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Jovi10:
What is the meaning of genocide if I may ask you?

the crime of intentionally destroying part or all of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, by killing people or by other methods like the ones china used on the Uighurs .



Let me also give you examples of genocide and the reason for those genocide.






Rwanda. The Tutsis were hunted down and killed because of divisions caused by the colonial masters. Giving preference to Tutsis than Hutu. The Hutu then demonised the Tutsis that without them Rwanda will move forward.
Majority of the Tutsis were killed


This genocide took place in a civil war My Lord take 📝.


Cambodian genocide. This was a genocide against rich and wealthy people if you live in the city and were educated you were a target.The Cambodian Genocide was the result of a social engineering project by the Khmer Rouge, attempting to create a classless agrarian society.

Once the Khmer Rouge took power, they instituted a radical reorganization of Cambodian society. This meant the forced removal of city dwellers into the countryside, where they would be forced to work as farmers, digging canals and tending to crops. Gross mismanagement of the country’s economy led to shortages of food and medicine, and untold numbers of people succumbed to disease and starvation. Families were also split up. The Khmer Rouge created labor brigades, assigning groups depending on age and gender. This policy resulted in hundreds of thousands of Cambodians starving to death wearing glasses made you a target.

Religious and ethnic minorities faced particular persecution. Christian and Buddhist groups were targeted for repression but it was the Cham Muslim( they were the richest and most educated then) group that was most affected by the genocide. As many as 500,000 people, or 70% of the total Cham population, were exterminated. Because the Khmer Rouge placed a heavy emphasis on the rural peasant population, anyone considered an intellectual was targeted for special treatment. This meant teachers, lawyers, doctors, and clergy were the targets of the regime. Even people wearing glasses were the target of Pol Pot’s reign of terror.


Uighur genocide. Reason being that they were Muslims.


About a million are in jail their children in state owned boarding schools their women forced to go through forced abortions.


Their population is down 60%.

Omo many dey but typing is tiring for me so any more questions and I'll be at your house to shoot you.

Jovi10:
What metrics makes Syria or Ukraine a genocide?

I have already given you an answer now answer my question.


What metrics makes Gaza a genocide

Jovi10:
What metrics makes Syria or Ukraine a genocide?

If you ask me I'll say Syria and Ukraine are not a genocide.

The issue here is many of you tag the Israeli war in Gaza as genocide.


When they are worst atrocities that were not tag a genocide.


Three million Germans died in World War 2 have you heard anyone call it the German genocide?


The world genocide is used to freely if you want to demonise your enemy chant genocide.

Ghostagain:
So what you are saying is that we should go and investigate how many civilians died during russian bombing of Isis and Al-Qaida ?
And that should be our only interest ?
(I see you still purposely confuse Judaism with the colonial state of Israel and it's government.)

If you believe you are making any sense, then you are mistaking.

The stats are there no need for investigations detective?



The state of israel is a Jewish state the only Jewish state in the world Jews are the majority here.



Anyway being Jewish is also an ethnicity.


Jews come from the tribe of Judah hence why they are called Jews.

Jovi10:
It doesn't erase the fact that genocide is being committed in Gaza does it?

What genocide what metrics makes Gaza a genocide?


Death of civilians?


Intent? Since 1948 the Arabs have been screaming genocide. Genocide doest take almost 80 fucking years.

People under a genocide population doest increase even now the population of Palestinians in Gaza population is more than before the current war began.

Jovi10:
Still add it first let's see😁

Wait you nor sabi maths abi you nor know the stats add am your self post for here.

obedience4:
It's like this guys don't have brains or they do but have deliberately decided to stop using it.
Anything happening in gaza is not up to 5% of what Russia has done in Syria

No Jews no news

Ghostagain:
By "the Syrians" you mean Al-Qaida and Isis ?

You guys have either lost your minds or you never had minds to start with. Even the french media is calling your new found heroes "islamists".

Nope I mean the civillian calsuaties they incur from blowing up alqaeda and Isis.



Let's discuss how many CIVILLIANs died.


Because it's not Jews there no outrage.

Jovi10:
You already answered me. If Russia is responsible for that of Syria , then Israel is responsible for that of Palestinians in Gaza as well. Except you want to own up to your hypocrisy 🤷😁😁😁

Well Syrians did not kill and kidnap thousands of Russians before Russia decided to do to the Syrians what it is doing to them now. Imagine that had happened.

Jovi10:
And why did you stop at 2020?

So that I can tell you this.

Covid years were peaceful. Even if I added the current Palestinians crisis it isn't up to half of the fatalities caused by the Syrian civil war

They have eyes but they don't want to see.

