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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 5:20pm On Jun 21, 2023
BlueRayDick:
Yes I do.

I believe the IT being offered in Covenant and UNIVEN are the same because they use the same curriculum as approved by NUC .

I also believe the Covenant student has access to well equipped Library where he can carry out personal research after class. The UNIBEN student can also carry out his own personal research albeit under a different condition entirely.

In the long run I believe if both students pass their exams and graduate in good grades they can offer the same knowledge to their would-be employers .

I believe I’ve answered ur question.
Having the same curriculum doesn't mean you have the same content.
The difference is what covenant builds upon and offers in their courses compared to government universities.
The curriculum is the foundation, each uni is meant to build on that hence where the difference lies.

This is outside better libraries, better learning conditions which include less tired lecturers who are subjected to checks and balances alot more than government uni lecturers.
No strikes to derail you.
Better security which leads to safer learning environment.


Wooh I've tried and it's okay to have your view point.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 5:03pm On Jun 21, 2023
larride:
Bro my school was run like a private uni, we have 6 different campuses so that each campus is not overcrowded.

Like I said in that post, the difference is in infrastructure and having more lecturers than we do.

As for knowledge acquired in the University, you dey whine yourself.
Lmao okay boss.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 5:03pm On Jun 21, 2023
BlueRayDick:
He doesn’t process information like most graduates would; basic processes need to be explained to him over and over again . Sometimes he will make u wonder if he indeed attended a university where he was expected to be independent and learn to apply well thought-out solution to problems .

It’s difficult to explain , but he left much to be desired about him as a graduate
Lool
This is a basic human flaw.
Are there not people in government universities like this? 😁
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 4:56pm On Jun 21, 2023
BlueRayDick:
The question is; is the accountancy being offered at OAU different from Accountancy being offered at Babcock ?

Do u believe the curriculum approved by NUC for OAU is different from that of Babcock ?

Please answer on a postcard
Do you believe the IT offered in covenant is the same with what is offered in uniben?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 4:55pm On Jun 21, 2023
BlueRayDick:
Even the exposure sef is relative .

During NYSC where I served , the less exposed guy in our midst was a graduate of Novena University , a private in Delta state . A lady who studied Yoruba education for TASUED in our midst was more exposed and knowledgeable than him.
In what way was she more exposed than the guy?
Knowledge base or you talking about life (sense)
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 4:53pm On Jun 21, 2023
larride:
The experience and quality of education defer. You went to a private university, you surely cannot comprehend some of the things those that attended federal or some state universities face.

Thankfully the state uni I went to dont usually admit alot of students yearly, for example in my faculty management science, Accounting (my set) had the highest intake and we were around 110 or so, banking and finance was 40+, I'm not even sure if Business administration was up to 40. So I cant really relate with alot of those that went to public uni and attend class in a crowded hall because for 90% of the time I was in Uni, my experience wasn't so except for the GNS and French lectures that we have combined class.

We had lecturers that were teaching 3 or more departments which most times make some of them miss classes due to exhaustion. Our own department lecturer were not even up to 5, we share the rest with Banking n Finance.

When I was President of my department and went to Redeemers Uni to talk to their own Accounting department President, I realise that we are lagging behind a lot. While their own association chapter was recognized by ICAN, ACCA and the likes and they attend their conferences and all, we have no such privileges. Infact the seminar that I held while I was President and invited the then ICAN President, he didnt come and sent Osun State Chapter Chairman for the event.

They (Redeemers) also had many lecturers compared to us, they also have relaxation areas, sporting complex, a big library that makes ours (That we usually use to make mouth) looks like a joke.

All these are part of what differentiate the experiences that those that attended my school and Redeemers uni will get.
Larride this is what you typed just today.
So I dont understand this whining.

I don't understand how 1st class students passing ICAN is supposed to be a shocking thing or them getting employment.
Would you like to compare the benefits of your students to what 1st class graduates from say Covenant will have especially across board.
The problem is we don't have someone from these schools to properly talk about the opportunities they have available.

I have never said there are no intelligent people in government unis but I stand by my point that the Gulf is consistently getting wider especially when you leave it at just your knowledge acquired in university alone.


