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shadeyinka:
It is either deliberately you shut down your faculties or you didn't read a thing. You obviously don't read the quran neither do you understand a thing there. If you do, let's discuss

You said:

This means, no words of Mohammed nor Jinn nor Angel nor man is in the Quran. All in the Qur'an was spoken by Allah

I showed you in plain English words other than words of Allah and with a wave of hands without answering the question you repeated your recitation instead of point by point showing how I am wrong.

Oya,
Sura1:1-7 who was speaking here?
vs2. Who is the one ascribing praise to Allah? Mohammed, Jubril or one of the Caliphs

vs5. Who is the one worshiping Allah here?

vs6. I believe only a mortal or a jinn need fear the punishment that comes from going astray or what do you think? Is the Almighty Allah afraid of doing wrong to Himself?

vs6. Since God cannot go on a wrong path, who does this aya refer to?

vs7. Who is the THOU in ayat7?
Or the Thee an Thine in vs5

In case you need a jog

in simple English those are the world of God teaching his slaves how to asked him, and clearly you are not one of them that's why he don't give you the job. So Bye

OLAADEGBU:
Read this article for enlightenment.

So From what I read above, when Jesus is on earth their is God in the heaven's. And you believed God is One, Then who is Jesus, some Christians used to say Jesus was God too.

shadeyinka:
I have answered this before on this thread.


Do you know the Quran at all? You are only following hearsay! Let me give you just one example you've read almost everyday of your life without thinking or asking questions..the Al Fathia (maybe because its in Arabic..you don't understand)



Let me leave vs1 alone since its a common opening for almost all suras of the Quran

vs2. Who is the one ascribing praise to Allah? Mohammed, Jubril or one of the Caliphs

vs5. Who is the one worshiping Allah here?

vs6. I believe only a mortal or a jinn need fear the punishment that comes from going astray or what do you think? Is the Almighty Allah afraid of doing wrong to Himself?

vs6. Since God cannot go on a wrong path, who does this aya refer to?

vs7. Who is the THOU in ayat7?
Or the Thee an Thine in vs5


You think everybody is ignorant of the Quran just because its written in Arabic?

The Quran is only the words of Allah indeed!
Answer the Questions and tell me if the Quran is the pure words of Allah or what you've believed over years without question.


Let me quote another sura that may suggest that.



Please help me interpret the above. Is Allah worshipping something?

Allah will say: Say and then we know that whatever follows is what Muslims should say and not Allah

How about

Since Allah is present everywhere, who is the person speaking here?



Who was given commandment here? The writer of the Quran?


Have I not proven to you that you don't understand many things because it is hidden in Arabic, a language you don't understand!

Will you now affirmatively say that the Quran is the pure words of Allah? He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones.

You asked a question, but your bias wouldn't allow you to learn

Hello Good evening All the passage above that you mention Are God words revealed to his prophet. I tell you before in Islam God is our teacher everything you see is a direct conversation between a slave and his master, his teaching his prophet and his followers what to say and how to say it. That is one of the reason the prophet don't know how to read and right, what he hear he speak

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OK what i what to know is that is Jesus that some Christians say he is God, is he the one that created everything or not. Are You Christian

shadeyinka:
You know that, that is NOT true.

You want to use different rules for interpreting the Quran and the Bible. If you had read the Al Fathia from the bible, how would you interpret it?


Let me quote another sura that may suggest that.



Allah will say: Say and then we know that whatever follows is what Muslims should say and not Allah

How about

Since Allah is present everywhere, who is the person speaking here?



Who was given commandment here? The writer of the Quran?


Have I not proven to you that you don't understand many things because it is hidden in Arabic, a language you don't understand!

Will you now affirmatively say that the Quran is the pure words of Allah? He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones.

You asked a question, but your bias wouldn't allow you to learn

if God tell you in the Qur'an to Say, he is preparing if time arise but he said the word for you to say

shadeyinka:
You know that, that is NOT true.

You want to use different rules for interpreting the Quran and the Bible. If you had read the Al Fathia from the bible, how would you interpret it?


Let me quote another sura that may suggest that.



Allah will say: Say and then we know that whatever follows is what Muslims should say and not Allah

How about

Since Allah is present everywhere, who is the person speaking here?



Who was given commandment here? The writer of the Quran?


Have I not proven to you that you don't understand many things because it is hidden in Arabic, a language you don't understand!

Will you now affirmatively say that the Quran is the pure words of Allah? He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones.