Syria civil war began in 2011 still ongoing.

As of May 2021, according to the GCR2P NGO, a minimum of 580,000 people is estimated to have been killed; with 13 million Syrians being displaced and 6.7 million refugees forced to flee Syria. Not a genocide

I purposely did not want to add the record of 2022,2023, and the current fighting going on.


All Jewish and Palestinians conflict calsuaties from 1948.


Historical records indicate that from various conflicts, including the wars and uprisings, the total number of Palestinian casualties has reached over 144,963, with approximately 66,789 fatalities reported in different periods of conflict.


Clowns : oh my goodness Israel is committing a genocide .


2011 to 2023 Syria civil war over 500k fatalities

Every Israel Palestinian conflict 2008 to 2020
Just over 5k

LordAdam16:
Wonderful.

According to you, a "case of genocide" occurred in Nigeria during the civil war.
But you have spent the last year arguing that not once since Israel instituted an apartheid system in Palestine over the last SEVENTY (70) years has it committed genocide or ethnic cleansing.

You have a very liberal definition of genocide.
But you refuse to apply it to the cHoSeN people.

Anyway, since you are too ret**ded to make the connection yourself, I'll do it for you.
By your yardstick, Israel is committing ethnic cleansing and genocide in Palestine.

Now, to properly elucidate why you have a room temperature IQ.
Genocides do not always happen in civil wars.
Perhaps you can tell us how many cases of genocide occurred during the Finnish civil war.
But by its very definition, apartheid always facilitate ethnic cleansing and when extreme aggression is applied lead to genocide.

Legally, genocide refers to certain acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. That is undeniably happening in Palestine.
This is not happening in Syria.
This is not happening in Ukraine.
Assad has been one of the most tolerant leaders in the Middle East.
His records speak for him.
In contrast, the Israeli state has been genocidal to Palestinians since its inception.
Since the start of the civil war, Assad has not committed acts with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, or religious group.
Aleppo sustained one of the worst cases of destruction at the peak of the civil war.
It has been thriving since then until your terrorist compadres unilaterally broke the peace.
The same terrorists by the way who are destroying Christmas trees in Aleppo.

Assad and Putin do not execute any campaign to specifically target an ethnic or religious group for extermination or cleansing, in whole or in part. Why would they do that?
But the militias do. The Turks and Wahhabists (like ISIL) do.

It is instructive that only the certified d*lts on this thread continue to cheer the genocide in Palestine.
And you are a bigger buff**n for simultaneously debating that Israel has not committed genocide while insisting that the acts they've committed in Palestine are genocidal acts.

You are the disgusting id**t with terminal inferiority complex who cannot bring himself to accept that the Western and Israeli demigods he worships should play by the same rules as everyone else.
A Nigerian saying genocide happened in Nigeria, but genocide has never happened in Palestine.
You are a disgrace to yourself, your family, your lineage, your race, and whatever you worship!
COW!

-Lord

Omo my Lord you Mumu oh Israel have been commiting genocide for 70 years with intent to kill Palestinians for 70 years why because they are Palestinians and Muslim.


The longest genocide ever . Gosh Israel is sure terrible at commiting genocide because the people they have and intent to destroy have only more than tripled in population.


You scream apartheid because of certain restrictions on the movement of Palestinian people? You forget that even Egypt placed restrictions on the movement of Palestinians the reason is same as Israel for security reasons. The number of terrorist attack carried out by Palestinians against Jews is enough to restrict the movement of Palestinians and that isn't apartheid.


Israel has Arab and Muslim citizens that have full rights on their movement and everything .


Palestinians are Arabs and Muslims that's not the reason Israel place restrictions on them.



Terrorism is the reason.


Israel isn't the monster in this story, Israel is the one doing all it can to stop the monster from hurting people.

Empiree:
your brother


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMECi3OLac0?si=IwHYhW6wmM9uIwZz

So what? Because some Jews mostly ultra othordox Jews don't believe in Christianity then I should hate the Jews? My sister it isn't about Christianity. Maybe it's about Islam for you.

And besides there are messianic jews in Israel 350,000: An estimate of the number of Messianic Jews in Israel in 2017, as reported by Jerusalem Daily

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HONMl8XFyi8?si=6aapEQrvVM81Y0S7

LordAdam16:
Come back when you've looked up the difference between civil war and apartheid.

Genocide apologist!

-Lord

I thought you were intelligent.


Let's discuss the apartheid in the state of israel. Who is being marginalised in Israel.

WriteerNg:
⚡Scenes from Idlib, after a Russian airstrike hit the city.

