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In the next 15 years the North will look back and regret what they brought upon themselves.

When an intellectual with unbiased mind speaks, it is very evident.

You are one of such.

tctrills:
That's your opinion. But the example I presented perfectly fits the situation. The people of Syria have suffered for close to 15 years. Their lives have been hell. I understand why a kind hearted American president will choose peace even if the president of Syria isn't his first choice.
But then rather than only criticizing, let's listen to your alternative solution. How should Trump handle Syria and it's president?
Should he increase the sanctions, go to war or find a way to peace?

Peace is all we want. Al-Sharaa has chosen the right course.

Islam is a Cancer to the world.

The Syrian President has decided to pursue peace he deserves accolades.

Even Putin had meeting with him some weeks back.

EDGEof2MORO:
lol.

The next step is to make him surrender Syrian land for greater Israel project.

The country has no standing military so they can not refuse. If he turns to China and Iran for military resources, western media will call him all the fancy names from their terrorist playbook.

When it comes to global politics, U.S.A is just too dexterous. Once you start barking at them they place you under engagement.

Iran has been engaged with Israel
Russia is now engaged with Ukraine
China might soon be engaged with Japan

While the U.S.A sleeps in peace and roams around like a Bull dog

When it comes to specialized and high quality technological innovations Japan is way ahead of China.

China is only more recognized technologically because it gets involved in manufacture of everything possible even substandard products for 3rd world countries
But for high end Technological inventions like Robotics, Japan is their Father.

Japan has been doing some out-of-the-world military innovation in the past 3 decades. They are cooking something.

Facts
1. The Jews were in the land before the Arabs came after the Jews were conquered by Romans

2. Amongst all the empires that have taken control, the Jews have stayed longer on the Land. They have lived on the land for close to 3000 years.

Onlinetutor7:
Now you have agreed to the fact that the Jews were the ones in the Land before the Romans conquered them and that Arabs only came in centuries later.

You can only argue right to the land between the Romans and Arabs.

The Jews is way before both.

Now you have agreed to the fact that the Jews were the ones in the Land before the Romans conquered them and that Arabs only came in centuries later.

You can only argue right to the land between the Romans and Arabs.

The Jews is way before both.

DeepSight:
Romans conquered the Jews in the First Century C.E?

As long as Gazans see Hamas as their military "as said by the Hamas spokeman on NL" and not as a terrorist group then Gazans deserve whatsoever befalls them, when their neighbors respond to terror attacks from their military.

I had a little pity for them, but now I feel they should suffer same fate since they don't see Hamas as a terror group but "their military"

You only succeeded in stating that Gazans are in full support of Hamas and their atrocities as captured in their Oct 7 celebration of you say they are their Military and not a terrorist group

Let them partake of the consequences of October 7. It's a War and there is no Love in War.

DeepSight:
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Look at your post, you say Hamas was not "Palestinian Military" - LOL - as if any formal Palestinian Military was EVER allowed!
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Romans conquered the Jews in 1st century C.E.

The Arabs took over in 6th Century C.E. After almost 400 years

Ottoman empire also had their era of countrol, before it finally fell to Britain.

Every historical book about that land always talks about the Roman empire and it's espionage. Arabs came in after the Romans.
These are Facts.

Go and study the individual history of this empires you will see when each took control of the land and who they met there.

DeepSight:
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No, Romans do not. They have not dwelt there for 1, 300 years, never.

Romans conquered the Jews in 1st century C.E.

The Arabs took over in 6th Century C.E. After almost 400 years

Ottoman empire also had their era of country, before it finally fell to Britain.

Every historical book about that land always talks the Roman empire and it's espionage. Arabs came in after the Romans.
These are Facts.

DeepSight:
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No, Romans do not. They have not dwelt there for 1, 300 years, never.

Oct 7, proved that Hamas was a terrorist group and not Palestinian Military as they cared not about the catastrophe they were bringing on Palestines.

Gazans were shielding Hamas because they taught Hamas had a profitable objective but now they will have the option to purge them out and live in peace with their neighbors.

DeepSight:
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You have to understand what you are saying. Do you mean the civilians population and the military population (Hamas) should have been separated and if so, just tell me how exactly. Because it is impossible when you are talking about an occupied space where the occupier does not allow military installations of the occupied people.

Arabs took over after the Roman conquest.

The Jews were the ones conquered by Romans before Arabs ever taught of taking over the land.

Romans have more claim on the land than even Arabs, let alone comparing Arabs and Jews

DeepSight:
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Of course.

So do the Arabs - 1, 300 years about! They are also indigenous there.

Civilians are bound to die in war. The number of civilians who celebrated October 7, is far beyond number of civilians who have lost their lifes and they did so because they are being used as human shields by Hamas. Hamas caused their death

DeepSight:
ALL GAZANS?

I am sure you saw two million people celebrating right? Which camera captured the celebration of two million people?

As per the history -

https://www.nairaland.com/8503521/gaza-city-razed-hamas-does/7#136560185

https://www.nairaland.com/8503521/gaza-city-razed-hamas-does/8#136638178

Go through these.

You will also find the responses of Unbiased1 there which he deserves credit for.

No matter what, never celebrate the murder of civilians. I do not celebrate the murder by Hamas of civilians either.
We should just be frank and admit that one thing leads to another.

