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InvestmentRe: Results On Comparing Fixed Deposit Interest Rates Between First Bank And Gtbank by labimide: 9:38pm On Dec 14, 2014
Caracta:
Besides, these rates depend on negotiations. They are not fixed. I look at how much you are bringing in and the duration.

Again, these rates are not fixed. We only have fixed limits or benchmarks. Get your facts right.
It doesn't seem like the OP is to blame. May be the customer service personnels should get down to doing their work properly. They should know to give the 'right facts,' and I'll say relevant, complete and concise information, to all customers and prospective customers.
LiteratureRe: Forever And For Always - Story By Repogirl by labimide: 11:24pm On Dec 01, 2014
We should measure our words while trying to broker peace, BTW. I have not said anything disrespectful to anyone on this thread, in fact, this is my first post. However, I felt lectured, talked down to, while reading most of this peacemaking posts. I am not going to quote anyone.

While I may find Repogirl's outburst uncalled for, I deem it understandable on several grounds. She's not being paid, she has every right to post when she's ready and she has been very gracious in all. Plus writing, I mean good writing, more so writing a story, is not very easy.

But which writer does not want a readership. Perhaps one who writes just to ease some burden of talent. The truth is, for most writers, their readers are their main motivation to write more. So, I think readers should be respected and appreciated. And Repogirl has done exceedingly well at this.

Like I said, she has been gracious in all, but, contrary to what we may think, we will be doing her a great disservice if we continue to talk down on the same readers she is working hard at courting.

What we should all do is, cheer her on as she continues to churn out masterpieces to our delight, and help other readers to be patient. We, however, should allow her pick her battle, and I can't emphasize this enough. It's ok to defend a friend behind their back, but doing so while they are present may come across as mere eye service. Besides, it doesn't reflect well on the friend we are defending.

This is an open forum and Repogirl can always see the comment of every reader when she logs in, we should trust her to react as she deems fit. As a reader, I may be able to take some nonsense from the author, because of the service I enjoy, but I don't have to from a fellow reader. And if things eventually fall apart, the author takes the most hit.

A hurt to a reader is a hurt to the author. Please let's take things easy. Life gets easier when appropriate persons are allowed to handle issues. And in all we do, the respect for an individual is very important, writer and readers alike.

Oya, make we kulu tempa.
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Christianity EtcRe: Evolution And The Seagull Dance. by labimide: 7:20pm On Dec 01, 2014
ooman:
I have found that you have problems with the definition of "species ".

There are about 11 different definitions, all not generally accepted definition of the term "species ", but each has its own strong point.

Next time you debate about what a species is, maybe you should first define how you understand the term.

check the definitions here

science.kennesaw.edu/~rmatson/Biol%203380/3380species.html

#No hard feelings. If you feel insulted, dont reply.
Why write it if you feel it can insult in anyway. I believe no one wins an argument. And it is sometimes wise to quit before it deteriorates. I have learnt somethings in this argument and I have acknowledged them where I deemed fit. Enjoy.
Christianity EtcRe: Evolution And The Seagull Dance. by labimide: 7:07pm On Dec 01, 2014
UyiIredia:
Not able to decide between bogus and genuine yet having an analytical mind. Just one more example of your confusion.
Not everyone is out to pull another down. Even in mental fencing. No disrespect was intended by my intial post, my apology if any was conceived.

You might want to go over it again, when your temper is down. Enjoy.
Christianity EtcRe: Evolution And The Seagull Dance. by labimide: 5:26am On Dec 01, 2014
davidylan:
I think i like to deal with empirical evidence rather than mere speculation... which really is the basis for the current ideas about speciation. There have been studies with fungi spanning more than 25 years and yet has produced zero evidence for speciation.

the idea that speciation must be true because we can prove that micro-evolution occurs is mere fantasy at best. Yes plasmodium sp. (and a myriad of bacterial organisms) have shown evidence for drug resistance... but all these are evidence for random mutations but not speciation. The same can be said for HIV... random mutations may change certain phenotypic characteristics but they still remain HIV. Its like saying differences in coat color all of a sudden makes the Agouti mouse a different organism from the C57BL/6 mice.

I think we already have a standard, scientific definition for the term "species", trying to change it up to force-fit our preconceived notions is not helpful in any regard.
Agouti mouse will not declare itself a new species. Scientist eventually does that. & HIV has never remained still HIV, the numerous strains are the equivalent of species.

Catfishes may look just catfish but there are some species of it.

In short, if you don't mind, I really need to know what you referred to as the standard definition of species and your understanding of it.

