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Ubenedictus:
all christians have communion with each other, we are all members of one body, 1 cor 12:12 to 27, that is the communion of saintts. It seems u dont know what the communion of saints is all about.

Is that what they tell you "communion of saints" in your creed mean?

Ubenedictus:
u complain abt d catholic creed, i gave u a catholic creed and u cant even condemn a single point in itt, u instead prefer to bring accusation..


U complained abt d creed and d above is nott a creed. When u have time to learn what a creed is u can call me back

* "communion of saints" as you say is a form of spiritualism.
How do you pray to saints that are dead?
Anything that communes with the dead is transgressing the law of God and going through a devil!

* Also, when Our Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross, (if you check the word of God), the veils of the temple was rent in twain, thus meaning that we could approach the throne of God directly.

* Also, Saints are dead, they are in the presence of God.
There's no mediator between God and man but Jesus Christ.

- Praying through Paul,Mary etc, is not correct.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, For there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity--the man Christ Jesus. There is one God.


[size=14pt]However if you can show me in the bible, communion of saints, I'll believe you![/size]

dukum:
Truly u are ignorant,been observing your post and trying to avoid this but what the hell,no catholic believes in tree gods.drop ur know it all attitude and get your facts right, if u truly want to have a meaningful discussion (obviously it seems like u want to say u know better and your words are absolute).

I don't know it all. I am basing everything on the bible they say they wrote.
And to emphasize, baptizing with titles is just as if you are not baptized.

Let me shock you more.
Marriages done based with the titles are not even marriages.

Let me break it down my friend.
Let's use someone popular, say Buhari.

Buhari has a wife, and she calls him her HUSBAND
Buhari has a daughter, and she call him FATHER
Buhari is the presiding over a country, and we call him PRESIDENT.

Now tell me, do you or I have the right to Buhari as our HUSBAND or FATHER? NO! But he is the PRESIDENT to us.

Does ZAHRA have the right to him as a HUSBAND? no! But he is her FATHER.

But watch he is the very same person. But manifesting in 3 offices and not 3 different people.
Just as I said.

To summarize, all I am saying is that the titles you cling onto, is nothing without the NAME.
So the name (and not names) of the Father, Son , Holy Ghost is Our Lord Jesus Christ.


Well, if you don't believe, I wouldn't force you. I am just pointing out the holes.

Peritus:
This you said is true, but the three offices or manifestations of one God are employed in baptism. That portion of the Bible did not say, "baptize in the name of the father or the son or the spirit"

What I am meaning to do is to let my friends know that there is only 1 God and not 3 as they believe. Nothing like trinity.

gemale:
Guy ur reasoning ehn! what is a title if nt a name? Dey can b used interchangeably. If u r waiting 4 d name trinity in d bible, it doesnt appear bt its meaning is contained dere.

What I am telling you is that there are no 3 gods, but 1 God operating in 3 offices.

Should I explain more?

gemale:
Go & read d great commision by Jesus according 2 d gospel of saint matthew "go ye in2 d world & make disciples of all nations;baptizing dem IN D NAME OF D FATHER AND OF D SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT (D Holy Trinity)".

Those are titles and not names.
Okay O! Show me ONE person baptized in that in the bible. I'll stop and believe you!

If you can't. well, I'll still be waiting.

Ubenedictus:
ill give u an example of a creed.
d word creed come form the latin credo, ie i belive, it contain a summary of beliefs
below is a catholic creed
I believe in God the father almighty maker of heaven and earth, i believe in Jesus christ his only son our lord who was concieved by d power of d holyspirit born of d virgin mary suffered under pontius pilate was crucified died and was buried, decended into hades the 3rd day he rose again from the dead he ascended into heaven sitted at d right hand of God d fada almighty from whence he shall come to judge d living and d dead, i believe in the holy spirit, the holy catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins the ressurrection of the bodyy and lifee everlasting



Dat is a catholic creed, if u dont know what a creed is go and learn.

Haba! Don't you believe these as well:

1. THE VIRGIN MARY AS CO-REDEMPTRIX, MEDIATRIX AND ADVOCATE

2. THREE gods

3. Baptism in titles and not a Name.

ANSWER my questions too.

Show me a single person baptized based on the trintarian doctrine in the bible!!