Imagine this to be GAZA.

Nor be only Palestinian genocide.

Empiree:
Mumu plenty on NL

You're absolutely correct.
Just deactivate your NL account so they can be one less Mumu on nairaland.

Thank you

slaawomirr:
Damnnn niggar

Just go ahead and play it...

We are the football mafias

We have fixed it already

Football Mafia how far na?

Empiree:
Russia can not just get involved like that. They have pact with Syrian govt back in 2015 if I remembered correctly, to defend its interest by defending Syria from those israel-western backed terrorists and Russia did well by now showing Syria to fall. And Russia and Turkey were directly involved in ceasefire btw Syrian govt and the terrorists. But now, terrorists have violated ceasefire by attacking Aleppo.

If Russia is to back in the game again they will have to have directly talks with Assad.. Russia always advise by agreement that's why they don't just get involved anyhow.. You see, Russia did not involve with Israel while Israel attacks infrastructure in Syria despite having military base there.

Those terrorists need to be obliterated. If they were arrested there is no need to try them in court.. Just kpai them.. They are alkaida and is.is supported by Israel and Israel pretends as if it has nothing to do with them and the mumu Christians in Nigeria think this Israel is God's own country

You all are just delusional from Israel backs ISIS now they back Al Qaeda. Hamas leaders were seen waving the flags of the Syrian rebels the rebels fight along side Al Qaeda backed militias.


Israel is even considering entering Syria to prevent the rebels from reaching the Syrian border with Israel.

Cancri:
they should pls get things under control, it is better for a dictator to rule a land than for a terrorist to rule.

The west should send military aid to syria

I agree I hate Assad but I will prefer him to an alqeada backed group.

Vic2023:
if it is not in Russia term , Russia lose the war as Israel lost this war



Hezbollah is defeated? No be defeated side suppose dey request for ceasefire?



if Israel has defeated the Hezbollah as you stated why did Israel requesting for the negotiation?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mumu


The IDF aim is to destroy Hezbollah capabilities,drive Hezbollah back north of the Litani river, to force it to comply with UN resolution 1701 and allow displaced people in northern Israel to return to their homes through military means which of it is fulfilled by military means?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Israel is required to negotiate.


Hezbollah should have not accepted the deal if they were winning what do you think was the reason they accepted a deal which they said they would not accept unless a deal is made in Gaza. Give me a good reason that they accepted the deal which favours Israel.


Hezbollah has agreed to redraw beyond the litany abi they nor agree.


The Lebanese army now control southern Lebanon abi they nor dey control am.


Cry more Vic cry

Vic2023:
mumu

Idiot they feel and know Israel was winning and so they wanted the Israeli government to attack until Hezbollah was destroyed.


They don't want a ceasefire deal.


Hope you understood.

Mille:
Use Google lens and then translate.

Do you think Israel defeated Hezbollah

61% - No
26% - Yes
13% - Not sure

Well the Jews wanted the total destruction of Hezbollah they feel Nateyahu is letting them go too easy. I also feel the same way.


But it doesn't change the fact that the Jews defeated Hezbollah.


To many Jews the win feels like a defeat.

Vic2023:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 werey
@ the bold
Ok the withdrawal of Russia from Ukraine through negotiations mean,it wins the war? Despite losing billions of dollars number of soldiers and civilians?
What is Ukraine going to lose as a loser?

Omo you Mumu oh.


So let's say Trump makes a deal with Russia and it end it's war in Ukraine does it mean that Russia lost.



You say despite losing billions of dollars soldiers and civilians as if Ukraine has not also lost billions of dollars solders and civilians.


Israel defeated Hezbollah on the battlefield that defeat made Hezbollah agree to Israel's terms in the ceasefire agreement.


Hezbollah's terms were we would not stop until a ceasefire deal is traced in Gaza.


Israel terms were Hezbollah has to move away from the border beyond the litany river.


Now tell me whose terms were met. In a ceasefire agreement the side with the most favourable deal wins


Dey there dey lie give yourself

Mille:
My brother, just stick to calling people Islamists and giving your one word answers abeg. I don't think you understand anything beyond that.

In other news, Israel Channel 13 poll. Looks like 61+13% of occupier settlers have small brain.

What's the poll about I don't understand Hebrew.

[b][b][b]Prime Minister Netanyahu’s Full Statement:

“The duration of the ceasefire depends on what happens in Lebanon. We will enforce the agreement and respond forcefully to any violation. Together, we will continue until victory.

Citizens of Israel,
I promised you victory—and we will achieve it.