You make it sound as though Israel was a quiet nation not forcefully occupying the Palestinians and not seizing lands on the West Bank and not killing hundreds there and suddenly, one Hamas came from the moon and attacked them on October 7.

That is just wrong.

Anyone who is objective knows that both sides have done wrong things, the minute you say its only one side, you are not objective.

‎The Jews have a upper hand in their claim to the land over Arabs.
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‎Beside Arab and Jews are both ancient races.
‎Arabs are occupying over 20 countries but just 1 tiny country being set as the home of Jews becomes a problem.

DeepSight:
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Of course.

So do the Arabs - 1, 300 years about! They are also indigenous there.

Jews were there before, just as surely as Canaanites where there before Jews - and Jews slaughtered them and took over!

You cant be one sided. Thats why I said, just start from 70 years, if you want to go back in history, I will show you where we broke it down, myself and a pro-Israeli poster. Its waaaaaaay deeper.

I sha hope you are not one of those who will claim history and end by saying it is the promised land given by God to Jews.

Over the past decade there have been attacks on Israel from Hamas and Israels response have been mild and specific to avoid escalation
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‎October 7, was an insult beyond measure
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‎We saw our Palestinians were rejoicing on the Street.
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‎Israel had to respond in the manner they did, to crush the spirit of the Palestinians so that next time they won't dare
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‎Such celebration is a moral booster for Hamas
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‎Gazans messed up in celebrating Oct 7

DeepSight:
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You are still implicating all civilians - some two million people!

Secondly saying that they are a human shied is absurd.

Israel does not permit any military base in Gaza.

Therefore where do you expect Hamas to be? On the moon?

Of course they will be within the population, where else would they be?

And so long as they are there, Israel will make the excuse that the civilians are being used as a human shield.

Tell me where on Earth Hamas is expected to be, even when the ENTIRE population is surrounded by Israel and not permitted to go in or out?

It is an absurd excuse.

Also you are still wrong when you think this is a special different war that started on October 7.

Nope, it is one and the same so called war (but really occupation) which has been going on for decades even before Hamas existed.

The Jews have a longer history on the land that goes beyond 70 years

DeepSight:
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I have replied. I said the occupation of the last 70 years.

What is going on in Gaza is a War. There must be civilian casualties in a war. Most especially when the civilians are acting as a human shield because they have same ideology as the terrorist group.

DeepSight:
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In the context of this thread which is talking about civilians then you are saying the entire civilian population are legitimate targets for the IDF to kill. Thats the direct implication of what you are saying.

Oct 7 remains the cause of the current War. Gazans have been shielding and celebrated the atrocities of Hamas on Oct 7, the War is a collateral damage and a lesson for all Gazans.

DeepSight:
Look what you wrote earlier.

Yes, they did. They perpetuated and celebrated Oct 7

DeepSight:
Look what you wrote earlier.

You said the current War did not start with October 7, I said it did.

If you can give the pre-october 7 account of this current war (History) I will debate you on it

DeepSight:
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You said Gazans brought it on themselves.

You did not say Hamas oh.

You said Gazans - in short ALL Palestinians living in Gaza.

Prove that with your so called knowledge of history.

quote my response to you on the October 7 being the cause of the recent onslaught.

DeepSight:
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You said Gazans brought it on themselves.

You did not say Hamas oh.

You said Gazans - in short ALL Palestinians living in Gaza.

Prove that with your so called knowledge of history.

You guys will be shouting history, if I decide to debate you now on the history you will still run.

89green:
Go and sleep if you don't understand the history abeg.

Hamas upgraded their onslaught on October 7, and Israel have responded in kind.

For the past decade Israel's response have been mild and specific, but October brought the beast out.

October 7 remains cause of the the current War

DeepSight:
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This is balanced.

Only thing I will add which people still ignore is that this never began on October 7.

But cheers, very well balanced post.

What is happening in Gaza is a war.

gawu1:
I wonder how you would describe the Israeli genocidal apartheid action in Gaza if a fraction of it were happening here. You want the violence happening in Nigeria, perpetrated by a group of criminal terrorists and bandits, to be labeled genocide just to target certain individuals you dislike, even though those individuals are not involved. Yet, you refuse to acknowledge the clear genocide taking place in Gaza simply because of your disdain for the victims involved.

You are not vast.
Go and study Historical and Global Politics

Flangelo12:


I don't indulge in local talk.

No vex.

America will always support the Jewish state of Israel because of the influence the Jews have in America corridors of power.

The Jews do not need to repay America in petty stuff like you are trying to insinuate.

America is the one indepted to the Jews.

Flangelo12:
You don't know anything.

Is NY not filled with Jews?

What happened last week?

I'm talking of Jewish influence you are talking of a state.

Go and study the activities of the Jews in America and in Europe in the 18th century.

The Jews call the shot in America as such every American govt have always danced to their tune.

Flangelo12:
This one doesn't know anything.

Before 1945, wetin concern US with Israel?

You don't even understand what I mean by look into the Senate chamber.
Look into the chamber itself, not people.

Just do, you will get a clue to the Jewish power in America.

Flangelo12:
Midterms are coming.

You'll see how many would retain their seat.

You are underestimating the power of the restless.

Imagine losing 85 generals. Iran really suffered

Flows001:
This same Iran wey Israeli Jets use their skies do training, or E get another one somewhere?