That isn't hard to understand surely
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 4:46pm On Jun 21, 2023
BlueRayDick:
They both learnt based on the same curriculum as approved by NUC . Excerpt u are saying Lecturers in private universities go out of the approved curriculum and teach something extra .

Is that what u are alluding ?
I have a question for you.
There's a course called energy and Petroleum studies offered by a private university in Delta state. But it's not in any other university.

It is NUC approved.


Universities are allowed to build on the existing structure. You just need to apply and have the NUC approve after carrying out their investigations.
That is what differentiates the private universities from the government universities in that situation.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 4:32pm On Jun 21, 2023
BlueRayDick:
🤣🤣🤣

Funny guy . U made a bold claim and u were asked to show workings u no fit .

End of discussion .
Nawa ooo.
You've been making claims and nobody has asked you for data because the data nor dey for naija.
But you wan take advantage of am to further your own point.

Oya I am asking you to also prove your point with reasonable data.
Or do you not have data to prove your point?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 4:29pm On Jun 21, 2023
BlueRayDick:
Do U think the curriculum of private universities is different from public universities ?

U know it’s the same NUC that approves the curriculum of all universities in Nigeria right ?
You have not answered the question.
A private uni student in IT and a government uni student in IT,
Who do you think is better equipped on the strength of what they were taught in university?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 4:28pm On Jun 21, 2023
BlueRayDick:
My argument ? I was faulting ur false claim . U made a claim with no leg to stand on.

More like ur personal thoughts I are presenting as facts
You actually have always believed that there's no difference between both in terms of knowledge.
I believe there is. Asking me to prove that with data is fine for you but me asking you to support your argument with data is an issue?
Your personal thoughts and experiences have been what you've used to make your case.

Abi na lie?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 4:27pm On Jun 21, 2023
Since we want to be posting school fees to prove a point.
For entry level into a government university 👍

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 4:24pm On Jun 21, 2023
BlueRayDick:
I will recruit the one that demonstrates he possesses the skills and experience required for the job. I will not base my judgement on what school the candidate attended .

It’s only a foooolish HR that will first consider the school a candidate attended instead of the skills he demonstrated at the interview/assessment center .

Go to big 4’s like KPMG, PWC, EY and Delloite …. U will meet a mix of private and public university graduates working in different capacities . Everybody had equal chance of getting in irrespective of their educational background.

As for me requesting for data , I knew u won’t find any; just a case of “ Trust me bro, I no fit lie give u “
Oga I was specific when I said beginner role.
What you are saying is the IT student in government school will have to undergo alot more personal training to bridge the gap in knowledge as against the government student.

Again.
On the strength of what both students learnt from their curriculum in universities, which do you think is better equipped to get employed?
That was the question coz we are focusing on what both learnt in their respective institutions.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 4:20pm On Jun 21, 2023
BlueRayDick:
I will recruit the one that demonstrates he possesses the skills and experience required for the job. I will not base my judgement on what school the candidate attended .

It’s only a foooolish HR that will first consider the school a candidate attended instead of the skills he demonstrated at the interview/assessment center .

Go to big 4’s like KPMG, PWC, EY and Delloite …. U will meet a mix of private and public university graduates working in different capacities . Everybody had equal chance of getting in irrespective of their educational background.

As for me requesting for data , I knew u won’t find any; just a case of “ Trust me bro, I no fit lie give u “
Nigeria doesn't do data abi na lie?
It's the same way you can't give me reasonable data to support your argument.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 4:05pm On Jun 21, 2023
GrammarNazi1:
In many private secondary schools, teachers are told that students MUST get a good mark from the possible 30 marks of assessment tests though teachers should not influence the 70 marks of the real examinations.

I learnt that this will enable the promotion to the next class of most students since I learnt if the students failed despite the huge schools fees, parents would take away their children to another school.

I don't know if a thing like this happens in private universities, but if it does I won't be surprised at the pseudo quality service of these private universities.
Oga I don't know of any private university that they do that in.
Not 1 that I've heard off.