We will complete the elimination of Hamas, bring back all our abductees, ensure Gaza no longer poses a threat to Israel, and safely return northern residents to their homes.

The war will not end until all its goals are achieved, including the safe return of northern residents. This will happen, just as it did in the south.

To the residents of the north,
I am proud of you and your resilience. I am fully committed to your security, rebuilding your communities, and securing your future.

Thanks to the bravery of the IDF, Shin Bet, Mossad, and the Israel Police, we have achieved remarkable success on seven fronts in the “War of Resilience.” These achievements have amazed the world and demonstrated Israel’s strength across the Middle East:
1.Iran: We destroyed significant portions of its air defense, missile production capabilities, and key elements of its nuclear program. Preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons remains my top priority.
2.Gaza: We dismantled Hamas brigades, killed approximately 20,000 terrorists, eliminated senior leaders, and freed 154 hostages. We remain committed to bringing all abductees home and eradicating Hamas.
3.Judea and Samaria: We have neutralized hundreds of terrorists, destroyed terror infrastructure, and reached every stronghold of terror.
4.Yemen: We struck the Houthi-controlled port of Hodeidah with unprecedented force.
5.Iraq: We successfully thwarted numerous drone attacks and continue to address challenges there.[/b]
6.[b]Syria: We systematically block Iran, Hezbollah, and the Syrian army from transferring weapons to Lebanon. Assad must understand—he is playing with fire.
7.Lebanon: Hezbollah attacked us on October 8, but it is no longer the same Hezbollah. We have set them back decades, eliminated Nasrallah and senior operatives, destroyed most of their rockets, and dismantled their terror infrastructure near our border. Strategic targets across Lebanon have been hit, and Beirut trembles.

Citizens of Israel,
Three months ago, this seemed like science fiction, but we made it a reality. Every step of this campaign has been carefully considered.

Tonight, I will present the Cabinet with a ceasefire plan for Lebanon. Its duration depends on what happens there. In coordination with the U.S., we retain full military freedom of action. Any Hezbollah violation—whether rearming, building terror infrastructure, launching rockets, or digging tunnels—will be met with force.

Some claim a ceasefire will prevent us from resuming fighting. I remind you, the same was said about Gaza, yet we returned to fight—and decisively.

Why a ceasefire now? Three main reasons:
1.Focus on the Iranian threat.
2.Replenishing and upgrading our forces with advanced weaponry to ensure the safety of our soldiers and strengthen our capabilities.
3.Isolating Hamas: Since the second day of the war, Hamas has relied on Hezbollah joining the fight. With Hezbollah out of the equation, Hamas is left isolated, allowing us to increase pressure on them and aid in the sacred mission of freeing our hostages.

Citizens of Israel,
Over the past year, we have turned the tables. Attacked on seven fronts, we responded with strength and transformed the Middle East. These accomplishments are thanks to our brave soldiers, your steadfast resilience, and the firm and calculated management of the war.

I have often said: A good agreement is one that is enforced—and we will enforce this agreement.[/b]

With God’s help, we will establish security, restore vitality to the north, and continue together until victory![/b][/b]

Vic2023:
if Russia withdraw from Ukraine, Who wins the war?

A ceasefire agreement is different from withdrawing from a war because you are losing.


If an agreement is reached in Ukraine and Russia agrees with it an withdraw do not mean that it lost the war.


The fact that Hezbollah clearly said no agreement will be reached with Israel unless a ceasefire deal is made in Gaza should tell you who won the War.


Hezbollah is feeling the losses and has thrown Hamas under the bus.


Hamas is now on their own.

LordAdam16:
It is an Hezbollah victory!

Israel is Hezbollah's regular customer.
10/10 times, they'll lose.

The IDF is only set up for quick wars.
Positional, dynamic, drawn-out warfare that extends for months is their kryptonite.

They are scared of Iran for the same reason.
Sure they would successfully strike targets in Iran. Heck, they could even get some high-profile assassinations under their belt.
But the scale of destruction that'll be meted on them after a year-long war with Iran will drive them to capitulation.

-Lord

How is this a Hezbollahs victory?


It isn't even a stalemate like in 2006.


There are lands under Israeli control in Lebanon right now.


Hezbollah lost more men than the Israelis.


Lost more influential people in authority than the Israelis



Most of Hezbollah's strong holds are in shambles due to Israeli airstrikes.

Now if they agree to the ceasefire agreement they will move beyond the litany river and Lebanese army will then be in control of Southern Lebanon.


Israel's northern residents will return home.



Lastly Hezbollah should have some pride what happened to unless a ceasefire deal is made in Gaza we won't agree to anything.


