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IMEI:
At least you admitted to this

Let's leave this here , I won't argue religious points on this thread. Maybe some other thread, not this one

Fine with me

IMEI:
Jews were treated better in Muslim Countries than Christian Europe

So much for Muslims being obligated to kill jews

Yeah I agree with that they were treated better but were still inferiors
In year 20 of the Muslim era, or the year 641 CE, Muhammad's successor the Caliph Umar decreed that Jews and Christians should be removed from all but the southern and eastern fringes of Arabia—a decree based one saying of Muhammad: "Let there not be two religions in Arabia". The two populations in question were the Jews of the Khaybar oasis in the north and the Christians of Najran
Jews under Islamic rule were given the status of dhimmi, along with certain other pre-Islamic religious groups.


Persecutions happened but not to the scale of Europe.


Bottom line is the Bible doest have a verse where Christians are told to kill and maltreat Jews or people of other religions, the Quran does.

IMEI:
He didn't betray his people but he killed people who saved his life.

And don't forget, made him an orphan, a refugee, a prisoner, killed many of his family members, tortured him etc

There's no record of Israel killing sinwar's parents. Israel didn't start the 1945 Arab war that made Palestinians refugees.

He became a prisoner because he killed two Jews and four Palestinians he felt where siding with the Jews.

The last two may be true.


Sinwar hates Jews

shoodboi2:
Do you deliberately spell it as "moslem" because you think it is annoying?

Nope I generally don't care about the spelling sometimes I spell it as Muslim other times as moslem.

Sorry if it annoys you I'll spell it correctly from now on.

IMEI:
Go to your Muslim family members let them explain it to you

I won't engage in religious discourse here

The bottom line here is that Muslims are obligated to kill Jews.


Hence the Islamic resistance movement of Hamas, The party of Allah wants to kill Jews.

IMEI:
He should have shown gratitude by betraying his people?

Your posts are usually more intelligent than this, I hope you're holding up well

Betraying OK he didn't become an Israeli agent he became leader of Hamas planned a terrorist attack that killed 1200 Jewish CIVILLIANS and kidnapped hundreds more . Which lead to the death of thousands of Palestinians both Hamas combatants and innocent civilians. Which also lead to his Death.



He didn't betray his people but he killed people who saved his life.

IMEI:
It's not even a Qur'anic verse, it's a Hadith (that's if you even know the difference)

I don't want to turn this into a religious argument

https://www.google.com/amp/s/islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/223275

Follow this link to educate yourself about the Hadith, your problem is ignorance

Hadith are part of Islam. And this hadith isn't weak. It's a sahih.


I know the difference between the hadith and the Quran I have moslem family members.

IMEI:
Well they tried to use it to turn him into an agent

Betty Lahat, the prison system’s intelligence chief at the time, said in a TV documentary that she tried to use that event to recruit him as an agent.
“I said, the state of Israel saved your life,” she said. “I thought I could turn him into one of ours, but he wasn’t interested. He kept talking about the day he would be released. I told him you’re never getting out. He said there’s a date: God knows it.”
There was a date. It was Oct. 18, 2011, when Israel exchanged more than 1,000 Palestinian prisoners for an Israeli soldier held by Hamas, Gilad Shalit. Among those released “

Yes they tried to turn him to an agent. They thought he'll be grateful for saving his life which they had no obligation to. His heart was already stone.


The doctor who saved him is the one u feel pity for he lost was it a nephew or a son to sinwar's OCT 7th attack.

IMEI:
There are only two points that require my attention out of all these you've stated, because all the others all make clear that Hamas' fight is against the Zionist State of israel and Zionism

Secondly, I won't even bother to double check anything you've written there because nothing debunks my points

Now to my response:

1. The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him." (Article 7)


The above is a foretelling of Prophet Muhammad about the end times, when Jesus (Isa) will come back and will lead the Muslims to defeat the anti-Christ (Dajjal). The prophecy states that Jews are waiting for a Messiah and a lot of them will accept the Dajjal(anti-Christ) as such when he shows up, there'll be battles and eventually, Jesus (Isa) will come and lead the Muslims to victory against them, killing the anti-Christ. It's when that happens, that even rocks and trees will speak.