I am still waiting! Weeks have passed!

eaglejay13:
If you don't understand this simple explanation, then you're not yet ready for the truth, neither are you ready to be a good Christian

Please leave that talk. Show me any person that was baptized based on trinitarian doctrine in the bible, I will believe you!
Stop trying to connect different things to make it mean what you want.

Ubenedictus:
That is not a creed. when u learn what a creed is then i will know u are serious abt a discussion

Hahaha! Okay, since you deny all I have said as being your own doctrines and all, tell me your creed, let me still prove it wrong based on the bible.

Ubenedictus:
That is not a creed. when u learn what a creed is then i will know u are serious abt a discussion

Answer my own questions.

If you can't answer say so.

eaglejay13:
Jesus Himself was baptized based in trinitarian doctrine. As He was being baptized in the river Jordan, the Holy Spirit came down on His Head in the form of a dove, and the voice of the Father was heard from above "This is My Son, in whom I am well pleased".

How does that translate to him baptized based on trinitarian doctrine?

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Ubenedictus:
Mariner, is dat the creed?

One of many. Please, answer my own questions.

Ubenedictus:
SO u are back to diverting! all u nid to do is paste d creed and show us d unbiblical part. if u cant do that after claiming d catholic creed is bogus, then u arent ready for a honest discussion and cant substatiate ur claim.

Also,

Catholics believe that Mary is a mediator right? As per she intercedes for you? I believe this is one of your many;

THE VIRGIN MARY AS CO-REDEMPTRIX, MEDIATRIX AND ADVOCATE.

You believe she was the mother of God, right?
You believe she resurrected, as per taken up soul and body into heaven?

I just have to prove to you that Mary is and will never be an advocate or a mediator.

When she actually denied the virgin birth in Luke 2

46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.

47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.

48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.

Now saying that Jesus Christ was the son of Joseph. SMH!

Tell me how can your mediator or advocate deny the Word? When she clearly knew that the child she was bearing was of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus Christ put her right in her place in the next verse:

49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?


How many fathers does Jesus have now? If I go by your trinitarian belief and what your advocate says, hmm He has 3 fathers. i.e God, Holy Spirit and Joseph.

Ubenedictus:
SO u are back to diverting! all u nid to do is paste d creed and show us d unbiblical part. if u cant do that after claiming d catholic creed is bogus, then u arent ready for a honest discussion and cant substatiate ur claim.

You and claims of diversion. I have told you that the way of your water baptism is man-made doctrine. What are you saying again? I have told you to explain where you get the way from and show me an example in the Bible. I will believe you.

P.S I have posted several verses to show you that trinity is wrong. yet you are still asking for pasting?

Show me just [size=14pt]one [/size]person in the bible to be baptized in the names of the Father, Son and HolyGhost.

I drop my pen.

Ubenedictus:
The bible as u have it today was created by d church thu d help of d holyspirit not d oda way round. the church came before d bible.

As I said earlier, explain your water baptism and trinity.

Cause according to the bible which you claim to have written or compiled, your doctrines are not supported. Explain why the book which you have written or compiled does not support your doctrines.

Start with the most common. Trinity and your water baptism.

To make it easy, show me one person. just one person that was baptized based on the "trinitarian" doctrine, then I'll keep quiet.

Thank you.

Ubenedictus:
DAT IS NOT THE CREED, so u dont know d catholic creed and u decided to start attacking it?

Please dear, tell me then.

dukum:
Ok bye!

Please explain.

dukum:
Yea yea......more mumble jumble trying to shy away from the truth,since you agree the church compiled the bible why don't you question why they left out some books afterall they were all inspired by the holy ghost,right? As a Christian If you question the catholic church,question your faith.......if you still don't get this well

Oh!and since you know ur bible so well you don't need to be shown anything i guess.

Get me right o!! I said based on your belief that you compiled the bible, you should not therefore argue with what the Bible says..

As a matter of fact, Catholicism is a big No, and I'll keep questioning it all my life.

Explain where you get your water baptism from. Let's know if it's the same bible we talk about.

Let's look at your water baptism in the first place.

I believe cathoilcs refer to the scripture of Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
[What is the Father’s Name? Son’s Name? Holy Ghost’s Name?]

Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

John 5:43
I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
[If He comes in His Father’s Name, then what is His Name?]