If I'm right, Plasmodium was first discovered as P. malariae but in the face of increasing severity of malaria, P. falciparum came to light. And it was said to be more virulent.
P. vivax too was discovered.

In plants too, differents species have been found to be natural hybrids of preexisting species. & these hybrids have been reproduced through artificial selection.

Regarding mutation, I will repeat, it is necessary for variability, & variability serves evolution.
Christianity EtcRe: Evolution And The Seagull Dance. by labimide: 4:22am On Dec 01, 2014
davidylan:
Not a problem. I just didnt want us to spend too much time speculating and pretending that this is equivalent to fact.
It's ok. The challenge is, we all choose to be convinved and until we do, no amount of facts can do the trick.

So, about the question. It's not a question for an evolutionist whose stance is that life started as a single species and diverged to as many as we have today and is still diverging.

Nobody ever lives up to a million years to ascertain first hand about classical speciation. So, the evidences tends more to the side of deductive reasoning.

But then, you will ask me about 'testability'. Yes, it is a bedrock of science. The testability lies more on the side of micro-evolution. Studies on micro-evolution have greatly favoured the theory of evolution with inspiring results. I am even working on one at present.

This is not to say that there hasn't been specific research on speciation. In fact, scientist have found a way around this millions of years requirement by researching on organisms with extremely short life cycles. And microbial studies have come handy in this regard.

So, in keeping with your question, you might want to consider malaria parasites (Plasmodium sp). Which have undergone significant evolution over the years in the line of drug resistance. Also, while scientists do not refer to viruses as species, but rather strains, HIV is a classical example of 'radical evolution in progress'.

Again, I'll mention that the understanding of the term 'species' as being used by scientist is critical to a thorough understanding of evolution.

PS: Your question would have been more decent without the use of the phrase 'talking in circles'.
Christianity EtcRe: Evolution And The Seagull Dance. by labimide: 3:08am On Dec 01, 2014
davidylan:
Rather than wasting time talking in circles, can you provide one example where speciation has actually been observed empirically? thanks.
Unfortunately, it would seem 'talking in circles' is what I enjoy doing. So?
Christianity EtcRe: Evolution And The Seagull Dance. by labimide: 2:41am On Dec 01, 2014
davidylan:
I think the main point is that all these do not produce new distinct species. That is the fundamental problem.
They all do. It should be mentioned though, that variability is the ingredient for evolution. And it is supplied by mutation. This raw material (variability) is what other factors work upon to bring about, first, micro-evolution and eventually speciation (macro-evolution).

The whole process takes place in millions of years. However, micro-evolution can be observed and measured, using tools such as Hardy-Weinberg's, gene frequencies, genotypic frequencies etc, within a reasonably short period of time.

A question for another day is, to what extent should two organisms be different before they are considered new species? Understanding this gives the whole concept new and interesting meaning.
Christianity EtcRe: Evolution And The Seagull Dance. by labimide: 1:36am On Dec 01, 2014
UyiIredia:
What about death driving selection ? Listing bogus types of the same bogus concept isn't going to work. Random mutation and NS are the primary mechanisms listed as driving evolution so switching focus won't work here. Try another tactic.
Actually, you keep proving that you don't know enough to distinguish between bogus and genuine, if you are confronted with either.

Logic and eloquence are not enough, splice them with adequate knowledge.

You do leave a lot to admire, anyway. The reason I look forward to you posts. Quite some analytical mind!
Christianity EtcRe: Evolution And The Seagull Dance. by labimide: 1:12am On Dec 01, 2014
UyiIredia:
What about death driving selection ? Listing bogus types of the same bogus concept isn't going to work. Random mutation and NS are the primary mechanisms listed as driving evolution so switching focus won't work here. Try another tactic.
Selection (both natural and artificial), genetic drift, migration, mutation, isolation and gene flow all drive evolution.
Christianity EtcRe: Evolution And The Seagull Dance. by labimide: 12:29am On Dec 01, 2014
sinequanon:
With DNA, your supposed "code" can fork into two branches, and the two branches can remain compatible. Real code would crash immediately. Imagine if Microsoft and Oracle started maintaining code independently for a while, and then Oracle tried to run its software on Windows. It would crash. But with DNA, you can successfully crossbreed individuals from population which have long separated and evolved independently.
Not all crossbreeding is a success. In fact, crossing unrelated species results in haploidy, which produces sterile and nonviable individuals.

In plants, this problem of sterility has been solved by following through to F2 when chromosome number can be doubled (achieving diploidy and in some complex scenario, polyploidy) and this has impacted positively, in no small measure, on our food production.

Unfortunately in animals, the severity of nonviability in these haploid individuals prevents them from reaching sexual maturity. So, the possibilty of tweaking to achieve diploidy is not yet realised.