The Article you quoted is not a command to kill Jews, it's a prophecy of end time events, the actual text is very long and I'm certain Hamas put it there as motivation, seeing it as some sort of promised outcome

2. Claiming negotiations failed because of any provision of a Hamas Charter is false, there's never been negotiations between Hamas and Israel for a Two State Solution, it's always been between the PLO/PA and israel

3. Hamas' Charter is only a response to the Provisions of the Likud Party Charter( founded 1973) which contains thus:

The original 1977 party platform stated that "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."

The 1999 Likud Party platform emphasized the right of settlement:

The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting

The 'Peace & Security' chapter of the 1999 Likud Party platform rejects a Palestinian state:

The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs

This makes clear the rejection of any Palestinian State and even claims a right to Palestinian land and erasure of Palestinians

Note that Likud was formed in 1973 and Hamas in 1987. Today, Likud is in power and the knesset has passed a resolution rejecting the establishment of a Palestinian State

4. Like I stated, Hamas revised it's Charter in 2017 and even removed the 'controversial' Article 7 from it and several others

5. The claim Israel wants peace and Palestinians don't want it is bogus.

You can call me a liar, I don't care, I only speak on what I know

The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."


The above is quite clear it says the day of judgement will not come Until the Moslems fight the Jews and kill them .

Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."


There is nothing in this verse concerning Isa coming. In fact he won't come until you guys have killed the Jews. I did not see any mention of the Dajjal either the verse was clear and explicit.


The HAMAS regards itself the spearhead and the vanguard of the circle of struggle against World Zionism... Islamic groups all over the Arab world should also do the same, since they are best equipped for [b]their future role in the fight against the warmongering Jews[/b]


It is evident that Hamas is following the tenets of Islam.


One of which is killing Jews.


Zionism is just an excuse. Because of world Zionism let's kill all the Jews in the world.

IMEI:
I'm curious as to whether Sinwar being treated for his brain tumor had anything to do with Gilad Shalit's captivity

Hamas insisted that Sinwar be among those released in exchange for Shalit and allowing him to die without surgery, would have definitely jeopardized an exchange deal

Note that Sinwar was released in the Gilad Shalit deal, so I strongly doubt that the treatment he received was out of the goodness of the heart of the Israelis

Moreover, some of the freed captives of October 7 made it clear after being released that, Sinwar personally addressed them in Hebrew and ordered they be well taken care of, which many of them said they were, so i doubt he hates jews

Sinwar was released 2011 he was treated in the early 2000s.

It wasn't related.

obedience4:
Stop wasting your time,
A simple glance at the dictum and manifestos of these terror groups in the Middle East you will find one thing is similar about them. And that is the total annihilation of the Jewish state.

Some people here either truly don't know or pretend not to know or worst still know but don't care.

Alamkir:
I heard yahaya Sinwar was in isreali prison for more than 20 years, 23 years precisely, he came out 13 years ago and take up arms against Israel immediately. Hero

I heard while he was in the Jewish prison he had a terminal illness and was treated at a Jewish hospital by Jewish doctor


When Israel saved Yahya Sinwar's life
Ironically, Israel had put a target on a man whom it had once saved from certain death. In the early 2000s, while in prison, Sinwar began experiencing headaches and blurred vision, as per a Bloomberg report that narrates the interesting episode in his life. He was taken to the Soroka Medical Center in Beersheba where a surgeon removed a brain tumor, saving his life.


There's a whole documentary on this Sinwars word to the doctor is I own you my life.