John 10:30
I and my Father are one

John 12:45
And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.

John 14:8-9
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

John 20:27-28
Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Acts 2:38-39
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Acts 8:12
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ , they were baptized, both men and women.

Acts 19:3-6
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism.

Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

[size=13pt]When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus[/size].

And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Ephesians 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Colossians 3:17
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

I John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.



So, why did the disciples baptize in the Name of Jesus when Jesus, Himself, told them to baptize in the Name (not “names”) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost? (Matt 28:19) Did they make a mistake? No! They did exactly as they were instructed.

As you read this article, think about your name. Are you a son? Is your name, “Son”? Are you a mother? Is your name, “Mother”? Of course not, those are simply titles. You have a real name, and so does God.

And there is no such a thing in the Bible as anybody ever being baptized in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost; because there is no such a thing. Father’s no name; and Son’s no name; and Holy Ghost is no name; but the Name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost is the Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is God! He is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

dukum:
The same bible the catholics compiled for u abi? Thats the irony of it all....you already have your beliefs,stick to it....na plenty talk you dey find.

The bible is not a product of the church. That is just like saying that the CREATOR is the product of the CREATION. The Bible is God's Word and not of man.

By the way if catholics compiled the bible I believe they should look at the book they claim to have compiled and believe on that same book. Or is the book an error now?

If they compiled the bible, they should show me one person, just one person that was baptized based on the trinitarian doctrine. i.e Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

The bible was written by men inspired of the Holy Ghost. The acts of apostles were not the acts of men but the acts of the Holy Ghost in men.

Ubenedictus:
The trinity is not the creed, i repeat my previous request, paste d creed and show me d unbiblical parts.

What is trinity then?
Let's talk about that in terms of "Water Baptism".
Which catholics do it based on the trinitarian doctrine.

"But there never was a person ever in all the pages of the Bible, ever baptized in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost. There never was a person baptized in the name of Father, Son, Holy Ghost until the early Catholic church. It's not in the Bible nowhere. And if anybody can find a piece in there, and tell me and show me where one person was baptized using the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost please show me, for I've went through and through and through and through and through it for twenty-some-odd years now. And it's an error. It's a Catholic creed and not a Bible command."

Ubenedictus:
HAHAHA, i already made a request stop diverting me. post d creed and show me d unbiblical part.

That's the most popular of all your man-made creeds. Why don't we start with that. Before we go into the prayers to saints and other what-nots. Should I post bible verses to prove that the "trinity" is false? I believe you said you believe in the bible. So let's make it our common ground, because I believe God is in his Word.

Ubenedictus:
I believe d bible, i have already told u to paste d catholic creed and show us d antibiblical part.

Trinity, first of all is anti-biblical.

Could prove it to you based on the Bible that you believe in.

Ubenedictus:
u mean read up on the lies written about the catholic church.
U can paste d catholic creed here and show us d section that is man made.

We really need to be open-minded. I'm not attacking you.

Okay. A simple question. Do you believe the bible?

The Trinity
The word "trinity" is a term used to denote the so-called Christian doctrine that God exists as a unity of three distinct persons or personalities: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. If this is the case, then which of the three do we worship and which one do we pray to?

You will hear the answer: “Pray to the Father in the Name of the Son.” But then most denominations pray “in the name of the Father, Son, AND Holy Ghost?”

Where’s the truth in all this?

A bit of history:

The “Holy Trinity” was introduced to Christianity by Constantine, a Roman Emperor, in the year 325 AD. Constantine had the appearance of being a Christian because he stopped the mass slaughter of Christians, painted a cross on the shields of his army, and erected a cross on top of St. Sophia’s Church. In reality, he was not a Christian, but a master politician.



Just before a battle with the rival Roman, Maxentius, Constantine had a dream in which he was instructed to paint a cross on the shields of his soldiers. He was against overwhelming odds, being outnumbered two-to-one, but he followed the instructions and won the battle. He saw that there was something special about Christianity, and recognized the prayers of Christians as a powerful ally as emperor.