You asked a question, but your bias wouldn't allow you to learn

its not about that. I for one iam not a scholar about Qur'an I am learning which take process but I will look what you said up then i will try to reply based on what I understand. Qur'an was revealed in a span of 23 years and in my account the messenger did not know how to read or write, what he heard he speak. I just commented about the fathia cause I study the surah and its grammar. And the reasen why i said the bible has some people word on it is that some people like Paul, he is not with jesus, when jesus is around.

shadeyinka:
Of your interpretation is correct, Jesus was claiming
1. To be THE Way (not a way)
2. To be THE Truth (not a truth)
3. To be THE Life (not a life)

And in SINGULAR NOUN:
"I" and not "we"
Jesus spokebof himself and not Moses, Abraham, David etc.

And you must equally accept that Jesus spoke about HIS FATHER! Yet you claim that Jesus is NOT the Son of God.(since the Quran will want us to believe that Jesus was a Son in the Biological sense). You believe He was sent to the lost house of Israel but do cheery picking when it comes to his other words you don't like

correct me if I'm wrong or we're did he said contrary to that.

shadeyinka:
Of your interpretation is correct, Jesus was claiming
1. To be THE Way (not a way)
2. To be THE Truth (not a truth)
3. To be THE Life (not a life)

And in SINGULAR NOUN:
"I" and not "we"
Jesus spokebof himself and not Moses, Abraham, David etc.

And you must equally accept that Jesus spoke about HIS FATHER! Yet you claim that Jesus is NOT the Son of God.(since the Quran will want us to believe that Jesus was a Son in the Biological sense). You believe He was sent to the lost house of Israel but do cheery picking when it comes to his other words you don't like

Which word did you bring of Jesus himself that I don't accept. Bro Father in the sence that you call God father, And Son of God in the sence that david so call Son of God. And Jesus did not speak English or Greek and word uses to change meaning if translated into two different language So I believed in what ever Jesus said as true "if" he said it.

shadeyinka:
Jesus is
the Way
the Truth
the Life

NO ONE GETs to the FATHER except through HIM!




What does "no one" mean?

it mean "no one" as a no one at his time when he is sent but its like their is a passage in the bible that Jesus said he only come for the lost sheep of Israel. At the time of Moses NO ONE will go to the father unless through him David, Solomon, Zachariah, Jonah and all the messengers you most obey them and followed them to achieved true success.

shadeyinka:
I didn't ask about what you believe but for you to read a text of the quran and answer questions based on it.

You unfortunately make the same mistake with the Qur'an. Christians worship ONE GOD, the creator and sustainer of everything with NO partner or coequal. Christians do not worship God , Jesus and Mary as the Quran puts it.

You evaded the discus on the AlFathia completely. The question was not on whether God need worshippers or not the question is about WHO!!?!!

The Qur'an is a Narrative from Allah (the pure words of Allah), so who Spoke/Dictated the Al Fathia? Was it Allah, Mohammed, Jubril or one of the Caliphs?

Al Fathia is a beautiful prayer BUT, if it is a prayer, by whom and to who?

So, please answer the question.

And its a prayer, teach by God to his servant simple

shadeyinka:
I didn't ask about what you believe but for you to read a text of the quran and answer questions based on it.

You unfortunately make the same mistake with the Qur'an. Christians worship ONE GOD, the creator and sustainer of everything with NO partner or coequal. Christians do not worship God , Jesus and Mary as the Quran puts it.

You evaded the discus on the AlFathia completely. The question was not on whether God need worshippers or not the question is about WHO!!?!!

The Qur'an is a Narrative from Allah (the pure words of Allah), so who Spoke/Dictated the Al Fathia? Was it Allah, Mohammed, Jubril or one of the Caliphs?

Al Fathia is a beautiful prayer BUT, if it is a prayer, by whom and to who?

So, please answer the question.

I was writing then something came up but I complete it I told you God is teaching us how to make a decent prayer and asked the right and the most important thing, that matters not to waste our time in asking irrelevant things.