The doctor's son was killed on Oct 7th

IMEI:
1.Hamas' founding charter doesn't state all Jews should be killed, it states that they're committed to the destruction of the Zionist State as they refer to it

2. There are videos on YouTube of Ahmad Yassin Hamas' founder, clearly stating that their fight isn't against Jews or Judaism, because in his own words "they're a people of religion like us", rather their fight is against the oppressive Zionist State

3. Hamas amended it's Charter in 2017 to include accepting a Palestinian State side by side with the Zionist State, inline with the Internationally recognized 1967 borders. So Hamas in 2017 made the recognition of israel a formal stance, on condition of a Palestinian State

4. If your last paragraph is a reference to the Qur'an, please quote the verse, it's citation (i.e. what Chapter and verse) and let's analyze it

I don't want to call you a liar maybe you are or maybe you're just ignorant. Let me help you.


The Hamas Covenant

The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement was issued on August 18, 1988. The Islamic Resistance Movement, also known as the HAMAS, is an extremist fundamentalist Islamic organization operating in the territories under Israeli control. Its Covenant is a comprehensive manifesto comprised of 36 separate articles, all of which promote the basic HAMAS goal of destroying the State of Israel through Jihad (Islamic Holy War). The following are excerpts of the HAMAS Covenant:​​​​​​​​​​​​​

​Goals of the HAMAS:
​"The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine." (Article 6)



On the destruction of Israel:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (Preamble)
( yeah the destruction of Israel by ISLAM)
Note: this is not a religious war.


The exclusive Moslem nature of the area:

"The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession] consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it." (Article 11)

"Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem wherever he may be." (Article 13)



The call to jihad:

"The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised." (Article 15)

"Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the call of duty, loudly proclaiming: 'Hail to Jihad!'. This cry will reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah's victory comes about." (Article 33)



Rejection of a negotiated peace settlement: Like they have always done. But it's Israel that doesn't want the two state solution.

"[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility." (Article 13)



Condemnation of the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty:

"Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle [against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle. ...Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act." (Article 32)



Anti-Semitic incitement:

The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him." (Article 7)


You said Hamas' founding charter doesn't state all Jews should be killed, please explain the above.

"The enemies have been scheming for a long time ... and have accumulated huge and influential material wealth. With their money, they took control of the world media... With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the globe... They stood behind the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the revolutions we hear about... With their money they formed secret organizations - such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs and the Lions - which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy societies and carry out Zionist interests... They stood behind World War I ... and formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains... There is no war going on anywhere without them having their finger in it." (Article 22)

"Zionism scheming has no end, and after Palestine, they will covet expansion from the Nile to the Euphrates River. When they have finished digesting the area on which they have laid their hand, they will look forward to more expansion. Their scheme has been laid out in the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion'." (Article 32)

"The HAMAS regards itself the spearhead and the vanguard of the circle of struggle against World Zionism... Islamic groups all over the Arab world should also do the same, since they are best equipped for their future role in the fight against the warmongering Jews." (Article 32)
Now from the revised charter

. There shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist entity. Whatever has befallen the land of Palestine in terms of occupation, settlement building, judaisation or changes to its features or falsification of facts is illegitimate. Rights never lapse.

20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.


Now the bolded is what spoilt previous negotiations because then Palestinians can live within Israel . You get.


On your last bit this is a political not a religious thread.

Use the quranic references in my post.

IMEI:
They follow the principles of Islam

Is killing Jews part of the principles of Islam.


Since in the Hamas founding charter the Death of all Jews is part of it.


They took kill the Jews where ever you may find them literally isn't it.

Masterviolence:
There are Koreans in Ukraine.
But they're not involved in combat operations.

Okay what are they doing? Are they acting as advisors or technicians to the Russians ?

Vic2023:

[🖼 Khalil Al-Hayya: The Islamic Resistance Movement Hamas mourns the martyr leader Yahya Sinwar to the Arab and Islamic nations


Khalil Al-Hayya: The Islamic Resistance Movement Hamas mourns the martyr leader Yahya Sinwar to the Arab and Islamic nations



Al-Hayya: Commander Sinwar ascended as a heroic martyr, fighting and confronting the occupation army until the last moment of his life.