This is how people said the 1st class in private universities are lesser than that of government unis till the gap in knowledge base starts to show especially among the less intelligent students
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 4:03pm On Jun 21, 2023
BlueRayDick:
My friend, u will need to back this assertion up with verifiable data.
What data do you have to show both graduates are the same?

Coz you need to take into consideration the numbers of graduates coming out from government universities against those coming out from private.

Meaning you'll have higher count of dullards from government unis that private.
Same way you'll have a higher number of intelligent students from government unis vs private.

Now the question is what is available to both?
If today you want to hire for a beginner role in IT, which do you think will have a broader and more updated knowledge from the amenities and curriculum they are taught with?
Private or government student?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 3:29pm On Jun 21, 2023
Please no offence to government graduates but private university students are mostly better finished products on average.
That you have outliers doesn't change that reality.

Thing is recruitment companies also take that into account when shortlisting but when it comes to base knowledge in most cases the private uni student will be ahead just from what they learnt in uni.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 2:43pm On Jun 21, 2023
larride:
At least 200k
With everything you experienced. 200k?

Okay oo
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 2:42pm On Jun 21, 2023
akwesenana:
Well, value of education varies with each school.


There is subsidy in Federal secondary schools sha. I can't remember paying anything close to what my friends in private sec. schools but there was no gulf in education between us, whether in facilities or quality of teachers.
Larride this is it.
It's why I cannot argue for secondary and primary schools
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 2:12pm On Jun 21, 2023
akwesenana:
I think what he means is if your tertiary education was subsidized, it should be at the same level as that of Redeemers at a lower cost.


Personally, I feel Federal Varsities offer value for the fees paid. Atleast Uniuyo.
Thank you.
But now I want to know what he thinks the value of the education he received is actually worth.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 2:09pm On Jun 21, 2023
larride:
It is subsidized because it's still the govt funding the schools which is why the tuition is low and can't give us what we deserve. The standard of education in the public uni is not the same with private uni.

In the breakdown of our fees, tuition is 45k, it was all other fees that add up to make it 95k.

All the money I paid for my 4yrs to study Accounting is not up to the money someone in Redeemers University pay in a year to study the same Accounting.
Lets do this.
What do you think your experience in university will actually be worth.
Lets assume it is subsidised.
What would do you think your fees will be with everything you experienced?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 1:27pm On Jun 21, 2023
nihilistjnr:
Then why don't you wait for the school to update their site before you start arguing?

How can you be arguing about school fees that the school has not published?

Is there no expectation that the discussion has to be fact-based at the very least?
Huh.. A student is saying what is part of the fees.
So if you speak to a uniben student today and he says their fees has gone up and the school site in a government school in Nigeria hasn't updated it yet, would you then call him a liar?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 1:25pm On Jun 21, 2023
larride:
The experience and quality of education defer. You went to a private university, you surely cannot comprehend some of the things those that attended federal or some state universities face.

Thankfully the state uni I went to dont usually admit alot of students yearly, for example in my faculty management science, Accounting (my set) had the highest intake and we were around 110 or so, banking and finance was 40+, I'm not even sure if Business administration was up to 40. So I cant really relate with alot of those that went to public uni and attend class in a crowded hall because for 90% of the time I was in Uni, my experience wasn't so except for the GNS and French lectures that we have combined class.

We had lecturers that were teaching 3 or more departments which most times make some of them miss classes due to exhaustion. Our own department lecturer were not even up to 5, we share the rest with Banking n Finance.

When I was President of my department and went to Redeemers Uni to talk to their own Accounting department President, I realise that we are lagging behind a lot. While their own association chapter was recognized by ICAN, ACCA and the likes and they attend their conferences and all, we have no such privileges. Infact the seminar that I held while I was President and invited the then ICAN President, he didnt come and sent Osun State Chapter Chairman for the event.

They (Redeemers) also had many lecturers compared to us, they also have relaxation areas, sporting complex, a big library that makes ours (That we usually use to make mouth) looks like a joke.

All these are part of what differentiate the experiences that those that attended my school and Redeemers uni will get.
You are further making my point for me.
You have even broken it down even more.

