

2008 Ronaldo
2009 Messi
2010 Iniesta
2011 Messi
2012 Messi
2013 Ribery
2014 Neuer
2015 Messi
2016 Ronaldo
2017 Ronaldo
2018 Modric
2019 Van Dijk
2020 Lewandowsky
2021 Messi

Messi deserves 2012 cos he scored 91 goals despite winning nothing, but Ronaldo doesn't deserve 2013 for scoring 78 goals .... ok... u see the goal post shifting I talked about. 2012 , iniesta deserved it , he won the Euros , if u say messi deserves 2021, then suarez deserves 2011 for winning copa and copa golden ball as well

ddippset:
Don't be ridiculous..

You cannot be comparing Copa America (a 107 year old competition) to CAF champions league.

Euros and Copa America is at best comparable to EPL and La Liga NOT Moldovan league.

Also Copa liberdetories is played by home based South American players which we don't even know.

But Copa America is contested by the best players playing in the European leagues.

In fact the best players in the European teams play Copa America even more than Euros.

Maradona
Pele
Ronaldo
Romario
Messi
Neymar
Rivaldo
Juninho
Suarez
Cavani
Coutinho
Aguero
Batistuta
Carlos

In fact I dare say better Ballon dor materials have played Copa America than Euros.

Is that what you're comparing with Copa Liberdetories?

Your comparison is bulllshit.


Copa America is the oldest national team competition in the world, it is older than the World cup and older than the Euros.

It is 107 years old and a team plays 7 games to win it.

World Cup also is 7 Games to win.

Euros is 6 Games to win.


Copa America is and will always be an important competition more than worthy of producing a Ballon dor winner.

For all these years you people were insulting Messi for not winning it.

Now that he has won it, the competition has become a shiit competition?

The joke is on all of you.

This one na long story u de talk... so because its one of the oldest tournament, so what?? So FA cup should be the most important tournament since its the oldest football tournament in the world

Euros and copa is a bad example as EPL and la liga... la gods teams have the champions league records , between real madrid and barca, they have won it 18 times ... thats more than all EPL teams put together. La liga have won it most in the past 20 years ( 10 times) compared to EPL ( 5 times ) ... since champions league is the world cup of club football... the world cup itself, for the past 30 years , Brazil is the only team that have won it (2times)... and the last time was 19 yrs ago... they have only reached the final 2 times in the past 20yrs... so copa should be compared to the Portuguese league. If Euros is EPL, copa is Portuguese league not Spanish league. The difference between Europe and other continents in football, is milessssssssssssss apart.... like from earth to Mars

Look at the players u mentioned that played or play copa... if I mention European players past and present, u know that thus page no go do

Van Basten muller peter schmeicheal
Ronaldo klose Ballack
Gert muller Halaand Griezmann
Cruyff Rui costa De bruyne
Klinsmann Gerrard lukaku
Suker lampard Bernard silva
Mbappe kante Hazard
Lewandowski chiesa Bale
Shearer Christian vieri paulo Rossi
Van persie Bergkamp Nesta
Van nisterooy Rooney Matthaus
Brain Laudrup viera Bruno Fernandez
Puskas xavi Jorginho
Henry Beckham Ribery
Zidane villa Robben
Inzaghi Ramos platini
Maldini iniesta Torres
Owen oliver khan puyol
Larsson Giggs Raul
Figo Eusebio Ferdinard
Shevchenko Hagi Effenburg
Nedved Baggio Zola
Modric pirlo Fowler
Benzema van der ser Casillas
Kane Berkanbeur Buffon
Del Piero cannavaro Ibrahimovic
To mention a few


Copa America the best national team competition in the world and they can't win world cup thats dominated by Europe... ... Germany came to south America and won the cup , Spain went Africa and won the cup , France just won it in Russia and maybe Italy this time will win it in the middle east

The way this guy is going, he might even break messis 91 goals and Ronaldo's 17 champions league goals

ddippset:
Below both in what sense?

Of course football is in Europe. The glamour, the excitement, the anticipation, the advertisement and the money.

But Copa America is as much a continental tournament to a South American player as the Euros is to a European player.

The value that players from South America like Brazil, Argentina and Paraguay attach to their Copa America is the same value that European players attach to their Euros.

In fact Euros, Copa America and Africa Cup of Nations are 3 competitions of the same cadre as the major continental championships.

But of course we all know that the Euros is the richest and most glamourous.

So Messi values his Copa America as much as any European player like Bonucci values his Euros.

So you guys are actually being extremely dubious with your constant declaration that "Messi won ordinary and useless Copa America"

If Ronaldo or Lewy had won the Euros that would have been your first argument for them winning Ballon dor.
That would have been your first item on the list;

Just imagine the chaos that would have ensued if Ronaldo or Lewy had won the Euros trophy, won the player of the tournament and won the highest goal scorer.

It would have been madness from Ronaldo fans.

"He won the Euros" bla bla bla
"He won the Golden" boot" bla bla bla
"He won the Golden ball" bla bla bla

No player has ever done that bla bla bla


But in Messi's case, it is "he won ordinary Copa America"


But I understand why majority of those saying that Copa America is useless are Ronaldo fans.
I understand...