Khalil Al-Hayya: Hamas mourns to our Palestinian people, our nation, and the free people of the world the martyr Yahya Sinwar, head of the political bureau of Hamas

Khalil Al-Hayya: We mourn the leader of the Battle of the Flood of Al-Aqsa and the head of the political bureau of the Hamas Movement, leader Yahya Sinwar


Al-Hayya: The martyred leader Al-Sinwar defeated the jailer and continued his giving and struggle after his release from prison until he received the most honorable medal and position as a witness and martyr.


[🖼 Al-Hayya: The martyrdom of Yahya Sinwar will only increase the strength and resilience of our movement and resistance.

A movement that offers its leaders and sons as martyrs is a movement rooted in its people, striving to achieve its goals.

These Israeli prisoners will not return to you except with a complete withdrawal from Gaza, stopping the aggression, and liberating the prisoners. We are continuing with Hamas’ approach.]


Al-Hayya: The martyrdom of Yahya Sinwar will only increase the strength and resilience of our movement and resistance.

A movement that offers its leaders and sons as martyrs is a movement rooted in its people, striving to achieve its goals.

These Israeli prisoners will not return to you except with a complete withdrawal from Gaza, stopping the aggression, and liberating the prisoners. We are continuing with Hamas’ approach

Al Hayya:

Your banner, O Abu Ibrahim, will not fall.

Why is Hamas called the Islamic resistance movement?

Ghostagain:
So you were aware that Zelensky said it first but pretended you weren't by quoting a paper published today and making it look like I said you were "quoting Zelensky" out of ignorance... You are just too dubious... You're an original crook.

Who wants to discuss with a compulsive liar like you ? There are things to say about south Korea's parroting of Zelensky but, you can't be part of the conversation, you are too much of a bad faith actor.

My man everything you're saying now is assumptions.


And how did I pretend as if I'm not aware Zelensky said it first?


And how did you know I did not make that post based on the paper published today?


You felt I was quoting Zelensky when I wasn't .


Your fragile ego seems hurt because you happen to be wrong.


Where was the lie I told since I'm a dubious liar.


My man sorry about your bruised ego.

This is a faceless forum there is no shame in admitting that you where wrong.

Ghostagain:
You are quoting a paper which was published today, while you pretend Zelensky didn't say this very same thing days ago and as if NATO didn't say it were unsubstantiated as soon as Zelensky spewed it.

You should spend more time growing more brain cells than trying to gaslight.

I'm quoting a paper that was published today anything wrong with that?
Zelensky said it. I saw that I didn't say anything about that because as you said NATO said it was unsubstantiated.


Now South Korea's spy agency says the same thing and I ask for confirmation.


I did not follow what Zelensky said even though I am aware of that.

Stop acting foolish and use the brain cells you have.

Ghostagain:
😓
I guess whatever Zelensky says is what you believe with passion.

Now the real rumour is that some nafo guys might have more than 2 brain cells, any confirmation?

It was South Korea spy agency that said it.


You should spend more time on Research than throwing insults
https://aje.io/dlrky7

HelloHelloagain:
The Jews in Europe that ran to Judea did not face half of what ibo Jews have faced in Nigeria

Igbo people are not Jews.


That's being said the igbos really suffered and despite that managed to rise up.

So it seems like North Korea are actually going to put boots on ground in aid of Russia agaisnt Ukraine.

Any confirmation on this?

Vic2023:
I'm not sorry to say this, you are mad!

Don't be sorry that's how you are thrown insults when you can't find facts to back your claim.

Vic2023:
@the bold text
This is the answer for it, hope your eyes don clear

Again wrong let me show you how to provide evidence.

The daytime rescue operation, which took weeks of planning, caught militants holding hostages in two different buildings in a densely packed civilian area off guard. It appeared to have been carried out by Israeli forces using non-military vehicles, including a white Mercedes van, according to eyewitnesses, whose accounts tallied with videos analyzed by CNN. Eyewitnesses also said that they saw Israeli forces in disguise – dressed as Hamas fighters or civilians.