So again what you people paid for in government universities is exactly what you got.
From the type of lecturers you had to the way you were taught to the living conditions..
Which is why I'm asking how that is subsidised. When the Gulf between "non-subsidised" education is so much more different.

That it is cheap doesn't mean it is subsidised. Because value=Amount paid
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 12:48pm On Jun 21, 2023
larride:
This is for 200 level.

And yes, it's still subsidized.

Go and check how much Private Uni are charging and then compare.

Funny enough. From 300-600l pays lower than 200 level students which means they have different fees for 100l, 200l and from 300l upwards.
This is where we differ.
I do not believe it is because the experience is not the same with what you get from private universities.
Or would you say it is?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 12:46pm On Jun 21, 2023
nihilistjnr:
If they check the AAU website, they will see that the tuition fees for 100l nursing students for 2022/23 is actually not listed.

There's an acceptance fee of 70k listed for 100l nursing students, but no tuition fees.
Lmao.. You should use the Internet more to check for fees.
There are times schools will not quickly update their sites for information but that information is already circulating in student whatsapp groups.
I say this as someone that went to a private university.
So what more a government school.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 12:43pm On Jun 21, 2023
nihilistjnr:
Prosper try dey validate things before you post am here. It's a lot harder to have a reasoned discussion when the subject matter appears to be distorted, misrepresented, or false.

I'm not saying you post false information here o. I'm just saying maybe undertaking some due diligence before you post might be in order.
I'm abit confused.

We've all made mistakes and the one thing I always do when called out is to either accept I made a mistake or bring further proof.

Nor be when person post wetin be lie, them show am say wetin you post na lie and e still dey argue say nor be lie even without any supporting evidence nai you go give such advice?

Also my guy how come you nor dey give apc guys this particular advice?

If we check in this particular place I've made at the very least 500 posts and let's assume 50 of them have turned out to be false, what happens to the 450 post when you also consider that when larride points out I made a wrong post I almost always agree to it and correct it.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 12:18pm On Jun 21, 2023
larride:
Then they should take it up with the NJC. No be career lawyers full there?
Lmao.. Atleast you accept now that there's external influence.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 12:18pm On Jun 21, 2023
larride:
2022/2023 is there, check for yourself.
I know.
300k for 200 level.
Do you still think it's subsidised?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 12:13pm On Jun 21, 2023
larride:
https://aauekpoma.edu.ng/study-at-aau/tuition-fees/

That's their tuition fees from their website.

Make una dey try confirm news first.
Lmao.. You brought for 2021/2022
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 12:11pm On Jun 21, 2023
larride:
https://aauekpoma.edu.ng/study-at-aau/tuition-fees/

That's their tuition fees from their website.

Make una dey try confirm news first.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 12:04pm On Jun 21, 2023
larride:
Again, state uni charge far higher than federal uni but I refuse to believe a state uni will charge 790k for Medicine unless they have facilities that rival private universities.

And yes, state govt subsidies tertiary education also but not on the level of the federal ones.

I was paying 95k to study Accounting in a State Uni while a friend that went to Redeemers University Ede was paying around 750k to study the same Accounting.
Lmao.. Yunno what.
This isn't hard.

You can easily call anybody you know to find out..
Coz even if I call, how would you know I'm saying the truth?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 12:03pm On Jun 21, 2023
larride:
They were fast tracked by the parents, how? Is it by telling the Governor to make her a judge or by influencing the NJC to recommend her?

Most times the President/Governor approves and appoint whoever the NJC recommends.
Lmao.. Larride again you should speak to lawyers about appointments of judges so they give you gist.

The children of big men especially those with parents who are judges and what not will have their names sent to the NJC who ask the governor or president. By the time the slots are filled up, na the common lawyers wey dey extremely good especially in top law firms go get the remaining spots.



If I come across that convo again, I'll share the link.



Honestly law in Nigeria as a career is too much of a risk.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 11:55am On Jun 21, 2023
larride:
You do know theres a difference between Fed and State University right?

Moreover I don't believe this sha unless theres a way to confirm it. I doubt state uni charge this much.
It's easy.
Na Ekpoma student post am for twitter.

You can ask Segedinho to call Ekpoma people to confirm

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