Diploidy is vital for fertility and sometimes, viability. So, 'compatility despite forking,' as you put it, is not always true.
Christianity EtcRe: Evolution And The Seagull Dance. by labimide: 4:29pm On Nov 29, 2014
sinequanon:
ok, how about this..

..your response is the second most foolish thing I have read on Nairaland, after Evilbrain's dismal contribution.

Now, as for presentation, yes, I realize that presentation, not substance, is what persuades you. It would have saved a lot of time if you had simply said that at the beginning before whistling like a kettle.
You amuse me. If I may ask, how old are you?

Now, go ahead spit more insult out. I must give it to you, you seem well groomed at that.
Christianity EtcRe: Evolution And The Seagull Dance. by labimide: 3:18pm On Nov 29, 2014
AlfaSeltzer:
See the lies of evolutionist staring them back in the face. A book that was not addressing the origin of species, called itself what!? THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES.
Go figure.
Origin of life =/= origin of species

Origin of species = speciation, formation of new species from prexisting ones.
Christianity EtcRe: Evolution And The Seagull Dance. by labimide: 2:24pm On Nov 29, 2014
sinequanon:
[s]You probably still don't understand...

Anyway, I actually see what is happening, here. You are someone who accepts everything that your "superiors" have told you. If it is in a science book or video, it is unquestionable. Just like a Christian takes what is in the Bible to be unquestionable.
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I could have ignored this, but then I will be doing you a great disservice. While I will pretend that you never wrote any of those, you should know that having strong opinions about issues is one thing, which in itself is not bad, presentation is another. And presentation is what generates the rift. You might want to temper your presentation with choice words.

And don't write like you know me, cos you don't. You will only make a fool of yourself doing so.

sinequanon:
So because it is LABELED a theory, it is proven.
"Darwin's Theory" is a title. I used the title. My point is that the assertion by that title is only an hypothesis.
Are you a scientist? Do you understand scientific method at all? I don't think so, because if you do, you will understand that those words are not just 'labels'. They are used with meaning.

Whatever you mean by 'assertion of title', it doesn't sound like a true scientist's definition of theory, or even hypothesis.

And if you happen to be a scientist by any criterion, it's just a title, kindly find another trade.

So, reply with caution if you have to. I might just be your pastor, your imam, your priest, or just that very dear friend you'll regret offending. You never know; you don't know me.

Remember, Caution!
Christianity EtcRe: Evolution And The Seagull Dance. by labimide: 1:15pm On Nov 29, 2014
sinequanon:
That is why Darwin's theory of evolution is only an hypothesis that is being hyped as a proven fact.

Look at the reaction in most of the posts in this thread towards learning from your own environment. Most of the posters didn't even understand the point!

Evilbrain gave a totally generalized description of Darwin's hypothesis, but failed miserably at critiquing its application to the OP.

For him, the hypothesis itself is proof of itself, and he felt that he could substitute ANY OLD RUBBISH (a bird with a "brain touch", running around for no good reason!) into the hypothesis to make it stand up to a specific test. And he was serious. He really believed that some neural glitch appeared in the brain of some seagull and made it stamp on the ground for several minutes at a time, without knowing why. And this crazy behaviour was an advantage to a creature that is vulnerable on the ground and whose main diet is seafood.

A number of other posters were the same. They help to demonstrate why Darwin's hypothesis has not been properly tested. They accept ANY OLD RUBBISH as validation! The thread has done its job in discovering that the motives of most atheists are political, but dressed up in ignorant bandying of scientific terms and hypotheses.

The psychology is that validation is in fact irrelevant for them. That is why they believe that regurgitating the assertions in Darwin's hypothesis is an answer to the OP -- count how many posters did just that. As long as there is something, ANYTHING, there that refutes a god, they are prepared to believe it. That is why I think hard atheism is a very weak position when assessing scientific hypotheses.
A theory is not an hypothesis. A theory is proven.

I judge that Darwin's stance in Origin of species was purely academic. So, concerning atheism, anyone can chose to believe whatever they want, so far they can rationalize it. Afterall, that's what most beliefs would seem to be about.

But then, it will be very unfair to try to break another's belief to strengthen yours. Belief is a strong thing. It keeps people going during tough times, gives them reasons to keep living. If it's not barbaric & no one is getting hurt (though it's sometimes difficult to ascertain this), I think we can manage.

Unfortunately, the battle for superiority of belief has been unending. And we have lost and will still lose more to it. So, it all falls back to Darwinism, the strongest belief survives (ref: cultural evolution).

A question we should ponder on is, can we be objective enough to serve humanity at the expense of our belief?