They were dressed in military uniforms like resistance fighters, carrying helmets and wearing signs of the [Hamas] resistance, giving the impression to people that they were resistance fighters, but in reality, they were an Israeli special forces unit,” Khalil Al Tirawi, a local resident, told CNN.


CNN cannot independently verify either side’s figures. Gaza’s health ministry does not distinguish between civilians and militants

Hamas said 270 people were killed Israel says less than a 100 people were killed.



Plus israel went in to rescue the hostages Hamas kidnapped they did go to start killing anyone they saw

Vic2023:
do you still need links?

Sure

Vic2023:
millions? Pls go and take your medicine 💊💊💊💊💉💉💉💉💉

Una nor go fight who talk am. Na Una mentor lord and personal Savior chief propagandist his Emminece WrriterNg talk am

Vic2023:
this is one proof

CNN cannot independently confirm the Gaza government’s numbers due to the lack of international media access to the strip.

I got that from your proof.


Israel also denied any wrong doing


I will be convinced when I see video proof.



Israel has done some wrong doings in this war. Like the Palestinian prisoner that was sexually assaulted. By the way some of those soldiers are still in jail.

Bring video evidence. It's more convincing.

Ghostagain:
Killing soldiers in a war is not the same thing as committing a genocide.

Ask WrriterNg


Ukraine's first lady posted a few days ago that over 300,000 soldiers were injured in the war. You can imagine how many were killed.

Let's not even get to the civilian casualties, it's already in the millions.

Nor be me talk am.

WrriterNg:
Ukraine's first lady posted a few days ago that over 300,000 soldiers were injured in the war. You can imagine how many were killed.

Let's not even get to the civilian casualties, it's already in the millions.

Wait so Russia has killed millions of Ukrainian civilians. I don't hear anyone screaming genocide

usmanpogo:
Dude, perhaps you can name my comrades ?

Perhaps by comrades in this context you meant my fellow country men. Then you're my comrade too.

As long as your allegiance is to the Federal Republic of Nigeria, you're my comrade.

I'm neither Russian nor American, so NO, I don't have a dog in this fight.

Okay I believe you.

Vic2023:
I have proof for these,so you permit me to bring it?

You don't need my permission.

You can bring your proof.

jjj37:
You lack empathy and the ability to tell the simple truth despite all glaring evidence and available common sense. May the God that sees our heart, who reward not like man but as himself, reward you according to your beliefs & thoughts

Don't be emotional since the truth is so simple piont out my lies.

jjj37:
Since Isreal is a better and well equipped side, it should've embarked on a special military operation (no matter the years it will take) to flush out the system of whatever problem gaza has brought to them rather than embarke/declare an all out war on the people of gaza. Bombing indiscriminately is never good option to any rationale actor.

#Imagine Nigeria army going to Imo or anambra state to fight ipob boys, bombing indiscriminately because ipob boys is living among the populace, same with bokoharam in the north. If the hamas guys were isrealis insurgents living in israel, can they sincerely adopt this method in fighting thier people?

If they were Israeli insurgents in Israel like in Gaza the IDF WILL URGE CIVILLIANS TO EVACUATE LIKE IT DID IN GAZA. Anyone who stays has his blood on his head.


The IDF dropped flyers sent text messages to Palestinians urging them to evacuate.


You forget hamas has built terror tunnels that if the IDF attempts to enter will be catastrophic for them because they don't know this tunnels. They even tried flooding the tunnels that didn't work. The only solution is blowing up this tunnels and yes as we all know this tunnels go under schools hospital people's houses.


This people bobby traps houses.

Being the better and more equip sides doest stop you from getting killed.

Hamas operatives also wears CIVILLIAN clothing .

Now Hamas had over 300 hostages including a baby less than a year old israel can't leave them “for no matter how many years it will take ”


Hamas themselves have sworn to repeat Oct 7th again and again.


Before next year February the war in Gaza will be over the remaining hostages dead or alive will be found.