So on what merit is this a Hezbollah's victory my dear Lord.

Mille:
You're being trying to be clever by half. Everything they said they would do, they planned to do it militarily in three weeks. This was even at a point where Hezbollah was at its weakest ever in its History. They failed.

Israel has repeatedly stated its most important goal to be the dismantling of Hezbollah military and political structure in Lebanon. That's why they were hitting areas Hezbollah was not even in control of. They failed to generate the civil strife they have hoped for inside Lebanon. Hence why we see Netanyahu address the Lebanese people directly so many times like in the attached image. Go and check Israeli leaders posts and their frustration with non-Shia Lebanese citizens.

About returning the Northern residents, the goal was to do it militarily. They failed. Now if this is signed, both Northern Israel and Southern Lebanese people might return to their homes.

They failed to destroy the capabilities of Hezbollah as they said they would.

It turned out to be a needless war especially for Hezbollah who took losses for no reason if Gaza was not mentioned. I'm still waiting for confirmation from them tomorrow.

Quick question;

If there is a ceasefire agreement today between Hamas and Israel. The return of all hostages in return for end of hostilities in Gaza, would you say Israel also achieved its objectives in Gaza?

Where did you see that Israel planned to destroy Hezbollah in three weeks?



Let's say because the Russian war against Ukraine took longer than the Russians expected does it mean they did not achieve their objectives?



Hezbollah's strong holds and most of their infastrustures are in southern Lebanon so if they are forced to redraw beyond the litany river then they hold no lands .



The goal was to return the Israeli citizens to their homes whether by military means or negotiations.


Hezbollah tied their fates to Hamas they lost nasrallah and their whole chain of command and for what?


Now after so much heavy losses they have thrown Hamas under the bus.



Israel isn't even happy about the cease fire
Joe Biden is pushing Benjamin Netanyahu to approve the ceasefire agreement in Lebanon in exchange for the removal of the U.S arms embargo on Israel and a US veto in the UN Security Council resolution that will force a ceasefire anyway.

Biden is literally blackmailing Netanyahu while Israel is fighting for its survival.
With such friends who need enemies?

Prime Minister Netanyahu in the marathon of talks throughout the evening: The cease-fire agreement is not ideal, but there is a real danger that the US will impose on us in the United Nations Security Council a unilateral decision to stop the war, when on the one hand there will be sanctions against us if we do not stop, and on the other hand we will not have freedom of action in case of violation. If this happens - we will get both a ceasefire and no agreement - so if it is possible to postpone the end for two months and we have an American commitment to strike for any violation, it is surely better than the alternative.

Do you get it?
The Biden administration is threatening Netanyahu.

Allthelight:
The guy believe Hezbollah has heavy machinery lolz

Delusional folks that's what they are.

nedu666:
Wrong. Isreal security cabinet hasn't voted on the proposal. Also hzebollah hasn't agreed to the some of the clause

Did I say anyone agreed to it? That's just the details of the proposed ceasefire agreement.

Mille:
Stop pulling distorted facts from your anus.

Hezbollah is not moving beyond the litany river. It is only expected to relocate heavy weapons north of the river.

Israel will withdraw from the Southern border and the LAF will move in to control their side of the border. I don't even know why both will depend on an army that usually decides not to show up.

We already know why Israel are now pushing for a ceasefire in Lebanon.

Anyway, we'll see tomorrow about Hezbollah and Gaza.

And btw, both 'armies' did not achieve their objectives

Details of the emerging agreement:

* The IDF will evacuate its forces from Lebanon within 60 days so that the Lebanese army can occupy the territories from which the IDF has evacuated.

* The forces of the Lebanese army will destroy the remaining Hezbollah infrastructures up to the Litani border and in fact the area from southern Lebanon to the Litani river will be under the total control of the Lebanese army (0 Hizbollah lands)

*As part of the follow-up after the implementation of the agreement, a committee of 5 countries was established whose role will be to monitor the phases of the agreement and their full implementation. The additional role of the committee will be to enforce the agreement and prevent violations. If the committee fails to get Hezbollah to enforce fire discipline, Israel will have a free hand to act.



If Hezbollah redraws beyond the litany river and the North becomes safe for Israelis to return then Israel achieves most of its war objectives.


No GAZA was mentioned

Mille:
Looks like a ceasefire in Lebanon is imminent.

Waiting for confirmation tomorrow to see if there are clauses in Gaza in it.

Hezbollah has abandoned Hamas.


GAZA wasn't mentioned in it.


Hezbollah is to move beyond the litany river.


Israel has free hand to do whatever it likes in Lebanon if it feels threatened.