Just musing...
Christianity EtcRe: Evolution And The Seagull Dance. by labimide: 12:31pm On Nov 29, 2014
EvilBrain1:
Actually, in his Origin of the Species, Darwin was very clear that his theory didn't address where the first life came from. The man did really good science and it is amazing how much he got right at the first attempt.



Genetics has lead to a lot of surprises and new discoveries, but that is mainly because of the way scientists used to classify animals. Before, taxonomy was based mainly on anatomy morphology which lead to some mistakes due to things like convergent evolution where 2 unrelated species end up with similar features. Now that we can look directly at DNA, we've been able to rearrange the family tree and fix those problems. But the core theory of evolution hasn't changed that much since we added Mendelian inheritance and genetic drift to it.



As far as I know those horizontal links are mostly seen in unicellular life that shares DNA and the occasional hybrid species. There's also viral DNA that gets incorporated into that of higher animals such as humans.

Also, sea sponges are our cousins. Cucumbers are our more distant cousins. All living things known to man descended from a common ancestor and we share DNA even with bacteria.
Christianity EtcRe: Evolution And The Seagull Dance. by labimide: 2:04am On Nov 29, 2014
sinequanon:
And what else do you think the thread is about? huh

I don't mean to be rude, but are you yet another person who didn't understand the OP?



ok, go and do that, then answer the OP. huh
No be by mouth. Finance the research.
Christianity EtcRe: Evolution And The Seagull Dance. by labimide: 1:58am On Nov 29, 2014
UyiIredia:
What's there to dismantle ? Only fools will see anything to it. Random mutations spoils things and has never been seen to make a new feature and natural selection can't make a damn pin. It is over hyped by evolutionists blind to the facts. EvilBrains post there was just one case of evolutionary storytelling.
Are you sure? Your delivery comes across as confidence, but then the content of what is written betrays you. Please that's not an insult.

Do you understand the concept of fitness and selection?
Convergent & divergent evolution?
Micro- & macroevolution?
Stabilizing, directional & diruptive selection?
Conjuntion & nondisjunction?
Allopatric & sympatric speciation?

The point is, there is a lot to learn before passing any judgement.

Granted that mutation is often random & often disruptive in effect. But mutation is jst one out of many factors that drive evolution. Even at that, some induced mutation can be targeted (ref: gene therapy/gene transfer/recombinant DNA Technology).

Concerning evolution by natural selection, please consider the evidence before you say natural selection cannot do anything. There is a force behind natural selection, and that is 'survival'. And trust me, 'survival is real'.

...There's a lot to talk about, but my fingers are tired.
Christianity EtcRe: Evolution And The Seagull Dance. by labimide: 1:09am On Nov 29, 2014
Kay17:
Predators are naturally smart. In my opinion, it can be accounted for intelligence. The seagulls have the ability to manipulate their environment and especially where there are rewards, the trait is useful and valuable enough to be passed on to the subsequent generations.
How are the traits passed? Through genes?
Christianity EtcRe: Evolution And The Seagull Dance. by labimide: 12:54am On Nov 29, 2014
EvilBrain1:
First of all,the ToE doesn't attempt to explain the origin of life. It only deals with how life behaves and changes once it exists. Its a common misconception that many people have but its important you understand that.

Also, I would be very careful before proclaiming that something is impossible for science. If you look at the historical trend you'll see that its not in your favour. Simple things like cell phones would have looked like powerful witchcraft just a hundred or so years ago and the pace of technology is only increasing.

Plus we're already well underway to deciphering the origin of life. Its possible that that problem could even be solved in our lifetime. Watch the video. Its a bit outdated, but it will give you a fair idea of where the research is heading.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgQLyqWaCbA
Hmmm... Experiements regarding the Origin of life dated way way back. One of the very plausible ones is that by Stanly-Miller. There have been references to terms like 'coecervates' & protobionts. If my memory serves me right, protobionts, according to scientists, was the very first form of life.

Experiments on the origin of life focused on synthesizing organic compounds from simple inorganics ones, most especially ones that were thought to be present in the 1st primitive atmosphere.
Christianity EtcRe: Evolution And The Seagull Dance. by labimide: 12:40am On Nov 29, 2014
sinequanon:
Theory of Evolution vs Theism is a false dichotomy.

What I am really after here is for some Darwinist to demonstrate that they apply their own experience to their belief, and don't just swallow what they have been told (brainwashed with) -- by..