[quote author=mukhtara446 post=60118499]So let me start by Saying, To Us Muslims God is our everything, teacher, helper, deity of worship our guider to mention a few So V2 Praise and gratitude belongs to God ∆ I don't think I have to tell you noun don't need a doer that's the uniqueness of the word. God don't need your praised, He is Praised Already. He don't need his messenger, Gabriel or anyone to declared his praised or to give him gratitude. God as our teacher he is teaching us to be humble and the right way to asked him. And in the surah God is teaching his creation how to humble themselves and prepare them mentally and spiritual to asked him daily for the most important thing in this life to be guided to his path not to go astray. If not the most merciful who will teach you how to asked him and reward you for that. We asked for his guide everyday so that to keep on track. that's what you are missing its not what you think, in some other places God used to Say. Say God is One. Say iam seeking refuge from the lord of mankind. If you can asked this questions and claim to know the Qur'an I'm sorry man you don't have a clue.

shadeyinka:
Do you know the Quran at all? You are only following hearsay! Let me give you just one example you've read almost everyday of your life without thinking or asking questions..the Al Fathia (maybe because its in Arabic..you don't understand)



Let me leave vs1 alone since its a common opening for almost all suras of the Quran

vs2. Who is the one ascribing praise to Allah? Mohammed, Jubril or one of the Caliphs

vs5. Who is the one worshiping Allah here?

vs6. I believe only a mortal or a jinn need fear the punishment that comes from going astray or what do you think? Is the Almighty Allah afraid of doing wrong to Himself?

vs6. Since God cannot go on a wrong path, who does this aya refer to?

vs7. Who is the THOU in ayat7?
Or the Thee an Thine in vs5


You think everybody is ignorant of the Quran just because its written in Arabic?

The Quran is only the words of Allah indeed!
Answer the Questions and tell me if the Quran is the pure words of Allah or what you've believed over years without question.

So let me start by Saying, To Us Muslims God is our everything, teacher, helper, our guider to mention a few So V2 Praise and gratitude belongs to God ∆ I don't think I have to tell you noun don't need a doer that's the uniqueness of the word. God don't need your praised, He is Praised Already. He don't need Muhammad, Gabriel or anyone to declared his praised or to give him gratitude. God as our teacher he is teaching us to be humble.

shadeyinka:
Please read a few verses above and below, you'll understand that it was Jesus speaking to John. It was a message to the seven churches in Asia.

See the continuation:

Revelation 1:17


Let me indulge you with one more


John14:8-9

The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; that explained everything to you. Jesus is their on a mission if you want to go to the father you must followed Jesus, God has authority over everything.

shadeyinka:
Does the Quran contain other words than that of Allah?

No Qur'an contain Only God Words, we have a different book that contain the word of the messengers and another one for his companions and their disciples.

Ken4Christ:
You response is out of context. I am emphasizing that God punishes disobedience and there are infallible proofs to support it. Do you agree?

Yeah God punished those that disobeyed his commandments. Tell me your essence of life and how do you worship your creator. And back it up with prove were God tell you

Ken4Christ:
But there are proofs that Jesus was worshipped in the Bible. God even commanded Angels to worship him.

Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

That depend on whom you believed to be the firstbegotten into the world. In My account its Adam after God created him,and breathe spirit into him and told him knowledge he said to the Angels bow down to him, they all did as a sing of respect not worship. Only God deserve to be worship

adjoviomole:
And who is the creator?

The Almighty Mosh High The supreme and the Absolute deity Of worship whom everything and everyone need him, while he is not in need of anything or anyone cause he created it. The Most mercifully the most generous,the owner of the day of judgements, whom him alone we supposed to enslaved our selves too And whom he alone we supposed to asked for help, caused no one and nothing can "help" us or "harm" us without his permission. The one who know was behind us and was ahead of us, your only true protector. Whom guide the heart of his creation to an everlasting happiness. He has no image that you may think of, And their is nothing like him that you may think of, the one that beautify this world with everything you see in it to differentiate whom among his creation are GOOD IN ACTION. The examiner over his creation on the test and tasked he present to them everyday, anytime. The Only deity worthy of worshiped nothing and no one has ever seen him because he design this life for a reason, The Most Powerful the Most knowledgeable, All things belonged to Him. THAT IS THE CREATOR

shadeyinka:
What do you mean by that!
Haven't you read the Taurat? Whose words were recorded.

Rev1:8

that might be the speech of the lord because it's say "I" And that isn't Jesus it's the Almighty lord of the heavens and earth below

adjoviomole:
Who alone have the power to create?

The Creators Alone has the power to create.

shadeyinka:
Let the Bible answer that for you

1. Colossians 1:13- ( Speaking of Jesus)


2. John1:1- (Speaking of Jesus)



Maybe you can first digest these two.