Constantine, a practicing pagan, hosted the first ecumenical council in Nicaea Rome, AD 325, where he brought Christian sects and pagan idolatry together. The meeting, dubbed the “Nicene Council,” worked out the differences between competing groups of Christianity, joined church and state, and gave power to a universal church. There were primarily two rival Christian factions that Constantine was bringing together. One faction considered Jesus divine. The other considered Jesus a created being, and therefore less than God. After heated arguments and a lot of political wrangling, the result was the agreement that the Son was the true God, co-eternal with the Father, and begotten from the same substance as the Father. This made Jesus “co-equal” with God. The platform was set for the “Holy Trinity” to be accepted by most sects of Christianity.


Here is the first “Nicene Creed” drafted and implemented by the Nicene Council.


We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father [the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God,] Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;

By whom all things were made [both in heaven and on earth];

Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate and was made man;

He suffered, and the third day he rose again, ascended into heaven;

From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

And in the Holy Ghost.

[But those who say: ‘There was a time when he was not;’ and ‘He was not before he was made;’ and ‘He was made out of nothing,’ or ‘He is of another substance’ or ‘essence,’ or ‘The Son of God is created,’ or ‘changeable,’ or ‘alterable’—they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic Church.]

With the newly-given power, the creeds were enforced with the penalty of banishment, torture, and death. Soon, the world plunged into the Dark Ages, where more than 68 million people were killed in the titles of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost (The Glorious Reformation, Schmucker, 1838).



Here is a short explanation of the Godhead from the book, “An Exposition Of The Seven Church Ages,” Chapter 1.


They didn't believe in three Gods in the beginning of the church. You can't find that sort of belief amongst the apostles. It was after the apostolic age that this theory came in and really became an issue and a cardinal doctrine at the Nicene Council. The doctrine of Godhead caused a two way split at Nicaea. And from that split there came two extremes. One actually went into polytheism, believing in three Gods, and the others went into unitarianism. Of course that was a little while in coming about, but it did, and we have it right today. But the Revelation through John by the Spirit to the churches was, "I am the Lord Jesus Christ, and I am ALL of it. There isn't any other God". And He put His seal on this Revelation.

Consider this: Who was the Father of Jesus? Matthew 1:18 says, "She was found with child of the Holy Ghost". But Jesus, Himself, claimed that God was His Father. God the Father and God the Holy Ghost, as we often express these terms, make the Father and the Spirit ONE. Indeed they are, or else Jesus had two Fathers. But notice that Jesus said that He and His Father were One--not two. That makes ONE God.

Since this is historically and Scripturally true, people wonder where the three came from. It became a foundational doctrine at the Nicene Council in 325 A.D. This trinity (an absolutely unscriptural word) was based upon the many gods of Rome. The Romans had many gods to whom they prayed. They also prayed to ancestors as mediators. It was just a step to give new names to old gods, so we have saints to make it more Biblical. Thus, instead of Jupiter, Venice, Mars, etc., we have Paul, Peter, Fatima, Christopher, etc., etc. They could not make their pagan religion work out with just one God, so they split Him up into three, and they made intercessors of the saints as they had made intercessors of their ancestors.

Ever since then people have failed to realize that there is just one God with three offices or manifestations. They know there is one God according to Scripture, but they try to make it the fantastic theory that God is like a bunch of grapes; three persons with the same Divinity shared equally by all. But it plainly says here in Revelation that Jesus is "That Which Is", "That Which Was", and "That Which Is to Come". He is the "Alpha and Omega", which means that He is the "A to Z" or THE ALL OF IT. He is everything--the Almighty. He is the Rose of Sharon, the Lily of the Valley, the Bright and Morning Star, the Righteous Branch, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. He is God, Almighty God. ONE GOD.

I Timothy 3:16 says, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into Glory". This is what the Bible says. It doesn't say a thing about a first or second or third person here. It says God was manifest in flesh. One God. That ONE GOD was manifested in flesh. That ought to settle it. God came in a human form. That didn't make Him ANOTHER GOD. HE WAS GOD, THE SAME GOD. It was a revelation then, and it is a revelation now. One God.

Although “The Holy Trinity” has endured through the ages by the merciless hand of the Catholic Church, it is never mentioned in the Bible and neither was this concept taught anywhere in Scripture. In fact, separating God into three different persons would have gotten you stoned in the Old Testament for breaking the first two Commandments.

Note that the Catholic Church renumbered the Ten Commandments, in essence removing the Second Commandment to line up with the doctrine of the Trinity and worshipping of saints (but that’s another study).