1. Noticing behaviours around them in their everyday lives, like the seagull behaviour.

2. Having the presence of mind to question it.

3. Asking how the Theory of Evolution applies.
Actually, there is something called evolution of behaviour. But before you start talking about that, you want to know if the said behaviour is a FAP (fixed action pattern), learned behaviour or an imprint. After which you talk about the genetic content of the behaviour. Providing answers to relevant questions on the above leads us into the evolution of the behaviour.
EducationRe: Nairaland Jamb Tutorial Centre {Biology Thread} by labimide: 12:19am On Nov 29, 2014
Microflux:
bruh normally is b4 the question. So its hormone
Regardless, hormones are products of genes.
EducationRe: Nairaland Jamb Tutorial Centre {Biology Thread} by labimide: 12:05am On Nov 29, 2014
Microflux:
u missed the it bruh! Chromosomes are rod-shaped bodies found in the nucleus of a cell and in which genes are located. Y GENES are are units of inheritance composed of DNA and located in chromosome. But the 2nd question is sumhow confusing, because of the ' normally' b4 d question had it bin there is notin lyk normally b4 the question the answer will be E. Environment also deter character but normally its gene and hormones. Thanks. So 1. E 2. D
but it would seem that hormones are coded for by genes (ref: X & Y xsomes). So, I'll go for E.
EducationRe: Nairaland Jamb Tutorial Centre {Biology Thread} by labimide: 11:49pm On Nov 28, 2014
Microflux:
CELL
I know you have been taught this in your primary school days. But notwithstanding.
The cell is the basic unit of the body and the study of heredity is centred on the NUCLEUS of a living cell. However, not much was mentioned in your primary and early secondary school days about its hereditary properties. Within the nucleus of the cell are materials that control the heredity of the individual. We should remember that only the chromosome is involved in heredity which is determined during the process of meiosis during gametogenesis. [b]Gametogenesis is when the spermatozoa and the ovum fuse together [/b]then mitosis will take place dividing the somatic cell to form the zygote. This are the stages of formation of a baby.
Gametogenesis -> zygote -> foetus -> baby. A pregnancy is abortable easily at the zygote/ early foetus stage.
Diagram of a cell below.
That's fertilization. On the other hand, gametogenesis is the process of formation of gametes (spermatozoa and ova) through meiosis. You mentioned this later anyway. Well done.
BusinessRe: How To Make $1,000/month Writing And Researching Online by labimide: 8:07pm On Nov 28, 2014
Nairalander01:
Hi All,
Please while i was trying to claim my 1 month free subscription on freelancer.com, I was asked to first verify my payment method and i tried using my bank's(first bank) atm card and it was rejected, how else can i get around this... Any idea?
First Bank's verve card does not work. Try using master card. I used firstbank's master card via paypal.
PhonesRe: Top 5 Reason Why Tecno Is Still The Worst Android Phone Ever by labimide: 10:20am On Nov 20, 2014
[quote author=Royalization post=28181905][/quote]You don't need to be rude.
PhonesRe: Top 5 Reason Why Tecno Is Still The Worst Android Phone Ever by labimide: 10:12am On Nov 20, 2014
bayaar:
the only point in ur post is the OS update. Pertaining to the warranty issue, there is difference between warranty and guaranty. Warranty deals with the fone software, maybe it has some factory problem while guaranty deals with hardware in the case of the broken screen... Cest Claire?
Are you sure?
Jobs/VacanciesRe: Theois Bank Job Invitation - ASO Savings and Loans by labimide: 5:12pm On Sep 05, 2014
lekhane: Flight code has been sent, hope you have received it, I'm on my way to the airport
Help! I dey airport o.
Jobs/VacanciesRe: Theois Bank Job Invitation - ASO Savings and Loans by labimide: 5:11pm On Sep 05, 2014
Tjesctacy: Oh boi, na code tinz??
I dey airport already, I no sabi hw 2 go abt things o. Help!
Jobs/VacanciesRe: Theois Bank Job Invitation - ASO Savings and Loans by labimide: 11:23am On Sep 05, 2014
lekhane: yea, I also received the mail, I immediately sent the mail and got a response that my mail was received, nothing more. I was expecting him to sent the ticket details, just send it as stated and lets know what response you are given.
Pls any info on d flight details yet?
Jobs/VacanciesRe: Job search: A creative way by labimide: 12:21am On Aug 20, 2014
Best candidate for a marketing post. He does know how to market himself.
Jobs/VacanciesRe: Any Information About BRGC CONSULTS by labimide: 8:28pm On Aug 17, 2014
seuncote: I recieved a message from BRGC CONSULTS that i have been invited for a chat on thursday.pls i will like to know wheither is a scam or not
Pls. Did u go 4 d interview? How did it go? R they 4 real? I have one with dm 2mao.

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