So we can say copa liberdetores, Asian champions league and caf champions league is on the same level with Uefa champions league. Or we can say the Scottish league, Moldovan league or the Nigerian Premier league are all on the same level with the English Premier league. The copa , the concacaf , the African Cup of nations, the Asian Cup are all about the same. After the Euros, the next most competitive is the African nations Cup. Copa presently has only 2 teams ( Brazil and Argentina) thats cause they are the only teams in South America that are consistent in producing stars . The other 3, Uruguay, Chile and Colombia are one offs and thats the reason they don't perform in the world cup , just like other continents don't perform in the world cup . This is the reason why winners of copa are never considered in the balon dor .

ddippset:
And who says Messi would have won?

The point is; Ronaldo should have 2 less. Ronaldo should have at most 3 Ballon dors.

3 max, maybe 2 sef.

And messi how many less??

Another simp bites the dust

How did these guys throw away 100m on grealish ... another overrated brit.. sterling is 100x better

ddippset:
Quite impressive and that's why he deserves to come second to Messi.

Everything he achieved was with that dominant Bayern team. Nothing outside Germany.
There were 3 major competitions in the year;

The Euros
The Copa America
The Champions league

He did nothing there.

He deserves a second place finish..

Copa is actually below both

ddippset:
2013 Ballon dor belonged to Ribbery. They robbed him and gave Ronaldo.

2014 Ballon dor belonged to Neuer. They robbed him and gave Ronaldo.

Messi came 2nd on both occasions, so even if they dint give Ronaldo, Messi wud have won it

DancingSkeleton:
your dementia didn’t allow you to remember 2013 when Ribery was robbed because of your favorite. Experienced foool

Ribery finished 3rd that year, even if Ronaldo dint win it, Messi wud have won it

She should be jailed for not letting him.know about her status

OJEEMAH:
chop knuckle

I've come to realise that its a waste of time....na y u no de too see me comment these days... if Ronaldo perform ,I go hail am... if Messi perform , na my choice to hail am or I no go comment... e no make sense to de insult messi , Ronaldo their achievements or their fans .... I will forever believe Ronaldo is the greatest of all time , just as my late uncle talk say okwaraji na the greatest of all time.... all man for im opinion or belief... sorry to everyone I ever insulted cos of messi / Ronaldo and I also forgive all those that have insulted me or will still insult me on top their mata

paulolee:
tot u swore on ur life never to mention me again?? Wetin happen??

U made sense this time , thats y ... no need insulting Ronaldo or messi... lets all agree to disagree... I can't change ur opinion about Ronaldo and messi just like y cant change mine.... its like trying to defend Christianity as the true religion and Jesus christ as the saviour to Buhari , Gumi or miyetti Allah or trying to convince father Mbaka that Islam is the true religion... just lets continue to support who we believe in and stop downplaying those we don't support

SyrusdeHansome:
What is this one even saying?

He appears in all Ronaldo's thread trying to down play him.... all his fellow trolls have given up , but he is relentless.

As I've always said, if u want Ronaldo to perform, pair him with another striker so that he can easily confuse the defence

E b like say nessi na PSG hazard

Its for man utd and not the EPL.... be careful b4 messi minions come for ur head

Fragility6:
Before you fool yourself do your research and incase you still dont know ronaldo has more career assists than messi. Has more champs lge assists than xavi n iniesta put together. Omo una no get say bros

E be like say u never know meesi minions ...them go talk say messi type of assists pass Ronaldo type of assists... them go tell u say messi assust hard and Ronaldo assists easy

Glycolite:
Jokes is on you !

YOU, midgetonians are the ones that don't consider penalty goals and tap in goals as goals, especially when CR7 is in the picture,what changed ?

By the way, the 740+ the midget have scored in his career about 101 are from the penalty spots.
770+ career goals CR7 have scored, about 136 are from the penalty spots.
Of course ,CR7 have more penalty goals,but the midget is not a saint either.
Having over 100 penalty goals don't make you a saint inthe penalty merchant argument.

When all this deluded midgetonians go about calling CR7 "penaldo",you will think CR7 have scored 300+ penalty goals from his career total of 770+,and they all pretend like the midget is not a penalty merchant !

When it comes to penalties, they dont remember that Ronaldo started playing 2 yrs b4 messi ... when it comes to goals , they remember that

paulolee:
he did same in Juve bt I dnt tink united wont keep getting bailed by his crucial goals n it's not a good plan for united especially during knockout games wen his goals may stop coming..
Juve were easily dumped by Porto last season bcoz he cudnt score both home n away....dts d problem of cr7 n messi dependency to a team, bad game for dm, means bad nite for dier club and dts my fear for PSG too during knockouts
these guys are old n past their peak n bad days in office now looks normal to dm in each match day....dey is need for Pogba, Fernandez, greenwood n even rashford to step up n improve its supporting cast or these cr7 goals would be made useless

U actually made sense for the 1st time this time, although I doubt if its from ur true mind .

Lol...whenever they have finished accomplishing the work the feds directed them to finish, they tell u he was killed by Rivals and not the soldiers so that we don't ask for the body to identify them... same thing with shekau and the rest of them ... I can bet that these men are lounging somewhere with their loot, government settlement and 77 virgins here on earth. They even have their men in government as compensation for a good job . The earlier the southern part of this country decides to open their eyes and ask for disintegration of this nation, the better for the southern part cos the plan is to use the southern leaders as tools to enslave the southerners

Abuja is no longer safe

Women...smh...what a gender