Scripture References

Exodus 20:3
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Exodus 20:4
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image , or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Exodus 20:5
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God , visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Deuteronomy 4:35
Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him .

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Deuteronomy 10:14
Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God , the earth also, with all that therein is.

[Hebrews 1:2 says: Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things , by whom also he made the worlds;]

II Samuel 7:22
Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God: for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

I Kings 8:60
That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else .

Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel .

[“Immanuel” means “God with us.”]

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given : and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father , The Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 37:16
O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone , of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth .

[Hebrews 1:2 says: Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son , whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds ;]

Isaiah 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour .

[Luke 2:11 says: For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord . AND John 4:42 says: and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world .]

Hosea 13:4
Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

Zechariah 14:9
And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one .

Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

[What is the Father’s name? Son’s Name? Holy Ghost’s Name?]

John 1:1 and 1:14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...

14...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 5:43
I am come in my Father's name , and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

[If He comes in His Father’s Name, then what is His Name?]

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

John 12:45
And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.

John 14:8-9
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father ; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God .

[Thomas was speaking to Jesus]

Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood .

[Were we saved by the blood of the Holy Ghost or the blood of Jesus?]

Ephesians 4:5
One Lord , one faith, one baptism,

Colossians 1:12-20
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood , even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God , the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him :

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell ;

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Colossians 2:8-10
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily .

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

I Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh , justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Hebrews 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person , and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

I John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one .

Culled from [url]branham.org/biblestudy/thetrinity[/url]

craziebone:
it seems you don't even know your history enough. The council of Nicea was not in the year AD33. It was inm the year AD325. You can look up this info on google and if you discover your mistake, then i want you to be sure that all the other assertions you made here are wrong too.

Sorry, meant AD325. Don't know why I got AD33 stuck in my head

Beast

yetseyi:
I need to ask some questions please about what i have observed about the catholic faith that makes me feel they are not following what the bible says.

1. Praying through/ with the rosary ; is it biblical

2. praying in front of those images (I really dont know if they are praying to them but i have seen people kneel in front of them to pray). I feel its idolatry.

3. Praying through saints e.g st Jude or better still saints should intercede for us. I once heared that in a catholic church I thought Jesus was our only mediator according to the bible.

4. why are people almost always being referred to historical books of the catholic church/books apart from the bible when trying to establish facts. I felt the bible is the final authority in all matters of faith and conduct.


I have asked these questions in the past fromcatholics and their answers mostly go in the same vein.....Saying how it is in a creed/ some courses/classes they attended or how some books other than the bible have said somethings about it or tellingme the history of how the catholic church became etc. Just a clear answer please.


I have never been a catholic though I ve attended mass before (they made it compulsory in my primary school) and I dont have any intention of being one.



I just need to know how the above relates to christainity, I am curious.
I need concrete answers please

Catholicism is an organized religion as I said earlier on. It all began in AD33 at the NICAEA COUNCIL, in Rome.
All they do is man-made.
No foundation in the bible.
Catholics claim to believe what the "church" says and not the Bible.

If you ask me, how can the Word be separated from the Author? If they truly believe in Jesus Christ, the Bible should always be their reference point and not some book or what their dogmas and creeds say.

Hello ihebrooke.
Can a Four bedroom bungalow + a garage fit onto a 500 metre square land?
Will it have enough space for a lawn and pool?

Thanks

Ubenedictus:
hahaha really.

Yes, Really.
Do some home work.

Twenty four hours after one of the helicopter in the fleet of Bristow Helicopters carrying eleven people on board including nine passengers and two crews was ditched into the Atlantic Ocean around Lagos, the Nigerian Civil Aviation Authority (NCAA) has suspended the operations of Bristow Helicopters till further notice.

Announcing the suspension some minutes ago, the director general of the NCAA, Captain Usman Mukthar, attributed the suspension to the incessant records of air mishaps that the company has witnessed in the recent past.

The suspension according to the DG is to enable the regulatory body and the Accident Investigation Bureau (AIB) to carry out a detailed audit on the aircraft type, a Sikorsky S-76C with registration number 5N – BDG – 760540 which was involved in the incident.

Culled from Nigerian Tribune.


Lalastica take note!