Any other Question? I'll be glad to answer you

All what you mentioned are some people speaking about Jesus don't you have word that jesus speak about himself

Ken4Christ:
I guess it is the same Bible we make reference to.

Please explain the Scripture verses to us below;

Hebrews 1:1-3.

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.

Colossians 1:13-15.
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: note

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD, the firstborn of every creature:


John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?


1st Timothy 3:16. And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

There are many more witnesses testifying to the fact that Jesus is the manifestation of God in the flesh. The sense cannot comprehend it so it tries to disprove it even with clear witnesses.

It is just like the sense trying to comprehend how God can be everywhere. It doesn't make sense, you just accept it by faith.

How can Jesus be God and still have a God and we say there is one God. The physical senses cannot handle it but it is true.

I know that instead of analyzing the scriptures above, you will come up with the one that appears to support your position on the subject. This is spiritual fraud. You should be able to explain every Scripture that is connected to the subject in discussion.

So, please tell analyze each of the verses above in context.

I will try to do that, but correct me if iam wrong. In my point of view the Bible content 3 kind of speeches, the Word of God, the word of Jesus, And the word of someone. All in one and I only believe in the word of God in the Bible and word of Jesus in what they said by themselves. Any third party word, I have to analysis it cause he have his opinion I have mine in the way of understanding and God did not sent him for me. In John 14:9 what I will said is that "he was asked for the way to the father, Then he give his respond. Which I believed in, at the time of Jesus he was the only way to the father for the lost sheep of Israel they have no any other way to reach the father until they followed Jesus. And from that verse you will see he did not claimed to be God, if his disciples are asking him for the way to God. Since from the beginning he will declared himself As God and they will followed him as such. Since that's what brought him .

Ken4Christ:
God has revealed himself not only as a God of love but as a God of judgment. His love is immeasurable and his judgment is dreadful.

He punishes disobedience and he warns everyone to repent and embrace the gospel otherwise you will face his wrath.

The book of Revelation says;

Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

My Man God is Almighty the creator, Jesus was his messenger sent to his creation to show them how to reconnect to their creator and nothing else " Jesus said, himself can do nothing what he hear he judge and he summited not to his will but to the will of his father. Be like Jesus summit yourself to your creator and follow his commandment and fight your inner Battle between your desire and command. Peace

Ken4Christ:
Yes, there is only one God who is invisible and Jesus is the physical manifestation of the invisible God. This is the mystery of godliness the natural man cannot comprehend. If you want to see God, look at Jesus. The fullness of Godhead dwells in him bodily. He who has seen Jesus has seen God, the father.

then where can we see him or did you think that picture is really Jesus. you can't even handle seeing the Sun you talking about seeing his creator. Moses can't handle the sight of God. There is and will forever be One true creator that everything comes from him,whom need nothing and everything is in need of him, he has none in second and he did not share his Glory. He is Almighty the rule of nature don't apply to him. Jesus can't Be God(deity worthy of worship) caused he prove himself to be week.

Ken4Christ:
The natural man cannot understand the things of the spirit of God. I will not waste my time with you. I only pray for you to repent before you land in the very hell you don't believe in where your founder has been spotted in terrible pains and agonies.

what kind of a god would punish me because of what natural man can't understand, he didn't make it natural, he did not say he is god when he came, he pray to someone for assistant when he need it with his head on the ground in total submission and cry out for help. he pray in the temple, And its like Jesus said he came for the lost sheep of Israel only

Ken4Christ:
A JW spotted. Even if I give you proofs that Jesus is God manifestation in the flesh, you will not believe.

you can try me. how is he god in the flesh, when at the time when about to be hang he shouted "father father , why did you abandoned me.

Ken4Christ:
The Father is God and Jesus is the Son of God. You can't separate the Father from the Son. He made the world through Jesus. The things of God cannot be comprehended with the natural mind. You must be born again to grasp them fully.

So from what you are saying God made the world through Jesus, that means their is God before Jesus. And Jesus and God are separate name's not one. Or iam wrong

OLAADEGBU:
Yes, Jesus is the creator of all things (heaven and earth).

then who is his father that he used to mentioned

OLAADEGBU:
Before I answer your question, have you got any objection to the OP?

Yes first he said the Bible the only word of the living god that's why I need to asked the question

YorubaMuslims:
No

are you Christian

Question please. I am Muslim I want to known what Christians believe from a Christian, please is Jesus the creator of heaven's and earth's

Question please. I am Muslim I want to known what Christians believe from a Christian, please is Jesus the creator of heaven's and earth's